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12-19-2006, 01:29 AM
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Hello to all.Here is my question.I am thinking about getting a second account since my gaming hours are so strange that I rarely can group with guildies and so many pickup groups are just plain silly at times. So, I currently have a high lvl Brignad which I like a lot and I love soloing with him, I mean he kills fast but against multiple mobs, once he runs out of stuns he gets beaten down pretty fast, so here are my questions.1. Who is better solo vs multiple enemies: Bruiser or Brigand2. Which of those is a better choice for a Fury partner to fight Heroics/Named? TIA
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12-19-2006, 02:13 AM
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goes bruiser for nameds and soloing multiple mobs
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12-19-2006, 03:21 AM
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1) To me Bruiser hands down. Bruisers get 360 degree avoidance, where brigands only get frontal, which makes a big difference in incoming damage taken, and therefore survivability in multi-mob fights. 2) Toss up if it's a single mob fight, if there are adds or guards, see point 1. But as with all things YMMV. |
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12-19-2006, 03:30 AM
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We have been nerfed 15 times in the past year. Brigands what once!!?! Now who do you think is better at soloing.Next dumb question please....
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12-19-2006, 04:11 AM
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EDIT: im prolly gonna start one this weekend so nvm=]
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12-19-2006, 04:20 AM
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But...for other functions such as raiding & group utility, I think the brigand would be much more sought-after than a bruiser.
Message Edited by Doomhand on 12-18-2006 03:21 PM
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12-19-2006, 05:19 AM
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Brigs can solo any single mob we can and they can solo everything else that we can't (admittedly, there's not much that we can't.. but still). I'd say the main difference for soloing will be FD vs Stealth, giving us a bit more freedom. But stealth is safer wherever it works...For duoing I'd say bruiser just for group taunt and AEs, druids can't afford to have agro and it's important to keep mobs off them. Unless they're green mobs or something then it won't matter much. |
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12-19-2006, 06:04 AM
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Thank you for your responses...except for Thail: "Next dumb question please...." look, if you do not like people seeking wisdom then simply do not post here...really.I have usually heard about Zerker/Fury as being the best...is Zerker's DPS even comparable to Bruiser? I mean I have a Zerker and his DPS is just ok...but then he is kind of low (32)...any ideas there?I see it this way, in 1-10 (10 being the best) please correct me if I am wrong (again this is against multiple mobs...since once the Brig blows his stuns he gets hurt...and fast):Brigand= DPS 9, Defense 6Bruiser= DPS 7, defense 8Breserker= DPS 6, Defense 9This means that Bruiser is the good way to go to find a good duo median. Am I off here?
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12-19-2006, 06:07 AM
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I don't have a decent set of adornments for solo play, as I'm geared for raid and group play mostly (i solo fine anyways). I've played both Bruiser and Brigand, and I can say from experience it's far easier to solo as the Bruiser. Maybe with wicked heal poisons and master spells and full AA's, and the perfect strat, you can solo things as a brigand that a Bruiser would have a tough time or even fail against... However, where Brigands get all these special abilities that debuff mobs so you can do more damage, Bruisers get a bunch of special abilities to survive. I can't count how many times FD, Close Mind, and Stonedeaf have allowed me to solo situations, or get to a point where I can solo a named without adds, etc. I could say my Coercer can solo nearly anything in the game as long as I can stun/root or mez it... however that doesn't mean it's the most efficient, quick, or even fun. And as for Duoing named... unless it's some special one that still has uber avoidance cutting attacks, Bruiser will survive a lot better and bring plenty of DPS to the table to kill the mob fast. I duo with my wife's warden all the time. Defensive stance + Primal Instinct = full avoidance with 99% landing hits... that's a very good combo.
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12-19-2006, 06:11 AM
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Unless you are fighting orange con named, I'd put Bruiser at 9 or 10 defense. My brother plays a zerker, just as geared as I am, and we wiped on the final boss in OoB with him tanking. We switched to me tanking, (and I'm not even defense spec'd in AA's) and it was a cakewalk. Don't underestimate Heroic/Solo Avoidance of Bruisers because people whine about Epic Avoidance. Offense is about right, maybe closer to 8 if you have the right AA's, adornments and weapons. |
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12-19-2006, 06:14 AM
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My bad!I ment that Bruisers are ten times better at soloing. I wasnt clear at all there. Were so good at soloing that we have gotten nerfed over and over again. When you get attention like we do (from soloing ect..) you get nerfed.
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12-19-2006, 08:44 AM
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right now brigands are more efficient in terms of soloing named encounters with their interrupts and being able to kite a monster. now a bruiser could always invest in something to snare monsters, but im lazy.i know of brigands less geared and less mastered that can do many more named encounters than i can. one reason is that im still str line and i think that hurts us too much after eof release. i am missing all the extra avoidance from throwing 8pts into deflection and parry AA's. not to mention stats and procs from weapons. im hoping to get the two pvp weapons soon when i get enough status. the baton has hands down the best proc ever for pve. a ward for about 700 damage, 350 power heal or so, and some other effect i forgot.
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12-19-2006, 09:55 AM
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You obviously dont know me. Anyway. If you dont like it you can bite my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] :smileysurprised: You also have the right to say whatever you like about my comments and any dumb questions I have. But dont ever tell me not to post what I like. Its not your job. If a mod decides tom delete something I ahve said thats thier right.
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12-19-2006, 04:45 PM
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Brigands 3 stuns allowing you you get behind and dispatch , devitalize , Restrain + Double up (takes a HUGE chunk off) pop another stun hop over and unleash 3 rear attacks , stun again ... use haste + dps buffs for a quick burst during refresh and finish with a nuke 4 k ruse .. cake .. my brigand hardly gets touched. Im not saying what i can solo cos no doubt the trolls will start calling the nurfs again (hmnmm why not look at mages devs ! ) Brusier can do the same granted but you need ko combo up and to work clever to take em down anyways brusiers dont solo 10 times better is my point lol
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12-19-2006, 09:21 PM
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You obviously dont know me. Correct I do not.Anyway. If you dont like it you can bite my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]
 I did bite you and obviously it must have really hurt...waahhhYou also have the right to say whatever you like about my comments and any dumb questions I haveI did say something about your comment and then you cried. (...and there are no dumb qustions...at least not for people who wish to learn from those who may haev more experience)But dont ever tell me not to post what I like. Its not your job. If a mod decides tom delete something I ahve said thats thier right.You are correct here, so without telling you what to do I will ask you nicely not to please, pretty please make judgmental statements on what you think is or is not a dumb queston as that was not what pertained to my question.
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12-19-2006, 09:29 PM
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Ok as a level 70 of both I tend to like soloing with my bruiser more since FD will save you pretty much all the time and evac takes you so far away sometimes. However, with the Sta AA on my brig and Walk the plank I plow through named pretty well. I rarely if ever kite but unlike most I'll use our 4th stun which is a throw stun easily used when you can snare a group encounter by 80%. So 4 stuns, 1 turn the mob and hold, 4k mit, 50% avoid, heal and stun poisons soloing isn't the worst thing in the world, but adds are a huge problem as evac and Band of Thugs/Hideaway are your only hope. As far as traveling through an agro area without fighting, I like the bruiser. Too many mobs see invis, I can be immune to stuns and snares with bruiser, and if things get too ugly just fd for the win, plus the self heal is nice granted heal poison is good but you have to be hitting the mob. As for tanking for a group my Brig does better than my Bruiser again my avoidance is just slightly lower and my mit is higher plus I stun a lot and heal a lot when fighting. p.s. All that said EoF has made soloing a whole lot less fun anyway but what can one do but adapt. EoF = End of Fun Message Edited by Shidonya on 12-19-2006 08:41 AM |
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12-19-2006, 09:54 PM
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Unless I'm missing something , I don't think we get any group taunts. Also, on another point...I think brigs get FD as well, don't they? I see brigs FD all the time...I guess in that regard they beat us, as they get both FD & stealth.
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12-19-2006, 10:15 PM
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Hi Doomhand, you wrote: Also, on another point...I think brigs get FD as well, don't they? I see brigs FD all the time...I guess in that regard they beat us, as they get both FD & stealth.
Brigs do not have FD. What you see is the RUSE line at work. Teh Brig falls to the ground pretending to be at the death's door. The next mob that hits him makes the Brig spring into ation and the baddie gets skewered pretty bad...kind of Brigand's version of Assassin's big Backstabs. Since this skill looks like the Brig is FDing...people think that he can  Ok then, see I know that the Zerker is a better tank but I am really worried about the DPS when duoing with a Fury...you always hear Zerker+Fury is the BEST combo to handle tough stuff...is it really? I thought that my Brig would be great..and he is in many ways...but against multiple tough guys he just does not have that staying power.
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12-19-2006, 10:42 PM
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actually a brigand that take the final int line can get FD plus if the brigand is a tinkerer 100 he can make FD items
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Q - Named and epics get + to hit which makes avoidance tanking suck. A- Yes they do, and yes it does =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II ... Whats Amazing Reflexes ?? ....... =========================== |
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12-19-2006, 11:13 PM
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actually a brigand that take the final int line can get FD plus if the brigand is a tinkerer 100 he can make FD items
I stand corrected...I knew about that AA, just forgot but was not aware of FD items from tinkering. |
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12-19-2006, 11:35 PM
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Yep Brigs get FD in int line but a lot of points for a far less version of FD, isn't it 5 min recast 30 second fd? Any rate tinkerer thing I didn't know about. Personally I'm against so many classes having FD I didn't go Int line so my brig doesn't have it. But the tinkering thing would agrovate me if my main was my bruiser (/sarcasm on all in the name of class balance I suppose /sarcasm off).
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12-20-2006, 02:14 AM
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This is kind of off the subject...but I think any items that give skills that only certain classes have(evac, FD etc), and make these available to any class are LAME...grats to soe for continually marginalizing classes.
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12-20-2006, 03:05 AM
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A. I did not cry. I told you to bite my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]2. I made a judgment decision and I said to my self. Its a dumb question. If people seriously think a Brig can Solo better then a Bruiser. People dont know how to play a Bruiser. Brigs much more usefull on raids though :smileyhappy:Q. Bite my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]
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12-20-2006, 04:29 AM
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A. I did not cry. I told you to bite my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] And I am sure that this statement makes some kind of sense to you.2. I made a judgment decision and I said to my self. You made it to yourself but somehow typed it...makes little sense. Do you have full control over your extremities or do you type by telekinesis?Its a dumb question. If people seriously think a Brig can Solo better then a Bruiser. See, this is where I am starting to think that you are not all there in your head. If I have never played a Bruiser before HOW am I to know if it is the case or not, thus my original post. When there is something that I do not know...I ask.People dont know how to play a Bruiser. Brigs much more usefull on raids though
 Ok, so here is some insight, at least some.Q. Bite my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]Why, so you can cry again?
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12-20-2006, 05:46 AM
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Yeah we do. It's the green one. Unless 'group taunt' means something different to 'AoE taunt'. In which case we don't. Clear? :smileytongue:Anyway. Most of these responses have come from non-PvPers so I'll add a view from a PvP perspective: the Bruiser class suits me perfectly and despite all the nerfs we've had over the last couple of years I still think it's a versatile, challenging and fun class to play. However, for someone looking purely for the easiest time in PvP I'd say Swashies and Brigands are probably still the best classes to pick. They can out-DPS us, out-tank us (sometimes) and, of course, have all those nifty PvP-centric scout abilities. This was true pre-EoF and is more true now due to our recent nerfs.I also think the new Bruiser AA abilities are terribly unimaginitive and, compared to some of the incredible feats many of the other classes get, I think ours bring little in the way of an advantage in PvP or PvE.
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12-21-2006, 08:48 PM
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By that I guess you mean the 'jeer' line....when did that become AE?...Far as I know it's single target but just also has the interrupt factor in addition to taunt.
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12-27-2006, 07:38 PM
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I'm no rocket scientist tactician where this subject is concerned, so forgive me if I sound somewhat green, but I couldn't help but nod at the comment "people don't know how to play bruisers," and pay more attention to those who have legitimate experience with both classes.1. Doesn't playstyle have something to do with one's success as one or the other?2. Isn't it appropriate for someone looking to master one or the other or both to start new toons and compare first-hand?From a purely statistical point of view, I'd imagine SOE is trying to "flatten out the line," but it seems to me in my limited experience with a brig (up to low 30's) compared to my Bruiser that there were some "getting around the world" advantages to the stealthy nature of the brig, but I've never had the comfort and success with solo play like I have with my main (read: only serious) toon. That may be due to my own personal play style, of course.Just curious if anyone else has played other classes specifically as "research" to better understand our class and how we do what we do.
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12-29-2006, 01:59 AM
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It seems that OP is looking to combo with a Fury a lot. In that case please consider SK/Fury duo. Fury Int buff really makes the SK shine. Also almost impossible to kill due to SKs lifetap and Furys heals. It's just an alternative. SK also gets FD and evac and that will be excellent addition to utility of that duo (Fury has group invis and pact of Cheetah). Leshii
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12-29-2006, 03:26 PM
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Message Edited by DarkMirrax on 12-29-2006 10:28 AM
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