GU 27a Response(Not Response to 'GU 27a Changes' Thread)

Hypnotoad · 08-22-2006, 01:49 AM

Thank you. See? How hard is that to type. Lets try that again. Thank you. You all are under my gaze. All type 'thank you'.

Message Edited by Hypnotoad on 08-21-2006 02:50 PM

Knesh · 08-22-2006, 02:57 AM

what?

Anariale · 08-22-2006, 03:22 AM

I want to say thank you also...Thank you, SOE, for reinforcing my decision to switch to Guardian.W

bjkeq2 · 08-22-2006, 03:28 AM

Hypnotoad wrote:
Thank you. See? How hard is that to type. Lets try that again. Thank you. You all are under my gaze. All type 'thank you'.
Message Edited by Hypnotoad on 08-21-2006 02:50 PM

What? Most useless post ever?That's what I thought

Sabrekong · 08-22-2006, 03:34 AM

*Devs add in increased nuke potential with offensive stance, thus making it so that all the Paladins who seem to be so keen in having better "nukes" (even though we only have 4 actual spell nukes that we can use reguarly, 6 if you count Castigate / Consecrate, thus making it kind of point since the other 85% of our offensive skills at CAs) have the bigger nukes they've always dreamed of*

*Paladins response* - Worthless!

*Devs /boggle, /sigh, and walk away*

Well, for once I'm gonna go in favor of the Devs...thank you for making our class' offensive stance alittle more versitle.

Message Edited by Sabrekongol on 08-21-2006 04:35 PM

Anariale · 08-22-2006, 05:37 PM

AFAIK, Skills only affect to-hit rate, not damage done. At least this is what Ive seen and heard from the different mage classes.

Divine spells rarely miss on yellow con targets (you should be close to 100% to-hit rate with your spells).

Thus, +Disruption skill is practically useless aside from the handful of Orange-con boss mobs in game.

Now, if this is a predecessor to changing how the +Skills work, then awesome. However, I think its just a small bone thrown at us.

IMHO, the Devs could have spent that discussion time working on making us better tanks, as this has very little effect on actual play.

Still, if anyone has a link to a better study of Skills vs Damage/To-Hit/Crit rate, please link. Im very interested in reading more.

W

MeridianR · 08-22-2006, 05:48 PM

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Anzak · 08-22-2006, 05:51 PM

This by no means will increase our DPS enough to make a difference. It will reduce fizzles and resists nothing more. So for the 1 in 1000 fizzles that won't happen that has almost no effect on DPS. As for the 1 in 100 that might not get resisted that will have pretty close to the same effect of nothing on DPS.This is exactly as I said in the other thread about this. Nothing more than a weak attempt to say they are addressing our issues. Lets see some real solutions such as the fact that in offsive stance with equal gear we are the lowest DPS fighter class by a fair amount. Or that in offensive stance with equal gear we are 3-4% less mitigation and 5-10% less avoidance that guards. Or how about the fact that our AAs don't line up to allow for a consistant profile. Or the fact that all of our tanking AAs are weak compaired to warrior AAs. These are real issues not essences, not disruption. While the stacking issues being fixed is good it was not a major issue like these other things.

Nevar · 08-22-2006, 06:04 PM

Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Anzak · 08-22-2006, 06:14 PM

Nevarer wrote:
Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Yes our class is good but what makes it stand out in terms of a raid? Nothing...We are sub-par DPS, sub-par utility, and sub-par tanking. Sure we can do more than any other tank class but that just means the things we should be able to do well are reduced. The simple fact is that there is no reason to want a pally as a MT since a guard or zerker will always be better at that role. If you want DPS there are plenty of better classes for that. If you want Utility there are plenty of other classes for that. If you want pledge for your MT or OT an SK can give that and better DPS.I don't want to say we suck because that is not true but in terms of a raid we have bring nothing to the table that another class can not do better. The only thing that is our saving grace is that we can push out decent DPS and still heal for a fair amount so if you combine the two values we are like having an extra half a healer and an extra half DPS. So if you have one slot left and need a bit more healing and a bit more DPS then we are a good option. Other wise not so much.

MeridianR · 08-22-2006, 06:17 PM

Nevarer wrote:
Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are.

Nevar · 08-22-2006, 11:48 PM

MeridianR wrote:

Nevarer wrote:

Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.

Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this.

1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors
2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.

I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..

Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are.

First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is.

As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you?

MeridianR · 08-23-2006, 12:00 AM

Nevarer wrote:

MeridianR wrote:

Nevarer wrote:
Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are.

First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is.

As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you?

Hence why I said, take out the Warrior comparison and we are fine......but people are going to compare us to Warriors for the simple fact that we are both plate wearers, and both fighters. Due to having the fighter designation we are considered tanks, cause that is what fighters do.

Crib92 · 08-23-2006, 12:04 AM

Nevarer wrote:

MeridianR wrote:

Nevarer wrote:

Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.

Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this.

1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors
2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.

I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..

Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are.

First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is.

As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you?

/agree

I wonder if sometimes people just complain because they stayed in a class to long and really want to be a zerker or guard and just don't wanna relevel a new class.

I was tanking Labs last night and our dirge was getting smacked by an AOE. I threw in a group heal or two while tanking to keep my mana battery alive. (Running with 4 healers) That was pretty cool that I could impact the encounter like that or save someone a repair bill at the least.

If you play your Pally like a guard or zerker your going to be dissappointed. You will not measure up, never will. I enjoy tanking when I get the opportunity, but I also enjoy OT or even support tank as long as I get to join in on the fun. Embrace your Palliness Grasshoppers.

Squelch · 08-23-2006, 12:35 AM

I like being, more of less, a jack of all trades. Tank, Cast, Heal, Buff.

ChopStix · 08-23-2006, 12:39 AM

yes i follow suit..

thank you soe for giving a shadow knight even more... and giving a paladin less.....

i rolled a beserker.. and probably wont come back to the paladin unless they make some serious changes and quickly i might add... the paladins dps sux!!! and doesnt come close to an equally equipped beserker... and to add the aa's for a paladin sux compared to a beserkers choices by FAR!

Anzak · 08-23-2006, 12:57 AM

Crib92 wrote:

Nevarer wrote:

MeridianR wrote:

Nevarer wrote:
Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier.

Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are.

First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is.

As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you?

/agree

I wonder if sometimes people just complain because they stayed in a class to long and really want to be a zerker or guard and just don't wanna relevel a new class.

I was tanking Labs last night and our dirge was getting smacked by an AOE. I threw in a group heal or two while tanking to keep my mana battery alive. (Running with 4 healers) That was pretty cool that I could impact the encounter like that or save someone a repair bill at the least.

If you play your Pally like a guard or zerker your going to be dissappointed. You will not measure up, never will. I enjoy tanking when I get the opportunity, but I also enjoy OT or even support tank as long as I get to join in on the fun. Embrace your Palliness Grasshoppers.

Well that is all well and good except for the fact that from day one I made a my pally to be a healing raid tank. While I don't want to tank the same way a guard does I do want to be able to tank on close to equal footing with a slight edge in certain encounters as SOE has stated time and again. I have not seen anything offical saying this is no longer the case. So where is the situational tanking? It doesn't exsist. I don't mind our lower DPS I count that towards the fact that we can heal which off sets the missing DPS. But our healing does not even come close to the additional mitigation and temp buffs warriors have. So my stand is situational tanking where pallies actually have a real advantage against a mob or group of mobs. Or give us the mitigation to be on Par with warriors. Honestly I think the extra mitigation warriors got in their AA line was a huge slap to the face for us. Our base mitigation should be about 50-150 higher to make up for the temp buffs and abilities they have to reduce damage that are much more effective than our heals and ward in tanking situations. This would make us a more stable tank where warriors would have the edge in over all damage if they used their abilities well. But they would have the down side of potental spike damage when one of their temp buffs wore off.

08-22-2006, 03:22 AM	#3
Anariale Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	I want to say thank you also...Thank you, SOE, for reinforcing my decision to switch to Guardian.W __________________ Wyrd, 80 Paladin - ex-Ghosts of War, Permafrost Darton, 70 Guardian (was stolen) Permafrost

08-22-2006, 03:28 AM	#4
bjkeq2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8	Hypnotoad wrote: Thank you. See? How hard is that to type. Lets try that again. Thank you. You all are under my gaze. All type 'thank you'. Message Edited by Hypnotoad on 08-21-2006 02:50 PM What? Most useless post ever?That's what I thought

08-22-2006, 05:37 PM	#6
Anariale Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	AFAIK, Skills only affect to-hit rate, not damage done. At least this is what Ive seen and heard from the different mage classes. Divine spells rarely miss on yellow con targets (you should be close to 100% to-hit rate with your spells). Thus, +Disruption skill is practically useless aside from the handful of Orange-con boss mobs in game. Now, if this is a predecessor to changing how the +Skills work, then awesome. However, I think its just a small bone thrown at us. IMHO, the Devs could have spent that discussion time working on making us better tanks, as this has very little effect on actual play. Still, if anyone has a link to a better study of Skills vs Damage/To-Hit/Crit rate, please link. Im very interested in reading more. W __________________ Wyrd, 80 Paladin - ex-Ghosts of War, Permafrost Darton, 70 Guardian (was stolen) Permafrost

08-22-2006, 05:48 PM	#7
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	I am confused about this thread, so I am just going to post random spam:-- The Family Guy is a great show-- I once ate Calamari, but I didn't like it-- The Yankees own the Red Sox...and it makes it even better with what server I am on-- I can't wait for Hockey season-- Football season this year is going to suck-- The TTS Chat in Ventrillo makes me happy-- My job is boring-- I can't wait to take my car in to fix my flat /sigh-- Tim Hortons' coffee makes me smileKthx __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

08-22-2006, 06:04 PM	#9
Nevar General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 118	Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. __________________

08-22-2006, 01:49 AM	#1
Hypnotoad Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8	Thank you. See? How hard is that to type. Lets try that again. Thank you. You all are under my gaze. All type 'thank you'. Message Edited by Hypnotoad on 08-21-2006 02:50 PM

08-22-2006, 02:57 AM	#2
Knesh Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 215	what? __________________

08-22-2006, 03:34 AM	#5
Sabrekong Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 40	Devs add in increased nuke potential with offensive stance, thus making it so that all the Paladins who seem to be so keen in having better "nukes" (even though we only have 4 actual spell nukes that we can use reguarly, 6 if you count Castigate / Consecrate, thus making it kind of point since the other 85% of our offensive skills at CAs) have the bigger nukes they've always dreamed of Paladins response - Worthless! Devs /boggle, /sigh, and walk away Well, for once I'm gonna go in favor of the Devs...thank you for making our class' offensive stance alittle more versitle. Message Edited by Sabrekongol on 08-21-2006 04:35 PM

08-22-2006, 05:51 PM	#8
Anzak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 548	This by no means will increase our DPS enough to make a difference. It will reduce fizzles and resists nothing more. So for the 1 in 1000 fizzles that won't happen that has almost no effect on DPS. As for the 1 in 100 that might not get resisted that will have pretty close to the same effect of nothing on DPS.This is exactly as I said in the other thread about this. Nothing more than a weak attempt to say they are addressing our issues. Lets see some real solutions such as the fact that in offsive stance with equal gear we are the lowest DPS fighter class by a fair amount. Or that in offensive stance with equal gear we are 3-4% less mitigation and 5-10% less avoidance that guards. Or how about the fact that our AAs don't line up to allow for a consistant profile. Or the fact that all of our tanking AAs are weak compaired to warrior AAs. These are real issues not essences, not disruption. While the stacking issues being fixed is good it was not a major issue like these other things.

08-22-2006, 06:14 PM	#10
Anzak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 548	Nevarer wrote: Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. Yes our class is good but what makes it stand out in terms of a raid? Nothing...We are sub-par DPS, sub-par utility, and sub-par tanking. Sure we can do more than any other tank class but that just means the things we should be able to do well are reduced. The simple fact is that there is no reason to want a pally as a MT since a guard or zerker will always be better at that role. If you want DPS there are plenty of better classes for that. If you want Utility there are plenty of other classes for that. If you want pledge for your MT or OT an SK can give that and better DPS.I don't want to say we suck because that is not true but in terms of a raid we have bring nothing to the table that another class can not do better. The only thing that is our saving grace is that we can push out decent DPS and still heal for a fair amount so if you combine the two values we are like having an extra half a healer and an extra half DPS. So if you have one slot left and need a bit more healing and a bit more DPS then we are a good option. Other wise not so much.

08-22-2006, 06:17 PM	#11
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Nevarer wrote: Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

08-22-2006, 11:48 PM	#12
Nevar General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 118	MeridianR wrote: Nevarer wrote: Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues. Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors 2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance. I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally).. Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are. First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is. As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you? __________________

08-23-2006, 12:00 AM	#13
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Nevarer wrote: MeridianR wrote: Nevarer wrote: Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are. First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is. As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you? Hence why I said, take out the Warrior comparison and we are fine......but people are going to compare us to Warriors for the simple fact that we are both plate wearers, and both fighters. Due to having the fighter designation we are considered tanks, cause that is what fighters do. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

08-23-2006, 12:04 AM	#14
Crib92 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here nor there Posts: 320	Nevarer wrote: MeridianR wrote: Nevarer wrote: Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues. Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors 2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance. I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally).. Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are. First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is. As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you? /agree I wonder if sometimes people just complain because they stayed in a class to long and really want to be a zerker or guard and just don't wanna relevel a new class. I was tanking Labs last night and our dirge was getting smacked by an AOE. I threw in a group heal or two while tanking to keep my mana battery alive. (Running with 4 healers) That was pretty cool that I could impact the encounter like that or save someone a repair bill at the least. If you play your Pally like a guard or zerker your going to be dissappointed. You will not measure up, never will. I enjoy tanking when I get the opportunity, but I also enjoy OT or even support tank as long as I get to join in on the fun. Embrace your Palliness Grasshoppers.

08-23-2006, 12:35 AM	#15
Squelch Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 69	I like being, more of less, a jack of all trades. Tank, Cast, Heal, Buff.

08-23-2006, 12:39 AM	#16
ChopStix Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 263	yes i follow suit.. thank you soe for giving a shadow knight even more... and giving a paladin less..... i rolled a beserker.. and probably wont come back to the paladin unless they make some serious changes and quickly i might add... the paladins dps sux!!! and doesnt come close to an equally equipped beserker... and to add the aa's for a paladin sux compared to a beserkers choices by FAR!

08-23-2006, 12:57 AM	#17
Anzak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 548	Crib92 wrote: Nevarer wrote: MeridianR wrote: Nevarer wrote: Ya know, I think this is kinda funny. I hear so much from so many people how paladins suck...... we dont lol. I think our class is fine, sure our dps maybe subpar but who really cares? Think most of you need to learn how to play and you may learn that our class is good instead of praying that the devs will make you look that much better by boosting the class to make it easier. Personally I can play the class (I think my guildmates would say pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good too), and I am satisfied with what we can do....but the majority of arguments stem from people comparing us to Warriors. Taking out the Warrior comparison and our class is fine. We can tank, we can heal, we can assist...we have our place with no issues.Adding in a comparison to Warriors and the status quo changes.....now there are two ways to look at this. 1) We can be happy with how we are, and not compare ourselves to Warriors2) We can realize the differences between us and Warriors, and take that stance.I am fine with #1 currently because I know my role, and what I excel at. A good player in a subpar class is head and shoulders above a bad player in a good class...others tend to take the stance of #2, because of words that were spoken way back when by MG (that all tanks will be able to do the same equally)..Everyone is entitled to there opinions, some might not be as well informed as others....but some are. First off we arent warriors. With that being said im not understanding why people compare us to warriors? We are paladins incase some of you have forgotten. You dont need to get all butt hurt just cause we arent warriors. Its ok, really it is. As far as doing everything equally, that would be terrible if we could, that would just be crap. I like where we are TBH. And noone has seen our Pally AAs in EoF. We may get more offensive but i dont think we should be able to do much more dmg then we already do. WE ARE FINE! Remember one thing we are not warriors. SO who cares if they do something better then we can do. Last time I checked they cant heal, ward, or rez and you dont hear them screaming for pally utility do you? /agree I wonder if sometimes people just complain because they stayed in a class to long and really want to be a zerker or guard and just don't wanna relevel a new class. I was tanking Labs last night and our dirge was getting smacked by an AOE. I threw in a group heal or two while tanking to keep my mana battery alive. (Running with 4 healers) That was pretty cool that I could impact the encounter like that or save someone a repair bill at the least. If you play your Pally like a guard or zerker your going to be dissappointed. You will not measure up, never will. I enjoy tanking when I get the opportunity, but I also enjoy OT or even support tank as long as I get to join in on the fun. Embrace your Palliness Grasshoppers. Well that is all well and good except for the fact that from day one I made a my pally to be a healing raid tank. While I don't want to tank the same way a guard does I do want to be able to tank on close to equal footing with a slight edge in certain encounters as SOE has stated time and again. I have not seen anything offical saying this is no longer the case. So where is the situational tanking? It doesn't exsist. I don't mind our lower DPS I count that towards the fact that we can heal which off sets the missing DPS. But our healing does not even come close to the additional mitigation and temp buffs warriors have. So my stand is situational tanking where pallies actually have a real advantage against a mob or group of mobs. Or give us the mitigation to be on Par with warriors. Honestly I think the extra mitigation warriors got in their AA line was a huge slap to the face for us. Our base mitigation should be about 50-150 higher to make up for the temp buffs and abilities they have to reduce damage that are much more effective than our heals and ward in tanking situations. This would make us a more stable tank where warriors would have the edge in over all damage if they used their abilities well. But they would have the down side of potental spike damage when one of their temp buffs wore off.