Is a wizard worth trying out?

Miymar · 02-14-2006, 12:24 AM

My hubby and I have some friends' coming into EQ 2 and we are rolling up some new toons to run around w/ them. I would love to try out a wizard (or warlock) but it seems that both classes have some issues w/ DPS, spell recast times, etc. Would either class be beneficial to a group?

To add alittle more to group make up here, we have a berserker as the MT and plenty of healing back up. Just need some DPS to round out the group. Would like to get the wizard communities input please and thanks for your time.

IllusiveThoughts · 02-14-2006, 12:29 AM

Miymarie wrote:
My hubby and I have some friends' coming into EQ 2 and we are rolling up some new toons to run around w/ them. I would love to try out a wizard (or warlock) but it seems that both classes have some issues w/ DPS, spell recast times, etc. Would either class be beneficial to a group?

To add alittle more to group make up here, we have a berserker as the MT and plenty of healing back up. Just need some DPS to round out the group. Would like to get the wizard communities input please and thanks for your time.

if you plan on staying sub lvl 50's for some time wizard will get you nice dps(compared to other classes). The end game wizard is horribly out of balance against other teir 1 and teir 2 dps classes.

if you want straigt dps then you will want to go mele, with either ranger or assasin, if you want to stay in the mage community then a conj or necro would be your 2nd choice.

Granted the wizard is supposed to be t1 dps, but I wouldn't roll a wizard now knowing what the end game is like, and I wouldn't hope that soe fixes you by the time you reach 60 (or 70)

This post is not a rant, but it really is the current state of sorcerors, wizards and warlocks.

Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 02-13-200611:31 AM

Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 02-13-200611:32 AM

Ri · 02-14-2006, 02:03 AM

If you plan on doing a team play you might want to go with a Warlock, they have a bit less in dps but have a few more stuns and crowd control then wizards. Also I have noticed Warlocks don't burn through mana quite as fast. Casting speed is probably the biggest issue with both the classes when considering them aginst what some rogues like rangers can do.

blazeproph · 02-14-2006, 02:27 AM

Riya wrote:
If you plan on doing a team play you might want to go with a Warlock, they have a bit less in dps but have a few more stuns and crowd control then wizards. Also I have noticed Warlocks don't burn through mana quite as fast. Casting speed is probably the biggest issue with both the classes when considering them aginst what some rogues like rangers can do.

and see i would think the oppsite because warlocks are heavy aoe that i can tell(just started one too). Aoe are not very group friendly for the most part. While wizards are very single target heavy. Now with the new hate debuff i dont tend to get agro as often anymore.

lol i forgot what i started this reply for heck ya wizards are a blast to play. The only down side to them is the paper thin armor. where a stiff brezze would kill ya.

Message Edited by blazeprophet on 02-13-200603:29 PM

Poochymama · 02-14-2006, 02:50 AM

Miymarie wrote:
My hubby and I have some friends' coming into EQ 2 and we are rolling up some new toons to run around w/ them. I would love to try out a wizard (or warlock) but it seems that both classes have some issues w/ DPS, spell recast times, etc. Would either class be beneficial to a group?

To add alittle more to group make up here, we have a berserker as the MT and plenty of healing back up. Just need some DPS to round out the group. Would like to get the wizard communities input please and thanks for your time.

If you wan't the best DPS go Ranger or Assasin as the have a 40-50% lead in DPS over Wizards.

If you really wan't a caster then go Conjuror or Necro and you'll get some awesome utility spells while still doing 30-40% more DPS then Wizards.

Zmobie · 02-15-2006, 04:26 AM

I play mainly in groups, and rarely in raids (so far). I love my Wizard.The people I mainly hear whining about how bad Wizard DPS is are from raiders. If you don't plan on raiding, no real reason to listen to them.I think wizards are a blast to play. I have a great time soloing. I have a great time in teams. Perhaps my DPS will show on paper as below a scout's DPS... but really, it's not noticable. We help burn things down quickly, and do very well at it.So, yes, it's worth trying out. You may find the long cast times annoying (I do).. but you may also relish the giant chunk of the health bar you see dissapear when you land a nice Ice Comet.Personally, that's what I think of when I think Wizard: big, slow, massive damage spells. And that's just what I got.--Tusk

Kablammo1961 · 02-17-2006, 08:29 AM

NO

well if you are going to level over 50 and / or raid

If you are going to solo, or just play with friends mostly, it doesnt really matter. We are very good at soloing.

I am afraid, it is alot like buying an expensive foreign car. If you have to ask, trust me you cannot afford it, you are not going to enjoy it. If you simply must, then (like me) go for it. Make the most of it. If you are going to compare yourself to others, its like planning to create a "supermodel" and starting with a Don Rickles prototype.

I have a terrible addiction to gnome wizards. I watched Warlocks womp us in DPS. They started to nerf them, but didnt really in the end. Warlock > Wizard

In addition to that, Rangers and scouts in general have made us look ridiculous. Scouts > Wizards

We are a strange class at the highest levels. Our main claim to fame is and should be DPS. Which we do not do on the top tier even. The complaints are valid in that concern.

I play my wizard very frequently, and raid often. It is humbling to look at relative damage, so I finally just stopped Parsing and try to have fun.

DISCLAIMER: SOE has done a pretty fair job of addressing imbalances. It aint perfect but they try. It looks like Scouts are about to get a serious downgrade, and Wizards just might be a bit better. KoS will tell the tale

Sir Kablammo Suddendeath

Level 60 Gnome

Nomads / Blackburrow

Admh · 02-17-2006, 08:35 AM

Yes.. I'm a raiding wizard.. and lovin it SMILEY

blynchehaun · 02-17-2006, 10:01 AM

I'm having a lot of fun with my 57 wiz.Don't ignore the whiners. Just take'em with a fistfull of salt. SMILEY

Cuki_ · 02-17-2006, 12:58 PM

Sigh....

Wiz is a great class imo... No we aren't top dps and we all know so stop whining about it! You say warlocks own wizards, well yes against a encounter with several enimies they can do more dps, but thats what they do! It's the whole idea with the warlock, they have massive aoe dps!

But against single mobs wizzies own warlocks... I've grouped with a warlock and temp (temp didn't even tried to do dps SMILEY ) but against single heroic mobs (triple up) I did more dps EVERY time... did like 2-3k more overall dmg every fight agasint single heroic mobs!

And the raid part aint that bad either, a wiz in my guild is very often in top3 on the parser and sometimes #1 on parser over rangers, conj/necro, asassians! Sometimes im up there too but thats not that much, she must be doing something better than me heh!

And we can solo very good... I can even take out some mobs sk's can't and they solo pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well!

Overall I love my wiz... Well this is just how I see it!

Cuki, 60 Wizard

Ethereal Legacy

Message Edited by Cuki_55 on 02-16-200611:59 PM

UnderToad · 02-17-2006, 06:41 PM

To be honest the best class to choose is the one which you prefer to play, end of story. Wizards do have issues with high end dps at the moment but I wouldn't pay too much attention to that as SoEs nerf swings are pretty much constant and across the board so having them influence your class decision now would not be a good idea.If you want big nukes, go for a wiz. If you want big group nukes go for a warlock. If you like sustained dps and range attacks, have a look at rangers and assassins, etc etc etc.At the end of the day the best class for you is the one you enjoy playing. E.g. I have a 60 wiz but have had a ball playing my fury alt, it's simply more fun for me.

Message Edited by UnderToad on 02-17-200605:42 AM

mill94 · 02-18-2006, 12:03 AM

wizards are the worst played class in teh game.Parse a group before a wizard enters, and parse one after, and wizard dps will show up far more noticabley then just parsing total direct spell dmg.

NVSnip · 02-18-2006, 03:01 AM

I may be new to the EQ2 scene specifically, but here's what I've learned in my 7 years of MMO gaming now.

Find a class that interests you, and play what you like. More than likely, before you even hit cap level, things will be balanced and rebalanced, nerfed and buffed, back and forth, over and over again. It doesn't matter who can do what, he hits for X damage, he can do better AOE, he does 20.502535~% more damage per year on a full moon with super rare poison flower trinkets...... blah.

Whatever. Find a class that fits your style, and run with it. You know what makes a good class? A player who's excited to be playing it. A person who really puts their heart and soul into being the best "INSERT CLASS HERE", will make their class work for them.

More than likely, by the time you start becoming bored with actually playing the game, and spend more time focusing on crunching numbers and farming DKP for marginal upgrades to your equipment, you will be enjoying the game less and less, REGARDLESS of what class you are playing.

The bottom line? Pick what you like, truely like, and play it to the best of your ability. If you feel connected with your class. You will do well. People will notice. You will get invited back.

Kaelos_ · 02-18-2006, 04:25 AM

I would wait till after lu 20. as of right now, no class is safe and who knows if the class you play now will be the same after lu 20.

NVSnip · 02-18-2006, 05:15 AM

Under that reasoning, why ever make any class, for fear of it being changed somehow next patch? Which, might I add. WILL eventually happen anyways, REGARLDESS of which class you pick, and when you create it. Sheesh. That's just incredibly silly.

Like i said. Things will be balanced and rebala... ah forget it. Someone shoot me.

Message Edited by NVSniper on 02-17-200604:17 PM

Daneel · 02-22-2006, 02:28 AM

Here seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for quite some time...

How do you 'parse' to compare damage output?

Nimington · 02-22-2006, 04:27 AM

Daneel wrote:
Here seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for quite some time...

How do you 'parse' to compare damage output?

Parsing is using a program to read your text log file and collect all the combat information (in non-technical terms). There are serveral programs which accomplish this effect and all use different techniques to determine DPS and other things. A web search for eq2 parsers should yeild some results. There is no best one but some are easier to use or give more 'accurate' information.

BlueS · 02-22-2006, 05:12 AM

Depending on how precise I want the info, I use a couple of different programs to parse. For just a quick glance at who else around me is doing stuff I load up Advanced Combat Tracker, because it parses everything around that is attacking the same mob. This is good for if I want to see how other people not grouped in me are comparing. If I want some decent on the fly sort of data about my group that I can load up quickly I used CombatStats, I have to load people into the group and it gives some decent info when I turn the database on. But if I want VERY indepth info on a battle, I use Advanced Combat Tracker and use some of it's fancy features.Generally the parses I do I keep to myself. I don't tell people I am parsing, and I rarely judge people based on what the parser says. I use it as a tool to better control my DPS, to find good combos that help increase my dps while not burning more mana. Also sometimes I use it as a form of 'agro meter' on very large battles, I just make sure I am #2 on the list, but only by a little (although it's not very precise at this since they can't record taunt, or other hate gain such as from heals, but it helps make sure that the ranger dies before me!).On occasion I use my parser to see if someone is actually playing. A wizard joined a group I was in over the weekend that was just not burning through their blue very fast. So I loaded up the parser and watched the numbers as we continued... they were donig about 40 dps as a level 59 wiz, while I was doing 300+ as a level 57 wiz. I then checked the parser and it said they were only casting three spells, 2 dots and sunstrike... I then realized that they were doing them in the exact same order every time, and that they were auto-following me... Obviously they were using a macro, and were not really paying attention, very uncool.But the most important thing about parsers: They are not a 'fun meter'. A class is as fun as you make it, and if you are trying too hard to be the best and compete you aren't going to have a lot of fun. Know your class, play it well, and that should be good enough. Most people have no need for a parser, and many people have been ruined by them. However, if you are interested in watching the numbers a bit closer, comparing things, and figuring out the BEST combos for every situation, then a parser can be a handy tool.Also remember that parsers don't keep track of the more important aspects of being a good group-mate. Such as being nice, Need before Greed, helpfulness, a positive attitude, paying attention, and so much more. If I have the choice of grouping with someone that is a jerk but has awesome DPS or someone that is fun but isn't that useful, I'll pick the fun person every time.

Nimington · 02-22-2006, 05:31 AM

BlueSun wrote:Also remember that parsers don't keep track of the more important aspects of being a good group-mate. Such as being nice, Need before Greed, helpfulness, a positive attitude, paying attention, and so much more. If I have the choice of grouping with someone that is a jerk but has awesome DPS or someone that is fun but isn't that useful, I'll pick the fun person every time.

ROFLAMO My guild leader is an illusionist who has to afk alot I still make him get in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] group when ever I can over looking at the LFG pool SMILEY

curtlewis · 02-22-2006, 05:50 AM

LU20 does alot about addressing the out of control Ranger damage, but not enough. Rangers will still be able to outdamage wizards consistently time after time. As will the unchanged Assassins. And the unchanged Conjurors (tier 2) and the unchanged Necros (tier 2).There needs to be some pet nerfing and some boosting to Sorceror damage to put the classes where they should be with regards to damage.But should you try out a wizard? Play what class type SOUNDS fun. If you try to chase the DPS Freak of the Week, you'll never be happy.

valkyrja · 02-22-2006, 09:14 AM

My first 3 characters were ones where I was concerned about being useful. It wasn't until I made my Wizard that I began to have fun playing. I wentMysticTroubadorGuardianWizardMystic being 2nd for most fun that I've done. I would highly suggest a wizard for anyone, especially if you will have a regular group and all you need is DPS. When people complain about wizard DPS they are really only complaining about riad DPS, which most people rarely do.

LiquidFusion17 · 02-22-2006, 11:46 AM

mill9469 wrote:wizards are the worst played class in teh game.

I disagree... Im not gonna get into it but I think SOE is ***TRYING*** to fix wizzy class with that Fusion spell, seeing how M1 does 10k dmg to 3 targs in AoE, get a tank to pull a named, get in and do ur dmg.

Yes, Scouts out DPS Sorcerers but w/e The wizzard is still a very good class, With the new Agility AA line it should ***HELP*** improve things abit with cast time and recasting.

And another thing...

If your into dueling at all, and you build your toon righ... You should have no problem beating most classes, including scouts. I duel all the time and I have strats for each class I duel and win 9/10 duels. Its all about how you play it. Some of the spells wizards get are useless against mobs and monsters but work great in duels. Practice makes perfect.

Message Edited by LiquidFusion17 on 02-21-200610:51 PM

blynchehaun · 02-22-2006, 10:48 PM

Liquidfusion:Mill9469 didn't mean that the Wizard *class* was bad, only that it is not played well by the people behind the keyboards.

Klanch · 02-22-2006, 10:59 PM

Consider it an investment. The high end game for wizards is bound to improve. The alternative is to choose currently at the top and prepare for a nerf.

NVSnip · 02-23-2006, 02:39 AM

I'm playing a DE wizard on the new PVP Server, Nagafen... And I LOVE IT. Sure spells get resisted.. they should. They are app1! But I'm already dropping people in just a few shots, it's silly.. I always run around with a guild group on teamspeak together.. and we just destroy people. Tank gets up and taunts people. I drop some nukes, and it's over in seconds.

Wizard is hands down the MOST fun class I've ever played in EQ2 so far. I wouldn't dream of switching.

02-14-2006, 02:27 AM	#4
blazeproph Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	Riya wrote: If you plan on doing a team play you might want to go with a Warlock, they have a bit less in dps but have a few more stuns and crowd control then wizards. Also I have noticed Warlocks don't burn through mana quite as fast. Casting speed is probably the biggest issue with both the classes when considering them aginst what some rogues like rangers can do. and see i would think the oppsite because warlocks are heavy aoe that i can tell(just started one too). Aoe are not very group friendly for the most part. While wizards are very single target heavy. Now with the new hate debuff i dont tend to get agro as often anymore. lol i forgot what i started this reply for heck ya wizards are a blast to play. The only down side to them is the paper thin armor. where a stiff brezze would kill ya. Message Edited by blazeprophet on 02-13-200603:29 PM

02-14-2006, 02:50 AM	#5
Poochymama Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 361	Miymarie wrote: My hubby and I have some friends' coming into EQ 2 and we are rolling up some new toons to run around w/ them. I would love to try out a wizard (or warlock) but it seems that both classes have some issues w/ DPS, spell recast times, etc. Would either class be beneficial to a group? To add alittle more to group make up here, we have a berserker as the MT and plenty of healing back up. Just need some DPS to round out the group. Would like to get the wizard communities input please and thanks for your time. If you wan't the best DPS go Ranger or Assasin as the have a 40-50% lead in DPS over Wizards. If you really wan't a caster then go Conjuror or Necro and you'll get some awesome utility spells while still doing 30-40% more DPS then Wizards. __________________ I like chicken

02-17-2006, 12:58 PM	#10
Cuki_ General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 81	Sigh.... Wiz is a great class imo... No we aren't top dps and we all know so stop whining about it! You say warlocks own wizards, well yes against a encounter with several enimies they can do more dps, but thats what they do! It's the whole idea with the warlock, they have massive aoe dps! But against single mobs wizzies own warlocks... I've grouped with a warlock and temp (temp didn't even tried to do dps ) but against single heroic mobs (triple up) I did more dps EVERY time... did like 2-3k more overall dmg every fight agasint single heroic mobs! And the raid part aint that bad either, a wiz in my guild is very often in top3 on the parser and sometimes #1 on parser over rangers, conj/necro, asassians! Sometimes im up there too but thats not that much, she must be doing something better than me heh! And we can solo very good... I can even take out some mobs sk's can't and they solo pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] well! Overall I love my wiz... Well this is just how I see it! Cuki, 60 Wizard Ethereal Legacy Message Edited by Cuki_55 on 02-16-200611:59 PM

02-22-2006, 04:27 AM	#17
Nimington Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 182	Daneel wrote: Here seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for quite some time... How do you 'parse' to compare damage output? Parsing is using a program to read your text log file and collect all the combat information (in non-technical terms). There are serveral programs which accomplish this effect and all use different techniques to determine DPS and other things. A web search for eq2 parsers should yeild some results. There is no best one but some are easier to use or give more 'accurate' information. __________________ -- Nimington Master of the Obvious. "I am no longer seen as a threat to my self or others... A Fortune Cookie told me so!"

02-22-2006, 05:12 AM	#18
BlueS General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 150	Depending on how precise I want the info, I use a couple of different programs to parse. For just a quick glance at who else around me is doing stuff I load up Advanced Combat Tracker, because it parses everything around that is attacking the same mob. This is good for if I want to see how other people not grouped in me are comparing. If I want some decent on the fly sort of data about my group that I can load up quickly I used CombatStats, I have to load people into the group and it gives some decent info when I turn the database on. But if I want VERY indepth info on a battle, I use Advanced Combat Tracker and use some of it's fancy features.Generally the parses I do I keep to myself. I don't tell people I am parsing, and I rarely judge people based on what the parser says. I use it as a tool to better control my DPS, to find good combos that help increase my dps while not burning more mana. Also sometimes I use it as a form of 'agro meter' on very large battles, I just make sure I am #2 on the list, but only by a little (although it's not very precise at this since they can't record taunt, or other hate gain such as from heals, but it helps make sure that the ranger dies before me!).On occasion I use my parser to see if someone is actually playing. A wizard joined a group I was in over the weekend that was just not burning through their blue very fast. So I loaded up the parser and watched the numbers as we continued... they were donig about 40 dps as a level 59 wiz, while I was doing 300+ as a level 57 wiz. I then checked the parser and it said they were only casting three spells, 2 dots and sunstrike... I then realized that they were doing them in the exact same order every time, and that they were auto-following me... Obviously they were using a macro, and were not really paying attention, very uncool.But the most important thing about parsers: They are not a 'fun meter'. A class is as fun as you make it, and if you are trying too hard to be the best and compete you aren't going to have a lot of fun. Know your class, play it well, and that should be good enough. Most people have no need for a parser, and many people have been ruined by them. However, if you are interested in watching the numbers a bit closer, comparing things, and figuring out the BEST combos for every situation, then a parser can be a handy tool.Also remember that parsers don't keep track of the more important aspects of being a good group-mate. Such as being nice, Need before Greed, helpfulness, a positive attitude, paying attention, and so much more. If I have the choice of grouping with someone that is a jerk but has awesome DPS or someone that is fun but isn't that useful, I'll pick the fun person every time. __________________ Blue Sun aka Kayami Oakwright of Tunare Watch 70 Alchemist of Venekor Server

02-14-2006, 12:24 AM	#1
Miymar Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4	My hubby and I have some friends' coming into EQ 2 and we are rolling up some new toons to run around w/ them. I would love to try out a wizard (or warlock) but it seems that both classes have some issues w/ DPS, spell recast times, etc. Would either class be beneficial to a group? To add alittle more to group make up here, we have a berserker as the MT and plenty of healing back up. Just need some DPS to round out the group. Would like to get the wizard communities input please and thanks for your time.

02-14-2006, 12:29 AM	#2
IllusiveThoughts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,311	Miymarie wrote: My hubby and I have some friends' coming into EQ 2 and we are rolling up some new toons to run around w/ them. I would love to try out a wizard (or warlock) but it seems that both classes have some issues w/ DPS, spell recast times, etc. Would either class be beneficial to a group? To add alittle more to group make up here, we have a berserker as the MT and plenty of healing back up. Just need some DPS to round out the group. Would like to get the wizard communities input please and thanks for your time. if you plan on staying sub lvl 50's for some time wizard will get you nice dps(compared to other classes). The end game wizard is horribly out of balance against other teir 1 and teir 2 dps classes. if you want straigt dps then you will want to go mele, with either ranger or assasin, if you want to stay in the mage community then a conj or necro would be your 2nd choice. Granted the wizard is supposed to be t1 dps, but I wouldn't roll a wizard now knowing what the end game is like, and I wouldn't hope that soe fixes you by the time you reach 60 (or 70) This post is not a rant, but it really is the current state of sorcerors, wizards and warlocks. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 02-13-200611:31 AM Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 02-13-200611:32 AM __________________ The wizards creed: __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ you will die, you will die often, you will die for no reason, you will die for a reason, you will die because soe wants you to die, did I mention you will die? Start getting used to it.

02-14-2006, 02:03 AM	#3
Ri Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 59	If you plan on doing a team play you might want to go with a Warlock, they have a bit less in dps but have a few more stuns and crowd control then wizards. Also I have noticed Warlocks don't burn through mana quite as fast. Casting speed is probably the biggest issue with both the classes when considering them aginst what some rogues like rangers can do.

02-15-2006, 04:26 AM	#6
Zmobie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 271	I play mainly in groups, and rarely in raids (so far). I love my Wizard.The people I mainly hear whining about how bad Wizard DPS is are from raiders. If you don't plan on raiding, no real reason to listen to them.I think wizards are a blast to play. I have a great time soloing. I have a great time in teams. Perhaps my DPS will show on paper as below a scout's DPS... but really, it's not noticable. We help burn things down quickly, and do very well at it.So, yes, it's worth trying out. You may find the long cast times annoying (I do).. but you may also relish the giant chunk of the health bar you see dissapear when you land a nice Ice Comet.Personally, that's what I think of when I think Wizard: big, slow, massive damage spells. And that's just what I got.--Tusk

02-17-2006, 08:29 AM	#7
Kablammo1961 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 36	NO well if you are going to level over 50 and / or raid If you are going to solo, or just play with friends mostly, it doesnt really matter. We are very good at soloing. I am afraid, it is alot like buying an expensive foreign car. If you have to ask, trust me you cannot afford it, you are not going to enjoy it. If you simply must, then (like me) go for it. Make the most of it. If you are going to compare yourself to others, its like planning to create a "supermodel" and starting with a Don Rickles prototype. I have a terrible addiction to gnome wizards. I watched Warlocks womp us in DPS. They started to nerf them, but didnt really in the end. Warlock > Wizard In addition to that, Rangers and scouts in general have made us look ridiculous. Scouts > Wizards We are a strange class at the highest levels. Our main claim to fame is and should be DPS. Which we do not do on the top tier even. The complaints are valid in that concern. I play my wizard very frequently, and raid often. It is humbling to look at relative damage, so I finally just stopped Parsing and try to have fun. DISCLAIMER: SOE has done a pretty fair job of addressing imbalances. It aint perfect but they try. It looks like Scouts are about to get a serious downgrade, and Wizards just might be a bit better. KoS will tell the tale Sir Kablammo Suddendeath Level 60 Gnome Nomads / Blackburrow

02-17-2006, 08:35 AM	#8
Admh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	Yes.. I'm a raiding wizard.. and lovin it

02-17-2006, 10:01 AM	#9
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	I'm having a lot of fun with my 57 wiz.Don't ignore the whiners. Just take'em with a fistfull of salt.

02-17-2006, 06:41 PM	#11
UnderToad Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 120	To be honest the best class to choose is the one which you prefer to play, end of story. Wizards do have issues with high end dps at the moment but I wouldn't pay too much attention to that as SoEs nerf swings are pretty much constant and across the board so having them influence your class decision now would not be a good idea.If you want big nukes, go for a wiz. If you want big group nukes go for a warlock. If you like sustained dps and range attacks, have a look at rangers and assassins, etc etc etc.At the end of the day the best class for you is the one you enjoy playing. E.g. I have a 60 wiz but have had a ball playing my fury alt, it's simply more fun for me. Message Edited by UnderToad on 02-17-200605:42 AM

02-18-2006, 12:03 AM	#12
mill94 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 32	wizards are the worst played class in teh game.Parse a group before a wizard enters, and parse one after, and wizard dps will show up far more noticabley then just parsing total direct spell dmg.

02-18-2006, 03:01 AM	#13
NVSnip Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 36	I may be new to the EQ2 scene specifically, but here's what I've learned in my 7 years of MMO gaming now. Find a class that interests you, and play what you like. More than likely, before you even hit cap level, things will be balanced and rebalanced, nerfed and buffed, back and forth, over and over again. It doesn't matter who can do what, he hits for X damage, he can do better AOE, he does 20.502535~% more damage per year on a full moon with super rare poison flower trinkets...... blah. Whatever. Find a class that fits your style, and run with it. You know what makes a good class? A player who's excited to be playing it. A person who really puts their heart and soul into being the best "INSERT CLASS HERE", will make their class work for them. More than likely, by the time you start becoming bored with actually playing the game, and spend more time focusing on crunching numbers and farming DKP for marginal upgrades to your equipment, you will be enjoying the game less and less, REGARDLESS of what class you are playing. The bottom line? Pick what you like, truely like, and play it to the best of your ability. If you feel connected with your class. You will do well. People will notice. You will get invited back.

02-18-2006, 04:25 AM	#14
Kaelos_ General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 44	I would wait till after lu 20. as of right now, no class is safe and who knows if the class you play now will be the same after lu 20.

02-18-2006, 05:15 AM	#15
NVSnip Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 36	Under that reasoning, why ever make any class, for fear of it being changed somehow next patch? Which, might I add. WILL eventually happen anyways, REGARLDESS of which class you pick, and when you create it. Sheesh. That's just incredibly silly. Like i said. Things will be balanced and rebala... ah forget it. Someone shoot me. Message Edited by NVSniper on 02-17-200604:17 PM

02-22-2006, 02:28 AM	#16
Daneel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Here seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for quite some time... How do you 'parse' to compare damage output?

02-22-2006, 05:31 AM	#19
Nimington Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 182	BlueSun wrote:Also remember that parsers don't keep track of the more important aspects of being a good group-mate. Such as being nice, Need before Greed, helpfulness, a positive attitude, paying attention, and so much more. If I have the choice of grouping with someone that is a jerk but has awesome DPS or someone that is fun but isn't that useful, I'll pick the fun person every time. ROFLAMO My guild leader is an illusionist who has to afk alot I still make him get in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] group when ever I can over looking at the LFG pool __________________ -- Nimington Master of the Obvious. "I am no longer seen as a threat to my self or others... A Fortune Cookie told me so!"

02-22-2006, 05:50 AM	#20
curtlewis Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 246	LU20 does alot about addressing the out of control Ranger damage, but not enough. Rangers will still be able to outdamage wizards consistently time after time. As will the unchanged Assassins. And the unchanged Conjurors (tier 2) and the unchanged Necros (tier 2).There needs to be some pet nerfing and some boosting to Sorceror damage to put the classes where they should be with regards to damage.But should you try out a wizard? Play what class type SOUNDS fun. If you try to chase the DPS Freak of the Week, you'll never be happy.

02-22-2006, 09:14 AM	#21
valkyrja Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 559	My first 3 characters were ones where I was concerned about being useful. It wasn't until I made my Wizard that I began to have fun playing. I wentMysticTroubadorGuardianWizardMystic being 2nd for most fun that I've done. I would highly suggest a wizard for anyone, especially if you will have a regular group and all you need is DPS. When people complain about wizard DPS they are really only complaining about riad DPS, which most people rarely do. __________________

02-22-2006, 11:46 AM	#22
LiquidFusion17 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 79	mill9469 wrote:wizards are the worst played class in teh game. I disagree... Im not gonna get into it but I think SOE is *TRYING* to fix wizzy class with that Fusion spell, seeing how M1 does 10k dmg to 3 targs in AoE, get a tank to pull a named, get in and do ur dmg. Yes, Scouts out DPS Sorcerers but w/e The wizzard is still a very good class, With the new Agility AA line it should *HELP* improve things abit with cast time and recasting. And another thing... If your into dueling at all, and you build your toon righ... You should have no problem beating most classes, including scouts. I duel all the time and I have strats for each class I duel and win 9/10 duels. Its all about how you play it. Some of the spells wizards get are useless against mobs and monsters but work great in duels. Practice makes perfect. Message Edited by LiquidFusion17 on 02-21-200610:51 PM __________________ Kryptyx - Assassin - Blackburrow Backlash - Swashbuckler - The Bazaar - SOLD

02-22-2006, 10:48 PM	#23
blynchehaun Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada (formerly Ireland) Posts: 213	Liquidfusion:Mill9469 didn't mean that the Wizard class was bad, only that it is not played well by the people behind the keyboards.

02-22-2006, 10:59 PM	#24
Klanch Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 89	Consider it an investment. The high end game for wizards is bound to improve. The alternative is to choose currently at the top and prepare for a nerf.

02-23-2006, 02:39 AM	#25
NVSnip Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 36	I'm playing a DE wizard on the new PVP Server, Nagafen... And I LOVE IT. Sure spells get resisted.. they should. They are app1! But I'm already dropping people in just a few shots, it's silly.. I always run around with a guild group on teamspeak together.. and we just destroy people. Tank gets up and taunts people. I drop some nukes, and it's over in seconds. Wizard is hands down the MOST fun class I've ever played in EQ2 so far. I wouldn't dream of switching.