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06-08-2005, 07:56 PM
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If only we could take both choices, but we cannot. Which did you choose, 1h or 2h prismatic? Are you happy with your choice? What conditions would cause you to switch to the other choice? Reasons for 1h: - I use 1h now (SM) when tanking in a group for challenging stuff (ie, not green stuff), so would be used in a group - I use 1h when raiding (more stats, etc) so I would be using my prismatic while raiding - I often do not even have attack on during raids (mostly just chain heal the tank, and res when someone dies), so I would have mana regen that SM doesnt give with attack off - I like how I look with a shield more than using a 2h weapon -Reasons for 2h: - When I solo, I use EBBC when doing easy mobs that are not very dense. I switch to SM when I am having mana issues. With a 2h I would not have to do this - I spend a lot of time solo, doing writs, etc, the 2h would help here - if there ever was a time when I was using 2h on raids, for dps, then this would work great - SM is already a mana regen 1h weapon, perhaps a 2h would be best What is not clear to me is which would be replaced first, a 1h prismatic or a 2h prismatic. I am going to have to make this choice in the next week I think, and I am still torn and undecided. -I |
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06-08-2005, 08:05 PM
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I am torn between this decision too, and i am anticipating having to make the same decision soon. I am thinking i am going to get the 1hander though.
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06-08-2005, 08:11 PM
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Well, I chose the two-hander because, at the time, I very rarely tanked and was on the offensive the majority of the time during battle. But, nowadays I main tank very often and.. would I choose differently if the opportunity presented itself again? I'm not sure. There are very few decent 1H and 2H slashing weapons in the game that are fabled. Prismatic is probably the best item for both those slots. Most Fabled weapons deal crushing damage, unfortunately. So, really, just choose the one you'd use more often.
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06-08-2005, 08:22 PM
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I chose the 2hander for a couple of reasons: 1) More DPS on raids = better for guild 2) There are alot of fairly common Fabled 1 handers that go nicely with Kite Shield of the King, etc.. 3) There are hardly any Fabled 2hand SWORDS 4) The 2hand sword looks way cooler =P
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06-08-2005, 08:58 PM
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I went with the 2 hander, because I already have a SM and 2 fabled one handers, soul harvester (slash) and vulcanic metallic hammer. The stats on the prismatic sword one hander are decent, but theres a bunch fabled one-handers, although the above poster is right in that there are few decent one-hander slashers. In the end though, since the vast majority of Palys are DPS/ Utility in a raid, and since the SM is probably the best one-hander when tanking a raid, I chose the 2 hander prismatic. Better proc and stats than the EBBC. (i keep the EBBC on the wall in my apt) Uzhiel, lvl 50 Paladin, Eternal Chaos, Faydark.
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06-08-2005, 08:59 PM
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im with walnutt, they do look uber
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06-09-2005, 03:33 AM
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Anyone have any pics of the 2h version? I've seen the 1h sword a bunch of times but never the 2h - from what you all say it looks bad [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. |
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06-09-2005, 06:42 PM
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06-09-2005, 08:30 PM
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Hah Hah! Wow. That sword looks HUGE on a dwarf
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06-10-2005, 06:26 AM
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they always look huge on a dwarf, and when we put em away they shrink once they get to our back, otherwise they'd be touching the ground and we couldn't carry em. funny to see
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06-10-2005, 07:10 PM
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LOL ... I'm having visions of a dwarf trying to run into battle with that two-hander, but can not due to the blade being stuck in the ground and the back of the breastplate being caught on the hilt--dwarf running in place while hanging in mid air I'm going for prismatic this weekend and should everything work out well, I'll be carrying the two-hander primarily since I'm working on the screaming mace for a nice 1-handed crushing and I have a pristine imbued ebon long sword for a nice 1-handed slashing weapon. Likewise, I've seen very nice fabled one-handers. I keep switching back and forth from one-handed to two-handed but continue to watch my highest damage hits come from a one-hander (maybe fabled 2-handed will change that). I will also be off tanking a lot with my guild and occasionally main tanking ex4 raids, but could definitely use a great two-hander. I believe 3-4 Paladins are going on the quest from my guild this weekend. This topic of discussion is bound to arise again very soon Copied from my player achievements: Highest Melee Hit: 647 Damage (Pristine Imbued Ebon Long Sword) 783 server rank/12,760 world rank and if wondering - Highest Magic Hit 690 Damage Thanks,
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06-10-2005, 07:55 PM
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I think there has to be a bug with Highest Magic Hit, since both toons I play (L49 Paladin and L42 Fury) have had this as there number for months... The 2h/1h debate is going to come up for me soon as well, and while I am torn on what to use, a 1H Prismatic with a Fabled Kite Shield seems to hard to pass up....but I am not crossing that bridge yet (going to start Speak like a dragon this weekend)
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06-10-2005, 08:06 PM
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Phov, I misspoke in an earlier post. My guild is starting the speak like a dragon portion of the prismatic quest this weekend. We are going to see how far we can advance the quest--likely no where near completion but we are at least starting I have also noted highest melee/magic attack information that looks inconsistent through the levels. Thanks,
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06-13-2005, 06:14 PM
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Without hesitation the 2HS The main advantage of the prismatic is the power regen. When using a one hand weapon, I simply use the screaming mace. It procs a power regen as well. Choosing the 1HS prismatic, you will not have additional power regen in a DPS role which is a shame for a pally. Prian 50 Paladin, Najena
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06-13-2005, 07:06 PM
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The only time I "might" choose the 1hander is if I already had Zalak's kite shield. Even then it would be a tough choice.
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06-13-2005, 07:16 PM
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Well, I went with the 1h sword. It may have been a mistake, but I want to tank, and it just seems like a better weapon for tanking. Additionally, this allows me to get a shield with an effect on it as well. Some part of me still thinks I made a mistake, but ultimately I decided to go with my heart in this, rather than make the 'logical' choice. I do think the mana regen on a screaming mace is more than a prismatic weapon, but this did not stop our guardians from taking the 1h weapon. -I |
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06-13-2005, 10:24 PM
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I will be going after the 2hs ... just personal preference. I am half way done with Screaming Mace so my 1hb will be resolved for now. I still don't have a decent 1hs but am looking around ... the guild is raiding a ton now so I am sure one will come up. And, yes this may sound stupid - what is the SM and where does it drop? Thanks, Rellic Level 49 Pally, Criterion - Faydark |
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06-13-2005, 11:21 PM
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i also plan to go with the 2hs. using SM (screaming mace) whenever i tank mostly for the power proc. i figure the power is better than the dmg when it comes to tanking being more defensive is the way to go if you are gonna give up the dps for a shield to begin with. another reason i dont plan to go 1hs is because SM will work for anything but crush immunes (obviously) and since i wont be the MT on these epic encounters in most cases, the ability to whip out the big-nasty-sword fits nicely.
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06-15-2005, 03:36 PM
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im now comming upto this stage and cannot decide which to choose. For the 2h sword i have the EBBC so i cannot really see any point in getting the prismatic 2h. In the 1h area i will have screaming mace so i will prob go for the 1h prismatic, that will give me both a slash and a crush weapon that i will be able to use in raids
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06-15-2005, 06:17 PM
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I've been debating over which i should get too. I have a Sharlian maul atm, so any situation where i can use that, i would probably pick it over the 2h prismatic. Once i get an ebon cluster, i'll have ebbc, so i'll probably use that for fights like Drayek. If im in dps mode, i usually have GEBS on + manastone + clarity, so power isnt much of an issue. Screaming mace for 1hand crush. Right now im stuck with the bloodfire for one handed, so im really thinking i need to replace that. With the expansion coming out, and combat revamp incoming, im thinking groups arent going to want more than one fighter. So the 1h prismatic would be great for xping up to level 60. But mostly im wondering if the T5 fabled items are going to be inferior to the T6 legendary weapons. Im thinking the T5 fabled are going to be close in comparison, but im not sure which is going to be better. |
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06-21-2005, 08:08 PM
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My 2 handed blunt weapon (Y'Narme, the Cursed Thexian Hammer) is better than Sharlian Maul in every aspect, and I still use my prismatic for every mob that isn't immune to slashing. Keep in mind before I had the prismatic I used this hammer for every mob that wasn't immune to crushing, since it is basically same damage as the EBBC with a shorter delay. Blood Fire is a GREAT weapon for non-raid mobs, and in any raid situation you're going to be using either a 2 handed slasher, 2 handed blunt, or screaming mace and a shield. Eventually replace the Blood Fire with a Soul Harvester (this is basically a crusader/berserker weapon, as guardians almost always get the 1 handed prismatic, and its a fairly "common" master drop) The screaming mace, again, fits this situation, as well as Blood Fire or a fabled 1 hander, although I still think the GOOD xp groups are going to be based around one of each archetype and then 2 other "whatevers" Also, its my experience, so far in splitpaw, that my 2 hander is just fine for soloing... If they follow the current trend, T5 fabled items will be better than T6 legendary items until about level 55, where they'll even out in the case of mitigation, and even then, as seen based on T3 vs T4 vs T5, some of the stats will be better on the lower tier fabled. |
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06-23-2005, 08:47 PM
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In raids, other paladins have been using there 2 hand prismatic, and some of the other ones have been using ebbc. Yet i have been able to out dps them every fight with the sharlian maul. We have comparable gear and have been in the same group makeup. Im usually right up there with the Wizards, Warlocks and bezerkers. Our guild has looted about 3 sharlian mauls, and me and one of the beserkers use it all the time and find ourselves at the top of the dps list. When i have the GEBS, manastone, and clarity on me power isnt an issue. I find myself having to pace my dps because when the mob hits around 25%, I tend to get aggro and die I ended up replacing my blood fire with the 1 hand prismatic, and i think it was the best choice ever. So far while soloing and grouping, i find that i have alot less more problems with the 1 hand prismatic than i did with the screaming mace. Personally i find the screaming mace unreliable while soloing group encounters. I know the prismatic will always give me a constant feed of extra power. It comes down to what you want to do. If you want to tank, The 1 hand prismatic is best hands down, with the screaming mace behind it. With the combat changes coming up, paladins are going to get there chance at tanking. Most likely our dps is going to be tuned down a little bit. I would love to know where "Y'Narme, the Cursed THexian Hammer" drops so i could play around with it. I've never seen it before so im not sure of what it is capable of dishing out.
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06-23-2005, 09:22 PM
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First of all, most raid mobs are immune to one type of damage, so you have to use SOMETHING on those immune to crushing mobs... Second of all, spell rankings, and how you pace your attacks also affects your DPS, obviously if you're doing more damage with a weapon as weak as a sharlian maul than someone with a far superior weapon, something is wrong with that other person. Given a paladin of the same skill rankings using a sharlian maul vs the prismatic greatsword (and both mobs have equal resistance to both types of weapons), the one with the prismatic WILL do more damage, it has a shorter delay, a higher base damage and a higher damage rating, better stat increases, and a better effect, (Archlich is the perfect example mob). I was getting regular hits of 300+ last night on the Archlich with my prismatic greatsword. Third, if your berserker is struggling to stay at the top of the DPS list, something is wrong, I know for a fact that the berserkers I know struggle to make sure they don't steal aggro, and have to throttle their DPS insanely I've only found myself short on power on raids when I'm healing, warding and nuking as they come up, The regen isn't needed, but its nice when you're using all of your abilities. If you're stealing aggro that issue is with your guardian, the abilities you ARE using, or you not holding back enough (and if you have a weapon like the prismatic greatsword, you need to hold back in a lot of situations) I think I said before I replaced Blood Fire with a Soul Harvester, I can outdamage someone using a sharlian maul with it. I never had problems soloing or grouping even without a screaming mace or prismatic. Its a very rare fabled drop in Nek Castle 2.0 off of the hallway mobs. Stats are +11int +12wis +11agi +11str +70health +65power 2.0 delay base damage is 28-83, damage rating 55.1, effect is 9% chance to lower DPS of the opponent by 17-20%. And yes, I've outdamaged a berserker using a sharlian maul with it. Before they nerfed Darathar to let slashing weapons hit him decently, it was my Darathar whacking stick. |
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06-23-2005, 09:25 PM
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i like the 1 handed slasher, reason being is you can farm the CL epic and easily get everyone who wants one a royal great flail, arent to many 2 handed slashers out there worth a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] but if you have crushing there are very few mobs you cant hit with that, now why not get 1hb ... because there are a ton of fantastic fabled 1hb items out there that blow away the prismatic, and fabled 1hs are few and far between from what ive seen. imo
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06-23-2005, 09:47 PM
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I've seen twice as many fabled 1 handed slashers than 2 handers Just to name a few fabled 1 handed slashers: Ancient Combine Longsword Pristine forged rubicite Scaled Scimitar Soul Harvester Dragon Nail (from Spirits of the Lost) Axe of Misery I don't know about you, but "farming the cl epic to get everyone a royal great flail" is a good idea, but doesn't quite work. The master drop rate for that zone in my experience has been brutal, and of the countless times I've been there, I've seen the flail drop once.
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06-24-2005, 07:18 PM
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I always prefer 1H weapon+shield because: - The cumulative bonus of wearing 2 objects is better than one (2 procs, more stats buff...) - When you miss whith a 1H weapon its less important than when u miss with a 2H weapon because those 1H hit faster and more often (the miss is disolved statisticaly) - 1H weapon hit so much faster that it gives u more proc chances - Having a shield improves what we do the best: tanking
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06-24-2005, 07:29 PM
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- 1H weapon hit so much faster that it gives u more proc chances I believe I have seen a dev post that proc chance is evaluated over a period of time so that weapon delay/haste effects doesn't actually affect the number of times a wep procs ... I could be wrong on that, it's just my recollection of a post from several months ago.
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06-24-2005, 08:50 PM
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Correct, a weapon proc chance is evaluated over a 3-second period in which you make a hit, not every swing. |
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06-24-2005, 11:55 PM
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As an SK, I went with the 2-hander, though at the time it was a very tough choice. One thing to remember about using the 1-hander while main tanking, there's a pretty good number of slash immune raid mobs in the game. There are some I use a slasher for (Borxx, Overlord, Drayek, etc.), however, it seems there are more slash immune mobs than crush immune (at least before they turned Darathar into a [Removed for Content]).
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07-04-2005, 09:03 PM
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It's now come time for me to start thinking about my choice for prismatic blades, and I think I've decided on a 1-hander. There were a few points mentioned here that turned me to that side. Most importantly, the constant power regen versus the Screaming Mace, and the stat bonuses. Also, there's the fact that when I'm raiding, power is almost never an issue, and I don't think that the improvement over EBBC is significant enough to warrant me replacing it right now. Another reason is that I think 1-hand slashing is the last slot that I'll be able to fill adequately. With Screaming Mace as 1-hand crushing, EBBC as 2-hand slashing, and Royal Great Flail as 2-hand Crushing, the best slot for the prismatic is 1-hand slashing I think. Also, a few random things... Has anyone tried taking the scepter? I'm just wondering if paladins can take this and have it work as an adequate crushing weapon. I doubt I'd ever take it, but it could be kind of neat for a casting-oriented paladin. Finally, for those people who were discussing their highest magic hit being listed at 690, I think I have an explanation. Chances are, it's your Manastone that's doing that damage, and they count that as your highest hit, even though it's on yourself. edit: One more thing... I think that when (read: if) the big combat change comes through, paladins will be thrust into a much more defensive role, and will be used a lot more as MT's, so it wouldn't hurt to have a 1-hander for that situation. Message Edited by Khervalin on 07-04-2005 10:13 AM |
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