EQ2's best Shadowknights.... Who are they?

[Norrsken]

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Pitt Hammerfist wrote:

let this thread die in peace

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I'd say its violently convulsing in pain, waiting for a mod to come end its misery.

[Xanoth]

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roxer2b wrote:

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Pitt Hammerfist wrote:

let this thread die in peace

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I'd say its violently convulsing in pain, waiting for a mod to come end its misery.

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I thought it was me that was violently convulsing in pain every time i looked at this thread...

[Darkaren]

no, thats just the pin you left on your desk chair.Why would it get locked anyway. Its pure pwnage.

[plantb]

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Darkaren wrote:
no, thats just the pin you left on your desk chair.


Why would it get locked anyway. Its pure pwnage.

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Aye if your a 15 year old. 

This thread is bollox, and I cannot believe there are SKs saying they are the best.

Plant

[Coica]

common, there is some comedy gold in this thread. I overlooked it for awhile, but it grew and became greatness!! lighten up..francis. too many 'hahahahaha's' to list. good ones.

[Kelkirra]

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muguguypan wrote:
common, there is some comedy gold in this thread. I overlooked it for awhile, but it grew and became greatness!!

 lighten up..francis.

 too many 'hahahahaha's' to list.

 good ones.

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I actually agree with you on that. The flames from these guys has just gotten funny instead of insulting .

[Comp2go]

I am the best SK overall. I still have my freeport starting armor. Who else still has that?  Yea... Thought so. You youngun's need to sit down and shutup! Im the best Sk, and thats that! Go me! Go Me! Go Me! Wanna know something else... I can easily beat you all because my pvp titles are blah blah blah blah blah blah blah! Blah blah blah blah! Blah Bleh! Blu blah blah!

[Darkaren]

my dad can and will b eat your dad up.Unless he was like in the military or something?

[Ellestil]

This was a trick question. The answer was............all Shadowknights rule! Down with Guardians!

[Talz]

Being in a top guild has nothing do with being the best at a class.  The gear that comes from constantly playing is being used as intended in appropriate content.  Maybe I am somewhat snobbish from success in every MMO I have played but that really doesn't impress me.  Some of the best players I have ever seen are in those guilds that are a few months behind the leading guilds.  There are many players that won't leave them and they work through content slower but with a lot worse gear than leading guilds.  The top guilds know this because they relentlessly headhunt from these guilds.  Why is that?I doubt many here were in or played during the EQ1 BoTB but there were a lot of people from world first guilds that got the living snot beat out of them by lesser equipped players.People just need to chill out.  This thread was just for fun.  In the end.. the best SK in EQ2 will never even post in it. :smileywink:

[Boke]

this thread has become more of a who has more balls to talk smack, its gotten way out of hand...<3 :smileysad:

[Darkaren]

when  you talk about best of the best tournaments, its ona  gear level playing field.However, the gear you have and play with means everything about how you play your character, to be immeadiately switched out of the gear into something new, is like being put in a new class for the first time.melee gear ftl.

[Zoradan]

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Talzar wrote:

I doubt many here were in or played during the EQ1 BoTB but there were a lot of people from world first guilds that got the living snot beat out of them by lesser equipped players.

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Those were fantastic, I was only a 35-40 sk at the time but was a blast to watch the original BoTB.

[Talz]

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Darkaren wrote:when  you talk about best of the best tournaments, its ona  gear level playing field.However, the gear you have and play with means everything about how you play your character, to be immeadiately switched out of the gear into something new, is like being put in a new class for the first time.melee gear ftl.

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Classes where resists were needed were for the most part about gear.  Test of Toys Tactics was all about gear.  For pure melee BotB though the only thing that really kept some around and allowed some to win that pretty much sucked otherwise were epics.  Not everyone had them.  Even rogues that were kind of a /claim reward when certain mobs had 100% drop rates.

[Talz]

Interesting case made about gear.  People can not agree with it, or not want to but it is solid.  In the context of being a class where resists where important is how it should be viewed.  I post it because I don't think people in this thread are bad people but they are losing their points horribly. "I expect many people to say that I won the BotB due to my equipment advantage.  I'm sure my performance at past ToT's will be completely ignored.   The fact that some bards there had within 10% of my hp and didn't come close to my level of performance will also be ignored.

The equipment I wear is the end result of years of preparation.  Some people are of the opinion that good equipment is unfair in some way.  I will attempt to explain how equipment figures in in Everquest, when it doesn't in other sports.

Many things in EQ are totally random.  If I slash someone, how hard I hit them isn't based on skill, it's based on equipment and a random roll of the die.  In a real life situation, there would be no randomness.  The chance to hit, and the strength of the hit, would all be based on the skill of the two combatants.  That skill is a result of time spent practicing, and some genetic ability.

In Everquest, no amount of practice will allow me hit harder with a sword, or better resist damage songs.  However, equipment will.  So instead of long hours of training to increase strength or resistance, in Everquest, it's long hours spent obtaining equipment.  Equipment, in Everquest, IS increased strength and resistance, the same things that any athlete builds over time.

Either way, through training or through equipment, the combatant that spends the most time preparing has an advantage.  Is it unfair to practice more than others?  I'm sure there are people out there with enough skill to play in professional football...but they don't have the physical characteristics needed: superior strength and speed.  Is this unfair?  Assuming genetics doesn't prevent it, of course not.  It takes a great deal of time to build the strength and speed necessary for professional football.  If those skilled but untrained athletes spent time training their speed and strength, then they could participate in professional football, on an even footing with others.  They can try to compete without the strength and speed, but their skill will have to be greater to compensate.  Everquest is the same way.

The randomness concept was most obvious at the cleric BotB.  Arele fought another cleric, and both were hitting the other during CH to interrupt.  Every time Arele hit, the other channelled.  Every time the other hit, Arele didn't.  Chance to channel is completely random.  There is no skill involved.  Chance to hit with a weapon is again, completely random.  The only thing that helps in this case is time spent obtaining equipment, since there is no way to practice channeling (beyond gaining levels and in game skill points, which I assume are all at max for every participant).  Without equipment to somehow differentiate those that prepared for years and those that prepared for months, it would come down to who gets the best die rolls.  Even with an equipment advantage, sometimes it does anyway.

So, the final question: is it unfair to have an equipment advantage?  Of course not, the same way it isn't unfair for one heavyweight boxer to be stronger and faster than another.  The stronger/faster boxer spent more time training for the event.  I spent a great deal of time and effort to get the equipment I wear.  I get no special equipment deals from being Guildleader, I use the same point system as everyone else.  I have better equipment because I spent more time preparing.  Want to see every raid I've been on in the past 1.5 years?  Go to my DKP page.

One thing I would like to see though, in regards to Everquest BotB style competitions, is different weight classes, exactly like my boxing comparison above.  Currently, we ONLY have heavyweight combat.  Where do the lighter equipped players go to compete?  They don't.  How about lower level players?  They don't either.  To get this going, Verant would need to have volunteer referees, set rules, and weekly events...but it could be done."

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/BotB.php

[Ellestil]

Talzar said  "Many things in EQ are totally random.  If I slash someone, how hard I hit them isn't based on skill, it's based on equipment and a random roll of the die.  In a real life situation, there would be no randomness.  The chance to hit, and the strength of the hit, would all be based on the skill of the two combatants.  That skill is a result of time spent practicing, and some genetic ability."

 

I see alot of your point but this statement I don't fully agree with. Skill to hit someone is not solely determined by a random roll of dice. This would only be true if two people stood toe to toe, didn't move, and hacked on one another. But, if the two players move around for positioning or use their opponents weaknesses against them, this involves some skill beyond a random roll of dice. (For example, trying to position yourself so a rogue cannot backstab you, or manuever yourself outside of a caster's short range PBAE spell.) Also, the proper use of abilities can be used strategically and isn't a random event. (For example, one caster knows to root a melee opponent, the other does not, both have the same gear and same time played).

Also, in real life, there is randomness. Call it luck if you will, but the same result will not 100% repeat itself even if all variables could be contolled. (no change in amount of training by either side of the conflict, no change in the environment which they compete in). What training does is give you an advantage over your opponent and heighten your chances of success over his. But even the dog has his day as it is said. Anyone can get in a lucky shot, or the greatest trained can have an unlucky outcome happen to him.

 

Ellestil

 

[Talz]

That was a quote with the source linked at the bottom.  I don't agree with it all but I think it is a solid point.  I think there is a case to be made for gear playing a part in who is best but all I remember reading in this thread was people putting rulers in their pants.When PoP made the gap between players to the point where skill doesn't matter, he has 5k more hp I pitched a new BotB in FS "fine steel" but people still had their AA.  The idea was recieved better than most were but nobody would do it because it is.. you know.. work and stuff.  That was at the point in the game where events were crap like RM halloween.

[Darkaren]

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[Kelkirra]

Can we please let this thread die?

[Arthik]

No clue if they're the best, but the SKs I've always respected were Kaylee and Vincenzo.I still remember back in the days of DoF, standing at the docks and watching Vincenzo pwn just about everyone with his Captain's Ever-Shifting Vouge... I don't think I've seen him lose once, and I remember people jokingly saying that he was actually level 62 (when 60 was the cap, of course).

[Ramglob]

Sounds like you are talking about Squiggy.  I once tanked the Hillcat Matriarch!!!!!!