I cry for assistance

therodge · 11-08-2006, 11:32 PM

from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick

im sick of it

less hp

less midgitation

interuptable heals

fair agro managment

crap for damage

satanic crap for aa

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa

now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards

who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be.

so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns

kpoland2 · 11-08-2006, 11:34 PM

Satanic crap? What??

Fatuus · 11-09-2006, 01:13 AM

I tried posting in the EoF forum about this...I've only had people make dumb responses...mainly stupid really...every tank responded..."but you can heal"......sigh.

CycoDelic · 11-09-2006, 01:22 AM

therodge wrote:

from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick

im sick of it

less hp

less midgitation

interuptable heals

fair agro managment

crap for damage

satanic crap for aa

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa

now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards

who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be.

so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns

Mr. Therodge,

While I commend your spirit and zeal in helping the paladin community, as I did that of Phov and many others, I do have one question that begs being asked: What do you feel will be the difference in what has been posted for the last 6 months-to-date (which I am of the opinion developers gather around to laugh at while having their morning coffee at the office... for certainly they have seen what has been said and not cared, as a matter of company policy, to respond to) and what can be provided through the use of the /feedback option that will make the developement team suddenly change policy and decide to respond? Note: while there is some small quip in my question, it is directed towards the developers and not yourself... my question as put to you is sincere.

Themaginator · 11-09-2006, 01:26 AM

paladins are part healers get over it guys =(

therodge · 11-09-2006, 01:40 AM

Well to answer your question i want to for a lack of a better word annoy the devs to death several hundren feedbacks at the same time become encombering and they are forced to read atleast some of them, and as said i dont really expect it to work but i do hope the devs realize that a force of players are truley unhappy and that they might take it into consideration

OrcSlayer96 · 11-09-2006, 01:56 AM

Themaginator wrote:
paladins are part healers get over it guys =(

Under that type of logic, a conjuror can use his pet to do heals via spells, so that means conjurors should be nerfed to below enchanter dps levels as a balance. It's posts like yours that serve only to flame bait the community and get threads banned. If you have not played a paladin to level 70 and experienced raid content, you have no clue what you are talking about.

P.S. This applies to any posters with similar drivel about we can heal so that is justification to ignore bad aa's, buggy spells and missing skills/gear. But wait folks a dev finally tossed on the test boards a fix to the hooluk hat being level 67 after close to 9 months of being level 60.... SMILEY

Fatuus · 11-09-2006, 02:01 AM

Themaginator wrote:
paladins are part healers get over it guys =(

This twit just followed us here to post on our forums to prove to the paladin class that he's an idiot.

Bottom line...we can TANK or HEAL...its almost impossible to do BOTH effectively at the same time due to long casting times and our ability to be interupted AS A TANK so easily. Being a summoner he has no freakin clue.

Wulfborne · 11-09-2006, 02:12 AM

Themaginator wrote:
paladins are part healers get over it guys =(

When other tanks that have HP and mitigation that can be stifled, stunned or interrupted, or they have to pause in their taunts and DPS to acquire it, then maybe we'll "get over it".

Hey, I have a lvl 44 conjuror I've played longer than you've played a paladin. Does this mean I have sufficient knowledge of the class to go and tell all the conjurors on their boards that they're all wrong and X, Y, and Z does NOT need any adjustment/fixing? I think not.

~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Hero of Maj'Dul

Message Edited by Wulfborne on 11-08-2006 01:12 PM

Fatuus · 11-09-2006, 03:07 AM

CycoDelic wrote:

therodge wrote:

from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick

im sick of it

less hp

less midgitation

interuptable heals

fair agro managment

crap for damage

satanic crap for aa

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa

now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards

who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be.

so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns

Mr. Therodge,

While I commend your spirit and zeal in helping the paladin community, as I did that of Phov and many others, I do have one question that begs being asked: What do you feel will be the difference in what has been posted for the last 6 months-to-date (which I am of the opinion developers gather around to laugh at while having their morning coffee at the office... for certainly they have seen what has been said and not cared, as a matter of company policy, to respond to) and what can be provided through the use of the /feedback option that will make the developement team suddenly change policy and decide to respond? Note: while there is some small quip in my question, it is directed towards the developers and not yourself... my question as put to you is sincere.

I do not know about you, but I did post my issue in the EoF forums since what SOE is doing not only affects the paladin class...but several other classes to include the inquistor and brigand classes. Unfortunately less enlighted people like a certain conjuror person who likes to post information about how to play a paladin in the paladin forums is smearing our issues into sounding like whining. I am not whining when I say they are breaking the class, which essentially they are when after EoF comes out there will be no purpose to tanking with one anymore really...except in small group situations.

Heres the link please follow and talk some sense into these people...some of you already have.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=28970

CycoDelic · 11-09-2006, 03:33 AM

Fatuus wrote:

CycoDelic wrote:

therodge wrote:

from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick

im sick of it

less hp

less midgitation

interuptable heals

fair agro managment

crap for damage

satanic crap for aa

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa

now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards

who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be.

so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns

Mr. Therodge,

While I commend your spirit and zeal in helping the paladin community, as I did that of Phov and many others, I do have one question that begs being asked: What do you feel will be the difference in what has been posted for the last 6 months-to-date (which I am of the opinion developers gather around to laugh at while having their morning coffee at the office... for certainly they have seen what has been said and not cared, as a matter of company policy, to respond to) and what can be provided through the use of the /feedback option that will make the developement team suddenly change policy and decide to respond? Note: while there is some small quip in my question, it is directed towards the developers and not yourself... my question as put to you is sincere.

I do not know about you, but I did post my issue in the EoF forums since what SOE is doing not only affects the paladin class...but several other classes to include the inquistor and brigand classes. Unfortunately less enlighted people like a certain conjuror person who likes to post information about how to play a paladin in the paladin forums is smearing our issues into sounding like whining. I am not whining when I say they are breaking the class, which essentially they are when after EoF comes out there will be no purpose to tanking with one anymore really...except in small group situations.

Heres the link please follow and talk some sense into these people...some of you already have.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=28970

Put my 2 cents in mate... surprised I used none of the following words: [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]head [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pecker or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]

Daydeee · 11-09-2006, 05:01 AM

I like numbers, here we go

if we say mob x does 2000dps (parse on Tarinax 2200ish give or take).... I know not alot but hey... given that it takes around 30seconds to land any where decent calcuable stats in terms of heals we run the following...

2000*30 = 60,000 given that fighter y mitigates 15% better than a paladin 9000 damage is saved, for 0pwr and 0effort.

In the same time, and not doing a lot else currently I can off load 4master 1 heals averaging 970hp a pop, and two master 1 wards 1332 a pop giving a grand total 6480 damage recovered. However this was done not in combat ( a pure test I wanted to see how many i could get off in 30secs) and I wasn't using other CA's/Spells which could delay recast and certainly NOT counting interupts for a cost of 962pwr

At 100-1000dps ala grouping level you would wager no one can tell the difference between mit and heals, heals probably would come out on top.

Note the disparity would increase with mob dps....

Eg, 5000dps (hey its number) 15% more mitigation stops 22500damage, while paladin heal has remained static.

Basically put healing does not scale with dps done, mitigation does. Infact the disparity only increases the higher the dps dealt.

So unless gods start pulling our holy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]'s out of the fire based on the greater the effort required, mitigation and healing will never be balanced, one scales the other doesn't

Random 2cp's for you all to munch on, feel free to flame my math as you wish...

Message Edited by Daydeee on 11-08-2006 04:03 PM

Message Edited by Daydeee on 11-08-2006 04:07 PM

Fatuus · 11-09-2006, 06:57 AM

All is lost folks.......they locked down my post because of supposed "name calling"

11-09-2006, 01:13 AM	#3
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	I tried posting in the EoF forum about this...I've only had people make dumb responses...mainly stupid really...every tank responded..."but you can heal"......sigh. __________________

11-09-2006, 01:22 AM	#4
CycoDelic Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 113	therodge wrote: from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick im sick of it less hp less midgitation interuptable heals fair agro managment crap for damage satanic crap for aa [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be. so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns Mr. Therodge, While I commend your spirit and zeal in helping the paladin community, as I did that of Phov and many others, I do have one question that begs being asked: What do you feel will be the difference in what has been posted for the last 6 months-to-date (which I am of the opinion developers gather around to laugh at while having their morning coffee at the office... for certainly they have seen what has been said and not cared, as a matter of company policy, to respond to) and what can be provided through the use of the /feedback option that will make the developement team suddenly change policy and decide to respond? Note: while there is some small quip in my question, it is directed towards the developers and not yourself... my question as put to you is sincere. __________________ Sumgee 90 Paladin

11-09-2006, 01:56 AM	#7
OrcSlayer96 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 794	Themaginator wrote: paladins are part healers get over it guys =( Under that type of logic, a conjuror can use his pet to do heals via spells, so that means conjurors should be nerfed to below enchanter dps levels as a balance. It's posts like yours that serve only to flame bait the community and get threads banned. If you have not played a paladin to level 70 and experienced raid content, you have no clue what you are talking about. P.S. This applies to any posters with similar drivel about we can heal so that is justification to ignore bad aa's, buggy spells and missing skills/gear. But wait folks a dev finally tossed on the test boards a fix to the hooluk hat being level 67 after close to 9 months of being level 60....

11-09-2006, 02:01 AM	#8
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	Themaginator wrote: paladins are part healers get over it guys =( This twit just followed us here to post on our forums to prove to the paladin class that he's an idiot. Bottom line...we can TANK or HEAL...its almost impossible to do BOTH effectively at the same time due to long casting times and our ability to be interupted AS A TANK so easily. Being a summoner he has no freakin clue. __________________

11-09-2006, 02:12 AM	#9
Wulfborne Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 596	Themaginator wrote: paladins are part healers get over it guys =( When other tanks that have HP and mitigation that can be stifled, stunned or interrupted, or they have to pause in their taunts and DPS to acquire it, then maybe we'll "get over it". Hey, I have a lvl 44 conjuror I've played longer than you've played a paladin. Does this mean I have sufficient knowledge of the class to go and tell all the conjurors on their boards that they're all wrong and X, Y, and Z does NOT need any adjustment/fixing? I think not. ~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Hero of Maj'Dul Message Edited by Wulfborne on 11-08-2006 01:12 PM Message Edited by Wulfborne on 11-08-2006 01:12 PM __________________

11-08-2006, 11:32 PM	#1
therodge Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 824	from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick im sick of it less hp less midgitation interuptable heals fair agro managment crap for damage satanic crap for aa [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be. so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns

11-08-2006, 11:34 PM	#2
kpoland2 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1	Satanic crap? What??

11-09-2006, 01:26 AM	#5
Themaginator Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 833	paladins are part healers get over it guys =(

11-09-2006, 01:40 AM	#6
therodge Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 824	Well to answer your question i want to for a lack of a better word annoy the devs to death several hundren feedbacks at the same time become encombering and they are forced to read atleast some of them, and as said i dont really expect it to work but i do hope the devs realize that a force of players are truley unhappy and that they might take it into consideration

11-09-2006, 03:07 AM	#10
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	CycoDelic wrote: therodge wrote: from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick im sick of it less hp less midgitation interuptable heals fair agro managment crap for damage satanic crap for aa [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be. so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns Mr. Therodge, While I commend your spirit and zeal in helping the paladin community, as I did that of Phov and many others, I do have one question that begs being asked: What do you feel will be the difference in what has been posted for the last 6 months-to-date (which I am of the opinion developers gather around to laugh at while having their morning coffee at the office... for certainly they have seen what has been said and not cared, as a matter of company policy, to respond to) and what can be provided through the use of the /feedback option that will make the developement team suddenly change policy and decide to respond? Note: while there is some small quip in my question, it is directed towards the developers and not yourself... my question as put to you is sincere. I do not know about you, but I did post my issue in the EoF forums since what SOE is doing not only affects the paladin class...but several other classes to include the inquistor and brigand classes. Unfortunately less enlighted people like a certain conjuror person who likes to post information about how to play a paladin in the paladin forums is smearing our issues into sounding like whining. I am not whining when I say they are breaking the class, which essentially they are when after EoF comes out there will be no purpose to tanking with one anymore really...except in small group situations. Heres the link please follow and talk some sense into these people...some of you already have. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=28970 __________________

11-09-2006, 03:33 AM	#11
CycoDelic Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 113	Fatuus wrote: CycoDelic wrote: therodge wrote: from what i have been reading paladins are once again being beaten with the crappy aa stick im sick of it less hp less midgitation interuptable heals fair agro managment crap for damage satanic crap for aa [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for EOF aa now i dont want to be uber all i want is equality and as much as this plan may fall through i ask all paladins on the boards who beileve we are not balanced to /feedback on november 14th with whatever concerns you have this way the devs will see it is not a few select disgruntled paladins but a large percentage of unhappy customers, we havent even had a reply from a dev on the issues for paladins or even what they are supposed to be. so please dont bother flaming me for attempting to start an attept at getting change im not gonna argue with you if you think its a good idea join me on teh 14th to feedback our problems and concerns Mr. Therodge, While I commend your spirit and zeal in helping the paladin community, as I did that of Phov and many others, I do have one question that begs being asked: What do you feel will be the difference in what has been posted for the last 6 months-to-date (which I am of the opinion developers gather around to laugh at while having their morning coffee at the office... for certainly they have seen what has been said and not cared, as a matter of company policy, to respond to) and what can be provided through the use of the /feedback option that will make the developement team suddenly change policy and decide to respond? Note: while there is some small quip in my question, it is directed towards the developers and not yourself... my question as put to you is sincere. I do not know about you, but I did post my issue in the EoF forums since what SOE is doing not only affects the paladin class...but several other classes to include the inquistor and brigand classes. Unfortunately less enlighted people like a certain conjuror person who likes to post information about how to play a paladin in the paladin forums is smearing our issues into sounding like whining. I am not whining when I say they are breaking the class, which essentially they are when after EoF comes out there will be no purpose to tanking with one anymore really...except in small group situations. Heres the link please follow and talk some sense into these people...some of you already have. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=echoesoffaydwer&message.id=28970 Put my 2 cents in mate... surprised I used none of the following words: [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]head [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pecker or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] __________________ Sumgee 90 Paladin

11-09-2006, 05:01 AM	#12
Daydeee Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	I like numbers, here we go if we say mob x does 2000dps (parse on Tarinax 2200ish give or take).... I know not alot but hey... given that it takes around 30seconds to land any where decent calcuable stats in terms of heals we run the following... 2000*30 = 60,000 given that fighter y mitigates 15% better than a paladin 9000 damage is saved, for 0pwr and 0effort. In the same time, and not doing a lot else currently I can off load 4master 1 heals averaging 970hp a pop, and two master 1 wards 1332 a pop giving a grand total 6480 damage recovered. However this was done not in combat ( a pure test I wanted to see how many i could get off in 30secs) and I wasn't using other CA's/Spells which could delay recast and certainly NOT counting interupts for a cost of 962pwr At 100-1000dps ala grouping level you would wager no one can tell the difference between mit and heals, heals probably would come out on top. Note the disparity would increase with mob dps.... Eg, 5000dps (hey its number) 15% more mitigation stops 22500damage, while paladin heal has remained static. Basically put healing does not scale with dps done, mitigation does. Infact the disparity only increases the higher the dps dealt. So unless gods start pulling our holy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]'s out of the fire based on the greater the effort required, mitigation and healing will never be balanced, one scales the other doesn't Random 2cp's for you all to munch on, feel free to flame my math as you wish... Message Edited by Daydeee on 11-08-2006 04:03 PM Message Edited by Daydeee on 11-08-2006 04:07 PM __________________ "Never judge a person till you have walked a mile in their Jboots"

11-09-2006, 06:57 AM	#13
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	All is lost folks.......they locked down my post because of supposed "name calling" __________________