Bruisers are the most overpowered class in PVP in EQ2

excellion · 07-08-2006, 02:40 AM

High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.

baconkil · 07-08-2006, 03:15 AM

I play a bruiser on nagafen and would agree that they are a strong pvp class but no where near the strongest. All the dps scout classes own us hands down simply cuz they have track, evac and stealth. While I can beat all scouts, except for swashies (en garde hurts...), they are much better at finding and killing prey without it escaping. When I am solo I have to hope i can kill them fast or they can just run away due to having no way to snare them or root them, if I can even find them to begin with. SImply if they aren't a caster and they don't want to fight me, I'm not going to kill them before they zone, fly or whatever.Overall I would say the strongest pvp class by far in solo situations is brigand. They have it all, from massive debuffs, snares, track... For group pvp a guardian or beserker can dominate. Beserker with their aoe taunting ability and guardian for the beating they can take while the rest of his group kills everyone. Bruiser has one 20 sec aoe taunt so it is hard, if not impossible, to lock down people.

Nolomite · 07-08-2006, 03:17 AM

What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response,

My response? This is the sort of post someone makes when they want to see a specific class nerfed. Simple enough.

Zigmun · 07-08-2006, 03:24 AM

I guess your post count says it all. It's obvious you don't really know what you are talking about.

Swashies, Brigands, Dirges, Monks are all very very strong pvp classes.

I won't argue that Bruisers are a strong pvp class, but overpowered - hardly.

Learn the game before making dumb posts.

J4k · 07-08-2006, 03:26 AM

excellion wrote:
High DPS? Check.
High Avoidance? Check.
Self Heals? Check.
Taunting Abilities? Check.
High HP? Check.
High Resists? Check.
Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.
Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.
Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.

What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.

Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).

What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.

You shoulda kept your post count at 15. i dunno about the rest of your posts but number 16 is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and pointless. PVP doesnt define this game nor has it even been around for that long. Stop trying to get things nerfed because you suck at pvp ( assuming your not a bruiser ) There are alot of other classes that can beat a bruiser especially on a pvp server compared to /dueling on normal servers.

ganjookie · 07-08-2006, 03:39 AM

Its Fine, go back to your reddie server, carebear

RustyB · 07-08-2006, 04:14 AM

we got 3 stuns and no stifles not including AA's is that considered tons?

ganjookie · 07-08-2006, 04:17 AM

I would say a ton = 2000 stunsmaybe when the cap gets up and close to level 200 we might be close, but I doubt it

excellion · 07-08-2006, 04:51 AM

Typical 13 year old E-Thug attitude...such a shame. Play a class that takes skill.

Owa · 07-08-2006, 07:12 AM

Bruisers are a great PvP class - just like they are a great PvE class. But in both cases they are great because they are 'jack of all trades masters of none'.

If you want the most powerful solo class it's going to be a scout, especially Brigand. Aside from their huge DPS and ability to take decent hits, you can't overstate the importance of track, evac and stealth in solo play. You can judge the effectiveness of Scout classes by taking a look at the PvP leaderboards.

If you want a class that really shines in group play, Guardians and Berserkers arguably have more to offer as tanks - both can keep the opposing team locked down a hell of a lot better, especially the Guardian, and the Berserkers AoE is far more powerful. Bruisers' single-target DPS is better , of course, but as you play more PvP you'll discover that group aggro and AoEs become far more important. If I were putting together an uber PvP group I'd have a Guardian tank and let my DPS come from Assassins and Warlocks.

The OP mentioned he'd not fought a lvl 70 Bruiser; perhaps you should reserve judgement until you have seen how the classes work across all the levels - not just the ones you've experienced.

Edit: I just reread your post to see Shadownights on your list of overpowered classes. This is ridiculous - apart from Harm Touch, Shadowknights are anything but overpowered in PvP. I get the impression you haven't played very much and just don't generally know what you're talking about.

Message Edited by annaspider on 07-07-2006 11:19 PM

J4k · 07-08-2006, 08:25 AM

excellion wrote:
Typical 13 year old E-Thug attitude...such a shame.

Play a class that takes skill.

Typical "I suck at this game" attitude... such a shame

Why dont you go get some skill and stop crying that you suck.

Kadon_Najena · 07-08-2006, 12:38 PM

Why don't you just make a Bruiser instead of complaining about them. Your gunna get us all nerfed /cry.

Pauleh · 07-08-2006, 02:10 PM

excellion wrote:
High DPS? Check.
High Avoidance? Check.
Self Heals? Check.
Taunting Abilities? Check.
High HP? Check.
High Resists? Check.
Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.
Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.
Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.

What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.

Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).

What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.

Bruisers arnt that powerful, only if a bruiser has been twinked then its overpowered.

Pauleh · 07-08-2006, 02:11 PM

excellion wrote:
High DPS? Check.
High Avoidance? Check.
Self Heals? Check.
Taunting Abilities? Check.
High HP? Check.
High Resists? Check.
Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.
Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.
Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.

What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.

Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).

What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.

Just seen this part, your either a idiot or you really did get owned by a bruiser, QQ more SMILEY

TheSummoned · 07-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Insane AoE knockbacks? :smileyindifferent: Why don't you try playing the class before passing on judgement about a class you obviously don't know a lot about. A rogue can have as much taunting abilites as a bruiser...

Raidi Sovin'faile · 07-08-2006, 03:15 PM

Hmmm.. half the posts you've made have been in locked threads that you started. Or moved because you don't know how to post.

So already, I'm not exactly hanging on your every word as if it's gospel.

Second... what the heck are your talking about?

High DPS? Others have higher. Other tanks come close or equal.

High Avoidance? Many properly equipped fighters are only 10-15% behind, and can have limited blocking 360 degrees with the right AAs (actually many folks can get that with AA... hell my coercer can get that).

Self Heals? Yeah, once every 90s, hardly the healing power of even other fighters (pallies and Sk's both have better than that).

Taunting Abilities? Every other tank has better taunting than us, even monks.

High HP? Once again, others have more than us... I've seen scouts that have just as much. Stats on items come in melee or caster, but
they ALL give Stamina. Most melee folks are within 500 hp of each other unless they are specifically buffed for hitpoints. The only people were beat out in excess are mages, followed by priests. Scouts can be right behind us.

High Resists? What? We don't even have a wisdom buff, and with the new stat spreads on items, most of us are running around with base 20 Wisdom. Maybe you mean our 20s 3 hit absorption every 3 minutes? One dot eats through that in three ticks, then BAM Ice comet. We have decent poison resist and that's about it.

Insane AOE Knockbacks? Please tell me where to get this ability, as I'd absolutely love it. IF we do the Wisdom AA line we get ONE ability that has a knockdown in AE form. Otherwise we have 3 knockdowns on single target. Are you getting us confused with another class?

Tons of stuns and stifles? We don't even have stifles. We have 3 stuns and one daze, and they are all a couple seconds long. Knockout Combo can be nasty, once in a blue moon.. but it's mainly used for DPS, and to get it's full effect, we have to drain 25-33% of our power in CAs. Once again... many other classes gets stuns, like brigands for instance... and we are hardly the ones with the most or the longest. Hell... until the update, Zerkers had as many stuns as us, and some were AoE (that lasted 7s!)

Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? You say this isn't about "someone killing you", and yet you bring this up? Obviously you have some issues... and I'm not even sure you know which class you are upset at.

Most of the things you bring up, others can do most of them better (scouts are better at most, and good enough at the rest, most fighters are better at everything except slightly in DPS and avoidance). You mention abilities we don't even have, or that others can do better. Is it even Bruisers you are are talking about here? Or a mish-mash of Monk, Bruiser, Zerker, Guardian and some scouts?

I'd say actually try the class and see just how "overpowered" it is... but I don't want you touching it honestly. That, and going by your track record, I don't think you could learn anyways.

You know... now I know what your attitude reminds me of. Smacktards from PvP focused games! It's people like you that drove my friends from WoW to EQ. What'd you do, hear that EQ had PvP and come over here? You might have a better time mouthing off to others that can appreciate this junk.

I hate to admit it... but PvP can bring out the worst in people. I love PvP to death, and know plenty of folks that can be great to play with and against in it (in this game or any other PvP setting). But PvP seems like a giant dirty toilet that draws [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] holes like moths to a flame...

My advice? Leave. You'll find more enjoyment playing some other game designed primarily for PvP, instead of whining about something you don't even fully understand here.

Raidi Sovin'faile · 07-08-2006, 03:18 PM

TheSummoned wrote:
Insane AoE knockbacks? :smileyindifferent:

Why don't you try playing the class before passing on judgement about a class you obviously don't know a lot about.

A rogue can have as much taunting abilites as a bruiser...

That is so true! A Rogue that goes down the Stamina AA line has just as many taunts as we do, although minus the proc'ing one.

And he'll have more mitigation and nearly as much avoidance as us, ha! Gotta love the Brigand that goes down Int and Stamina... he has avoidance, taunts, and can FD (while also avoiding any AoE not directly targetted)... with all his other "scout only" goodies.

CosmicAcidGu · 07-08-2006, 07:19 PM

sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser. But not only that, seems you also get owned on the forum. if your posting skills are as good as your playing skills, I'm sure any class and not just bruiser drop you like a fly. You say bruisers have tons of stuns and stifles? no stifles. and only few stuns. insane AOE knockbacks? ME WANTS! I suppose you mixed bruisers up with another class. High Resists? wow, you sure have good class knowledge. We don't have a single ability to increase our resists. But now honestly, I'm very sorry you constantly get owned in this game just because you play a class that takes skill (whichever that is). But apparently you're lacking it, otherwise you wouldn't complain. Ever noticed that bruisers can't take down healers? or any class that has evac and is not a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] player? before you start stupid posts on the bruiser forum again, you should check if the stuff you claim is actually correct. Finni / Finnster

littleman17 · 07-08-2006, 08:29 PM

I may not play PvP, and have only raised my Bruiser to level 50... I can honestly say tyat I have a good feel for the class. (granted I don't know it as good as my ranger)

If a person can survive our initial onslaught of CA... because the majority of our recast timers take forever, we are SoL. The only techs we have on a decent recast timer are the Pummel and Roundhouse line... and they both have such a wide range of dmg (from like 80-240 at level 50), that they hardly do anything at all.

blueduckie · 07-08-2006, 11:10 PM

Not many classes can survive opening onslaught by a bruiser or monk really unless its a plate tank or they used emergency heal form if a healer. Assassins lvl 50+ are probably the most over powered class now if there is one with assassinate line /shiver at lvl 70 assassin. Conjuror was probably one of the most over powered in pvp til AA explosion pet nerf and removing stiffle(which is total bs). Now conjurors just blow. To say any class is over powered i disagree. Every class is more powerful at certain stages of the game from there armor type to people gaining more hp / full skill lines. For example conjurors suck high end now hell all mages really do in pvp unless a tank is in front to protect them. However in lower lvls mages can take out full groups if get the jump on them and are good. So it all depends mostly on player and when your trying to compare. SOE is constantly trying to work this out with classes in pvp it just takes time and they never fully get it right but doubt they ever will because you cant patch player skill and too many pvp'ers lack quick reaction times to properly accumlate what might be over powered.

excellion · 07-08-2006, 11:37 PM

What's that I hear? A bunch of angsty preteens getting angry because someone wants to nerf their class? Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like. I noticed no one even bothered to touch my comment on other overpowered classes teamed up with Bruisers, perhaps because it's true? Gasp! Also no one touched the comment about how Bruisers are only lacking ranged DPS, which is another fact. If Bruisers could range dps, why would I even see any other Freetard classes running around? Anyway, I think your mommies are calling you, time to play a class that takes skill.

auk · 07-09-2006, 12:58 AM

Trying to get a class nerfed specifically is trolling. Quit with the flamebait and make some real points and you might get a real response.What comment about other overpowered classes teamed up with bruiser? and what does that have to do with the bruiser itself?And no one touched the comment about how bruisers are only lacking ranged dps, because bruiser are lacking ranged dps. What does that have to do with anything? Sounds like a pretty obvious downside to the class... not a reason to nerf them.There are plenty of comments here with useful feedback. Quit ignoring them, or go away, repost this on another board where you might get some support from other classes, because no one here will agree with you. Your posts here are flamebait, so don't expect much in return but flames.

swordfel · 07-09-2006, 01:04 AM

excellion wrote:

i got owned by a bruiser. im too lazy to learn how to play my class, so instead of having to go through all that effort, i would rather have SOE nerf bruisers. that way, i will be able to kill them, even though i am not willing to put in time and effort to learn my class and find a way to beat bruisers without having them nerfed. everyone who disagrees with me is a 13 yr old who doesnt know how to play thier class. also, dont tell me that im only saying this because i got owned by a bruiser. the reason im saying this is because i was unable to defeat a bruiser in combat and was forced to flee. the fact that i escaped proves that they have very bad ranged dps. in short, nerf bruisers. oh, and while ur at it, make my class uber. remember, anyone who disagrees with me is a 13 yr old.

(p.s. i like contradicting myself)

fix'd

on another note, nobody touched on your other comments because

1. there is no evidence supporting it here other than what you say

2. they were stupid comments

3. its not worth the effort

finally, bruisers do take skill to play well, despite what you say. maybe if you actually took the time to make one and lvl it up, you would understand that. of course, if you made a bruiser, youd end up being owned by a ranger (thats me commenting on your low ranged dps argument btw), and then youd go to the ranger board and start complaining there. in closing, learn to play

Message Edited by swordfel on 07-08-200602:18 PM

Message Edited by swordfel on 07-08-2006 02:18 PM

Kazzi · 07-09-2006, 03:35 AM

J4kik wrote:

excellion wrote:
High DPS? Check.
High Avoidance? Check.
Self Heals? Check.
Taunting Abilities? Check.
High HP? Check.
High Resists? Check.
Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check.
Tons of stuns and stifles? Check.
Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check.

What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser.

Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific).

What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.

You shoulda kept your post count at 15. i dunno about the rest of your posts but number 16 is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and pointless. PVP doesnt define this game nor has it even been around for that long. Stop trying to get things nerfed because you suck at pvp ( assuming your not a bruiser ) There are alot of other classes that can beat a bruiser especially on a pvp server compared to /dueling on normal servers.

JAKIK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok excellinub you forgot one thing after the " Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. "

Can any class run from a Bruiser in pvp? CHECKMATE bruisers cant finish anyone that decides to run.

Message Edited by KazziEQ on 07-08-2006 04:38 PM

Owa · 07-09-2006, 05:58 AM

excellion wrote:
What's that I hear? A bunch of angsty preteens getting angry because someone wants to nerf their class? Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like.

I noticed no one even bothered to touch my comment on other overpowered classes teamed up with Bruisers, perhaps because it's true? Gasp!
Also no one touched the comment about how Bruisers are only lacking ranged DPS, which is another fact. If Bruisers could range dps, why would I even see any other Freetard classes running around?

Anyway, I think your mommies are calling you, time to play a class that takes skill.

I noticed you didn't bother to touch my comments about how Scout classes are best suited to solo PvP and Zerkers and Guardians are arguably better tanks in group PvP. Feel free to refute the points, but try to base your argument on facts not wishes.

What level are you by the way and what class do you play?

One more thing...isn't 'freetard' kind of angsty preteen?

Rylight · 07-09-2006, 10:42 AM

god I've read enough, Im not even a bruiser but this junk has to stop, this is by far one of the lamest post I've read in a long time regarding a class that has to work hard for its kills.

let me start with this

1. they have no evac,,,,,ever!

2. no ranged options except a few small throwing weapons, in otherwards, any target ten feet away from them is a problem.

3. no snare

4. no track.

5, no invis.

OVERPOWERED??? if you ever see one of these guys out in an open field you know they are not going anywhere!!!!

lets review....

scouts: can see a bruiser a mile away, have invis and track, CAN TOTALLY CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO FIGHT THE BRUISER. and have evac just in case things get rough

mages: also have invis. some have evac, and most have snare, roots or mez. they also have range, as long as a bruiser cannot get near them they cannot be harmed.

healers:.......omg dont even get me started. the only way a bruiser could kill a healer is if the healer is perched on lucans floating castle just waiting to be kicked off. and some have invis and snares.....oh yeah,,,,and lots of lots of heals.

fighters: wow, finally a class that can actually stand up to bruisers sometimes. considering they cant really run. cant really evac (except sk) and cant really invis (not counting monk), honestly because all fighters are pretty much non deceptive (invis track evac etc) this is the only thing that can really be considered a fair fight

ok so who am I? I am one of the few dreadnaught sk's on nagafen server, sitting besides my best friend who is a bruiser, and I have watched him play from the get go. and what have I learned???

BRUISERS ARE A STRAIGHT FOWARD FIGHTING CLASS THAT MUST GIVE UP CRAZY UTITLIES AND SPELLS SUCH AS EVAC, TRACK, LONG CASTING TIMES, HEALS, MEZ'S, AND OVER ALL LONG RANGED WEAPONRY FOR THE ABLITITY TO JUMP STRAIGHT INTO BATTLE WEARING LITTLE ARMOR TO POUND AND CRUSH SOMEBODY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, THATS THE FREAKING POINT OF A BRAWLER CLASS!!!! THATS NOT OVERPOWERED, THATS CALLED BALANCE!!!

I am an sk, I dont have seriously fast and heavy hits, I have long casting times, I do have to rely on heals, I dont have really high avoidance. but I get to wear heavy armor and cast long range, plus I get evac. honestly how can you want to nerf any class that doesnt have evac? I APPLUAD ANY BRUISER WHO IS RUNNING AROUND SOLO IN THE MIDDLE OF A ZONE, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS OF ESCAPE, AND MUST RUN UP TO ANY TARGET BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN DO ANY REAL DAMAGE

so tell me, if a bruiser didnt have high dps, then what would the bruiser even be good for?

Zigmun · 07-09-2006, 11:40 AM

Thanks Rylight, always nice to see someone with common sense.

Storm_Runner · 07-11-2006, 09:40 PM

Enh...the OP is obviously just a troll looking to start a flamewar. Like most little fires...they go out if you don't feed them...or if you grind them underfoot. He also obviously doesn't know his class or bruisers, or monks, or zerkers, or scouts, or SKs, or...do I really need to list all 24 classes? It's also clear that he's the 13 year old (physically, mentally or both). He probably got owned by a bruiser 5 levels below him who *gasp* knows how to play his class. Of course since this happened bruisers MUST be overpowered since NOBODY should be able to beat him...EVER. He should be able to walk up to a level 70 Bruiser and kill him by hitting one button...I mean...don't those bruisers know WHO he IS?!?!?

Do us all a favor...sell your toon on e-bay (only fair since thats where you bought it) and go back to WOW.

Raidi Sovin'faile · 07-12-2006, 03:58 AM

Actually, according to a previous post the OP made elsewhere:

"I just started up again after a 3 month vacation, so I might not be used to my constant demise at the hands of the same 45 bruiser every 2 minutes."

"My Templar is level 34,"

So yeah... I'm pretty sure most classes will seem quite powerful if they are 10 levels higher than you, and you are playing a dedicated healing class with low DPS, solo!

Whatever... I'm done.

TheSummoned · 07-12-2006, 04:01 AM

Why can't we all just get along? Let this thread die already!

07-08-2006, 03:17 AM	#3
Nolomite Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 106	What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, My response? This is the sort of post someone makes when they want to see a specific class nerfed. Simple enough. __________________ Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

07-08-2006, 03:26 AM	#5
J4k Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 288	excellion wrote: High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser. You shoulda kept your post count at 15. i dunno about the rest of your posts but number 16 is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and pointless. PVP doesnt define this game nor has it even been around for that long. Stop trying to get things nerfed because you suck at pvp ( assuming your not a bruiser ) There are alot of other classes that can beat a bruiser especially on a pvp server compared to /dueling on normal servers. __________________

07-08-2006, 03:39 AM	#6
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	Its Fine, go back to your reddie server, carebear __________________

07-08-2006, 04:14 AM	#7
RustyB Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 257	we got 3 stuns and no stifles not including AA's is that considered tons? __________________ Yerni Smith

07-08-2006, 04:17 AM	#8
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	I would say a ton = 2000 stunsmaybe when the cap gets up and close to level 200 we might be close, but I doubt it __________________

07-08-2006, 02:40 AM	#1
excellion Lord Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20	High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser.

07-08-2006, 03:15 AM	#2
baconkil Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3	I play a bruiser on nagafen and would agree that they are a strong pvp class but no where near the strongest. All the dps scout classes own us hands down simply cuz they have track, evac and stealth. While I can beat all scouts, except for swashies (en garde hurts...), they are much better at finding and killing prey without it escaping. When I am solo I have to hope i can kill them fast or they can just run away due to having no way to snare them or root them, if I can even find them to begin with. SImply if they aren't a caster and they don't want to fight me, I'm not going to kill them before they zone, fly or whatever.Overall I would say the strongest pvp class by far in solo situations is brigand. They have it all, from massive debuffs, snares, track... For group pvp a guardian or beserker can dominate. Beserker with their aoe taunting ability and guardian for the beating they can take while the rest of his group kills everyone. Bruiser has one 20 sec aoe taunt so it is hard, if not impossible, to lock down people.

07-08-2006, 03:24 AM	#4
Zigmun General Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 161	I guess your post count says it all. It's obvious you don't really know what you are talking about. Swashies, Brigands, Dirges, Monks are all very very strong pvp classes. I won't argue that Bruisers are a strong pvp class, but overpowered - hardly. Learn the game before making dumb posts.

07-08-2006, 04:51 AM	#9
excellion Lord Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20	Typical 13 year old E-Thug attitude...such a shame. Play a class that takes skill.

07-08-2006, 07:12 AM	#10
Owa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 944	Bruisers are a great PvP class - just like they are a great PvE class. But in both cases they are great because they are 'jack of all trades masters of none'. If you want the most powerful solo class it's going to be a scout, especially Brigand. Aside from their huge DPS and ability to take decent hits, you can't overstate the importance of track, evac and stealth in solo play. You can judge the effectiveness of Scout classes by taking a look at the PvP leaderboards. If you want a class that really shines in group play, Guardians and Berserkers arguably have more to offer as tanks - both can keep the opposing team locked down a hell of a lot better, especially the Guardian, and the Berserkers AoE is far more powerful. Bruisers' single-target DPS is better , of course, but as you play more PvP you'll discover that group aggro and AoEs become far more important. If I were putting together an uber PvP group I'd have a Guardian tank and let my DPS come from Assassins and Warlocks. The OP mentioned he'd not fought a lvl 70 Bruiser; perhaps you should reserve judgement until you have seen how the classes work across all the levels - not just the ones you've experienced. Edit: I just reread your post to see Shadownights on your list of overpowered classes. This is ridiculous - apart from Harm Touch, Shadowknights are anything but overpowered in PvP. I get the impression you haven't played very much and just don't generally know what you're talking about. Message Edited by annaspider on 07-07-2006 11:19 PM __________________

07-08-2006, 08:25 AM	#11
J4k Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 288	excellion wrote: Typical 13 year old E-Thug attitude...such a shame. Play a class that takes skill. Typical "I suck at this game" attitude... such a shame Why dont you go get some skill and stop crying that you suck. __________________

07-08-2006, 12:38 PM	#12
Kadon_Najena Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	Why don't you just make a Bruiser instead of complaining about them. Your gunna get us all nerfed /cry. __________________ Ranlain---70 Monk---Butcherblock

07-08-2006, 02:10 PM	#13
Pauleh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	excellion wrote: High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser. Bruisers arnt that powerful, only if a bruiser has been twinked then its overpowered. __________________ Goetia - Shadowknight of Venekor

07-08-2006, 02:11 PM	#14
Pauleh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	excellion wrote: High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser. Just seen this part, your either a idiot or you really did get owned by a bruiser, QQ more __________________ Goetia - Shadowknight of Venekor

07-08-2006, 02:27 PM	#15
TheSummoned Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 713	Insane AoE knockbacks? :smileyindifferent: Why don't you try playing the class before passing on judgement about a class you obviously don't know a lot about. A rogue can have as much taunting abilites as a bruiser... __________________ __________________________ Yukia, Darathar's bruiser - Retired Ajeco, 70 Splitpaw bruiser - Retired Ezahia, dirge of Validus, Splitpaw

07-08-2006, 03:15 PM	#16
Raidi Sovin'faile Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,320	Hmmm.. half the posts you've made have been in locked threads that you started. Or moved because you don't know how to post. So already, I'm not exactly hanging on your every word as if it's gospel. Second... what the heck are your talking about? High DPS? Others have higher. Other tanks come close or equal. High Avoidance? Many properly equipped fighters are only 10-15% behind, and can have limited blocking 360 degrees with the right AAs (actually many folks can get that with AA... hell my coercer can get that). Self Heals? Yeah, once every 90s, hardly the healing power of even other fighters (pallies and Sk's both have better than that). Taunting Abilities? Every other tank has better taunting than us, even monks. High HP? Once again, others have more than us... I've seen scouts that have just as much. Stats on items come in melee or caster, but they ALL give Stamina. Most melee folks are within 500 hp of each other unless they are specifically buffed for hitpoints. The only people were beat out in excess are mages, followed by priests. Scouts can be right behind us. High Resists? What? We don't even have a wisdom buff, and with the new stat spreads on items, most of us are running around with base 20 Wisdom. Maybe you mean our 20s 3 hit absorption every 3 minutes? One dot eats through that in three ticks, then BAM Ice comet. We have decent poison resist and that's about it. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Please tell me where to get this ability, as I'd absolutely love it. IF we do the Wisdom AA line we get ONE ability that has a knockdown in AE form. Otherwise we have 3 knockdowns on single target. Are you getting us confused with another class? Tons of stuns and stifles? We don't even have stifles. We have 3 stuns and one daze, and they are all a couple seconds long. Knockout Combo can be nasty, once in a blue moon.. but it's mainly used for DPS, and to get it's full effect, we have to drain 25-33% of our power in CAs. Once again... many other classes gets stuns, like brigands for instance... and we are hardly the ones with the most or the longest. Hell... until the update, Zerkers had as many stuns as us, and some were AoE (that lasted 7s!) Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? You say this isn't about "someone killing you", and yet you bring this up? Obviously you have some issues... and I'm not even sure you know which class you are upset at. Most of the things you bring up, others can do most of them better (scouts are better at most, and good enough at the rest, most fighters are better at everything except slightly in DPS and avoidance). You mention abilities we don't even have, or that others can do better. Is it even Bruisers you are are talking about here? Or a mish-mash of Monk, Bruiser, Zerker, Guardian and some scouts? I'd say actually try the class and see just how "overpowered" it is... but I don't want you touching it honestly. That, and going by your track record, I don't think you could learn anyways. You know... now I know what your attitude reminds me of. Smacktards from PvP focused games! It's people like you that drove my friends from WoW to EQ. What'd you do, hear that EQ had PvP and come over here? You might have a better time mouthing off to others that can appreciate this junk. I hate to admit it... but PvP can bring out the worst in people. I love PvP to death, and know plenty of folks that can be great to play with and against in it (in this game or any other PvP setting). But PvP seems like a giant dirty toilet that draws [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] holes like moths to a flame... My advice? Leave. You'll find more enjoyment playing some other game designed primarily for PvP, instead of whining about something you don't even fully understand here.

07-08-2006, 03:18 PM	#17
Raidi Sovin'faile Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,320	TheSummoned wrote: Insane AoE knockbacks? :smileyindifferent: Why don't you try playing the class before passing on judgement about a class you obviously don't know a lot about. A rogue can have as much taunting abilites as a bruiser... That is so true! A Rogue that goes down the Stamina AA line has just as many taunts as we do, although minus the proc'ing one. And he'll have more mitigation and nearly as much avoidance as us, ha! Gotta love the Brigand that goes down Int and Stamina... he has avoidance, taunts, and can FD (while also avoiding any AoE not directly targetted)... with all his other "scout only" goodies.

07-08-2006, 07:19 PM	#18
CosmicAcidGu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 200	sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser. But not only that, seems you also get owned on the forum. if your posting skills are as good as your playing skills, I'm sure any class and not just bruiser drop you like a fly. You say bruisers have tons of stuns and stifles? no stifles. and only few stuns. insane AOE knockbacks? ME WANTS! I suppose you mixed bruisers up with another class. High Resists? wow, you sure have good class knowledge. We don't have a single ability to increase our resists. But now honestly, I'm very sorry you constantly get owned in this game just because you play a class that takes skill (whichever that is). But apparently you're lacking it, otherwise you wouldn't complain. Ever noticed that bruisers can't take down healers? or any class that has evac and is not a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] player? before you start stupid posts on the bruiser forum again, you should check if the stuff you claim is actually correct. Finni / Finnster __________________

07-08-2006, 08:29 PM	#19
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	I may not play PvP, and have only raised my Bruiser to level 50... I can honestly say tyat I have a good feel for the class. (granted I don't know it as good as my ranger) If a person can survive our initial onslaught of CA... because the majority of our recast timers take forever, we are SoL. The only techs we have on a decent recast timer are the Pummel and Roundhouse line... and they both have such a wide range of dmg (from like 80-240 at level 50), that they hardly do anything at all. __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

07-08-2006, 11:10 PM	#20
blueduckie Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 259	Not many classes can survive opening onslaught by a bruiser or monk really unless its a plate tank or they used emergency heal form if a healer. Assassins lvl 50+ are probably the most over powered class now if there is one with assassinate line /shiver at lvl 70 assassin. Conjuror was probably one of the most over powered in pvp til AA explosion pet nerf and removing stiffle(which is total bs). Now conjurors just blow. To say any class is over powered i disagree. Every class is more powerful at certain stages of the game from there armor type to people gaining more hp / full skill lines. For example conjurors suck high end now hell all mages really do in pvp unless a tank is in front to protect them. However in lower lvls mages can take out full groups if get the jump on them and are good. So it all depends mostly on player and when your trying to compare. SOE is constantly trying to work this out with classes in pvp it just takes time and they never fully get it right but doubt they ever will because you cant patch player skill and too many pvp'ers lack quick reaction times to properly accumlate what might be over powered.

07-08-2006, 11:37 PM	#21
excellion Lord Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20	What's that I hear? A bunch of angsty preteens getting angry because someone wants to nerf their class? Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like. I noticed no one even bothered to touch my comment on other overpowered classes teamed up with Bruisers, perhaps because it's true? Gasp! Also no one touched the comment about how Bruisers are only lacking ranged DPS, which is another fact. If Bruisers could range dps, why would I even see any other Freetard classes running around? Anyway, I think your mommies are calling you, time to play a class that takes skill.

07-09-2006, 12:58 AM	#22
auk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	Trying to get a class nerfed specifically is trolling. Quit with the flamebait and make some real points and you might get a real response.What comment about other overpowered classes teamed up with bruiser? and what does that have to do with the bruiser itself?And no one touched the comment about how bruisers are only lacking ranged dps, because bruiser are lacking ranged dps. What does that have to do with anything? Sounds like a pretty obvious downside to the class... not a reason to nerf them.There are plenty of comments here with useful feedback. Quit ignoring them, or go away, repost this on another board where you might get some support from other classes, because no one here will agree with you. Your posts here are flamebait, so don't expect much in return but flames.

07-09-2006, 01:04 AM	#23
swordfel Lord Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 72	excellion wrote: i got owned by a bruiser. im too lazy to learn how to play my class, so instead of having to go through all that effort, i would rather have SOE nerf bruisers. that way, i will be able to kill them, even though i am not willing to put in time and effort to learn my class and find a way to beat bruisers without having them nerfed. everyone who disagrees with me is a 13 yr old who doesnt know how to play thier class. also, dont tell me that im only saying this because i got owned by a bruiser. the reason im saying this is because i was unable to defeat a bruiser in combat and was forced to flee. the fact that i escaped proves that they have very bad ranged dps. in short, nerf bruisers. oh, and while ur at it, make my class uber. remember, anyone who disagrees with me is a 13 yr old. (p.s. i like contradicting myself) fix'd on another note, nobody touched on your other comments because 1. there is no evidence supporting it here other than what you say 2. they were stupid comments 3. its not worth the effort finally, bruisers do take skill to play well, despite what you say. maybe if you actually took the time to make one and lvl it up, you would understand that. of course, if you made a bruiser, youd end up being owned by a ranger (thats me commenting on your low ranged dps argument btw), and then youd go to the ranger board and start complaining there. in closing, learn to play Message Edited by swordfel on 07-08-200602:18 PM Message Edited by swordfel on 07-08-2006 02:18 PM __________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________ Hi, my name is Paper. Nerf Scissors, Rock is fine. __________________________________________________ ___________________________

07-09-2006, 03:35 AM	#24
Kazzi Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA (USA) Posts: 2	J4kik wrote: excellion wrote: High DPS? Check. High Avoidance? Check. Self Heals? Check. Taunting Abilities? Check. High HP? Check. High Resists? Check. Insane AOE Knockbacks? Check. Tons of stuns and stifles? Check. Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. What're they lacking? Besides of course powerful ranged DPS. Sure they don't have that, but if they did there would be no decent reason to not play a Bruiser. Don't even bother with the "sounds like someone got owned by a bruiser, QQ more" type replies. Everyone knows Bruisers are probably the strongest solo pvp class in the game, thus only multiplying their power when in a group of other overpowered FP classes (Necros/Coercers/Shadowknights to be specific). What was the point of this post you may ask? To spread the truth. That and to read what some Bruisers may say in response, probably trying to claim that they're not as powerful as I am making them out to be. Too bad they are. Possibly even worse, I dunno, i've never had the misfortune of meeting a level 70 Bruiser. You shoulda kept your post count at 15. i dunno about the rest of your posts but number 16 is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and pointless. PVP doesnt define this game nor has it even been around for that long. Stop trying to get things nerfed because you suck at pvp ( assuming your not a bruiser ) There are alot of other classes that can beat a bruiser especially on a pvp server compared to /dueling on normal servers. JAKIK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok excellinub you forgot one thing after the " Being the official FP noobtard "lol i killd u guyz i rox" class? Check. " Can any class run from a Bruiser in pvp? CHECKMATE bruisers cant finish anyone that decides to run. Message Edited by KazziEQ on 07-08-2006 04:38 PM

07-09-2006, 05:58 AM	#25
Owa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 944	excellion wrote: What's that I hear? A bunch of angsty preteens getting angry because someone wants to nerf their class? Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like. I noticed no one even bothered to touch my comment on other overpowered classes teamed up with Bruisers, perhaps because it's true? Gasp! Also no one touched the comment about how Bruisers are only lacking ranged DPS, which is another fact. If Bruisers could range dps, why would I even see any other Freetard classes running around? Anyway, I think your mommies are calling you, time to play a class that takes skill. I noticed you didn't bother to touch my comments about how Scout classes are best suited to solo PvP and Zerkers and Guardians are arguably better tanks in group PvP. Feel free to refute the points, but try to base your argument on facts not wishes. What level are you by the way and what class do you play? One more thing...isn't 'freetard' kind of angsty preteen? __________________

07-09-2006, 10:42 AM	#26
Rylight Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 572	god I've read enough, Im not even a bruiser but this junk has to stop, this is by far one of the lamest post I've read in a long time regarding a class that has to work hard for its kills. let me start with this 1. they have no evac,,,,,ever! 2. no ranged options except a few small throwing weapons, in otherwards, any target ten feet away from them is a problem. 3. no snare 4. no track. 5, no invis. OVERPOWERED??? if you ever see one of these guys out in an open field you know they are not going anywhere!!!! lets review.... scouts: can see a bruiser a mile away, have invis and track, CAN TOTALLY CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO FIGHT THE BRUISER. and have evac just in case things get rough mages: also have invis. some have evac, and most have snare, roots or mez. they also have range, as long as a bruiser cannot get near them they cannot be harmed. healers:.......omg dont even get me started. the only way a bruiser could kill a healer is if the healer is perched on lucans floating castle just waiting to be kicked off. and some have invis and snares.....oh yeah,,,,and lots of lots of heals. fighters: wow, finally a class that can actually stand up to bruisers sometimes. considering they cant really run. cant really evac (except sk) and cant really invis (not counting monk), honestly because all fighters are pretty much non deceptive (invis track evac etc) this is the only thing that can really be considered a fair fight ok so who am I? I am one of the few dreadnaught sk's on nagafen server, sitting besides my best friend who is a bruiser, and I have watched him play from the get go. and what have I learned??? BRUISERS ARE A STRAIGHT FOWARD FIGHTING CLASS THAT MUST GIVE UP CRAZY UTITLIES AND SPELLS SUCH AS EVAC, TRACK, LONG CASTING TIMES, HEALS, MEZ'S, AND OVER ALL LONG RANGED WEAPONRY FOR THE ABLITITY TO JUMP STRAIGHT INTO BATTLE WEARING LITTLE ARMOR TO POUND AND CRUSH SOMEBODY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, THATS THE FREAKING POINT OF A BRAWLER CLASS!!!! THATS NOT OVERPOWERED, THATS CALLED BALANCE!!! I am an sk, I dont have seriously fast and heavy hits, I have long casting times, I do have to rely on heals, I dont have really high avoidance. but I get to wear heavy armor and cast long range, plus I get evac. honestly how can you want to nerf any class that doesnt have evac? I APPLUAD ANY BRUISER WHO IS RUNNING AROUND SOLO IN THE MIDDLE OF A ZONE, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS OF ESCAPE, AND MUST RUN UP TO ANY TARGET BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN DO ANY REAL DAMAGE so tell me, if a bruiser didnt have high dps, then what would the bruiser even be good for? __________________ Episode 2 part 2 of my MOVIE series, Rylight the chronicles of pain can be found here http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=screen&message.id=14051

07-09-2006, 11:40 AM	#27
Zigmun General Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 161	Thanks Rylight, always nice to see someone with common sense.

07-11-2006, 09:40 PM	#28
Storm_Runner Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 131	Enh...the OP is obviously just a troll looking to start a flamewar. Like most little fires...they go out if you don't feed them...or if you grind them underfoot. He also obviously doesn't know his class or bruisers, or monks, or zerkers, or scouts, or SKs, or...do I really need to list all 24 classes? It's also clear that he's the 13 year old (physically, mentally or both). He probably got owned by a bruiser 5 levels below him who gasp knows how to play his class. Of course since this happened bruisers MUST be overpowered since NOBODY should be able to beat him...EVER. He should be able to walk up to a level 70 Bruiser and kill him by hitting one button...I mean...don't those bruisers know WHO he IS?!?!? Do us all a favor...sell your toon on e-bay (only fair since thats where you bought it) and go back to WOW. __________________ Balyn - Barbarian Berserker; Tuatha - Fae Swashbuckler Krishall - Kerran Ranger; Leejon - Gnome Conjuror Kruhl - Ogre Bruiser; Sthyss - Iksar Fury Residents of Butcherblock

07-12-2006, 03:58 AM	#29
Raidi Sovin'faile Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,320	Actually, according to a previous post the OP made elsewhere: "I just started up again after a 3 month vacation, so I might not be used to my constant demise at the hands of the same 45 bruiser every 2 minutes." "My Templar is level 34," So yeah... I'm pretty sure most classes will seem quite powerful if they are 10 levels higher than you, and you are playing a dedicated healing class with low DPS, solo! Whatever... I'm done.

07-12-2006, 04:01 AM	#30
TheSummoned Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 713	Why can't we all just get along? Let this thread die already! __________________ __________________________ Yukia, Darathar's bruiser - Retired Ajeco, 70 Splitpaw bruiser - Retired Ezahia, dirge of Validus, Splitpaw