DPS not lacking

Sa · 09-15-2005, 04:09 PM

Grouped with some guild mates last night wizard was running a parser. All level 50s a wizzy, Dirge, assasin, Zerker, and defiler and myself 50 bruiser. Only master I have is battle fury rest adept 1 except for a couple skills are app. 1. Most my damage spells adept 1. First couple fights I fell well behind assasin and wizzy and was right around zerkers damage. I switched to magmatic fists, Battle fury, rousing cry, shocking fists every time it popped and threw shrug off on the tank. At this point I started surpassing everyone but wizzy by about 1k damage a fight wizzy averaged 500 to 1k damage more a fight then me. This was fighting 56 3 up heroics in pillars. Wizzy has most of his damage sittng on master and told me he was hard pressed to out damage me. I feel if I upgrade the rest of my skill and get a couple more masters I could have out damaged him.

I do not see where they nerfed our damage at all. IMHO I feel as though we got a boost. I have always played my Bruiser DPS style due to the fact my guild has very well equiped plate tanks. Since revamp people are amazed by the abuse I dish out on mobs and them now that duelings an option. Also let me add my power bar barely moves even when im blowing through skills behind a mob in a DPS situation. I am very pleased with the revamp and it seems now people are playing it they are too. humbs up SOE it just takes getting used to is all.

MakhailSamma · 09-15-2005, 06:58 PM

Shhh.. your gonna get us nerfed! SMILEY

Xcomdefen · 09-15-2005, 07:22 PM

I as well started parsing while killing the same monsters with many of the same classes befor the amp, and so far I really am enjoying it. My test mabye wasn't as expanded as yours but i kept my same old place in damage ranking!, even when grouping with a wizard higher level then me I outdamaged him more often then he did me. when his power started to suffer his damage dropped to a fraction of mine, and when he has good power it's still a coin toss on who will pass who it often depended on who got the last high damage spell/skill fired off.

Message Edited by Xcomdefense on 09-15-2005 08:23 AM

MakhailSamma · 09-15-2005, 07:23 PM

Want to see some really crazy DPS. The conj in my guild has an air pet that on our raid on Drayek was parsing around 400 DPS... thats just freaking NUTS. His pet out DPS'd everyone on every fight.

BigRed1 · 09-15-2005, 09:41 PM

I have grouped with the same Assassin now for two days ..and although are dps seems to be right around where we were before revamp, Assassins do much better dps then us..I was running combat stats..and he was popping 439 dps fairly consistant.

All my skills are Adept 3, with a few masters, I was using my Sixta knuckles and Prismatic(offhand) and I was ranging between 200-296 dps this was with Ap1 Offensive stance. The big problem I see is that scouts now have an agro dump ability to help the MT out while they shred the backsides of mobs, when I tried to go all out dps I was stripping agro constantly.

Kainn - 50 Bruiser

Everfrost "The Horde"

Been there, Seen that, Been killed by it, Came back and kicked its [Removed for Content]!

Pauleh · 09-15-2005, 09:53 PM

what weapons

Vorham · 09-15-2005, 11:37 PM

and already there is a parse by a wizard in one of the other forums [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing about our dps

Pauleh · 09-16-2005, 02:28 AM

heh now they could do with a nerf

TheSummoned · 09-16-2005, 02:33 AM

Two words for BigRed...

Feign Death

Message Edited by TheSummoned on 09-16-2005 12:34 AM

Dezperado · 09-16-2005, 08:42 AM

I just heard of this dps tool that straight up tells you how everybody faired damage wise after a fight. Is this something you have to download or is it an ingame thing?, if it's in-game how do you get it?

Thank You, sorry if it's a stupid question.

Turb · 09-16-2005, 11:16 AM

www.combatstats.comReally need to run it on long fights to get real numbers... in a short fight you can unload the big CAs and get crazy numbers.

Raidi Sovin'faile · 09-16-2005, 11:35 AM

I find that epics really show the meat of a class' DPS. When you get to the point where people start running out of power, you'll be able to see exactly who can sustain what damage for how long.

Wizards have abilities to increase their power, are more inclined to get power regen traits, and have more power regen items geared for them (robes, and cloth level mitigation armor with Flowing Thought on them).

I've found that Fighters in general have really good burst DPS, in the "normal fight" sense, but end up haing to rely on their autoattack damage (albeit decent) for the long run. Unless you are in some special, tailor made DPS group (with stacked on haste and +DPS %) then they can be really good for DPS in sustained combat.

However, mages tend to last very long when it comes to CA damage, either their spells are more power efficient, or they have more ways of getting their power up. I have a warlock friend that barely sees the bottom of her power bar on Epic encounters... let alone normal combat. With the revamp, she's been able to burn during the fight and still not be the one the group waits on for power.

One last note on Bruiser DPS. Personally, I have a hard time keeping up with my mage and scout buddies in the DPS department... however, that's probably because my Strength hasn't been my focus. I noticed the poster also said they didn't experience power issues either, which tells me he probably has a huge Strength score.

On the other hand, I have a massive Agility and Stamina score, I've had more hitpoints than other fighters my level, and I have a really high avoidance. So I probably tank at a level much greater than the same Bruiser built for damage.

So we can do it both, like pre-revamp. A bruiser built for damage will take power regen traits, boost his strength astronomically, and get an adept 3 for his Magmatic Fists. One geared for defense will go all out stamina and agility and try and upgrade his Retaliation line.

Considering the stuns, interupts and ghetto crowd control we get, offtanking/dps'ing can be just as valid a role for us as being MT.

I don't play any other tanks, but I'd hope that they were in at least a somewhat similar position as us.

Sa · 09-16-2005, 04:04 PM

Its not only us. Grouped last night with a fairly uber guardian and although not often but a couple times he was parsed at the top as far as damage.

Drexel · 09-18-2005, 07:40 PM

I find that, while using magmatic fists, I am doing more damage then with weapons. So when I am just in DPS mode, I drop the beat sitck and just pummel stuff. The proc on magmatic fists does more than twice the damage when it goes off. Try it next time when you goofing around. I don't have a parser, but it just seems like I lay the smackdown a whole lot better bare fisted.

Slie

Wasz · 09-19-2005, 12:05 AM

ya i used my thundering fist stance for awhile bare handed. the proc wasnt to often but when it did BOOM. Only problem is the delay time on fists is longer then using duel wield weapons. Still its cool to see a dynamic stance that differs

123467 · 09-19-2005, 04:18 PM

Good for you.

Message Edited by 12346789 on 09-19-2005 05:20 AM

09-15-2005, 06:58 PM	#2
MakhailSamma General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 349	Shhh.. your gonna get us nerfed! __________________

09-15-2005, 07:23 PM	#4
MakhailSamma General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 349	Want to see some really crazy DPS. The conj in my guild has an air pet that on our raid on Drayek was parsing around 400 DPS... thats just freaking NUTS. His pet out DPS'd everyone on every fight. __________________

09-15-2005, 09:41 PM	#5
BigRed1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 56	I have grouped with the same Assassin now for two days ..and although are dps seems to be right around where we were before revamp, Assassins do much better dps then us..I was running combat stats..and he was popping 439 dps fairly consistant. All my skills are Adept 3, with a few masters, I was using my Sixta knuckles and Prismatic(offhand) and I was ranging between 200-296 dps this was with Ap1 Offensive stance. The big problem I see is that scouts now have an agro dump ability to help the MT out while they shred the backsides of mobs, when I tried to go all out dps I was stripping agro constantly. Kainn - 50 Bruiser Everfrost "The Horde" Been there, Seen that, Been killed by it, Came back and kicked its [Removed for Content]! __________________

09-15-2005, 09:53 PM	#6
Pauleh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	what weapons __________________ Goetia - Shadowknight of Venekor

09-16-2005, 02:28 AM	#8
Pauleh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	heh now they could do with a nerf __________________ Goetia - Shadowknight of Venekor

09-15-2005, 04:09 PM	#1
Sa General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46	Grouped with some guild mates last night wizard was running a parser. All level 50s a wizzy, Dirge, assasin, Zerker, and defiler and myself 50 bruiser. Only master I have is battle fury rest adept 1 except for a couple skills are app. 1. Most my damage spells adept 1. First couple fights I fell well behind assasin and wizzy and was right around zerkers damage. I switched to magmatic fists, Battle fury, rousing cry, shocking fists every time it popped and threw shrug off on the tank. At this point I started surpassing everyone but wizzy by about 1k damage a fight wizzy averaged 500 to 1k damage more a fight then me. This was fighting 56 3 up heroics in pillars. Wizzy has most of his damage sittng on master and told me he was hard pressed to out damage me. I feel if I upgrade the rest of my skill and get a couple more masters I could have out damaged him. I do not see where they nerfed our damage at all. IMHO I feel as though we got a boost. I have always played my Bruiser DPS style due to the fact my guild has very well equiped plate tanks. Since revamp people are amazed by the abuse I dish out on mobs and them now that duelings an option. Also let me add my power bar barely moves even when im blowing through skills behind a mob in a DPS situation. I am very pleased with the revamp and it seems now people are playing it they are too. humbs up SOE it just takes getting used to is all.

09-15-2005, 07:22 PM	#3
Xcomdefen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	I as well started parsing while killing the same monsters with many of the same classes befor the amp, and so far I really am enjoying it. My test mabye wasn't as expanded as yours but i kept my same old place in damage ranking!, even when grouping with a wizard higher level then me I outdamaged him more often then he did me. when his power started to suffer his damage dropped to a fraction of mine, and when he has good power it's still a coin toss on who will pass who it often depended on who got the last high damage spell/skill fired off. Message Edited by Xcomdefense on 09-15-2005 08:23 AM

09-15-2005, 11:37 PM	#7
Vorham Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Freeport Posts: 176	and already there is a parse by a wizard in one of the other forums [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing about our dps

09-16-2005, 02:33 AM	#9
TheSummoned Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 713	Two words for BigRed... Feign Death Message Edited by TheSummoned on 09-16-2005 12:34 AM __________________ __________________________ Yukia, Darathar's bruiser - Retired Ajeco, 70 Splitpaw bruiser - Retired Ezahia, dirge of Validus, Splitpaw

09-16-2005, 08:42 AM	#10
Dezperado General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1	I just heard of this dps tool that straight up tells you how everybody faired damage wise after a fight. Is this something you have to download or is it an ingame thing?, if it's in-game how do you get it? Thank You, sorry if it's a stupid question.

09-16-2005, 11:16 AM	#11
Turb General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,117	www.combatstats.comReally need to run it on long fights to get real numbers... in a short fight you can unload the big CAs and get crazy numbers. __________________

09-16-2005, 11:35 AM	#12
Raidi Sovin'faile Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,320	I find that epics really show the meat of a class' DPS. When you get to the point where people start running out of power, you'll be able to see exactly who can sustain what damage for how long. Wizards have abilities to increase their power, are more inclined to get power regen traits, and have more power regen items geared for them (robes, and cloth level mitigation armor with Flowing Thought on them). I've found that Fighters in general have really good burst DPS, in the "normal fight" sense, but end up haing to rely on their autoattack damage (albeit decent) for the long run. Unless you are in some special, tailor made DPS group (with stacked on haste and +DPS %) then they can be really good for DPS in sustained combat. However, mages tend to last very long when it comes to CA damage, either their spells are more power efficient, or they have more ways of getting their power up. I have a warlock friend that barely sees the bottom of her power bar on Epic encounters... let alone normal combat. With the revamp, she's been able to burn during the fight and still not be the one the group waits on for power. One last note on Bruiser DPS. Personally, I have a hard time keeping up with my mage and scout buddies in the DPS department... however, that's probably because my Strength hasn't been my focus. I noticed the poster also said they didn't experience power issues either, which tells me he probably has a huge Strength score. On the other hand, I have a massive Agility and Stamina score, I've had more hitpoints than other fighters my level, and I have a really high avoidance. So I probably tank at a level much greater than the same Bruiser built for damage. So we can do it both, like pre-revamp. A bruiser built for damage will take power regen traits, boost his strength astronomically, and get an adept 3 for his Magmatic Fists. One geared for defense will go all out stamina and agility and try and upgrade his Retaliation line. Considering the stuns, interupts and ghetto crowd control we get, offtanking/dps'ing can be just as valid a role for us as being MT. I don't play any other tanks, but I'd hope that they were in at least a somewhat similar position as us.

09-16-2005, 04:04 PM	#13
Sa General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46	Its not only us. Grouped last night with a fairly uber guardian and although not often but a couple times he was parsed at the top as far as damage.

09-18-2005, 07:40 PM	#14
Drexel Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	I find that, while using magmatic fists, I am doing more damage then with weapons. So when I am just in DPS mode, I drop the beat sitck and just pummel stuff. The proc on magmatic fists does more than twice the damage when it goes off. Try it next time when you goofing around. I don't have a parser, but it just seems like I lay the smackdown a whole lot better bare fisted. Slie

09-19-2005, 12:05 AM	#15
Wasz Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 15	ya i used my thundering fist stance for awhile bare handed. the proc wasnt to often but when it did BOOM. Only problem is the delay time on fists is longer then using duel wield weapons. Still its cool to see a dynamic stance that differs __________________ Eshamtheunholy shouts "What are all those people doing?" Bhallz replies "Who ?" Eshamtheunholy replies "over there boy1, boy2, bouy6, boy9 and boyboss, they group like its one person" Bhallz says "Oh dont mind them, they are a part of the infrastructure and economy of a MMORPG, get used to it" Eshamtheunholy says "ok sounds good to me shrug"

09-19-2005, 04:18 PM	#16
123467 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 51	Good for you. Message Edited by 12346789 on 09-19-2005 05:20 AM