UFC 63

TS · 09-07-2006, 02:21 AM

-Matt Hughes (#1 Welterweight in the world)* vs. BJ Penn (#3 Welterweight)*---Hughes 1rd reff stopage
-David Loiseau vs. Mike Swick---------------------------------------------------------------Swick 2rd submission
-Jens Pulver vs. Joe Lauzon--- --------------------------------------------------------------Jens 1rd KO
-Jason Lambert vs. Rashad Evans----- ----------------------------------------------------Lambert Dec
-Melvin Guillard vs. Gabe Ruediger---- -----------------------------------------------------Melvin 1rd KO
-Tyson Griffin vs. David Lee---- --------------------------------------------------------------Tyson 1rd KO
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Danny Abaddi----- --------------------------------------------------------Jorge 1rd submission
-Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Mario Neto---- --------------------------------------------------------Gabriel Dec
-Roger Huerta vs. Jason Reinhardt----- ----------------------------------------------------Roger 2rd submission

Pnaxx · 09-07-2006, 08:11 AM

Huges v Penn = Penn V

Lois v Swick = Lois (aka the crow) V...lots of elbows

The rest I don't know enough of.

Thail · 09-07-2006, 08:19 AM

Pnaxx wrote:

Huges v Penn = Penn V

What are you smoking?

MakhailSamma · 09-07-2006, 10:49 AM

Hughs is a monster bro.. no chance of him losing.

Deeds · 09-07-2006, 05:51 PM

BJ Penn beat Hughes before but, I dont see him beating Hughes again.

Ronzul · 09-07-2006, 08:46 PM

I have to go with Hughes for the main event, like everyone else.

Don't see Swick beating Loisseau.

Any Rashad fight that goes to a decision goes to Mr. "Lay and Pray".

but...

TSaL wrote:

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-Jorge Gurgel vs. Danny Abaddi----- --------------------------------------------------------Jorge 1rd submission

Why, oh why, do we have to watch Danny Abaddi's beyond weak [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] get beaten down again? [Removed for Content] is Dana thinking here? They should bring Ed or Kendall into the PPV events against this guy. Hell, anybody else from season 3. It just sickens me to think that Danny Abaddi is getting paid to fight.

TS · 09-07-2006, 11:41 PM

Danny is a good kid but bad fighter at this point. He has good hands but nothing on the ground. The only way I see him winning this fight is if he can KO G. But most likely it will end in him getting submitted in the first round

Pnaxx · 09-08-2006, 02:45 AM

I know that Huges is a monster...but Penn is a monster too. He is actually better. Ye shall see.

Ronzul · 09-08-2006, 03:12 AM

That's pretty much what is said of everyone that gets a shot at Hughes.

The difference, of course, is that Penn beat Hughes however-many years ago, but that is what this fight is about - showing how far Hughes has come since then. I don't recall seeing much of Penn lately, so that one win seems to be the only thing that got him a title shot. Given that, I'd say that the UFC is betting on Hughes putting this part of his past well behind him.

Pnaxx · 09-08-2006, 03:30 AM

Ronzul, and everyone else....here is my lame pitch for Penn.

After spankin Huges, he went to Pride in Japan where the best mixed martial artists go to get the biggest paychecks. There he beat the worlds best fighters in his weight division. There is a fighter named Gomo from Japan who is a wrecking machine.....pretty much Gomo owned every fighter for years till Penn spanked him a few years ago.

Penn came outa now where to spank Huges...is kinda whay he does. He can bang on his feet and KO ye or use his black belt in Ju-Jitsu to use crazy submissions. He is called the Prodogy(sp) for a reason, he is sorta freaky in how good he is without looking like he is exerting alot of effort.

I will admit time may have taken a bit of toll over the years of him traveling around and spankin the best the world had to offer....but he really wants this win.

Higes has not really beaten the quality of fighter of a Penn. He sorta got a lucky submission with St Pierre in my opinion...though it was brilliant...I don't think that is the norm. Penn beat the crap outa St. Pierre in the first round of their fight and then sorta coasted fer some reason. I don't think that Penn will coast on this one and Huges has not seen his level of talent cept fer when he was beaten by him bad.

You can't train for Penn because he is too good and unique....Penn can find strong ground and pounders to sparr with a bit easier.

So, right or wrong, these are my reasons fer pickin Penn.:smileywink:

But I certainly respect Huges big time and anyone who would pick him...I see your points...I just see it a bit different.

Thail · 09-08-2006, 09:12 AM

Deedbit wrote:
BJ Penn beat Hughes before but, I dont see him beating Hughes again.

I agree. Sun shines on a dogs [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] once in a while. In 2 years Huges has gone further then any other fighter in that short of a period in history. He is the most natural athlete in this sport ever.I could spend all nite breaking down your posts for Penn winning. But I have better things to do. Ill post after the fight and rub it in.

Message Edited by Thail on 09-08-2006 01:13 AM

BiggDaddy · 09-08-2006, 11:09 AM

Hughes - ya, he lives right by me - seen him come in to work. Think people said he has a twin hehe

Baseliner · 09-08-2006, 03:36 PM

Hughes is the real-life Fabled raid-geared bruiser. He is so gonna stomp Penn. It's gonna be nothing like the last time they fought.I'd say Hughes about 2 minutes into the first round. If Herb Dean is ref, about 10 seconds in the first. Haha..

Message Edited by Baseliner on 09-08-2006 12:38 PM

Pnaxx · 09-08-2006, 05:07 PM

I will say this....If Penn wins, it could stop early, If Huges wins it would have to be by a decision.

:smileywink:

redvendet · 09-09-2006, 04:46 AM

I think a big factor in the Hughes vs BJ fight is if BJ bothers to take it seriously. He gassed in his fight with GSP wich I think was the major reason he didnt take the decision. BJ better come in the best shape of his life, you can bet Hughes will.

Ramglob · 09-14-2006, 10:37 AM

Penn will submit Hughes. Penn is built to beat Hughes. If you watch their first fight Penn actually outmuscles Hughes. Not because he is stronger (which he is obviously not), but because he is better on the ground then the master wrestler. BJ Penn is world class in BJJ. Hughes has been caught in submissions by Halman 2X Newton 1X and Penn 1X. Penn specializes in chokes. Hughes has a very hard time defending them. Penn is light years ahead of Newton and Halman in subs. Penn is also better on his feet then Hughes. Mark my words. Penn will destroy Matt. He is just built to beat a guy like Hughes. If you have ever watched Penn in BJJ tournies and his fight with the likes of Gomi and Renzo, he is downright scary on the ground. People that roll with him say he is absolutly frightening.

Message Edited by Ramglobal on 09-13-2006 11:44 PM

TS · 09-14-2006, 04:33 PM

Ram you could be right. But only if Penn comes in shape if he doesn't he will just get out worked by Matt. I think Matt has gotten better at all this fighting. Royce is a world BBJ Champ and he could not roll with Matt do you think Penn is better then Royce?

Thail · 09-14-2006, 06:06 PM

TSaL wrote:
do you think Penn is better then Royce?

Thank you !

Pnaxx · 09-14-2006, 08:12 PM

In my opinion....Pen n is light yers ahead of Royce. I have seen them both fight. Here is why I say this...

1. Royce was really only good when noone knew about BJJ. Since that time, he and his brothers/cousins have been beaten any way you can imagine in the MMA world. Royce has not been a force for a very very long time.

2. Penn on the other hand, is still killing the best people the MMA has at will without really traiing that hard. Penn has been fighting the top of the class over and over. He is beaten them over and over. Recently. He is beating people who know all about BJJ and is killin them.

So if you just look at their recent accomplishments, you will see there is no comparison tween any of the Gracies and Penn....Penn owns! And come very soon, if he trains, he will kill my man Huges (who I love).:smileywink:

TS · 09-17-2006, 08:21 PM

6 days and counting WOOT!!!

Pnaxx · 09-18-2006, 12:24 AM

Lets all get together and drink beer and watch the fight!:smileyvery-happy:

Deeds · 09-18-2006, 04:13 AM

Pnaxx wrote:

In my opinion....Pen n is light yers ahead of Royce. I have seen them both fight. Here is why I say this...

1. Royce was really only good when noone knew about BJJ. Since that time, he and his brothers/cousins have been beaten any way you can imagine in the MMA world. Royce has not been a force for a very very long time.

2. Penn on the other hand, is still killing the best people the MMA has at will without really traiing that hard. Penn has been fighting the top of the class over and over. He is beaten them over and over. Recently. He is beating people who know all about BJJ and is killin them.

So if you just look at their recent accomplishments, you will see there is no comparison tween any of the Gracies and Penn....Penn owns! And come very soon, if he trains, he will kill my man Huges (who I love).:smileywink:

Guy, in his prime, Royce would have killed Penn. Royce dominated the first 3 UFCs, when they had no weight classes, barely any rules, and fought 3 or 4 times in the same night to be declared champion. Also, didnt Penn just lose to St. Pierre recently???

MakhailSamma · 09-18-2006, 06:43 AM

Deedbit wrote:

Pnaxx wrote:

In my opinion....Pen n is light yers ahead of Royce. I have seen them both fight. Here is why I say this...

1. Royce was really only good when noone knew about BJJ. Since that time, he and his brothers/cousins have been beaten any way you can imagine in the MMA world. Royce has not been a force for a very very long time.

2. Penn on the other hand, is still killing the best people the MMA has at will without really traiing that hard. Penn has been fighting the top of the class over and over. He is beaten them over and over. Recently. He is beating people who know all about BJJ and is killin them.

So if you just look at their recent accomplishments, you will see there is no comparison tween any of the Gracies and Penn....Penn owns! And come very soon, if he trains, he will kill my man Huges (who I love).:smileywink:

Guy, in his prime, Royce would have killed Penn. Royce dominated the first 3 UFCs, when they had no weight classes, barely any rules, and fought 3 or 4 times in the same night to be declared champion. Also, didnt Penn just lose to St. Pierre recently???

St. Pierre is prob one of (if not the) best fighters in the UFC today.

Spinning back kicks FTFW

redvendet · 09-18-2006, 07:18 AM

Hughes beat St. Pierre St. Pierre beat BJ Penn BJ Penn beat Hughes and Hughes beat the [Removed for Content] out of Royce and Blah Blah Blah.

If BJ shows up in shape and hungry it will be a good fight.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8709995465411132632&q=bj+penn

Props to Royce he made the need for good ground skills a fact of life in MMA.

MMA has evolved beyond Royce......get over it.

Pnaxx · 09-18-2006, 06:36 PM

Hehe, I love it...here I have a screen name and I need to be called "Guy".:smileytongue:

Sounds like someones pride is getting hurt in our fun discussion.

We shall soon see. The thing is, I love Huges, he is one of my favorite fighters and , to be honest, will be happy if he wins.....I want him to win. I just don't see it happening. I have explained some of my reasons and we will just wait to see a great matchup that hopefully turns into a great fight. But if you look at Penns, when he loses it ain't by much.....where my boy Huges has lost by submissions in the past...and in recent history.

Blah blah....hehe

But you point about Gracie......I just respectively dissagree is all. He was great when no one knew about his style of fighting.....NOW EVERYONE KNOWS HIS STYLE OF FIGHTING.....and since that time, him and his brothers are not the top fighters in the world any more. And really, it's been quite a while since they were. I watched Sakuraba kick the [Removed for Content] out of most of them himself over in Pride. The Gracies are now more of a side show over in the Bushido competitions. Gracies don't fight in any of the big events any more...Pride and UFC.

So I respect Royce, he blew my mind too. I have followed this stuff since UFC1 and have watched it evolve. It's ben real interesting. But the Brazilians as a whole have been knocked off their pedastool as a whole, and now only the best Brazilian fighters are the cream of the crop....just like the rest of the world.

Russians(Eastern European), Canadians, Dutch, American, Japaneese, all of them and more have moved up and now are really taken over.LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!

Pnaxx · 09-18-2006, 10:53 PM

I just saw that video, it reconfirmed that the "Crow" is a notch above the rest...including Swick...except for Franklin who owned him! Also, I will try to find some Penn stuff.

Pnaxx · 09-18-2006, 11:05 PM

Gah...can't edit my last post to include this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHN_yYYYzY&mode=related&search=BJ%20Penn%20Duane%20Ludwig%20UFC%20K1%20Mix ed%20Martial%20Arts%20Pride%20Fighting%20Knockouts %20Submissions

This a Penn fight, him fighting one of the best fighters in the world..Gomi. Here are Gomi's records...

27 November 1998 Hiroshi Tsuruya Las Grandes Viajes 6 Win
15 January 1999 Kazumichi Takada Devilock Win
28 March 1999 Takuya Kuwabara Renaxis 1 Win
1 June 1999 Stephen Pawling SuperBrawl 12 Win
5 September 1999 Takuya Kuwabara Renaxis 4 Win
11 December 1999 Johnny Eduardo Vale Tudo Win
2 April 2000 Anderson Pacao R.E.A.D. 3 Win
16 July 2000 Paul Rodriguez R.E.A.D. 6 Win
12 November 2000 Ryan Bow R.E.A.D. 12 Win
16 December 2000 Rumina Sato To The Top Win
29 June 2002 Leonardo Santos Treasure Hunt 7 Win
16 September 2002 Chris Brennan Treasure Hunt 10 Win
14 December 2002 Dokonjonosuke Mishima 2002 Year End Show Win
23 February 2003 Nick Ertl Korakuen Hall Win
10 August 2003 Joachim Hansen Yokohama Gymnasium Loss
10 October 2003 B.J. Penn Rumble on the Rock 4 Loss
15 February 2004 Jadson Costa Bushido 2 Win
23 May 2004 Ralph Gracie Bushido 3 Win
19 July 2004 Fabio Mello Bushido 4 Win
14 October 2004 Charles Bennett Bushido 5 Win
31 December 2004 Jens Pulver Shockwave 2004 Win
22 May 2005 Luiz Azeredo Bushido 7 Win
17 July 2005 Jean Silva Bushido 8 Win
25 September 2005 Tatsuya Kawajiri Bushido 9 Win
25 September 2005 Luiz Azeredo Bushido 9 Win
31 December 2005 Hayato Sakurai Shockwave 2005 Win
2 April 2006 Marcus Aurelio Bushido 10 Loss

Special Notes:
·Gomi won thirteen MMA matches in a row from November of 1998 to February 2003. The bulk of these were won by unanimous decision.
·Gomi became the Shooto World Welterweight Champion in 2001.
·The Fireball Kid won the quickest match in PRIDE history during Bushido 3 with only a six second first round.
·At Bushido 7, Gomi was condemned by most after he continued to attack his unconscious opponent.
·Gomi won PRIDE's Lightweight Division Championship Belt at Shockwave 2005.

Deeds · 09-24-2006, 05:15 PM

"Pnaxx" , well well. Hate to say we told you so, but we told so.

Enough about the "prodigy" now, please. Thank you, and have a nice day.

Irol · 09-25-2006, 08:39 AM

Penn lost because he had crappy conditioning.. Hughes got lucky because Penn almost dominated em but he burned all his energy trying to choke him out at the end of the first round. Plus Hughes showed his true colors talking afterwards too when he almost lost and talked trash about Penn instead of being a good sport. Either way Penn needs better conditioning and Hughes got lucky, garbage wins ftl..

Pnaxx · 09-25-2006, 07:57 PM

Ya...Penn lost...but I love Hugh's so I am happy. But you gotta admit, when Penn was on, he looked pretty good for someone who barely trains.:smileyvery-happy:

Anyway...Hugh's is a stud and regardless of Penn giving him the fight due to conditioning, he is still a stud who, when it was time, took out Penn.

*goes back to eating humble pie*

09-07-2006, 10:49 AM	#4
MakhailSamma General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 349	Hughs is a monster bro.. no chance of him losing. __________________

09-07-2006, 08:46 PM	#6
Ronzul Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 60	I have to go with Hughes for the main event, like everyone else. Don't see Swick beating Loisseau. Any Rashad fight that goes to a decision goes to Mr. "Lay and Pray". but... TSaL wrote: ... -Jorge Gurgel vs. Danny Abaddi----- --------------------------------------------------------Jorge 1rd submission Why, oh why, do we have to watch Danny Abaddi's beyond weak [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] get beaten down again? [Removed for Content] is Dana thinking here? They should bring Ed or Kendall into the PPV events against this guy. Hell, anybody else from season 3. It just sickens me to think that Danny Abaddi is getting paid to fight.

09-08-2006, 09:12 AM	#11
Thail Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 181	Deedbit wrote: BJ Penn beat Hughes before but, I dont see him beating Hughes again. I agree. Sun shines on a dogs [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] once in a while. In 2 years Huges has gone further then any other fighter in that short of a period in history. He is the most natural athlete in this sport ever.I could spend all nite breaking down your posts for Penn winning. But I have better things to do. Ill post after the fight and rub it in. Message Edited by Thail on 09-08-2006 01:13 AM __________________

09-14-2006, 06:06 PM	#18
Thail Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 181	TSaL wrote: do you think Penn is better then Royce? Thank you ! __________________

09-18-2006, 04:13 AM	#22
Deeds Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 116	Pnaxx wrote: In my opinion....Pen n is light yers ahead of Royce. I have seen them both fight. Here is why I say this... 1. Royce was really only good when noone knew about BJJ. Since that time, he and his brothers/cousins have been beaten any way you can imagine in the MMA world. Royce has not been a force for a very very long time. 2. Penn on the other hand, is still killing the best people the MMA has at will without really traiing that hard. Penn has been fighting the top of the class over and over. He is beaten them over and over. Recently. He is beating people who know all about BJJ and is killin them. So if you just look at their recent accomplishments, you will see there is no comparison tween any of the Gracies and Penn....Penn owns! And come very soon, if he trains, he will kill my man Huges (who I love).:smileywink: Guy, in his prime, Royce would have killed Penn. Royce dominated the first 3 UFCs, when they had no weight classes, barely any rules, and fought 3 or 4 times in the same night to be declared champion. Also, didnt Penn just lose to St. Pierre recently???

09-07-2006, 02:21 AM	#1
TS Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	-Matt Hughes (#1 Welterweight in the world)* vs. BJ Penn (#3 Welterweight)*---Hughes 1rd reff stopage -David Loiseau vs. Mike Swick---------------------------------------------------------------Swick 2rd submission -Jens Pulver vs. Joe Lauzon--- --------------------------------------------------------------Jens 1rd KO -Jason Lambert vs. Rashad Evans----- ----------------------------------------------------Lambert Dec -Melvin Guillard vs. Gabe Ruediger---- -----------------------------------------------------Melvin 1rd KO -Tyson Griffin vs. David Lee---- --------------------------------------------------------------Tyson 1rd KO -Jorge Gurgel vs. Danny Abaddi----- --------------------------------------------------------Jorge 1rd submission -Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Mario Neto---- --------------------------------------------------------Gabriel Dec -Roger Huerta vs. Jason Reinhardt----- ----------------------------------------------------Roger 2rd submission

09-07-2006, 08:11 AM	#2
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	Huges v Penn = Penn V Lois v Swick = Lois (aka the crow) V...lots of elbows The rest I don't know enough of.

09-07-2006, 08:19 AM	#3
Thail Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 181	Pnaxx wrote: Huges v Penn = Penn V What are you smoking? __________________

09-07-2006, 05:51 PM	#5
Deeds Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 116	BJ Penn beat Hughes before but, I dont see him beating Hughes again.

09-07-2006, 11:41 PM	#7
TS Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	Danny is a good kid but bad fighter at this point. He has good hands but nothing on the ground. The only way I see him winning this fight is if he can KO G. But most likely it will end in him getting submitted in the first round

09-08-2006, 02:45 AM	#8
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	I know that Huges is a monster...but Penn is a monster too. He is actually better. Ye shall see.

09-08-2006, 03:12 AM	#9
Ronzul Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 60	That's pretty much what is said of everyone that gets a shot at Hughes. The difference, of course, is that Penn beat Hughes however-many years ago, but that is what this fight is about - showing how far Hughes has come since then. I don't recall seeing much of Penn lately, so that one win seems to be the only thing that got him a title shot. Given that, I'd say that the UFC is betting on Hughes putting this part of his past well behind him.

09-08-2006, 03:30 AM	#10
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	Ronzul, and everyone else....here is my lame pitch for Penn. After spankin Huges, he went to Pride in Japan where the best mixed martial artists go to get the biggest paychecks. There he beat the worlds best fighters in his weight division. There is a fighter named Gomo from Japan who is a wrecking machine.....pretty much Gomo owned every fighter for years till Penn spanked him a few years ago. Penn came outa now where to spank Huges...is kinda whay he does. He can bang on his feet and KO ye or use his black belt in Ju-Jitsu to use crazy submissions. He is called the Prodogy(sp) for a reason, he is sorta freaky in how good he is without looking like he is exerting alot of effort. I will admit time may have taken a bit of toll over the years of him traveling around and spankin the best the world had to offer....but he really wants this win. Higes has not really beaten the quality of fighter of a Penn. He sorta got a lucky submission with St Pierre in my opinion...though it was brilliant...I don't think that is the norm. Penn beat the crap outa St. Pierre in the first round of their fight and then sorta coasted fer some reason. I don't think that Penn will coast on this one and Huges has not seen his level of talent cept fer when he was beaten by him bad. You can't train for Penn because he is too good and unique....Penn can find strong ground and pounders to sparr with a bit easier. So, right or wrong, these are my reasons fer pickin Penn.:smileywink: But I certainly respect Huges big time and anyone who would pick him...I see your points...I just see it a bit different.

09-08-2006, 11:09 AM	#12
BiggDaddy Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6	Hughes - ya, he lives right by me - seen him come in to work. Think people said he has a twin hehe

09-08-2006, 03:36 PM	#13
Baseliner Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 17	Hughes is the real-life Fabled raid-geared bruiser. He is so gonna stomp Penn. It's gonna be nothing like the last time they fought.I'd say Hughes about 2 minutes into the first round. If Herb Dean is ref, about 10 seconds in the first. Haha.. Message Edited by Baseliner on 09-08-2006 12:38 PM

09-08-2006, 05:07 PM	#14
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	I will say this....If Penn wins, it could stop early, If Huges wins it would have to be by a decision. :smileywink:

09-09-2006, 04:46 AM	#15
redvendet Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21	I think a big factor in the Hughes vs BJ fight is if BJ bothers to take it seriously. He gassed in his fight with GSP wich I think was the major reason he didnt take the decision. BJ better come in the best shape of his life, you can bet Hughes will.

09-14-2006, 10:37 AM	#16
Ramglob General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 96	Penn will submit Hughes. Penn is built to beat Hughes. If you watch their first fight Penn actually outmuscles Hughes. Not because he is stronger (which he is obviously not), but because he is better on the ground then the master wrestler. BJ Penn is world class in BJJ. Hughes has been caught in submissions by Halman 2X Newton 1X and Penn 1X. Penn specializes in chokes. Hughes has a very hard time defending them. Penn is light years ahead of Newton and Halman in subs. Penn is also better on his feet then Hughes. Mark my words. Penn will destroy Matt. He is just built to beat a guy like Hughes. If you have ever watched Penn in BJJ tournies and his fight with the likes of Gomi and Renzo, he is downright scary on the ground. People that roll with him say he is absolutly frightening. Message Edited by Ramglobal on 09-13-2006 11:44 PM

09-14-2006, 04:33 PM	#17
TS Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	Ram you could be right. But only if Penn comes in shape if he doesn't he will just get out worked by Matt. I think Matt has gotten better at all this fighting. Royce is a world BBJ Champ and he could not roll with Matt do you think Penn is better then Royce?

09-14-2006, 08:12 PM	#19
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	In my opinion....Pen n is light yers ahead of Royce. I have seen them both fight. Here is why I say this... 1. Royce was really only good when noone knew about BJJ. Since that time, he and his brothers/cousins have been beaten any way you can imagine in the MMA world. Royce has not been a force for a very very long time. 2. Penn on the other hand, is still killing the best people the MMA has at will without really traiing that hard. Penn has been fighting the top of the class over and over. He is beaten them over and over. Recently. He is beating people who know all about BJJ and is killin them. So if you just look at their recent accomplishments, you will see there is no comparison tween any of the Gracies and Penn....Penn owns! And come very soon, if he trains, he will kill my man Huges (who I love).:smileywink:

09-17-2006, 08:21 PM	#20
TS Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	6 days and counting WOOT!!!

09-18-2006, 12:24 AM	#21
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	Lets all get together and drink beer and watch the fight!:smileyvery-happy:

09-18-2006, 06:43 AM	#23
MakhailSamma General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 349	Deedbit wrote: Pnaxx wrote: In my opinion....Pen n is light yers ahead of Royce. I have seen them both fight. Here is why I say this... 1. Royce was really only good when noone knew about BJJ. Since that time, he and his brothers/cousins have been beaten any way you can imagine in the MMA world. Royce has not been a force for a very very long time. 2. Penn on the other hand, is still killing the best people the MMA has at will without really traiing that hard. Penn has been fighting the top of the class over and over. He is beaten them over and over. Recently. He is beating people who know all about BJJ and is killin them. So if you just look at their recent accomplishments, you will see there is no comparison tween any of the Gracies and Penn....Penn owns! And come very soon, if he trains, he will kill my man Huges (who I love).:smileywink: Guy, in his prime, Royce would have killed Penn. Royce dominated the first 3 UFCs, when they had no weight classes, barely any rules, and fought 3 or 4 times in the same night to be declared champion. Also, didnt Penn just lose to St. Pierre recently??? St. Pierre is prob one of (if not the) best fighters in the UFC today. Spinning back kicks FTFW __________________

09-18-2006, 07:18 AM	#24
redvendet Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21	Hughes beat St. Pierre St. Pierre beat BJ Penn BJ Penn beat Hughes and Hughes beat the [Removed for Content] out of Royce and Blah Blah Blah. If BJ shows up in shape and hungry it will be a good fight. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8709995465411132632&q=bj+penn Props to Royce he made the need for good ground skills a fact of life in MMA. MMA has evolved beyond Royce......get over it.

09-18-2006, 06:36 PM	#25
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	Hehe, I love it...here I have a screen name and I need to be called "Guy".:smileytongue: Sounds like someones pride is getting hurt in our fun discussion. We shall soon see. The thing is, I love Huges, he is one of my favorite fighters and , to be honest, will be happy if he wins.....I want him to win. I just don't see it happening. I have explained some of my reasons and we will just wait to see a great matchup that hopefully turns into a great fight. But if you look at Penns, when he loses it ain't by much.....where my boy Huges has lost by submissions in the past...and in recent history. Blah blah....hehe But you point about Gracie......I just respectively dissagree is all. He was great when no one knew about his style of fighting.....NOW EVERYONE KNOWS HIS STYLE OF FIGHTING.....and since that time, him and his brothers are not the top fighters in the world any more. And really, it's been quite a while since they were. I watched Sakuraba kick the [Removed for Content] out of most of them himself over in Pride. The Gracies are now more of a side show over in the Bushido competitions. Gracies don't fight in any of the big events any more...Pride and UFC. So I respect Royce, he blew my mind too. I have followed this stuff since UFC1 and have watched it evolve. It's ben real interesting. But the Brazilians as a whole have been knocked off their pedastool as a whole, and now only the best Brazilian fighters are the cream of the crop....just like the rest of the world. Russians(Eastern European), Canadians, Dutch, American, Japaneese, all of them and more have moved up and now are really taken over.LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!

09-18-2006, 10:53 PM	#26
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	I just saw that video, it reconfirmed that the "Crow" is a notch above the rest...including Swick...except for Franklin who owned him! Also, I will try to find some Penn stuff.

09-18-2006, 11:05 PM	#27
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	Gah...can't edit my last post to include this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHN_yYYYzY&mode=related&search=BJ%20Penn%20Duane%20Ludwig%20UFC%20K1%20Mix ed%20Martial%20Arts%20Pride%20Fighting%20Knockouts %20Submissions This a Penn fight, him fighting one of the best fighters in the world..Gomi. Here are Gomi's records... 27 November 1998 Hiroshi Tsuruya Las Grandes Viajes 6 Win 15 January 1999 Kazumichi Takada Devilock Win 28 March 1999 Takuya Kuwabara Renaxis 1 Win 1 June 1999 Stephen Pawling SuperBrawl 12 Win 5 September 1999 Takuya Kuwabara Renaxis 4 Win 11 December 1999 Johnny Eduardo Vale Tudo Win 2 April 2000 Anderson Pacao R.E.A.D. 3 Win 16 July 2000 Paul Rodriguez R.E.A.D. 6 Win 12 November 2000 Ryan Bow R.E.A.D. 12 Win 16 December 2000 Rumina Sato To The Top Win 29 June 2002 Leonardo Santos Treasure Hunt 7 Win 16 September 2002 Chris Brennan Treasure Hunt 10 Win 14 December 2002 Dokonjonosuke Mishima 2002 Year End Show Win 23 February 2003 Nick Ertl Korakuen Hall Win 10 August 2003 Joachim Hansen Yokohama Gymnasium Loss 10 October 2003 B.J. Penn Rumble on the Rock 4 Loss 15 February 2004 Jadson Costa Bushido 2 Win 23 May 2004 Ralph Gracie Bushido 3 Win 19 July 2004 Fabio Mello Bushido 4 Win 14 October 2004 Charles Bennett Bushido 5 Win 31 December 2004 Jens Pulver Shockwave 2004 Win 22 May 2005 Luiz Azeredo Bushido 7 Win 17 July 2005 Jean Silva Bushido 8 Win 25 September 2005 Tatsuya Kawajiri Bushido 9 Win 25 September 2005 Luiz Azeredo Bushido 9 Win 31 December 2005 Hayato Sakurai Shockwave 2005 Win 2 April 2006 Marcus Aurelio Bushido 10 Loss Special Notes: ·Gomi won thirteen MMA matches in a row from November of 1998 to February 2003. The bulk of these were won by unanimous decision. ·Gomi became the Shooto World Welterweight Champion in 2001. ·The Fireball Kid won the quickest match in PRIDE history during Bushido 3 with only a six second first round. ·At Bushido 7, Gomi was condemned by most after he continued to attack his unconscious opponent. ·Gomi won PRIDE's Lightweight Division Championship Belt at Shockwave 2005.

09-24-2006, 05:15 PM	#28
Deeds Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 116	"Pnaxx" , well well. Hate to say we told you so, but we told so. Enough about the "prodigy" now, please. Thank you, and have a nice day.

09-25-2006, 08:39 AM	#29
Irol General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 39	Penn lost because he had crappy conditioning.. Hughes got lucky because Penn almost dominated em but he burned all his energy trying to choke him out at the end of the first round. Plus Hughes showed his true colors talking afterwards too when he almost lost and talked trash about Penn instead of being a good sport. Either way Penn needs better conditioning and Hughes got lucky, garbage wins ftl.. __________________

09-25-2006, 07:57 PM	#30
Pnaxx Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,124	Ya...Penn lost...but I love Hugh's so I am happy. But you gotta admit, when Penn was on, he looked pretty good for someone who barely trains.:smileyvery-happy: Anyway...Hugh's is a stud and regardless of Penn giving him the fight due to conditioning, he is still a stud who, when it was time, took out Penn. goes back to eating humble pie