Mitigation and Avoidance Comparison - How do we stack up?

Dliri · 03-23-2005, 07:45 PM

Hi, I'm just curious as to what everyone's Mitigation and Avoidance numbers are. How do we compare to each other, and other tank classes?

I believe my numbers were

Level 27 SK - 1200+ and 55% unbuffed. With Zarn's Deadly Aura (Knight's Stance Upgrade), those numbers didn't change much, maybe +50 and +1%.

lbcre · 03-24-2005, 12:44 AM

lvl 35 with the same spells up and a 100 in agility gave me a 1550 mit and 62.9% avoidance with a kite shield on. As a side note my 37 INQ friend has similar gear but much less agi had a much higher mit but only an avoidance around 55%. My stats have looked low against some other peoples but I haven't seen it affect me. I can solo multiple yellow and even nighbloods that are lvl 40. This may be because these mobs are easy for con or because of our lifetaps. Either way I haven't really sweet it to much.

On a side note...I always suspected our buffs were marginal at best. Since the stat changes I've pretty much confirmed that. At one point yesterday I actually saw a stat go BACKWARDS after I cast one of our avoid/mit buffs. At this point I'm going all offensive buffs and wards only.

TheGeneral · 03-24-2005, 01:35 AM

I was curious about this myself. My wife is an inquisitor and we have almost identical gear other than I have a Kite shield and she only has an orb. Both of us at level 30 and she had a higher mitigation than I did, completely unbuffed. /boggle

jm212 · 03-24-2005, 02:16 AM

"other than I have a Kite shield and she only has an orb."

Do shields increase mitigation or avoidance? Could it be the orb gives a slight amount of mitigation while your shield gives a lot more avoidance?

Xiene · 03-24-2005, 02:21 AM

From what I know mitigations are directly effect by your armor. Add your total armor mitigation together = to your totaly mitigation. Mitigation buffs also effects it.

Note: Shield won't give you any mitigation, it is now a shield factor, which is same back in beta (?) i think, which determines the chance you'll block the incoming attack.

Avoidance on the other hand is effected by your shield (block rate (%)), defense skill, parry skill, deflection (which only monk has), their total average.. and then modify with agility *shrug* which only effect your base avoidance. So....break this down into:

Agility + Defense skill : Base avoidance

Parry skill : Parry rate

Shield Factor : Block rate (Use shield skill buff will benefit you using a shield as a higher lvl character)

Deflection : Monk only skill, need some input on this.

Ishnar · 03-24-2005, 04:39 AM

Moorgard said recently that now the avoidance and mitigation numbers are visible it has become evident there is a problem. He said that they will probably changing how the system works the bring them more in line with each other.

So I wouldn't go through too much trouble measuring the difference now.

Ishnar

Alarion1 · 03-24-2005, 07:12 PM

Would you happen to have a link to that thread handy, Ishnar? I would like to read his comments in context SMILEY

AironJe · 03-24-2005, 08:09 PM

Alarion1 wrote:
Would you happen to have a link to that thread handy, Ishnar? I would like to read his comments in context

HERE U GO /http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=13301#M13301

Moorgaurds response to seeing mit and avoiance on tanks

Message Edited by AironJedi on 03-24-2005 04:10 PM

Dliri · 03-24-2005, 10:05 PM

Thanks for the link.

Alarion1 · 03-25-2005, 07:24 AM

aye indeed. much appreciated!

03-24-2005, 01:35 AM	#3
TheGeneral Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: ATL Posts: 544	I was curious about this myself. My wife is an inquisitor and we have almost identical gear other than I have a Kite shield and she only has an orb. Both of us at level 30 and she had a higher mitigation than I did, completely unbuffed. /boggle __________________

03-24-2005, 07:12 PM	#7
Alarion1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 38	Would you happen to have a link to that thread handy, Ishnar? I would like to read his comments in context __________________ Dinaek Groffgar 42 Paladin - Mistwalkers - Antonia Bayle

03-24-2005, 08:09 PM	#8
AironJe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	Alarion1 wrote: Would you happen to have a link to that thread handy, Ishnar? I would like to read his comments in context HERE U GO /http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=13301#M13301 Moorgaurds response to seeing mit and avoiance on tanks Message Edited by AironJedi on 03-24-2005 04:10 PM __________________ Achulean Oldwan ShadowKnight "If they wont Obey they will die"Angels Of Death www.clanAOD.net

03-25-2005, 07:24 AM	#10
Alarion1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 38	aye indeed. much appreciated! __________________ Dinaek Groffgar 42 Paladin - Mistwalkers - Antonia Bayle

03-23-2005, 07:45 PM	#1
Dliri Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Hi, I'm just curious as to what everyone's Mitigation and Avoidance numbers are. How do we compare to each other, and other tank classes? I believe my numbers were Level 27 SK - 1200+ and 55% unbuffed. With Zarn's Deadly Aura (Knight's Stance Upgrade), those numbers didn't change much, maybe +50 and +1%.

03-24-2005, 12:44 AM	#2
lbcre Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	lvl 35 with the same spells up and a 100 in agility gave me a 1550 mit and 62.9% avoidance with a kite shield on. As a side note my 37 INQ friend has similar gear but much less agi had a much higher mit but only an avoidance around 55%. My stats have looked low against some other peoples but I haven't seen it affect me. I can solo multiple yellow and even nighbloods that are lvl 40. This may be because these mobs are easy for con or because of our lifetaps. Either way I haven't really sweet it to much. On a side note...I always suspected our buffs were marginal at best. Since the stat changes I've pretty much confirmed that. At one point yesterday I actually saw a stat go BACKWARDS after I cast one of our avoid/mit buffs. At this point I'm going all offensive buffs and wards only.

03-24-2005, 02:16 AM	#4
jm212 General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 24	"other than I have a Kite shield and she only has an orb." Do shields increase mitigation or avoidance? Could it be the orb gives a slight amount of mitigation while your shield gives a lot more avoidance?

03-24-2005, 02:21 AM	#5
Xiene Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 46	From what I know mitigations are directly effect by your armor. Add your total armor mitigation together = to your totaly mitigation. Mitigation buffs also effects it. Note: Shield won't give you any mitigation, it is now a shield factor, which is same back in beta (?) i think, which determines the chance you'll block the incoming attack. Avoidance on the other hand is effected by your shield (block rate (%)), defense skill, parry skill, deflection (which only monk has), their total average.. and then modify with agility shrug which only effect your base avoidance. So....break this down into: Agility + Defense skill : Base avoidance Parry skill : Parry rate Shield Factor : Block rate (Use shield skill buff will benefit you using a shield as a higher lvl character) Deflection : Monk only skill, need some input on this.

03-24-2005, 04:39 AM	#6
Ishnar Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 423	Moorgard said recently that now the avoidance and mitigation numbers are visible it has become evident there is a problem. He said that they will probably changing how the system works the bring them more in line with each other. So I wouldn't go through too much trouble measuring the difference now. Ishnar

03-24-2005, 10:05 PM	#9
Dliri Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Thanks for the link.