If you want to be the Class Liaison, Post what you want to see for our Class. - Page 2

Faarwolf · 05-10-2005, 12:23 AM

I don't see why this thread has to become a flame war.

BlackW · 05-10-2005, 05:46 AM

Gage-Mikel wrote:

Oakbrow wrote:

...even the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] monk guy that trolls this forum.

Hey, I resemble that comment!

But anyway. I'm not too sure what SOE has up their sleeve either, but I think whatever they decide will be in the best interest of the community. I personally liked how the correspondents worked in SWG (especially Arjur as jedi correspondent) but its a lot of work. I was pretty good friends with a few of them in SWG and it isn't easy reading all the threads in the forum, trying to find out what is the most pressing needs of your class and presenting that to the devs each month in a way that is reasonable to all your fellow players but also to the devs.

But, in regards to Faar's post, I think its cool that SOE is at least looking at the possibility of talking with some players a little closer about game issues. I mean what better way to see what class "x" is thinking than to talk to some of the people who play the class day in and day out.

The hardest thing would be to find someone open minded enough to not discount opinions that clash with their own.

Regardless, if any sort of system like this comes to fruition, I've seen plenty of Pallys who know their stuff, so I doubt you guys have anything to worry about.

To be honest, I really do not worry that much about changes made in the Paladin from patch to patch by SOE. As far as I can tell, they have not "ruined" the Paladin and I doubt they will. The one exception might be the Holy Nag nerf but I understand why they did that. No class should get a 3.6p tier3 mount for 12s. I am not that worried about what SOE is going to do to the Paladin in the future. We need to remeber that SOE is a for-profit company. Their success depends on keeping their subscribers happy. Running off thousands of Paladin players is not something they want to do. They will constantly tinker with game balance and tweak the game but I do not expect major changes except in the upcoming expansion, if it ever comes.

My prime character was created shortly after release. The game has changed a lot since then, mostly for the better. If offline selling had been around since day1, he would be rich beyond the dreams of avarice. My alt paladin character has already made more coin by lvl 29 than my prime did by 40. One of the main reasons I play EQ2 and not that other MMORPG is SOE knows what they are doing but I have serious doubts about the ability of that other company to run a successful MMORPG over the long term.

Improving the Paladins tanking ability would not necessarily be a bad thing. At the cost of some offense? That might be a bad thing. Nerfing Paladin Agility could make some of the high agility races look a lot better for making Paladins.

Getting back to the monk. Why cant I have a spell that does over 7k damage per hit and 80% avoidance?

*glares at Gage-Mikel*

Oakbr · 05-10-2005, 11:31 AM

Thank you for your positive contribution to the Paladin forum.

You're the guy that said anybody running around in good gear is buying plat or otherwise cheating. You've haven't apologized for that assinine remark yet, and I'm still highly offended by it. My pally is wearing imbued feysteel, has multiple adept 3s, and has plat in the bank to upgrade at least his BP to ebon as soon as I ding 40. I got everything I have honestly, playing the game as intended, harvesting my own rares. Apologize for your idiocy, and maybe I'll give you a second chance.

Did manage to look at your guide. Eh. Doesn't totally suck, but it isn't great. Way too much of your notions of "proper paladin roleplay", and again you advise against purchasing the best available equipment. Completely ignores the evil races than can become paladins via Betrayal. Farghus is a Troll Pally. For RP purposes, he's living the dream of his Great Grandpappy Farghus Blastenfartz, the non-evil SK who always wanted to be a pally--but the mean old dorfs wouldn't let him in. He's noble, brave, kind...and an absolute [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]-kicker in combat. Really gets tired of the racists in Qeynos constantly insulting him, just for being a troll.

You see, my point is, there is more than one way to RP a Paladin. And there are plenty of LEGITIMATE ways to earn coin in this game. You've got this notion that you know everything there is to know, and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Plus the thing about anybody with better gear than you think they ought to have must have bought plat or otherwise cheated.

As for my contributions to the Pally forums, look at other threads--the ones where you aren't calling people cheaters or acting like Karana's Gift to Paladins. You'll see I post lots of things, and I call em like I see em.

Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 12:32 AM

Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 12:34 AM

prisoner · 05-10-2005, 04:50 PM

SunTsu wrote:

I see five or ten posters that can read and respond to posts articulately and intellegently, but if they want a different Pally then me, then I don't want them as my Liaison.

Tell us what you will stand up for for the Pally.

What will you advise SOE does with us?

What would we look like in your ideal Pally form? Full Tank, Off Tank, Hybrid healer/rezzer, DPS, Auxillery?

What skills/abilities need added, need refining and what should go away?

This is what I want to know from those who wish to take this position.

So if you are serious, tell us...

Hypothetically speaking, if I were some sort of liason for our class, it wouldn't be what *I* want to see done or not done, but it would be what *YOU* want. Gather the collective issues brought up and discussed and present them in a professional manner to those above who actually work for our benefit.

As a liason you aren't the "president" of the paladins, more of a reporter.

The general consensus is that first and foremost, we are tanks, and we want to be able to tank. Most like us how we are, myself included, thus we wish to stay as we are, or as close as possible. There are some definate concerns regarding aggro generation and combat arts/spell efficiency in terms of power usage. Obvious broken skills that have been broken for quite some time are also an issue. Game breaking? Nope. Do we want them to work properly anyway? Hell yes. These are just the tip of the proverbial iceburgs.

For the liason, I don't want someone who can just express their views to the devs, I want someone who will express all of our views. I'd expect them to bring up our valid concerns and work in a mature manner. That will help us all in the end.

I'd offer to do it, but I don't think I'm popular enough SMILEY

Really though, if you can do the above, then you'll have the support of the paladin community.

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Titali · 05-10-2005, 05:19 PM

maybe you havent noticed blackweb, but most people dont RP. im not sure whether you are fighting for the rep position or you just like to hear yourself talk. but in any case you seem to be largely biased to the RP community, which is in fact the minority.

MeridianR · 05-10-2005, 05:26 PM

Come on guys/girls...seriously enough with the flaming back and forth, or bickering, etc...just focus on the original posters comments. If you have issues with each other, then just PM stuff back and forth....we got the attention of the mods/devs, but for the flaming, not the reason we want to get there attention...

BlackW · 05-10-2005, 06:36 PM

Oakbrow wrote:

Thank you for your positive contribution to the Paladin forum.

You're the guy that said anybody running around in good gear is buying plat or otherwise cheating. You've haven't apologized for that assinine remark yet, and I'm still highly offended by it. My pally is wearing imbued feysteel, has multiple adept 3s, and has plat in the bank to upgrade at least his BP to ebon as soon as I ding 40. I got everything I have honestly, playing the game as intended, harvesting my own rares. Apologize for your idiocy, and maybe I'll give you a second chance.

Did manage to look at your guide. Eh. Doesn't totally suck, but it isn't great. Way too much of your notions of "proper paladin roleplay", and again you advise against purchasing the best available equipment. Completely ignores the evil races than can become paladins via Betrayal. Farghus is a Troll Pally. For RP purposes, he's living the dream of his Great Grandpappy Farghus Blastenfartz, the non-evil SK who always wanted to be a pally--but the mean old dorfs wouldn't let him in. He's noble, brave, kind...and an absolute [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]-kicker in combat. Really gets tired of the racists in Qeynos constantly insulting him, just for being a troll.

You see, my point is, there is more than one way to RP a Paladin. And there are plenty of LEGITIMATE ways to earn coin in this game. You've got this notion that you know everything there is to know, and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Plus the thing about anybody with better gear than you think they ought to have must have bought plat or otherwise cheated.

As for my contributions to the Pally forums, look at other threads--the ones where you aren't calling people cheaters or acting like Karana's Gift to Paladins. You'll see I post lots of things, and I call em like I see em.

Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-200512:32 AM

Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-200512:34 AM

That is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Leave that discussion elsewhere. I have politiely answered your post in that topic in detail. Preserving the integrity of the game could not be more important, that is what the Blue Collar Paladin topic is about, preserving, as much as possible, the integrity of the game for Paladins. That happens to be one of SOEs goals as well.

BlackW · 05-10-2005, 06:37 PM

Titaliss wrote:

maybe you havent noticed blackweb, but most people dont RP. im not sure whether you are fighting for the rep position or you just like to hear yourself talk. but in any case you seem to be largely biased to the RP community, which is in fact the minority.

EQ2 is a RP game. Dont know what else to tell you about that one. If you dont want to RP, then dont. Lets not start a flame war between RPers and non-RPers.

BlackW · 05-10-2005, 06:41 PM

MeridianR wrote:
Come on guys/girls...seriously enough with the flaming back and forth, or bickering, etc...just focus on the original posters comments.

If you have issues with each other, then just PM stuff back and forth....we got the attention of the mods/devs, but for the flaming, not the reason we want to get there attention...

I think what the origonal poster was suggesting was some kind of spokesperson for Paladins. You are one of the individuals I would suggest for the job. I think you are a fine example of what a Paladin should be. I will warn you or anyone else who wants the job, the better you do your job, the more likely you are to make some people mad. Success and notariety often breed resentment and midnless flaming. That is why I would not want the job. I have my hands full already with my guide, my guild and my ps outfit. That is enough contreversy and notariety for me. I also do not know if I would be free to speak my mind if I were some sort of official Paladin representative SMILEY

Message Edited by BlackWeb on 05-10-2005 07:57 AM

Oakbr · 05-10-2005, 07:09 PM

That is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Leave that discussion elsewhere. I have politiely answered your post in that topic in detail. Preserving the integrity of the game could not be more important, that is what the Blue Collar Paladin topic is about, preserving, as much as possible, the integrity of the game for Paladins. That happens to be one of SOEs goals as well. Get over yourself already. You do not tell me what or where I may post. You have repeatedly posted the notion that it is not possible for a level 40 player to legitimately wear ebon armor. You are wrong. W-R-O-N-G. The fact that you obviously do not know what you're talking about on this subject is relevant to your attempting to put yourself forward as some kind of "model paladin". You ain't. You need to retract that insulting position, which has been thoroughly debunked despite your denials, and I'll be riding your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] until you do.

BlackW · 05-10-2005, 07:15 PM

Oakbrow wrote:

That is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Leave that discussion elsewhere. I have politiely answered your post in that topic in detail. Preserving the integrity of the game could not be more important, that is what the Blue Collar Paladin topic is about, preserving, as much as possible, the integrity of the game for Paladins. That happens to be one of SOEs goals as well.

Get over yourself already. You do not tell me what or where I may post. You have repeatedly posted the notion that it is not possible for a level 40 player to legitimately wear ebon armor. You are wrong. W-R-O-N-G. The fact that you obviously do not know what you're talking about on this subject is relevant to your attempting to put yourself forward as some kind of "model paladin". You ain't. You need to retract that insulting position, which has been thoroughly debunked despite your denials, and I'll be riding your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] until you do.

Again, that is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Your rudness is becoming tiresome. You are accomplishing nothing by continuing this here. Please stop. If you do not, I will let the moderator deal with you.

Message Edited by BlackWeb on 05-10-2005 08:17 AM

Oakbr · 05-10-2005, 07:17 PM

Want me to stop? Apologize for your statement that anyone with rare armor at level 40 is a cheater, and I'll stop. Until then, no dice. And see this thread for discussion of how harvesting works: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=9976 Do these words look familiar: Could a player actually come up with 30-60pp by lvl 40 and be 100% legit? I suppose it is possible though highly unlikely. If that player were a successful tier5 artisan, yes. Adventurer, I doubt it. That is why I wear pristine fulginate and have 2 rare items, a sword and a shield. They should. They're yours. You pulled the 30-60pp based on your guesstimate of what it might cost on your server, which seems to have high prices. But your point is obvious--anyone with rare armor at level 40 must be a cheater. I find that highly offensive, and again demand a retraction, Mr. Honorable Paladin, Sir.

Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 08:26 AM

Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 08:27 AM

Gaige · 05-11-2005, 04:24 AM

BlackWeb wrote:
Getting back to the monk. Why cant I have a spell that does over 7k damage per hit and 80% avoidance?

*glares at Gage-Mikel*

Well the 7k (actually 11k) damage thing only works on solo mobs and it stuns you for 30 seconds after you use it.

Titali · 05-14-2005, 02:51 AM

i nominate Gage-Mikel for the Paladin Class Liaison!

Gaige · 05-14-2005, 05:29 AM

Let's see. So that's Guardian, Monk and Paladin so far. Not bad I suppose SMILEY

05-10-2005, 12:23 AM	#31
Faarwolf Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Orange County, Ca Posts: 76	I don't see why this thread has to become a flame war. __________________ ____________________ Faarwolf No Longer the Wrath of the Mods "Where once I enforced, I shall now enjoin."

05-10-2005, 05:46 AM	#32
BlackW Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 496	Gage-Mikel wrote: Oakbrow wrote: ...even the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] monk guy that trolls this forum. Hey, I resemble that comment! But anyway. I'm not too sure what SOE has up their sleeve either, but I think whatever they decide will be in the best interest of the community. I personally liked how the correspondents worked in SWG (especially Arjur as jedi correspondent) but its a lot of work. I was pretty good friends with a few of them in SWG and it isn't easy reading all the threads in the forum, trying to find out what is the most pressing needs of your class and presenting that to the devs each month in a way that is reasonable to all your fellow players but also to the devs. But, in regards to Faar's post, I think its cool that SOE is at least looking at the possibility of talking with some players a little closer about game issues. I mean what better way to see what class "x" is thinking than to talk to some of the people who play the class day in and day out. The hardest thing would be to find someone open minded enough to not discount opinions that clash with their own. Regardless, if any sort of system like this comes to fruition, I've seen plenty of Pallys who know their stuff, so I doubt you guys have anything to worry about. To be honest, I really do not worry that much about changes made in the Paladin from patch to patch by SOE. As far as I can tell, they have not "ruined" the Paladin and I doubt they will. The one exception might be the Holy Nag nerf but I understand why they did that. No class should get a 3.6p tier3 mount for 12s. I am not that worried about what SOE is going to do to the Paladin in the future. We need to remeber that SOE is a for-profit company. Their success depends on keeping their subscribers happy. Running off thousands of Paladin players is not something they want to do. They will constantly tinker with game balance and tweak the game but I do not expect major changes except in the upcoming expansion, if it ever comes. My prime character was created shortly after release. The game has changed a lot since then, mostly for the better. If offline selling had been around since day1, he would be rich beyond the dreams of avarice. My alt paladin character has already made more coin by lvl 29 than my prime did by 40. One of the main reasons I play EQ2 and not that other MMORPG is SOE knows what they are doing but I have serious doubts about the ability of that other company to run a successful MMORPG over the long term. Improving the Paladins tanking ability would not necessarily be a bad thing. At the cost of some offense? That might be a bad thing. Nerfing Paladin Agility could make some of the high agility races look a lot better for making Paladins. Getting back to the monk. Why cant I have a spell that does over 7k damage per hit and 80% avoidance? glares at Gage-Mikel __________________ Blackweb, Human Paladin - Lucan Dlere Roleplay Server Order of Marr Crusader/Paladin Guide - In Progress

05-10-2005, 11:31 AM	#33
Oakbr Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 250	Thank you for your positive contribution to the Paladin forum. You're the guy that said anybody running around in good gear is buying plat or otherwise cheating. You've haven't apologized for that assinine remark yet, and I'm still highly offended by it. My pally is wearing imbued feysteel, has multiple adept 3s, and has plat in the bank to upgrade at least his BP to ebon as soon as I ding 40. I got everything I have honestly, playing the game as intended, harvesting my own rares. Apologize for your idiocy, and maybe I'll give you a second chance. Did manage to look at your guide. Eh. Doesn't totally suck, but it isn't great. Way too much of your notions of "proper paladin roleplay", and again you advise against purchasing the best available equipment. Completely ignores the evil races than can become paladins via Betrayal. Farghus is a Troll Pally. For RP purposes, he's living the dream of his Great Grandpappy Farghus Blastenfartz, the non-evil SK who always wanted to be a pally--but the mean old dorfs wouldn't let him in. He's noble, brave, kind...and an absolute [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]-kicker in combat. Really gets tired of the racists in Qeynos constantly insulting him, just for being a troll. You see, my point is, there is more than one way to RP a Paladin. And there are plenty of LEGITIMATE ways to earn coin in this game. You've got this notion that you know everything there is to know, and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Plus the thing about anybody with better gear than you think they ought to have must have bought plat or otherwise cheated. As for my contributions to the Pally forums, look at other threads--the ones where you aren't calling people cheaters or acting like Karana's Gift to Paladins. You'll see I post lots of things, and I call em like I see em. Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 12:32 AM Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 12:34 AM __________________ Farghus--Level 57 Trollie Palladun. (Mees am NOT ebul!) Kahbueme--Level 57 Warlock (sounds like Kaboom as pronounced by a waiter in a snooty French restaurant) Najena Server

05-10-2005, 04:50 PM	#34
prisoner General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 213	SunTsu wrote: I see five or ten posters that can read and respond to posts articulately and intellegently, but if they want a different Pally then me, then I don't want them as my Liaison. Tell us what you will stand up for for the Pally. What will you advise SOE does with us? What would we look like in your ideal Pally form? Full Tank, Off Tank, Hybrid healer/rezzer, DPS, Auxillery? What skills/abilities need added, need refining and what should go away? This is what I want to know from those who wish to take this position. So if you are serious, tell us... Hypothetically speaking, if I were some sort of liason for our class, it wouldn't be what I want to see done or not done, but it would be what YOU want. Gather the collective issues brought up and discussed and present them in a professional manner to those above who actually work for our benefit. As a liason you aren't the "president" of the paladins, more of a reporter. The general consensus is that first and foremost, we are tanks, and we want to be able to tank. Most like us how we are, myself included, thus we wish to stay as we are, or as close as possible. There are some definate concerns regarding aggro generation and combat arts/spell efficiency in terms of power usage. Obvious broken skills that have been broken for quite some time are also an issue. Game breaking? Nope. Do we want them to work properly anyway? Hell yes. These are just the tip of the proverbial iceburgs. For the liason, I don't want someone who can just express their views to the devs, I want someone who will express all of our views. I'd expect them to bring up our valid concerns and work in a mature manner. That will help us all in the end. I'd offer to do it, but I don't think I'm popular enough Really though, if you can do the above, then you'll have the support of the paladin community. 17

05-10-2005, 05:26 PM	#36
MeridianR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,402	Come on guys/girls...seriously enough with the flaming back and forth, or bickering, etc...just focus on the original posters comments. If you have issues with each other, then just PM stuff back and forth....we got the attention of the mods/devs, but for the flaming, not the reason we want to get there attention... __________________ Meridian - L70 Brigand (Vendetta)

05-10-2005, 05:19 PM	#35
Titali Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 158	maybe you havent noticed blackweb, but most people dont RP. im not sure whether you are fighting for the rep position or you just like to hear yourself talk. but in any case you seem to be largely biased to the RP community, which is in fact the minority.

05-10-2005, 06:36 PM	#37
BlackW Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 496	Oakbrow wrote: Thank you for your positive contribution to the Paladin forum. You're the guy that said anybody running around in good gear is buying plat or otherwise cheating. You've haven't apologized for that assinine remark yet, and I'm still highly offended by it. My pally is wearing imbued feysteel, has multiple adept 3s, and has plat in the bank to upgrade at least his BP to ebon as soon as I ding 40. I got everything I have honestly, playing the game as intended, harvesting my own rares. Apologize for your idiocy, and maybe I'll give you a second chance. Did manage to look at your guide. Eh. Doesn't totally suck, but it isn't great. Way too much of your notions of "proper paladin roleplay", and again you advise against purchasing the best available equipment. Completely ignores the evil races than can become paladins via Betrayal. Farghus is a Troll Pally. For RP purposes, he's living the dream of his Great Grandpappy Farghus Blastenfartz, the non-evil SK who always wanted to be a pally--but the mean old dorfs wouldn't let him in. He's noble, brave, kind...and an absolute [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]-kicker in combat. Really gets tired of the racists in Qeynos constantly insulting him, just for being a troll. You see, my point is, there is more than one way to RP a Paladin. And there are plenty of LEGITIMATE ways to earn coin in this game. You've got this notion that you know everything there is to know, and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong. Plus the thing about anybody with better gear than you think they ought to have must have bought plat or otherwise cheated. As for my contributions to the Pally forums, look at other threads--the ones where you aren't calling people cheaters or acting like Karana's Gift to Paladins. You'll see I post lots of things, and I call em like I see em. Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-200512:32 AM Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-200512:34 AM That is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Leave that discussion elsewhere. I have politiely answered your post in that topic in detail. Preserving the integrity of the game could not be more important, that is what the Blue Collar Paladin topic is about, preserving, as much as possible, the integrity of the game for Paladins. That happens to be one of SOEs goals as well. __________________ Blackweb, Human Paladin - Lucan Dlere Roleplay Server Order of Marr Crusader/Paladin Guide - In Progress

05-10-2005, 06:37 PM	#38
BlackW Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 496	Titaliss wrote: maybe you havent noticed blackweb, but most people dont RP. im not sure whether you are fighting for the rep position or you just like to hear yourself talk. but in any case you seem to be largely biased to the RP community, which is in fact the minority. EQ2 is a RP game. Dont know what else to tell you about that one. If you dont want to RP, then dont. Lets not start a flame war between RPers and non-RPers. __________________ Blackweb, Human Paladin - Lucan Dlere Roleplay Server Order of Marr Crusader/Paladin Guide - In Progress

05-10-2005, 06:41 PM	#39
BlackW Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 496	MeridianR wrote: Come on guys/girls...seriously enough with the flaming back and forth, or bickering, etc...just focus on the original posters comments. If you have issues with each other, then just PM stuff back and forth....we got the attention of the mods/devs, but for the flaming, not the reason we want to get there attention... I think what the origonal poster was suggesting was some kind of spokesperson for Paladins. You are one of the individuals I would suggest for the job. I think you are a fine example of what a Paladin should be. I will warn you or anyone else who wants the job, the better you do your job, the more likely you are to make some people mad. Success and notariety often breed resentment and midnless flaming. That is why I would not want the job. I have my hands full already with my guide, my guild and my ps outfit. That is enough contreversy and notariety for me. I also do not know if I would be free to speak my mind if I were some sort of official Paladin representative Message Edited by BlackWeb on 05-10-2005 07:57 AM __________________ Blackweb, Human Paladin - Lucan Dlere Roleplay Server Order of Marr Crusader/Paladin Guide - In Progress

05-10-2005, 07:09 PM	#40
Oakbr Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 250	That is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Leave that discussion elsewhere. I have politiely answered your post in that topic in detail. Preserving the integrity of the game could not be more important, that is what the Blue Collar Paladin topic is about, preserving, as much as possible, the integrity of the game for Paladins. That happens to be one of SOEs goals as well. Get over yourself already. You do not tell me what or where I may post. You have repeatedly posted the notion that it is not possible for a level 40 player to legitimately wear ebon armor. You are wrong. W-R-O-N-G. The fact that you obviously do not know what you're talking about on this subject is relevant to your attempting to put yourself forward as some kind of "model paladin". You ain't. You need to retract that insulting position, which has been thoroughly debunked despite your denials, and I'll be riding your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] until you do. __________________ Farghus--Level 57 Trollie Palladun. (Mees am NOT ebul!) Kahbueme--Level 57 Warlock (sounds like Kaboom as pronounced by a waiter in a snooty French restaurant) Najena Server

05-10-2005, 07:15 PM	#41
BlackW Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 496	Oakbrow wrote: That is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Leave that discussion elsewhere. I have politiely answered your post in that topic in detail. Preserving the integrity of the game could not be more important, that is what the Blue Collar Paladin topic is about, preserving, as much as possible, the integrity of the game for Paladins. That happens to be one of SOEs goals as well. Get over yourself already. You do not tell me what or where I may post. You have repeatedly posted the notion that it is not possible for a level 40 player to legitimately wear ebon armor. You are wrong. W-R-O-N-G. The fact that you obviously do not know what you're talking about on this subject is relevant to your attempting to put yourself forward as some kind of "model paladin". You ain't. You need to retract that insulting position, which has been thoroughly debunked despite your denials, and I'll be riding your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] until you do. Again, that is not what I said. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Your rudness is becoming tiresome. You are accomplishing nothing by continuing this here. Please stop. If you do not, I will let the moderator deal with you. Message Edited by BlackWeb on 05-10-2005 08:17 AM __________________ Blackweb, Human Paladin - Lucan Dlere Roleplay Server Order of Marr Crusader/Paladin Guide - In Progress

05-10-2005, 07:17 PM	#42
Oakbr Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 250	Want me to stop? Apologize for your statement that anyone with rare armor at level 40 is a cheater, and I'll stop. Until then, no dice. And see this thread for discussion of how harvesting works: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=9976 Do these words look familiar: Could a player actually come up with 30-60pp by lvl 40 and be 100% legit? I suppose it is possible though highly unlikely. If that player were a successful tier5 artisan, yes. Adventurer, I doubt it. That is why I wear pristine fulginate and have 2 rare items, a sword and a shield. They should. They're yours. You pulled the 30-60pp based on your guesstimate of what it might cost on your server, which seems to have high prices. But your point is obvious--anyone with rare armor at level 40 must be a cheater. I find that highly offensive, and again demand a retraction, Mr. Honorable Paladin, Sir. Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 08:26 AM Message Edited by Oakbrow on 05-10-2005 08:27 AM __________________ Farghus--Level 57 Trollie Palladun. (Mees am NOT ebul!) Kahbueme--Level 57 Warlock (sounds like Kaboom as pronounced by a waiter in a snooty French restaurant) Najena Server

05-11-2005, 04:24 AM	#43
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	BlackWeb wrote: Getting back to the monk. Why cant I have a spell that does over 7k damage per hit and 80% avoidance? glares at Gage-Mikel Well the 7k (actually 11k) damage thing only works on solo mobs and it stuns you for 30 seconds after you use it. __________________

05-14-2005, 02:51 AM	#44
Titali Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 158	i nominate Gage-Mikel for the Paladin Class Liaison!

05-14-2005, 05:29 AM	#45
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Let's see. So that's Guardian, Monk and Paladin so far. Not bad I suppose __________________