Our Squire is now officially 100% worthless

antwidemela · 03-23-2006, 10:02 PM

- Ancient Pledge will now expire if the ally it was cast on is no longer present. The target must now be another player.

And I thought we were going to get away nerf free this time. Soloing just got a little harder without the self 12.6 defense buff.

Deevaun · 03-23-2006, 10:13 PM

sucks ; ( [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]

Rhianni · 03-23-2006, 11:06 PM

sob

Lord Montague · 03-23-2006, 11:14 PM

And this comes as a surprise? After what happened with the predator hate transfer buff?

Lyrus · 03-23-2006, 11:48 PM

Hit us guardians too. I can no longer use my parry buff that follows the similar line as the paladin one :smileymad:

Wulfborne · 03-24-2006, 04:25 AM

The least they could have done was to make the same changes to the Grant of Armament line, so the Miti-hit we take from that disappears after our target ungroups or dies.

~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Paragon of Truth

LyricDawnhag · 03-24-2006, 04:27 AM

Wulfborne wrote:
The least they could have done was to make the same changes to the Grant of Armament line, so the Miti-hit we take from that disappears after our target ungroups or dies.

~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Paragon of Truth

Sorry, that would be too useful for the players and therefor NOT allowed.

RyFord00 · 03-24-2006, 05:53 AM

Our squire is a fun spell. Nothing more, it was never intended to buff or help us buff. Deal with it.

antwidemela · 03-24-2006, 06:03 AM

Post was not about squires, it was about losing our defensive buff when we solo. Can you deal with that?

Crib92 · 03-24-2006, 08:53 AM

You are all insane. We can still cast amends on the lil [Removed for Content]....aint that enough?

Thehuffermsu · 03-24-2006, 09:03 AM

Crib92 wrote:
You are all insane. We can still cast amends on the lil [Removed for Content]....aint that enough?

hehe you can cast amends on yourself too

RyFord00 · 03-24-2006, 11:59 AM

"Post was not about squires, it was about losing our defensive buff when we solo. Can you deal with that? "

lol Please read your subject text...

Ultim · 03-24-2006, 01:25 PM

yeah i know, that was the best [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] bug pallies ever had, the ability to give ourselves defense by buffing our squire... now i just buff the gazer pet, who has a HELL of a lot of hp SMILEY

but it wasnt a bad tradeoff, we can now ward anyone in a raid outside or inside our grp, thus increasing our worth in the raid circumstance! go pallies SMILEY

dozier · 03-24-2006, 07:10 PM

It's the inconsistency that bugs me. As others have pointed out, any similar ability should behave the same way (Armament line).Also, that's great that we can now ward across raids, but why the hell is there even a distinction for *ANY* spell? A raid is a big group, you should be able to cast any group buff on any raid member. A raid is just a big group made up of smaller ones. Is there any logic to this?

Leawyn · 03-24-2006, 08:27 PM

dozier77 wrote:It's the inconsistency that bugs me. As others have pointed out, any similar ability should behave the same way (Armament line).Also, that's great that we can now ward across raids, but why the hell is there even a distinction for *ANY* spell? A raid is a big group, you should be able to cast any group buff on any raid member. A raid is just a big group made up of smaller ones. Is there any logic to this?

The reason they made group buffs only in your group (and not raid-wide) was so that changing classes in certain groups actually made a difference. No more "Everyone gets the same buffs" like EQ1 with MGB and buffs hitting anyone standing in range, in group or not! Now group make-up matters, and if you need more of some stat/buff/resist, you can switch people in to make that happen.

antwidemela · 03-24-2006, 08:47 PM

"lol Please read your subject text..."

lol In the future you should read the actual post instead of just the subject. SMILEY

dozier · 03-24-2006, 10:16 PM

Leawyn wrote:
dozier77 wrote:It's the inconsistency that bugs me. As others have pointed out, any similar ability should behave the same way (Armament line).Also, that's great that we can now ward across raids, but why the hell is there even a distinction for *ANY* spell? A raid is a big group, you should be able to cast any group buff on any raid member. A raid is just a big group made up of smaller ones. Is there any logic to this?
The reason they made group buffs only in your group (and not raid-wide) was so that changing classes in certain groups actually made a difference. No more "Everyone gets the same buffs" like EQ1 with MGB and buffs hitting anyone standing in range, in group or not! Now group make-up matters, and if you need more of some stat/buff/resist, you can switch people in to make that happen.

I understand this for group AE buffs that effect your entire group, but not for single target buffs.

Kale · 03-24-2006, 10:46 PM

antwidemela wrote:
Post was not about squires, it was about losing our defensive buff when we solo. Can you deal with that?

I don't understand what's so difficult here. It's a squire. It's a fun spell. It wasn't meant to be used this way. Hell, I played up to level 54 (or something like that) without using my squire to solo because I didn't even know you could cast spells on it (since that wasn't its intended purpose I never tried to abuse it), and it never hindered me not having that buff up. I soloed (when I soloed) just fine.I think sometimes, some of you players are just the world's biggest whiners hiding behind a keyboard (it's pathetic to me that you all try and play a noble, righteous Paladin - some of you aren't fit to play farmhands shoveling horse manuer.Do you cry this much outside of EQ2? Or are you worried someone's going to slap some Pampers on your tender be-hind if you do?

Grimme · 03-24-2006, 11:36 PM

When eq2 paladins start to complain about soloing, you know the world is messed up.

Can you still solo just fine? Yes...

Rhianni · 03-25-2006, 12:22 AM

RyFord00 wrote:
Our squire is a fun spell. Nothing more, it was never intended to buff or help us buff. Deal with it.

It also means that if we transfer our mitigation and give ourself def and they leave or die we lose the benefits and still keep the negatives. The squire thing had to be fixed someday but its stupid that they take away the benefit but leave the penalties.

MeridianR · 03-25-2006, 06:55 AM

Did you actually even need to have this buff up to solo? Wow I knew it could be done, but who wanted to waste the time cast the worthless squire and then cast Resolute Faith on it.We solo just fine, we group tank just fine....if people want to complain about things, it should be that some priests out dps us, and we are worthless compared to a Mitigation spec'd Guardian at Main tanking raids.

Rhianni · 03-25-2006, 08:24 PM

MeridianR wrote:Did you actually even need to have this buff up to solo? Wow I knew it could be done, but who wanted to waste the time cast the worthless squire and then cast Resolute Faith on it.We solo just fine, we group tank just fine....if people want to complain about things, it should be that some priests out dps us, and we are worthless compared to a Mitigation spec'd Guardian at Main tanking raids.

1: some people have the ability to be disappointed in more then 1 thing at a time.

2: yes we can still solo without it. Whats your point? How does the arguement that we dont need an ability that is lost remove the disappointment of it being gone?

lover · 03-26-2006, 10:22 PM

A Paladin is a hybrid char - since when do hybrids specialise in main tanking? Not in any game I've ever played. That we CAN at all is a bonus in my book. Can't say I've noticed a vast difference in defence without my faith - but it DID give me a reason to cast my cute KoS pets SMILEY

Now I just look like a dork with a pet =DI'd rather worry about what doesn't work than about things like this that get taken away when they weren't supposed to be there in the first place SMILEY

If we had never had a fun spell pet we would never have known anyway.Loverat's EQ2 Bits (jewellery stats and help files!)

Anariale · 03-26-2006, 11:35 PM

THERE ARE NO HYBRIDS IN EQ2

Ultim · 03-27-2006, 02:10 AM

loverat wrote:A Paladin is a hybrid char - since when do hybrids specialise in main tanking? Not in any game I've ever played. That we CAN at all is a bonus in my book. Can't say I've noticed a vast difference in defence without my faith - but it DID give me a reason to cast my cute KoS pets Now I just look like a dork with a pet =D

Pallys arent really a hybrid... we can heal, but that does not make us healers! We arent the only class other than healers that can heal or rez, we also have spells, but we arent a caster or a healer -- we are a tank class with some additional bonuses...

Pallys can main tank, if you focussed on your stamina/mit/resists as well as getting your taunts to a min of adept 3 then you can do a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good job of tanking--we have the taunts and amends is kickass when used effectivey and we can even ward ourselves--so why then are we unable to maintank if the opportunity arises? we're not as good as guardians at mt'ing, but thats in their class.

MeridianR · 03-27-2006, 11:54 PM

Paladin's are considered a Tank in this game....therefore we are a tank. Not a hybrid, but a tank. As such we should be able to do whatever the other tanks can do, just in different ways.All things being equal (not including AA's) we do that fine. With AA's not in the equation, it's the gear and the group that make the tank. Now with AA's in the equation (even though it wasn't supposed to be) it's gear, group and AA's.

Arraza · 03-28-2006, 12:25 AM

ONWARD PATSY!

Nimington · 03-28-2006, 12:50 AM

What's with all the attention on the squire lately? I mean is your horse getting dirty? Do your boots not shine? Where is he failing in his job? SMILEY

Ok sorry, bit of sarcasm but it strikes me odd that there are multiple posts out of the blue on this lil lackey.

Leawyn · 03-28-2006, 04:13 AM

Crinisen wrote:
What's with all the attention on the squire lately? I mean is your horse getting dirty? Do your boots not shine? Where is he failing in his job?
Ok sorry, bit of sarcasm but it strikes me odd that there are multiple posts out of the blue on this lil lackey.

That's cuz you are a newb, Crin! :smileyvery-happy: But I say that only cuz I lubb0rz you, you goofball.

Nimington · 03-29-2006, 12:59 AM

Leawyn wrote:
That's cuz you are a newb, Crin! :smileyvery-happy: But I say that only cuz I lubb0rz you, you goofball.

Bah that's N00b, sheesh.

03-24-2006, 04:25 AM	#6
Wulfborne Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 596	The least they could have done was to make the same changes to the Grant of Armament line, so the Miti-hit we take from that disappears after our target ungroups or dies. ~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Paragon of Truth __________________

03-24-2006, 04:27 AM	#7
LyricDawnhag General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 34	Wulfborne wrote: The least they could have done was to make the same changes to the Grant of Armament line, so the Miti-hit we take from that disappears after our target ungroups or dies. ~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Paragon of Truth Sorry, that would be too useful for the players and therefor NOT allowed. __________________ Sulmarin - 70 Swashbuckler ++ Rais - 70 Ranger Amora - 71 Fury ++ Sakaki - 70 Mystic Orimi - 70 Necromancer ++ Pfil - 70 Paladin Valsharen - 53 Monk Elvish Impersonators of Befallen

03-24-2006, 09:03 AM	#11
Thehuffermsu Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 14	Crib92 wrote: You are all insane. We can still cast amends on the lil [Removed for Content]....aint that enough? hehe you can cast amends on yourself too __________________ Beghaun lvl 70 paladin AB Eeridale 70 Assassin Beghauns 80 Guardian Eelyne 70 Monk AB

03-24-2006, 01:25 PM	#13
Ultim Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 41	yeah i know, that was the best [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] bug pallies ever had, the ability to give ourselves defense by buffing our squire... now i just buff the gazer pet, who has a HELL of a lot of hp but it wasnt a bad tradeoff, we can now ward anyone in a raid outside or inside our grp, thus increasing our worth in the raid circumstance! go pallies __________________

03-24-2006, 07:10 PM	#14
dozier Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	It's the inconsistency that bugs me. As others have pointed out, any similar ability should behave the same way (Armament line).Also, that's great that we can now ward across raids, but why the hell is there even a distinction for ANY spell? A raid is a big group, you should be able to cast any group buff on any raid member. A raid is just a big group made up of smaller ones. Is there any logic to this? __________________ Rathaniel Ironshield - Lucan D'Lere 62 Barbarian Paladin Gold Dragon of Dragons Trinity

03-23-2006, 10:02 PM	#1
antwidemela Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12	- Ancient Pledge will now expire if the ally it was cast on is no longer present. The target must now be another player. And I thought we were going to get away nerf free this time. Soloing just got a little harder without the self 12.6 defense buff.

03-23-2006, 10:13 PM	#2
Deevaun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	sucks ; ( [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]

03-23-2006, 11:06 PM	#3
Rhianni Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 187	sob

03-23-2006, 11:14 PM	#4
Lord Montague Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 541	And this comes as a surprise? After what happened with the predator hate transfer buff?

03-23-2006, 11:48 PM	#5
Lyrus General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 236	Hit us guardians too. I can no longer use my parry buff that follows the similar line as the paladin one :smileymad:

03-24-2006, 05:53 AM	#8
RyFord00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 70	Our squire is a fun spell. Nothing more, it was never intended to buff or help us buff. Deal with it.

03-24-2006, 06:03 AM	#9
antwidemela Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12	Post was not about squires, it was about losing our defensive buff when we solo. Can you deal with that?

03-24-2006, 08:53 AM	#10
Crib92 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Here nor there Posts: 320	You are all insane. We can still cast amends on the lil [Removed for Content]....aint that enough?

03-24-2006, 11:59 AM	#12
RyFord00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 70	"Post was not about squires, it was about losing our defensive buff when we solo. Can you deal with that? " lol Please read your subject text...

03-24-2006, 08:27 PM	#15
Leawyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,014	dozier77 wrote:It's the inconsistency that bugs me. As others have pointed out, any similar ability should behave the same way (Armament line).Also, that's great that we can now ward across raids, but why the hell is there even a distinction for ANY spell? A raid is a big group, you should be able to cast any group buff on any raid member. A raid is just a big group made up of smaller ones. Is there any logic to this? The reason they made group buffs only in your group (and not raid-wide) was so that changing classes in certain groups actually made a difference. No more "Everyone gets the same buffs" like EQ1 with MGB and buffs hitting anyone standing in range, in group or not! Now group make-up matters, and if you need more of some stat/buff/resist, you can switch people in to make that happen. __________________ Maelani \| Maelya \| Maerie \| Maehymn \| Maewyn \| Maekita \| Maelynne

03-24-2006, 08:47 PM	#16
antwidemela Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12	"lol Please read your subject text..." lol In the future you should read the actual post instead of just the subject.

03-24-2006, 10:16 PM	#17
dozier Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	Leawyn wrote: dozier77 wrote:It's the inconsistency that bugs me. As others have pointed out, any similar ability should behave the same way (Armament line).Also, that's great that we can now ward across raids, but why the hell is there even a distinction for ANY spell? A raid is a big group, you should be able to cast any group buff on any raid member. A raid is just a big group made up of smaller ones. Is there any logic to this? The reason they made group buffs only in your group (and not raid-wide) was so that changing classes in certain groups actually made a difference. No more "Everyone gets the same buffs" like EQ1 with MGB and buffs hitting anyone standing in range, in group or not! Now group make-up matters, and if you need more of some stat/buff/resist, you can switch people in to make that happen. I understand this for group AE buffs that effect your entire group, but not for single target buffs. __________________ Rathaniel Ironshield - Lucan D'Lere 62 Barbarian Paladin Gold Dragon of Dragons Trinity

03-24-2006, 10:46 PM	#18
Kale Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 222	antwidemela wrote: Post was not about squires, it was about losing our defensive buff when we solo. Can you deal with that? I don't understand what's so difficult here. It's a squire. It's a fun spell. It wasn't meant to be used this way. Hell, I played up to level 54 (or something like that) without using my squire to solo because I didn't even know you could cast spells on it (since that wasn't its intended purpose I never tried to abuse it), and it never hindered me not having that buff up. I soloed (when I soloed) just fine.I think sometimes, some of you players are just the world's biggest whiners hiding behind a keyboard (it's pathetic to me that you all try and play a noble, righteous Paladin - some of you aren't fit to play farmhands shoveling horse manuer.Do you cry this much outside of EQ2? Or are you worried someone's going to slap some Pampers on your tender be-hind if you do?

03-24-2006, 11:36 PM	#19
Grimme Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 82	When eq2 paladins start to complain about soloing, you know the world is messed up. Can you still solo just fine? Yes...

03-25-2006, 12:22 AM	#20
Rhianni Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 187	RyFord00 wrote: Our squire is a fun spell. Nothing more, it was never intended to buff or help us buff. Deal with it. It also means that if we transfer our mitigation and give ourself def and they leave or die we lose the benefits and still keep the negatives. The squire thing had to be fixed someday but its stupid that they take away the benefit but leave the penalties.

03-25-2006, 06:55 AM	#21
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Did you actually even need to have this buff up to solo? Wow I knew it could be done, but who wanted to waste the time cast the worthless squire and then cast Resolute Faith on it.We solo just fine, we group tank just fine....if people want to complain about things, it should be that some priests out dps us, and we are worthless compared to a Mitigation spec'd Guardian at Main tanking raids. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

03-25-2006, 08:24 PM	#22
Rhianni Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 187	MeridianR wrote:Did you actually even need to have this buff up to solo? Wow I knew it could be done, but who wanted to waste the time cast the worthless squire and then cast Resolute Faith on it.We solo just fine, we group tank just fine....if people want to complain about things, it should be that some priests out dps us, and we are worthless compared to a Mitigation spec'd Guardian at Main tanking raids. 1: some people have the ability to be disappointed in more then 1 thing at a time. 2: yes we can still solo without it. Whats your point? How does the arguement that we dont need an ability that is lost remove the disappointment of it being gone?

03-26-2006, 10:22 PM	#23
lover General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ballarat, Australia Posts: 46	A Paladin is a hybrid char - since when do hybrids specialise in main tanking? Not in any game I've ever played. That we CAN at all is a bonus in my book. Can't say I've noticed a vast difference in defence without my faith - but it DID give me a reason to cast my cute KoS pets Now I just look like a dork with a pet =DI'd rather worry about what doesn't work than about things like this that get taken away when they weren't supposed to be there in the first place If we had never had a fun spell pet we would never have known anyway.Loverat's EQ2 Bits (jewellery stats and help files!)

03-26-2006, 11:35 PM	#24
Anariale Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	THERE ARE NO HYBRIDS IN EQ2 __________________ Wyrd, 80 Paladin - ex-Ghosts of War, Permafrost Darton, 70 Guardian (was stolen) Permafrost

03-27-2006, 02:10 AM	#25
Ultim Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 41	loverat wrote:A Paladin is a hybrid char - since when do hybrids specialise in main tanking? Not in any game I've ever played. That we CAN at all is a bonus in my book. Can't say I've noticed a vast difference in defence without my faith - but it DID give me a reason to cast my cute KoS pets Now I just look like a dork with a pet =D Pallys arent really a hybrid... we can heal, but that does not make us healers! We arent the only class other than healers that can heal or rez, we also have spells, but we arent a caster or a healer -- we are a tank class with some additional bonuses... Pallys can main tank, if you focussed on your stamina/mit/resists as well as getting your taunts to a min of adept 3 then you can do a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good job of tanking--we have the taunts and amends is kickass when used effectivey and we can even ward ourselves--so why then are we unable to maintank if the opportunity arises? we're not as good as guardians at mt'ing, but thats in their class. __________________

03-27-2006, 11:54 PM	#26
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Paladin's are considered a Tank in this game....therefore we are a tank. Not a hybrid, but a tank. As such we should be able to do whatever the other tanks can do, just in different ways.All things being equal (not including AA's) we do that fine. With AA's not in the equation, it's the gear and the group that make the tank. Now with AA's in the equation (even though it wasn't supposed to be) it's gear, group and AA's. __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

03-28-2006, 12:25 AM	#27
Arraza Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 266	ONWARD PATSY!

03-28-2006, 12:50 AM	#28
Nimington Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 182	What's with all the attention on the squire lately? I mean is your horse getting dirty? Do your boots not shine? Where is he failing in his job? Ok sorry, bit of sarcasm but it strikes me odd that there are multiple posts out of the blue on this lil lackey. __________________ -- Nimington Master of the Obvious. "I am no longer seen as a threat to my self or others... A Fortune Cookie told me so!"

03-28-2006, 04:13 AM	#29
Leawyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,014	Crinisen wrote: What's with all the attention on the squire lately? I mean is your horse getting dirty? Do your boots not shine? Where is he failing in his job? Ok sorry, bit of sarcasm but it strikes me odd that there are multiple posts out of the blue on this lil lackey. That's cuz you are a newb, Crin! :smileyvery-happy: But I say that only cuz I lubb0rz you, you goofball. __________________ Maelani \| Maelya \| Maerie \| Maehymn \| Maewyn \| Maekita \| Maelynne

03-29-2006, 12:59 AM	#30
Nimington Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 182	Leawyn wrote: That's cuz you are a newb, Crin! :smileyvery-happy: But I say that only cuz I lubb0rz you, you goofball. Bah that's N00b, sheesh. __________________ -- Nimington Master of the Obvious. "I am no longer seen as a threat to my self or others... A Fortune Cookie told me so!"