Ball of Incineration M2 vs. Ball of Lava A3

QQ-Fatman · 03-08-2006, 01:00 PM

BoL A3 does about 15% more damage than BoI M2, but costs 25% more mana. Would you upgrade your BoL to A3 or keep using BoI M2?

Worrick · 03-08-2006, 01:58 PM

As a warlock I use my Master 2 Null Distortion over Void Distortion Adept 3. The adept 3 has a tiny damage increase over master 2, but the damage to power ratio is betetr on the master 2, and also master 2s are harder to resist then adept 3s. For some reason the upgrade scalign in T7 was less then previous tiers.

Admh · 03-08-2006, 05:45 PM

its about +500maximum and +300 minimum difference

Ashfire · 03-08-2006, 07:07 PM

Doesn't the damage cap at a certain point of int when grey'd out allowing the upgrade to raise in damage with a higher tier? Because I mean, Ice comet has been grey.. and even though with the additional int gained with a higher int cap for gaining levels again, it still doesn't budge.

Which would mean using an adept III over the previous master II at say 600 int vs say 440 to about 500 int would make it worth it. Although, currently at 476 int at level 65, I"m still using old spells till I turn them all into adept III's or better. The slight damage increase with increase power cost and major hit in resistiblity vs adept I's just to scribe it suck. Except for Fortify. Augmentation was an adept III and to adept I was still a pretty good increase and worth while using because it's just that, a one cast till you die buff.

Message Edited by Ashfire39 on 03-08-200606:12 AM

blynchehaun · 03-08-2006, 07:11 PM

I always assumed (nothing to back that up) that a lower level spell was more easily resisted than a higher level spell.

Time to break out those T1 spells and try them on some Strifewings..... SMILEY

Admh · 03-08-2006, 07:37 PM

I'm slightly over 510int and i'm well beyond the int cap, however, the damage doesn't increase unless you have focus relic pants that **ONLY** increases it by 50pts.

Banditman · 03-08-2006, 07:37 PM

Not sure if it helps you, but as a Mystic my L34 spell Umbral Trap Adept 3 (from Bloodlines Chronicles) lands just fine on T7 mobs.I don't believe that spell level matters, I think it's the spell casting skill plus the resist mod versus the mobs resistances that sums up the calculations.

IllusiveThoughts · 03-08-2006, 08:33 PM

M2 boi = 277x max

adp3 bol = 315x (i believe)

for a measily 400 point cap increase and a 200 point base increase IT IS CRAP if you took it as a m2 option.

If you only had boi as a adp3 option ball of lava is almost a 1K point upgrade. If we follow the same progression from adp3 to m1 as ball of incineration was ball of lava m1 should be about 3550

and if there was a m2 option it would be 3650

so the real issue is those of us at m2 wont see much of an upgrade to adp3 ball of lava. solution = hold out, save a bajillion plat & pray for a m1.

Nightwo|f · 03-08-2006, 08:33 PM

yea I don't understand why the damage spells don't scale like Fortify does (adept1 fortify being better than m1 augmentation). I'm still using BoI M2, until I get a master of BoL at some point or something.

QQ-Fatman · 03-08-2006, 11:47 PM

Usually a spell upgrade (after 14 levels) gives +50% damage than the previous one (if at the same rank.) However, BoI -> BoL is only a +33% upgrade for some unknown reason.

IllusiveThoughts · 03-09-2006, 12:21 AM

QQFatman wrote:
Usually a spell upgrade (after 14 levels) gives +50% damage than the previous one (if at the same rank.) However, BoI -> BoL is only a +33% upgrade for some unknown reason.

True but the increase in % doesn't seem to be constant, the increase in dmg from the upgrade line seems to be close to a set amount.

23 ball of fire adp3 494-918

37 ball of flames 846-1572

51 ball of incineration 1267-2354

65 ball of lava 1700ish to 3150ish

23-37 = 70% increase in max dmg

37-51 = 50% increase

51-65 = 30% increase

BUT

23-37 = 654 extra max dmg

37-51 = 782 extra max dmg

51-65 = 796 extra max dmg.

looks to me based off the max increase in dmg the spell at adp3 should do about 100 more points max.

curtlewis · 03-09-2006, 05:43 AM

The damage increase is nearly linear.THIS IS A KEY PROBLEM DEVS!This is one reason why wizards start to slip in overall DPS in relation to other classes as they get higher in levels.While our spells do more damage than before, it's a progressively smaller and smaller percentage. Built in nerfs!

jeesh8 · 03-10-2006, 08:43 PM

just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg!

IllusiveThoughts · 03-10-2006, 08:47 PM

jeesh800 wrote:just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg!

grats.

just let me trot on down to the nerest master store and pick one up. oh....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I cant SMILEY

Cecil_Stri · 03-11-2006, 09:54 PM

IllusiveThoughts wrote:
jeesh800 wrote:just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg!
grats.
just let me trot on down to the nerest master store and pick one up. oh....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I cant

well on the plus side for you... it seems to be a fairly common drop as far as masters go... seen 3 already

Ashtu · 03-12-2006, 02:48 AM

This isn't the only spell like that. Voice of the Tyrant AD3 gives only 5 more int/str than Hand of the Tyrant M2. A spell that comes 14 levels later! I think the scaling is really messed up.

electricninjasex · 03-14-2006, 06:58 PM

IllusiveThoughts wrote:
jeesh800 wrote:just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg!
grats.
just let me trot on down to the nerest master store and pick one up. oh....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I cant

That's right...chances are, some n00b looted it and has got you by the balls.

03-08-2006, 07:37 PM	#7
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Not sure if it helps you, but as a Mystic my L34 spell Umbral Trap Adept 3 (from Bloodlines Chronicles) lands just fine on T7 mobs.I don't believe that spell level matters, I think it's the spell casting skill plus the resist mod versus the mobs resistances that sums up the calculations. __________________

03-08-2006, 08:33 PM	#8
IllusiveThoughts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,311	M2 boi = 277x max adp3 bol = 315x (i believe) for a measily 400 point cap increase and a 200 point base increase IT IS CRAP if you took it as a m2 option. If you only had boi as a adp3 option ball of lava is almost a 1K point upgrade. If we follow the same progression from adp3 to m1 as ball of incineration was ball of lava m1 should be about 3550 and if there was a m2 option it would be 3650 so the real issue is those of us at m2 wont see much of an upgrade to adp3 ball of lava. solution = hold out, save a bajillion plat & pray for a m1. __________________ The wizards creed: __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ you will die, you will die often, you will die for no reason, you will die for a reason, you will die because soe wants you to die, did I mention you will die? Start getting used to it.

03-09-2006, 12:21 AM	#11
IllusiveThoughts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,311	QQFatman wrote: Usually a spell upgrade (after 14 levels) gives +50% damage than the previous one (if at the same rank.) However, BoI -> BoL is only a +33% upgrade for some unknown reason. True but the increase in % doesn't seem to be constant, the increase in dmg from the upgrade line seems to be close to a set amount. 23 ball of fire adp3 494-918 37 ball of flames 846-1572 51 ball of incineration 1267-2354 65 ball of lava 1700ish to 3150ish 23-37 = 70% increase in max dmg 37-51 = 50% increase 51-65 = 30% increase BUT 23-37 = 654 extra max dmg 37-51 = 782 extra max dmg 51-65 = 796 extra max dmg. looks to me based off the max increase in dmg the spell at adp3 should do about 100 more points max. __________________ The wizards creed: __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ you will die, you will die often, you will die for no reason, you will die for a reason, you will die because soe wants you to die, did I mention you will die? Start getting used to it.

03-10-2006, 08:47 PM	#14
IllusiveThoughts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,311	jeesh800 wrote:just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg! grats. just let me trot on down to the nerest master store and pick one up. oh....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I cant __________________ The wizards creed: __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ you will die, you will die often, you will die for no reason, you will die for a reason, you will die because soe wants you to die, did I mention you will die? Start getting used to it.

03-11-2006, 09:54 PM	#15
Cecil_Stri General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 312	IllusiveThoughts wrote: jeesh800 wrote:just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg! grats. just let me trot on down to the nerest master store and pick one up. oh....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I cant well on the plus side for you... it seems to be a fairly common drop as far as masters go... seen 3 already

03-08-2006, 01:00 PM	#1
QQ-Fatman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 538	BoL A3 does about 15% more damage than BoI M2, but costs 25% more mana. Would you upgrade your BoL to A3 or keep using BoI M2?

03-08-2006, 01:58 PM	#2
Worrick Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 138	As a warlock I use my Master 2 Null Distortion over Void Distortion Adept 3. The adept 3 has a tiny damage increase over master 2, but the damage to power ratio is betetr on the master 2, and also master 2s are harder to resist then adept 3s. For some reason the upgrade scalign in T7 was less then previous tiers.

03-08-2006, 05:45 PM	#3
Admh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	its about +500maximum and +300 minimum difference

03-08-2006, 07:07 PM	#4
Ashfire Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16	Doesn't the damage cap at a certain point of int when grey'd out allowing the upgrade to raise in damage with a higher tier? Because I mean, Ice comet has been grey.. and even though with the additional int gained with a higher int cap for gaining levels again, it still doesn't budge. Which would mean using an adept III over the previous master II at say 600 int vs say 440 to about 500 int would make it worth it. Although, currently at 476 int at level 65, I"m still using old spells till I turn them all into adept III's or better. The slight damage increase with increase power cost and major hit in resistiblity vs adept I's just to scribe it suck. Except for Fortify. Augmentation was an adept III and to adept I was still a pretty good increase and worth while using because it's just that, a one cast till you die buff. Message Edited by Ashfire39 on 03-08-200606:12 AM

03-08-2006, 07:11 PM	#5
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	I always assumed (nothing to back that up) that a lower level spell was more easily resisted than a higher level spell. Time to break out those T1 spells and try them on some Strifewings.....

03-08-2006, 08:33 PM	#9
Nightwo\|f Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 172	yea I don't understand why the damage spells don't scale like Fortify does (adept1 fortify being better than m1 augmentation). I'm still using BoI M2, until I get a master of BoL at some point or something.

03-08-2006, 11:47 PM	#10
QQ-Fatman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 538	Usually a spell upgrade (after 14 levels) gives +50% damage than the previous one (if at the same rank.) However, BoI -> BoL is only a +33% upgrade for some unknown reason.

03-09-2006, 05:43 AM	#12
curtlewis Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 246	The damage increase is nearly linear.THIS IS A KEY PROBLEM DEVS!This is one reason why wizards start to slip in overall DPS in relation to other classes as they get higher in levels.While our spells do more damage than before, it's a progressively smaller and smaller percentage. Built in nerfs!

03-10-2006, 08:43 PM	#13
jeesh8 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 9	just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg!

03-12-2006, 02:48 AM	#16
Ashtu Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 196	This isn't the only spell like that. Voice of the Tyrant AD3 gives only 5 more int/str than Hand of the Tyrant M2. A spell that comes 14 levels later! I think the scaling is really messed up.

03-14-2006, 06:58 PM	#17
electricninjasex Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 413	IllusiveThoughts wrote: jeesh800 wrote:just get a Master I Ball of Lava like me =)3754 dmg! grats. just let me trot on down to the nerest master store and pick one up. oh....[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]....I cant That's right...chances are, some n00b looted it and has got you by the balls.