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11-30-2004, 03:19 PM
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I am looking to acquire some crus/pally adept1 spells and am looking for help in deciding. What fighter/crusader abilities(spells/skills) are you guys still using at higher levels. No point in purchasing an adept that will be superseded within a couple of levels. Finally, if (and this is a big 'IF') I can get my hand on a level 1-20 adept3, what is the best one to go for.
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11-30-2004, 10:08 PM
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Good question.Any listing anywhere of which abilities conflict with one another?I've seen listings of abilities we get with subsequent levels, but notone listing which abilities conflict with one another. Seems to be useful information for planning ahead.Also, it'll allow us to call out some of the tradeskillers who've apparently been smoking crack these last few weeks. Come on guys,1 gold for an adept 1 skill? please.
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11-30-2004, 11:59 PM
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i think best way to aproach this, is to upgrade the spells you are useing the most. easy right ? Lol only part i hate is upgradeing a spell and spending uba amounts of silver for the adept or master version then haveing it getting replaced w/ the new one when i lvl
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12-01-2004, 12:08 AM
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I too would love to hear some answers to this post for I get confused as to what is better vs availability and good lord the prices I have been looking for power cleave adept and righteous anger adept spells and can not find them do they exist?
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12-01-2004, 12:32 AM
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havnt seen those yet .. but as they get collected they will start to pop up here and there for sale
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12-01-2004, 03:45 AM
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Tradeskillers don't make adept I's, thats a greedy person that got one as a drop.
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12-01-2004, 03:49 AM
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You definitely want to get the taunts because that will be your job if you're main tanking. I have yet to see regular taunt or shout at all, so I just went ahead and got inflame's (taunt upgrade) adept upgrade. I also use Demonstration of Faith (our ward) ALOT, and after upgrading it to Adept I it prevents exactly 232 pts of damage. It's hard for me to pick and choose because I haven't had a problem affording any yet, it's just a matter of finding them for sell or as a drop. I'd like to get our blessed aid heal and Lay on Hands but I've yet to see them on the Brokers. Righteous Anger is another good one, that does about 50-70 pts of damage at Adept I, and I use it to pull every time.
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12-01-2004, 04:08 AM
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I have the following Adept Is: Inflame Demonstration of Faith Toughness Righetous Blow Faithful Swing. Of the 5, I'd most recommend Inflame and Demonstration of Faith. Having an upgraded taunt is extremely important to a main tank, and I rarely lose aggro with it. Adept Demonstration of Faith is great for main tanking as well, really useful for taking some of the load off healers, surviving a particularily difficult mob in combo with a healer, or helping a groupmate. Toughness Adept isn't bad either; I mostly bought it because Toughness never has an upgraded version, and its a fairly decent buff. Faithful swing is ok, the damage increase wasn't much but the heal increase was decent. Righteous Blow I don't use enough to justify buying an Adept I; I feel its too much power for too little damage. Righteous Anger is a much better damage:power ration, though on a longer timer. If I were to get an Adept III, I'd probably upgrade Demonstration of Faith. Message Edited by Caledore on 11-30-2004 03:09 PM
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12-01-2004, 01:52 PM
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Thanks for the response guys, this info has been very helpful. I managed to get hold of Inflame last night, the one and only fighter/crusader adept, I have come across on the Everfrost server but it looks like there are more out there so I will keep looking. The market seems to be full of scout and mage adepts, and this has backed up my assumption that crusader adepts are rare. Have so far picked up 6 scout, 2 mage and 2 healer (several at level 16-19). No fighter adepts yet, had to swap for Inflame. Is anyone else noticing this, I have asked around the guild and only 1 drop for Inflame so far, out of almost 100 drops.
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12-01-2004, 07:53 PM
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By Far the answer is Inflame and DEMONSTRATION OF FAITH .............. then get you Lay Hands up . DoF saves lives ...........and our best spell. Stormdoor
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12-02-2004, 01:54 AM
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I have faithful swing, assult, inflame,righteous blow and demonstration of faith. What really annoys me is I saw LoH adept 1 for 20s a few weeks ago but couldn't afford it at the time and I haven't seen it on my server since! Jamenn 20 Paladin - Faydark
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12-02-2004, 03:39 AM
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I paid 1 gold 40 silver for Lay Hands, only because it was so rare, and it was the one and only time I'd seen it for sale. I've gotten most of my main spells up to adept 1 (maybe a half dozen-10), and now want to get some up to master. I saw master 1 righteous blow, but the guy wanted 15 gold for it...
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12-02-2004, 06:44 AM
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I agree that Inflame, DoF, and Lay Hands are the top three. Taunting is incredibly important. DoF makes you a better tank and Lay Hands gets your group out of jail free. |
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12-02-2004, 08:34 PM
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These will be the Adept 1s to look out for.Blinding Light - AE Taunt + Divine DebuffFaithful Zeal - Upgrade to DoF + Partial hate transferOath Strike - Huge Divine Melee Damage + DOT (I currently hit level 35ish mobs for 200 + 40 + 40 + 40)Divine Inspiration - Improved Melee for entire groupGlorious Weapon - Upgrade to Blessed Weapon, procs for 70+ (Does it quite often)Knight's Stance - This is the best ability a paladin has IMO. Heavily increases your melee mitigation.
Message Edited by Dyvanos on 12-02-2004 09:35 AM Message Edited by Dyvanos on 12-02-2004 09:36 AM
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12-02-2004, 10:25 PM
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Blessed aid hasn't been mentioned and since I solo I find it very usefull too although I haven't even found a app2 for it little alone app3 or adept1. Most of the ones mentioned above I have working towards getting all adepts including the taunts for the odd group here and there. Demonstration of faith makes soloing tough yellows possible of course but to be honest I rarely use lay of hands although it's nice to have in reserve.
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12-03-2004, 12:02 AM
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Lay of hands shouldnt be in your top 3 priority. This isnt a spell you'll be using fight after fight and you get an upgrade to it in your 30's. Our level 26 heal is actually a better heal and worth getting an adept version since the recast is only 10 minutes instead of 30 minutes for LoH. Glorious Weapon, Inflame, Blinding Light, Demonstration of Faith, Blessed Aid, and to a lesser extent Charge, Toughness and Rightous Anger should be mainly what you're looking for. Knight's Stance as well, although I never saw an adept version of it dropped or on the broker and I got the upgrade to it at 30.6 which is a better version anyway. Jokalaylau Oasis
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12-03-2004, 08:28 PM
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Agree there. Can't wait to get to the level to try some of those you mention. On blessed aid I still haven't found it save for the blackmarket broker in NQ but 69 silver was a bit much for an app3 so I will do without it.
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12-03-2004, 08:50 PM
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You have to make friends with some crafters! I got my Blessed Aid Apprentice 3 for 15 silver and it went from a 175 heal to a 250 heal. Worth every copper.
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12-03-2004, 09:00 PM
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I have read that "knight's stance adept 1" is a great upgrade to this ability. I will be seeking this out.
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12-03-2004, 10:37 PM
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Inflame replcaes Taunt Faithful Swing replaces Wild Swing Charge replaces Kick I know those are right, and from others in this thread: Faithful Zeal replaces Demostration of Faith Glorious Weapon repalces Blessed Weapon Does Blinding Light replace Shout? Does Oath Strike replace Rightious Anger?
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12-03-2004, 10:47 PM
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Oath Strike I don't believe replaces anything (I'll have to check).Righteous Anger is replaced by Omen of Battle (Same DD but with interrupt capability.) I didn't bother upgrading this as upgrades tend to take more power and I'd rather have a low power extra interrupt. The damage it does is just a bonus as far as I'm concerned.Blinding Light and Smite Prayer replace Shout (They are both on the same timer and do the exact same thing as far as the description goes, I just prefer to use Blinding Light. If I remember correctly you get them both at the same level.)
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12-04-2004, 09:14 AM
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Yeah, both given at the same level and at the same time. I haven't tried to see if the divine resistance stacks, though. Maybe something we should all do a /feedack on and see if they can get one to be for a single mob instead of an AE.
Blinding Light: Smite Prayer:
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12-04-2004, 02:43 PM
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The first adept I found was righteous blow for 10 silver. It uses alot of power yes but it hits like a truck. What I'd really like to find is an upgrade to blessed weapon. I'll have a new spell for it in a few levels but I'd certainly buy an adept for app3 if I could find one cheap. If you are having problems finding adepts, I was told to check the black market, because some only drop on the other side. Kinda silly having paladin adepts drop on the evil side, but I guess it promotes economy and exploration. I was looking for righteous anger adept forever but couldn't find it in qeynos, went to the black market, there it was all shiny and for a whole 13 silver even with the 40% markup. Bless you freeport merchants. Also - don't you hate it when one night you are shopping, you dont see your adept but you see an app3 and you think "sweet!!" and you pick it up for a good price (most I've seen are 10s and below) and then the very next day you look again and "doh!!" there is the adept you were looking for I've wasted a good bit of silver doing that. I suppose I need to learn patience ;pHas anyone seen a power cleave adept? I dont think they exist
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12-06-2004, 03:30 AM
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I have Blessed Aid at Adept 3, and at level 25 it heals for 349 points of damage. Tends to make Shaman and some Clerics jealous
 My Cleric friend (of same level) has her single target heal I believe at Adept 1, and she only heals about 356 damage with her's. It costs a lot of mana.. but thats a pretty darn big heal.I also have Demonstration of Faith at Adept 1, definately worth it. Its around 250 points at 25 now. Offering of Armament, and Ancient Pledge are both decent if you group with someone often who refuses to let you tank. Redemption is also fantastic to have at Adept 1. I usually keep it on the healer, unless we have a super high dps person who has a chance of grabbing aggro then I toss it on them.Also have Inflame at Adept 1, and Blinding Light only App3. Really almost all of my skills are Adept 1 or App3. You shouldn't really ever have an App1 skill that you use, if you do I suggest you make friends with a crafter. The Apprentice 3 spells are fairly easy for them to make.As for a pre-20 Adept 3.. I'm not sure really. Demonstration of Faith is nice, but I believe we get an upgrade at 27, which for some people is a long way off, for some not too far. Inflame maybe?Message Edited by Rennyn on 12-05-2004 02:32 PM
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12-07-2004, 12:17 PM
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Hi, thanks for all the great posts, the information has been invaluable. I have made it to level20 and become a paladin now. Managed to swap/purchase x4 adept1 and upgrade nearly all other abilities to App3. I've been using the vendor in Qeynos a lot, as still haven't had a fighter/crusader/paladin Adept drop...lol. Sold 10 other adepts so far. Never had any luck with the black market, only one I've found was Righteous Blow for 3gold, which I had paid 15 silver for, 5 minutes previously, from Qyenos broker. Bronze and Lapis are still eluding me, for the Adept3 upgrade. P.S. has anyone come across Power Cleave upgrades. sure I read somewhere it was bugged.
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12-22-2004, 02:55 PM
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Lol so true  I cant tell you how many times I have gotten in trouble and this little spell literally has saved my @ss. Probably the spell you will use most, along some kind of taunt, as a tank.
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