[PvP] Bruiser cannot issue CA's if not facing a target that is on the run (being ran after)

Pheeb · 03-23-2006, 11:07 PM

In PvP, Bruisers (am guessing monks as well) cannot hit in the back or side when running after a target (sprinting or not) - Even when in range - You have to go past the target and then issue the CA. Since we don't run fast as we are fighters, by the time you have past the target (finally) and you're ready to hit, you're close to be out-of-power and the target quickly gets away...Why can't we hit a target (PC) when running after it and being within the range of the CA - I try it all the time and I just can't hit it (I guess no message, it just won't launch it and I keep at pounding at my keys)...I think this should be addressed....I should be able to DMG (not just auto-attack) someone that am following right behind (less than 5m for instance) and not having to go past the target (in front)...Of course am using my ranged weapon which we know is weak compared to other ranged ones but that is not the point of this thread...I think this has never been implemented by SOE because in PvE, well, you don't run after mobs, in PvP you do (PC) and let me tell you that it is already tough for a buiser to catch up on anyone running from us...(i.e. no snare, etc - I know SKs get a CA snare cos I played one)...Anyway, I think this should be implemented for all the classes which can cast a CA on the run while pursuing some ennemy (not every fighter can lauch a CA while on the run (moving) - Brawlers can) and being in range for the CA to launch...Thanks for reading...Feedback appreciated...

Zigmun · 03-24-2006, 12:32 AM

Agreed - if I can get in range of a player I should be able to hit him/her.

Problem is PVP is an after thought (like it was in EQ1) for Sony. Sony has a long history of adding content, and more content, and more content - and fixing (nerfing) balancing whatever you want to call it to keep players "busy" and "thier focus on new content" instead of actually implementing systems to make (keep) players happy.

ganjookie · 03-24-2006, 03:40 AM

Riddle me this.... If PvP is an after thought. Why are PvE and PvP spells/CA's able to be chanegd seperately?Your answer to this pretty much makes your whole post vaild or not valid.Answer wisely

Zigmund9 wrote:
Agreed - if I can get in range of a player I should be able to hit him/her.
Problem is PVP is an after thought (like it was in EQ1) for Sony. Sony has a long history of adding content, and more content, and more content - and fixing (nerfing) balancing whatever you want to call it to keep players "busy" and "thier focus on new content" instead of actually implementing systems to make (keep) players happy.

wayfaerer · 03-24-2006, 05:17 AM

Yes it's difficult. Living in Australia, my ping makes it even harder. I've been following snared targets before and still couldn't attack since where my client things the opponant is and where the server knows they are are very different things.Luckily as a bruiser we possess such immense burst damage that you tend to only need to hit people once and it's all over. SMILEY

Zigmun · 03-24-2006, 05:24 AM

Ganjookie....

Well for one I have played Sony games for about 5 years - so yes I do understand how Sony operates as a company.

I basically endured their game known as EQ1, as many others did for years. I stand by my basic premise - Sony releases a lot of content without really caring what thier player base wants or thinks...

Have you heard of SWG??? I rest my case.

Anyways, instead of me flaming you and you flaming me - maybe you can do as I - and just agree with the OP - that it would be a great change.

Message Edited by Zigmund9 on 03-23-200604:24 PM

ganjookie · 03-24-2006, 09:04 AM

I would like to see Brawlers come out with an AA or a CA line of "burst sprints". It would be a power draining move and/or timed (I'm thinking starting at 8 secs ( + ups duration with Adept/Master or every 14 levels), where you gain a 10% (+ ups % with Adept/Master or every 14 levels) in combat speed. Being experts in physical health and donning light armor, that woul/could be acceptable.My 2 cp

Pheeb · 03-24-2006, 10:12 PM

Thanks for all the feedback - I really hope some dev can pitch in and mention if this is something that 1) they are aware of, 2) if this is ever going to be addressed - Haven't seen many Dev posts on the bruiser forum but I haven't been a brawler for too long enough I guess SMILEY

Ashdaren · 03-25-2006, 06:16 PM

ganjookie wrote: I would like to see Brawlers come out with an AA or a CA line of "burst sprints". It would be a power draining move and/or timed (I'm thinking starting at 8 secs ( + ups duration with Adept/Master or every 14 levels), where you gain a 10% (+ ups % with Adept/Master or every 14 levels) in combat speed. Being experts in physical health and donning light armor, that woul/could be acceptable.My 2 cp

Yeah of course, why not call the class "Pvp [Removed for Content]" instead of brawler?

Pheeb · 03-26-2006, 02:11 AM

I guess am going to /petition because it seems like there is no way to get feedback from support or Devs through this forum - it is and has been awfully quiet - I suggest you PvP bruisers do the same. It really starts to tick me off when am chasing an ennemy and am in range (like right on top of the target) and I cannot launch any CA's - Clearly this has not been implemented and is a big hole in the PvP play for brawlers (let's say fighters)...

Jetblackrogue · 03-27-2006, 07:28 AM

Ive noticed this as well and just wanted to add my voice (post) to this. Perhaps SOE will take a look at it if enough people reply (it's happened before)

Pheeb · 03-27-2006, 07:46 AM

Hopefully Yes. Here is another related thread from the PvP forum. I have chimed in here as well.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=43291&jump=true

ganjookie · 03-28-2006, 04:15 AM

Ashdaren wrote:
Yeah of course, why not call the class "Pvp [Removed for Content]" instead of brawler?

What would you call the different good and evil sides then. Would this title carry over to PvE servers. your confusing me

Ashdaren · 03-28-2006, 04:28 AM

ganjookie wrote:
Ashdaren wrote:
Yeah of course, why not call the class "Pvp [Removed for Content]" instead of brawler?
What would you call the different good and evil sides then. Would this title carry over to PvE servers. your confusing me

It s really funny to see how in a thread you argue for dev to give us a speed buff while on an other one you explain me how good we are at chasing people solo.

Message Edited by Ashdaren on 03-27-200603:31 PM

ganjookie · 03-28-2006, 05:22 AM

We are fine, but in this thread the OP talks about something we could use. I was trying to help out and offer some ideas.thanks for checking in

Pheeb · 03-28-2006, 06:46 AM

Sounds like a good proposal indeed...would definitely help...I still think we need to be able to CA hit someone in the back or on the side when running after...SOE needs to implement what should have been there when PvP came up...It's not just us - I bet all the melee classea are impacted...

ganjookie wrote: I would like to see Brawlers come out with an AA or a CA line of "burst sprints". It would be a power draining move and/or timed (I'm thinking starting at 8 secs ( + ups duration with Adept/Master or every 14 levels), where you gain a 10% (+ ups % with Adept/Master or every 14 levels) in combat speed. Being experts in physical health and donning light armor, that woul/could be acceptable.My 2 cp

Ashdaren · 03-28-2006, 01:36 PM

All the scout get a nice in combat speed buff with achievement, I bet it will severly impact our chasing issue with them.

On a side note I clearly remmenber Moorgrad proposing for Bruiser to have full speed buff all the time as an innate feat at the early stage of the game dev. Though as you noticed it did never made it to the EQ2 beta for many good reasons... But the idea is not crazy :p

Finally in the early stage of the Pvp beta, the speed buff was 8% which imo was much better

Samani · 03-29-2006, 04:41 AM

You know i was thinking this whole time that it was just server lag or ping that made me look like i was close enough to launch a CA but actually wasnt. but fighitng again today ya i saw that my CA's where lit up not greyed out. So EQ thought i was definetely in range >.< what a bunch of baloney.

I dont think this is something built into the game. None of my CA's say i have to be in front of the mob. hopefully this gets fixed here before to long.

GetSome · 03-29-2006, 08:08 AM

Me and a guildie where fighting rats and frogs in the edgewater drains he would engage in combat and I would proceed to attack them also but from behind using my CA's so right there it tells me I don't have to be in front of mobs for CA's to work and one other thing I noticed is that my CA's would work further away then my auto attack which is the complete opposite of PVP fighting for me. In PVP I can auto attack while chasing and moving while staying in range but can't use CA's while chasing and moving and staying in range it's always coming up with target out of range, now if my CA's have a greater range then my auto attack then how the heck is this happening???? It seems to work alright in PVE enviroment so whats the deal SOE not one comment on this issue.

Please fix this problem.

Pheeb · 04-12-2006, 06:05 AM

Here is another thread on the same subject which am adding to this orignal one - still have not heard from SOE on the topic. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=51090&jump=true

Pheeb · 04-27-2006, 06:16 AM

Some more: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=16933&jump=true Adding it for SOE to have enough feedback and to reconcile posts on the issue...

Elephant · 05-03-2006, 05:25 PM

Some more here:

http://eqiiforums.soe.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=59312&jump=true#M59312

Elephant · 06-23-2006, 05:42 PM

Up

Any chance we get dev attention to this topic?

Topic is getting old and nothing is done so far to address this!

Mentla · 06-23-2006, 05:58 PM

Teach you to roll on Team Easy then wont it! Delete and roll a Ranger. Then when they show you their back you may as well type /laugh SMILEY

03-24-2006, 03:40 AM	#3
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	Riddle me this.... If PvP is an after thought. Why are PvE and PvP spells/CA's able to be chanegd seperately?Your answer to this pretty much makes your whole post vaild or not valid.Answer wisely Zigmund9 wrote: Agreed - if I can get in range of a player I should be able to hit him/her. Problem is PVP is an after thought (like it was in EQ1) for Sony. Sony has a long history of adding content, and more content, and more content - and fixing (nerfing) balancing whatever you want to call it to keep players "busy" and "thier focus on new content" instead of actually implementing systems to make (keep) players happy. __________________

03-24-2006, 05:17 AM	#4
wayfaerer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 274	Yes it's difficult. Living in Australia, my ping makes it even harder. I've been following snared targets before and still couldn't attack since where my client things the opponant is and where the server knows they are are very different things.Luckily as a bruiser we possess such immense burst damage that you tend to only need to hit people once and it's all over. __________________ Phia, Dark Elf Coercer, Nagafen Zizz, Dark Elf Bruiser, Nagafen -formerly- Phia, Mage, Rift/Briarcliff Phia, Sorcerer, Aion/Nezekan Khrin, Archmage, WAR/Darklands Avert, Blood Mage, VG/Tharridon Khrin, Undead Priest, WoW/Blackrock Phia, Abyss Walker, L2/Lionna Amon, Confessor, SB/Ardan Sset, Iksar Monk, EQ1/Tholuxe Paells Mental, Dark Elf Enchanter, EQ1/Sullon Zek Zizz, Dark Elf Enchanter, EQ1/Tallon Zek

03-24-2006, 09:04 AM	#6
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	I would like to see Brawlers come out with an AA or a CA line of "burst sprints". It would be a power draining move and/or timed (I'm thinking starting at 8 secs ( + ups duration with Adept/Master or every 14 levels), where you gain a 10% (+ ups % with Adept/Master or every 14 levels) in combat speed. Being experts in physical health and donning light armor, that woul/could be acceptable.My 2 cp __________________

03-25-2006, 06:16 PM	#8
Ashdaren Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 114	ganjookie wrote: I would like to see Brawlers come out with an AA or a CA line of "burst sprints". It would be a power draining move and/or timed (I'm thinking starting at 8 secs ( + ups duration with Adept/Master or every 14 levels), where you gain a 10% (+ ups % with Adept/Master or every 14 levels) in combat speed. Being experts in physical health and donning light armor, that woul/could be acceptable.My 2 cp Yeah of course, why not call the class "Pvp [Removed for Content]" instead of brawler? __________________ Mortigan Hurlevent - 80 Sk - Nagafen Ashdaren Hurlevent - Bruiser - Darathar (retired/merged/retired) Ashdaren Hurlevent - 2nd server lvl 50&60 Bruiser (retired) - Storms Amarante Hurlevent - 65 Bard - EQ1 Rallos Zek PVP (retired)

03-28-2006, 04:15 AM	#12
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	Ashdaren wrote: Yeah of course, why not call the class "Pvp [Removed for Content]" instead of brawler? What would you call the different good and evil sides then. Would this title carry over to PvE servers. your confusing me __________________

03-23-2006, 11:07 PM	#1
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	In PvP, Bruisers (am guessing monks as well) cannot hit in the back or side when running after a target (sprinting or not) - Even when in range - You have to go past the target and then issue the CA. Since we don't run fast as we are fighters, by the time you have past the target (finally) and you're ready to hit, you're close to be out-of-power and the target quickly gets away...Why can't we hit a target (PC) when running after it and being within the range of the CA - I try it all the time and I just can't hit it (I guess no message, it just won't launch it and I keep at pounding at my keys)...I think this should be addressed....I should be able to DMG (not just auto-attack) someone that am following right behind (less than 5m for instance) and not having to go past the target (in front)...Of course am using my ranged weapon which we know is weak compared to other ranged ones but that is not the point of this thread...I think this has never been implemented by SOE because in PvE, well, you don't run after mobs, in PvP you do (PC) and let me tell you that it is already tough for a buiser to catch up on anyone running from us...(i.e. no snare, etc - I know SKs get a CA snare cos I played one)...Anyway, I think this should be implemented for all the classes which can cast a CA on the run while pursuing some ennemy (not every fighter can lauch a CA while on the run (moving) - Brawlers can) and being in range for the CA to launch...Thanks for reading...Feedback appreciated...

03-24-2006, 12:32 AM	#2
Zigmun General Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 161	Agreed - if I can get in range of a player I should be able to hit him/her. Problem is PVP is an after thought (like it was in EQ1) for Sony. Sony has a long history of adding content, and more content, and more content - and fixing (nerfing) balancing whatever you want to call it to keep players "busy" and "thier focus on new content" instead of actually implementing systems to make (keep) players happy.

03-24-2006, 05:24 AM	#5
Zigmun General Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 161	Ganjookie.... Well for one I have played Sony games for about 5 years - so yes I do understand how Sony operates as a company. I basically endured their game known as EQ1, as many others did for years. I stand by my basic premise - Sony releases a lot of content without really caring what thier player base wants or thinks... Have you heard of SWG??? I rest my case. Anyways, instead of me flaming you and you flaming me - maybe you can do as I - and just agree with the OP - that it would be a great change. Message Edited by Zigmund9 on 03-23-200604:24 PM

03-24-2006, 10:12 PM	#7
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	Thanks for all the feedback - I really hope some dev can pitch in and mention if this is something that 1) they are aware of, 2) if this is ever going to be addressed - Haven't seen many Dev posts on the bruiser forum but I haven't been a brawler for too long enough I guess

03-26-2006, 02:11 AM	#9
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	I guess am going to /petition because it seems like there is no way to get feedback from support or Devs through this forum - it is and has been awfully quiet - I suggest you PvP bruisers do the same. It really starts to tick me off when am chasing an ennemy and am in range (like right on top of the target) and I cannot launch any CA's - Clearly this has not been implemented and is a big hole in the PvP play for brawlers (let's say fighters)...

03-27-2006, 07:28 AM	#10
Jetblackrogue Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 55	Ive noticed this as well and just wanted to add my voice (post) to this. Perhaps SOE will take a look at it if enough people reply (it's happened before)

03-27-2006, 07:46 AM	#11
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	Hopefully Yes. Here is another related thread from the PvP forum. I have chimed in here as well.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=43291&jump=true

03-28-2006, 04:28 AM	#13
Ashdaren Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 114	ganjookie wrote: Ashdaren wrote: Yeah of course, why not call the class "Pvp [Removed for Content]" instead of brawler? What would you call the different good and evil sides then. Would this title carry over to PvE servers. your confusing me It s really funny to see how in a thread you argue for dev to give us a speed buff while on an other one you explain me how good we are at chasing people solo. Message Edited by Ashdaren on 03-27-200603:31 PM __________________ Mortigan Hurlevent - 80 Sk - Nagafen Ashdaren Hurlevent - Bruiser - Darathar (retired/merged/retired) Ashdaren Hurlevent - 2nd server lvl 50&60 Bruiser (retired) - Storms Amarante Hurlevent - 65 Bard - EQ1 Rallos Zek PVP (retired)

03-28-2006, 05:22 AM	#14
ganjookie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,201	We are fine, but in this thread the OP talks about something we could use. I was trying to help out and offer some ideas.thanks for checking in __________________

03-28-2006, 06:46 AM	#15
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	Sounds like a good proposal indeed...would definitely help...I still think we need to be able to CA hit someone in the back or on the side when running after...SOE needs to implement what should have been there when PvP came up...It's not just us - I bet all the melee classea are impacted... ganjookie wrote: I would like to see Brawlers come out with an AA or a CA line of "burst sprints". It would be a power draining move and/or timed (I'm thinking starting at 8 secs ( + ups duration with Adept/Master or every 14 levels), where you gain a 10% (+ ups % with Adept/Master or every 14 levels) in combat speed. Being experts in physical health and donning light armor, that woul/could be acceptable.My 2 cp

03-28-2006, 01:36 PM	#16
Ashdaren Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 114	All the scout get a nice in combat speed buff with achievement, I bet it will severly impact our chasing issue with them. On a side note I clearly remmenber Moorgrad proposing for Bruiser to have full speed buff all the time as an innate feat at the early stage of the game dev. Though as you noticed it did never made it to the EQ2 beta for many good reasons... But the idea is not crazy :p Finally in the early stage of the Pvp beta, the speed buff was 8% which imo was much better __________________ Mortigan Hurlevent - 80 Sk - Nagafen Ashdaren Hurlevent - Bruiser - Darathar (retired/merged/retired) Ashdaren Hurlevent - 2nd server lvl 50&60 Bruiser (retired) - Storms Amarante Hurlevent - 65 Bard - EQ1 Rallos Zek PVP (retired)

03-29-2006, 04:41 AM	#17
Samani Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 14	You know i was thinking this whole time that it was just server lag or ping that made me look like i was close enough to launch a CA but actually wasnt. but fighitng again today ya i saw that my CA's where lit up not greyed out. So EQ thought i was definetely in range >.< what a bunch of baloney. I dont think this is something built into the game. None of my CA's say i have to be in front of the mob. hopefully this gets fixed here before to long.

03-29-2006, 08:08 AM	#18
GetSome Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 9	Me and a guildie where fighting rats and frogs in the edgewater drains he would engage in combat and I would proceed to attack them also but from behind using my CA's so right there it tells me I don't have to be in front of mobs for CA's to work and one other thing I noticed is that my CA's would work further away then my auto attack which is the complete opposite of PVP fighting for me. In PVP I can auto attack while chasing and moving while staying in range but can't use CA's while chasing and moving and staying in range it's always coming up with target out of range, now if my CA's have a greater range then my auto attack then how the heck is this happening???? It seems to work alright in PVE enviroment so whats the deal SOE not one comment on this issue. Please fix this problem.

04-12-2006, 06:05 AM	#19
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	Here is another thread on the same subject which am adding to this orignal one - still have not heard from SOE on the topic. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=51090&jump=true

04-27-2006, 06:16 AM	#20
Pheeb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 317	Some more: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=16933&jump=true Adding it for SOE to have enough feedback and to reconcile posts on the issue...

05-03-2006, 05:25 PM	#21
Elephant Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 100	Some more here: http://eqiiforums.soe.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=59312&jump=true#M59312

06-23-2006, 05:42 PM	#22
Elephant Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 100	Up Any chance we get dev attention to this topic? Topic is getting old and nothing is done so far to address this!

06-23-2006, 05:58 PM	#23
Mentla Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 682	Teach you to roll on Team Easy then wont it! Delete and roll a Ranger. Then when they show you their back you may as well type /laugh __________________