Let's talk about Harughur The Deathless

Arraza · 10-27-2006, 07:18 PM

Last week, myself and a fairly random group of guildmembers go to take him out to get some folks updates on Claymore. 12 folks, 3 or 4 healers the remainder were a mix of melee and caster dps.

Had no issues, went in, cleared the tots, pulled him, and without any incident he went down fairly easily.

This week on Wednesday, went in with roughly the same setup, change a few of the names around, but essentially the same setup... and we wipe 6 times getting him no lower than 25%. He charmed people, ae'ed group two to into red even at max distance, and generally wasted us.

So we figured, hell maybe it was the group setup so we went back up there Thursday night. Got wasted again 6 more times. He was charming 3 (THREE) people at a time and still AEing group 2 into the red at max distance.

Now, we as a guild are not uber, but we can do pretty good, and our folks are mastered / a3ed and have better than average to great gear.

What is going on with this mob, I swear he had more HP and did way more damage and was charming multiple people at the same time than he was last week!

Anyone else have any issues?

Fatuus · 10-27-2006, 07:59 PM

Wintermute218 wrote:

Last week, myself and a fairly random group of guildmembers go to take him out to get some folks updates on Claymore. 12 folks, 3 or 4 healers the remainder were a mix of melee and caster dps.

Had no issues, went in, cleared the tots, pulled him, and without any incident he went down fairly easily.

This week on Wednesday, went in with roughly the same setup, change a few of the names around, but essentially the same setup... and we wipe 6 times getting him no lower than 25%. He charmed people, ae'ed group two to into red even at max distance, and generally wasted us.

So we figured, hell maybe it was the group setup so we went back up there Thursday night. Got wasted again 6 more times. He was charming 3 (THREE) people at a time and still AEing group 2 into the red at max distance.

Now, we as a guild are not uber, but we can do pretty good, and our folks are mastered / a3ed and have better than average to great gear.

What is going on with this mob, I swear he had more HP and did way more damage and was charming multiple people at the same time than he was last week!

Anyone else have any issues?

I do not know about the charming 3 people at 1 time. It should be impossible for him to charm that many people at once. He might have mezzed 2 people and charmed 1...but thats not the issue.

We always fight him with a mezzer, and 2 tanks...since he loves dropping charm on the mob he hates the most. Sounds like it was just rough luck...or healers oblivious to curing arcane crap. Also focus on stiffling and stunning as much as possible (hence the mezzer) it helps reduce his charm crap.

Arraza · 10-27-2006, 10:07 PM

Ok, it may have been 2 at a time, I am trying to confirm 3 with the other folks this was at 1:30am, but there were times when we had at least two people (at one point myself and another) charmed. We had a mezzer with us, and that helped us quite a bit but not enough. We did have folks curing arcane as well, but the hit seemed instantaneous, not DoT.

Fatuus wrote:

I do not know about the charming 3 people at 1 time. It should be impossible for him to charm that many people at once. He might have mezzed 2 people and charmed 1...but thats not the issue.

We always fight him with a mezzer, and 2 tanks...since he loves dropping charm on the mob he hates the most. Sounds like it was just rough luck...or healers oblivious to curing arcane crap. Also focus on stiffling and stunning as much as possible (hence the mezzer) it helps reduce his charm crap.

Fatuus · 10-27-2006, 10:48 PM

Wintermute218 wrote:
Ok, it may have been 2 at a time, I am trying to confirm 3 with the other folks this was at 1:30am, but there were times when we had at least two people (at one point myself and another) charmed. We had a mezzer with us, and that helped us quite a bit but not enough. We did have folks curing arcane as well, but the hit seemed instantaneous, not DoT.

Fatuus wrote:

I do not know about the charming 3 people at 1 time. It should be impossible for him to charm that many people at once. He might have mezzed 2 people and charmed 1...but thats not the issue.

We always fight him with a mezzer, and 2 tanks...since he loves dropping charm on the mob he hates the most. Sounds like it was just rough luck...or healers oblivious to curing arcane crap. Also focus on stiffling and stunning as much as possible (hence the mezzer) it helps reduce his charm crap.

Arcane cure was for curing any mezzed players.

Wulfborne · 10-28-2006, 05:30 AM

Wintermute218 wrote:
Ok, it may have been 2 at a time, I am trying to confirm 3 with the other folks this was at 1:30am, but there were times when we had at least two people (at one point myself and another) charmed. We had a mezzer with us, and that helped us quite a bit but not enough. We did have folks curing arcane as well, but the hit seemed instantaneous, not DoT.

I'll take late nights coupled with mucho drinkage for $100, Alex!Pretty sure he's still the same as he has been since the change from long-term respawn contested. Maybe you just had a bugged version if my first statement isn't valid. SMILEY

~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Hero of Maj'Dul

TheManInTheBox · 10-30-2006, 01:49 AM

Killed him 2 days ago for our claymore update and didn't have any problems. He went down like a pansy.. /shrug

TrekkerSnake · 10-30-2006, 09:16 PM

I' ve had to tank him twice in the last two weeks for guildies and I can confirm that when I fought him 2 weeks ago he was charming 2+ played at a time. Then when I fought him last week he was a piece of cake and charmed no one. I've have also herd the same story from others on my server. It's generaly believed that either the mob was bugged some how 2 weeks ago and was fixed of SOE decided to change the mob, then decided it was too hard and changed it back. I've also been told that the way he was 2 weeks ago is the way he fought at the begining of the expantion, but have no personal knolage of this.

Trope lvl 70 Paladin (Guk)

Arraza · 10-31-2006, 12:21 AM

Thanks Trope, I really thought I was going crazy!

BTW, some stealth changes went in on Friday and we took him down 3 times over the weekend for several players needing it.

He was VERY easy, and these were raids consisting of 3 healers and some mixed dps. Not one player charmed. Took him down in a couple of minutes each time. He was definately modified in some way, at least on Befallen.

Message Edited by Wintermute218 on 10-30-2006 11:22 AM

CHIMPNOODLE. · 10-31-2006, 01:49 AM

We round up and burn his Tots down fast....buff up Heat and Cold...then just burn him down. Nice amount of ranged helped. As long as we killed him before the Tots repopped...he charmed/mezzed no one.

Lairdragna · 10-31-2006, 12:00 PM

Killed him saturday prior to going into DT. I tanked him. Was never charmed or mezzed. Maybe I resisted it because my resists are generally in the 6k plus range for all self-buffed, raid buff me and the soar higher. Don't know, whole fight was over before it begun ot seemed.

10-27-2006, 07:59 PM	#2
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	Wintermute218 wrote: Last week, myself and a fairly random group of guildmembers go to take him out to get some folks updates on Claymore. 12 folks, 3 or 4 healers the remainder were a mix of melee and caster dps. Had no issues, went in, cleared the tots, pulled him, and without any incident he went down fairly easily. This week on Wednesday, went in with roughly the same setup, change a few of the names around, but essentially the same setup... and we wipe 6 times getting him no lower than 25%. He charmed people, ae'ed group two to into red even at max distance, and generally wasted us. So we figured, hell maybe it was the group setup so we went back up there Thursday night. Got wasted again 6 more times. He was charming 3 (THREE) people at a time and still AEing group 2 into the red at max distance. Now, we as a guild are not uber, but we can do pretty good, and our folks are mastered / a3ed and have better than average to great gear. What is going on with this mob, I swear he had more HP and did way more damage and was charming multiple people at the same time than he was last week! Anyone else have any issues? I do not know about the charming 3 people at 1 time. It should be impossible for him to charm that many people at once. He might have mezzed 2 people and charmed 1...but thats not the issue. We always fight him with a mezzer, and 2 tanks...since he loves dropping charm on the mob he hates the most. Sounds like it was just rough luck...or healers oblivious to curing arcane crap. Also focus on stiffling and stunning as much as possible (hence the mezzer) it helps reduce his charm crap. __________________

10-27-2006, 10:07 PM	#3
Arraza Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 266	Ok, it may have been 2 at a time, I am trying to confirm 3 with the other folks this was at 1:30am, but there were times when we had at least two people (at one point myself and another) charmed. We had a mezzer with us, and that helped us quite a bit but not enough. We did have folks curing arcane as well, but the hit seemed instantaneous, not DoT. Fatuus wrote: I do not know about the charming 3 people at 1 time. It should be impossible for him to charm that many people at once. He might have mezzed 2 people and charmed 1...but thats not the issue. We always fight him with a mezzer, and 2 tanks...since he loves dropping charm on the mob he hates the most. Sounds like it was just rough luck...or healers oblivious to curing arcane crap. Also focus on stiffling and stunning as much as possible (hence the mezzer) it helps reduce his charm crap.

10-27-2006, 10:48 PM	#4
Fatuus Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 315	Wintermute218 wrote: Ok, it may have been 2 at a time, I am trying to confirm 3 with the other folks this was at 1:30am, but there were times when we had at least two people (at one point myself and another) charmed. We had a mezzer with us, and that helped us quite a bit but not enough. We did have folks curing arcane as well, but the hit seemed instantaneous, not DoT. Fatuus wrote: I do not know about the charming 3 people at 1 time. It should be impossible for him to charm that many people at once. He might have mezzed 2 people and charmed 1...but thats not the issue. We always fight him with a mezzer, and 2 tanks...since he loves dropping charm on the mob he hates the most. Sounds like it was just rough luck...or healers oblivious to curing arcane crap. Also focus on stiffling and stunning as much as possible (hence the mezzer) it helps reduce his charm crap. Arcane cure was for curing any mezzed players. __________________

10-28-2006, 05:30 AM	#5
Wulfborne Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 596	Wintermute218 wrote: Ok, it may have been 2 at a time, I am trying to confirm 3 with the other folks this was at 1:30am, but there were times when we had at least two people (at one point myself and another) charmed. We had a mezzer with us, and that helped us quite a bit but not enough. We did have folks curing arcane as well, but the hit seemed instantaneous, not DoT. I'll take late nights coupled with mucho drinkage for $100, Alex!Pretty sure he's still the same as he has been since the change from long-term respawn contested. Maybe you just had a bugged version if my first statement isn't valid. ~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Hero of Maj'Dul __________________

10-30-2006, 01:49 AM	#6
TheManInTheBox Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 156	Killed him 2 days ago for our claymore update and didn't have any problems. He went down like a pansy.. /shrug __________________

10-27-2006, 07:18 PM	#1
Arraza Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 266	Last week, myself and a fairly random group of guildmembers go to take him out to get some folks updates on Claymore. 12 folks, 3 or 4 healers the remainder were a mix of melee and caster dps. Had no issues, went in, cleared the tots, pulled him, and without any incident he went down fairly easily. This week on Wednesday, went in with roughly the same setup, change a few of the names around, but essentially the same setup... and we wipe 6 times getting him no lower than 25%. He charmed people, ae'ed group two to into red even at max distance, and generally wasted us. So we figured, hell maybe it was the group setup so we went back up there Thursday night. Got wasted again 6 more times. He was charming 3 (THREE) people at a time and still AEing group 2 into the red at max distance. Now, we as a guild are not uber, but we can do pretty good, and our folks are mastered / a3ed and have better than average to great gear. What is going on with this mob, I swear he had more HP and did way more damage and was charming multiple people at the same time than he was last week! Anyone else have any issues?

10-30-2006, 09:16 PM	#7
TrekkerSnake Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 23	I' ve had to tank him twice in the last two weeks for guildies and I can confirm that when I fought him 2 weeks ago he was charming 2+ played at a time. Then when I fought him last week he was a piece of cake and charmed no one. I've have also herd the same story from others on my server. It's generaly believed that either the mob was bugged some how 2 weeks ago and was fixed of SOE decided to change the mob, then decided it was too hard and changed it back. I've also been told that the way he was 2 weeks ago is the way he fought at the begining of the expantion, but have no personal knolage of this. Trope lvl 70 Paladin (Guk)

10-31-2006, 12:21 AM	#8
Arraza Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 266	Thanks Trope, I really thought I was going crazy! BTW, some stealth changes went in on Friday and we took him down 3 times over the weekend for several players needing it. He was VERY easy, and these were raids consisting of 3 healers and some mixed dps. Not one player charmed. Took him down in a couple of minutes each time. He was definately modified in some way, at least on Befallen. Message Edited by Wintermute218 on 10-30-2006 11:22 AM

10-31-2006, 01:49 AM	#9
CHIMPNOODLE. Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 923	We round up and burn his Tots down fast....buff up Heat and Cold...then just burn him down. Nice amount of ranged helped. As long as we killed him before the Tots repopped...he charmed/mezzed no one. __________________

10-31-2006, 12:00 PM	#10
Lairdragna Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 543	Killed him saturday prior to going into DT. I tanked him. Was never charmed or mezzed. Maybe I resisted it because my resists are generally in the 6k plus range for all self-buffed, raid buff me and the soar higher. Don't know, whole fight was over before it begun ot seemed.