PVP

Dr · 06-06-2006, 07:02 AM

ok, i play a monk on the Mistmoore server. ive been reading these boards for a while, and ive heard alot of talk about PVP. am i missing something? should i re-roll onto one of the PVP servers? ive heard alot of negative stuff about them, but am i missing a big part of the game by not being on one?

Junaru · 06-06-2006, 05:19 PM

I rolled a Monk on the PvP servers when they 1st started up. He's like L20ish now but I stopped playing him when everyone started exploiting like crazy. I've come to believe that the only PvP games worth playing are the ones built from the ground up for PvP. Every game that adds PvP as a second thought never seem to be able to work out the bugs. While every game has it's bugs EQ2 has some major ones that just ruins the game play.Just way too many exploits and people taking advantage of them on the PvP servers for me to enjoy. Give it a shot. They make a ton of changes each day. Sadly those changes just seem to open up a new exploit.

Dr · 06-06-2006, 05:34 PM

thanx for the response! i prolly will try it out when i get home tonight, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing some big craze. im currently already playing WoW, so i get my dose of PVP. EQ2 is more of my strategy PVE game. but anyways, i guess ill try it out, i just dont want to get on a server where the only thing that goes on is major ganking the moment you walk out of town. -Dryz

Junaru · 06-06-2006, 05:38 PM

Dryz wrote:
thanx for the response! i prolly will try it out when i get home tonight, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing some big craze. im currently already playing WoW, so i get my dose of PVP. EQ2 is more of my strategy PVE game. but anyways, i guess ill try it out, i just dont want to get on a server where the only thing that goes on is major ganking the moment you walk out of town. -Dryz

If you play WoW then you can understand EQ2 PvP. It's like being the lowest level in the Battle Grounds with all the high level guys ganking you. IMHO WoW PvP > EQ2 PvP.. Much better balance and mechanics.

Dr · 06-06-2006, 10:08 PM

i went ahead and made a character on a PvP server. it couldnt have been more than 2 minutes after i left qeynos city that i got ganked. that repeated itself enough times to make me have to repair my armor. is this common occurence? it scares me that enough people are ganking to do that to me on a monday at 2pm, would i even be able to move on a friday without being smacked around? i dont really see how this could be fun unless you are lvl 70 and fighting people your lvl. id much prefer to be able to do my thing without being killed all the time, WoW pvp servers arent even this bad. -Dryz

Junaru · 06-06-2006, 10:52 PM

Dryz wrote:i went ahead and made a character on a PvP server. it couldnt have been more than 2 minutes after i left qeynos city that i got ganked. that repeated itself enough times to make me have to repair my armor. is this common occurence? it scares me that enough people are ganking to do that to me on a monday at 2pm, would i even be able to move on a friday without being smacked around? i dont really see how this could be fun unless you are lvl 70 and fighting people your lvl. id much prefer to be able to do my thing without being killed all the time, WoW pvp servers arent even this bad. -Dryz

Sadly that was the same experance I had. That alone isn't enough to drive me away from PvP but it was the ones exploiting and still killing noobs that bugged me.See you have it even better. Before high level toons could get into the noob zones and they would camp the bells. As soon as you zone in they smashed you. And at the time a full group of L10's couldn't touch one L20 toon so there wasn't much you could do about it.. Like I said before I think that the only good PvP games are the ones built from the ground up to be PvP not something that was an after thought.

dyf · 06-06-2006, 11:22 PM

A lot of misinformation.

1. Your gear doesn't degrade from PvP deaths. In fact, the cost of dying is so small that it really doesn't matter.

2. You don't get ganked as soon as you zone in at the bells. You have an immunity timer. You can rezone, run away, or do whatever. You don't have to get ganked at the docks.

Junaru · 06-07-2006, 12:45 AM

dyfyd wrote:
A lot of misinformation.

1. Your gear doesn't degrade from PvP deaths. In fact, the cost of dying is so small that it really doesn't matter.

2. You don't get ganked as soon as you zone in at the bells. You have an immunity timer. You can rezone, run away, or do whatever. You don't have to get ganked at the docks.

Read my post.. "Before high level toons could get into the noob zones and they would camp the bells."

Dr · 06-07-2006, 03:24 AM

junaru, do you play on a PvP server? i feel like doing some pvp, but for that fact that my current monk isnt even to 60 yet, do i want to waste my time lvling up on a normal server? and for that matter, would i want to waste my time lvling up on a PvP server just to find it the same as a normal server with ganking capabilities?

Junaru · 06-07-2006, 05:50 PM

Dryz wrote:
junaru, do you play on a PvP server? i feel like doing some pvp, but for that fact that my current monk isnt even to 60 yet, do i want to waste my time lvling up on a normal server? and for that matter, would i want to waste my time lvling up on a PvP server just to find it the same as a normal server with ganking capabilities?

I've been waiting for SOE to fix alot of the bugs before returning to the PvP server.. I wouldn't say leveling up a PvP toon is a waste of time. It sure makes the game interesting. But for me there are still too many exploits being used. The main on and this might have been fixed but I doubt it, is the AMD Duel Core 64 processor bug. After a while of play time you toon start moving super fast and lets you warp in and out on someone. Think of it as Bard speed from EQLive while everyone else is snared.You should read the PvP boards and see what the servers are like and if you can live with it in it's current state. Myself, I can't. Not just yet. Once SOE fixed the warping bug then I may return.

comwebgr · 06-08-2006, 01:05 AM

I play on a PVP server and have played on non-pvp serrvers as well. It is a blast!!! Grouping is much more important on the pvp servers.

Dryz wrote:
junaru, do you play on a PvP server? i feel like doing some pvp, but for that fact that my current monk isnt even to 60 yet, do i want to waste my time lvling up on a normal server? and for that matter, would i want to waste my time lvling up on a PvP server just to find it the same as a normal server with ganking capabilities?

SweetheartRose · 06-08-2006, 10:44 AM

Soloists on a PvP server will get ganked alot. This is because pvp kills give both experience and status points.

If you can deal with this as a soloer then it's ok but alot of soloers don't like it. Something to note .. the only penalty for PvP death is a tiny bit of exp debt and loss of 75% of your current coin (plus chance to drop a less than legendary non attuned item)

If you group you shouldn't have too many problems ... groups gain levels faster than soloing anyway once you get to about 20ish

There is no PvP on noobie isle and anyone under level 10 can not PvP anyway (although the immunity will be gone in higher level zones for lowbe harvesters soon)

So ... in summary.

If you group - PvP server is great

If you solo and don't care about getting ganked - PvP server is still cool

If you solo but your blood presure goes up every time you get ganked and you want to smash something ... stay on the blue servers

DynamicPerforman · 06-08-2006, 10:06 PM

Speaking as a 70th monk on a PVP server, I have to say that PVP rocks!

To adress a few issues:

"that repeated itself enough times to make me have to repair my armor"

-Your armor only breaks if a mob is attacking you when you die, or if you die to falling damage.

" it couldnt have been more than 2 minutes after i left qeynos city that i got ganked"

-Did you sit around the crow fields and expect to kill mobs unassailed? And what level did you leave at? I didn't leave the city till I was 17 and had decent armor in ever slot (it is possible to go from 1-8 on the isle, and 8-17 without ever entering a pvp zone)

"Before high level toons could get into the noob zones and they would camp the bells"

-I don't understand what you mean, any character can get into any opposing cities zones regardless of level.

"As soon as you zone in they smashed you."

-Immunity protects you for 30sec.

"Once SOE fixed the warping bug then I may return."

-If i see someone warping about, I root them, then proceed to kill them. The warping bug is not really on sony's end of things, The same thing happens in WoW all the time. Its the player messing with the data his/her client is sending to the server.

Tsukuwa, it sounds to me like your not putting the time and effort to succeed at PVP. If exploits are getting to you, beat those players down. I kill at least 2-3 exploiters a day, they rely too much on their cheats to succeed. And when you come at them with better skills and a knowledge of their weakness they fall.

Dynamicman out...

Dr · 06-09-2006, 04:37 AM

im just trying to decide if i would enjoy pvp more than a blue server. (i know you guys cant tell me what i enjoy, but i just need advice) id really like to know, in your opinion, are the PvP servers fun? can you still do all the things you can as on a blue server? id like the ability to PvP when im not in the mood to quest or grind, that does seem enjoyable to me. do you guys think its worth my time to play there? im rolling a monk now, and i dont want to waste my time lvling up two characters. so i have to decide. thanx in advance for any info -Dryz

HailinKOP · 06-11-2006, 07:17 AM

Well I am only 20 but I can tell you this, 1-19 is hell pure utter hell. To the point of crying hell. I know you can do like 1-17 without leaving the city but [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it doesnt matter on a pvp server. They come at you all the time (Mind you this is on Venekor) I was really doubting my decision to monk it out on pvp. But at 20 with a new two hander that hits for the same as crafted legendary. It was like a flip was switched. I still can't beat assassins. I hate themBut Bruisers aren't to bad (though they hit hella hard,). On pvp at this early state I got so used to dying that I focused on str purely and with a good group. I can cause a lot of pain before I die. If the assassin fails on his one hit backstab with posion wonder then I get healed up (Fury friend) And I make them regret it.So at 20 it gets better. But armor and weapons are your friends I would say even more then Adepts this early on. Cause with so many scouts running around (they are like rats breeding, oh wait 70% of them are rats.) You need to survive the old stealth stab stun whack stun backstab with posion treatment. I have a ranger friend in my guild and I watched him own stuff while I struggle to survive. But you play a monk not to survive, not to win all the time. You play it cause WOW doesn't have Monk. Just kiddin. You play it cause you love it with the notion that it will become great later on. ((Plus kicking mages off of towers is pure fun LOL)) ((Just do it.))

TheSummoned · 06-11-2006, 03:45 PM

EQ2 PvP > WoW PvP imo WoW pvp is all instanced battlegrounds, there's almost no wild PvP and I once decided to sneak into the PvP forums of WoW. Whoa! They were all talking about how EQ2 had it better.

HailinKOP · 06-12-2006, 03:20 AM

I was just kiddin around about the wow comment. heh. I don't like wow will never play it again as long as I live. /Burns Blizzard flag outside there home office.

dyf · 06-15-2006, 11:31 PM

Hm. I smoke assassins generally and only have trouble if they're orange con or higher. I only have mediocre gear, so occassional super twinks might give me trouble, but that's rare. Monks>scouts in pvp.

Ramglob · 06-20-2006, 06:27 PM

I am a 61SK and I PVP almost 100% of the time. Monks come level 55+ are wicked in PVP. Maybe the best PVP class 55+ in the game (besides the solobility of the Scout classes). Come level 60 you are very difficult to hit. You have great escapability due to the fact that we can't snare you due to your parry. You do very good DPS and are extremely effective one on one.

06-06-2006, 05:19 PM	#2
Junaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,471	I rolled a Monk on the PvP servers when they 1st started up. He's like L20ish now but I stopped playing him when everyone started exploiting like crazy. I've come to believe that the only PvP games worth playing are the ones built from the ground up for PvP. Every game that adds PvP as a second thought never seem to be able to work out the bugs. While every game has it's bugs EQ2 has some major ones that just ruins the game play.Just way too many exploits and people taking advantage of them on the PvP servers for me to enjoy. Give it a shot. They make a ton of changes each day. Sadly those changes just seem to open up a new exploit. __________________

06-06-2006, 05:38 PM	#4
Junaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,471	Dryz wrote: thanx for the response! i prolly will try it out when i get home tonight, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing some big craze. im currently already playing WoW, so i get my dose of PVP. EQ2 is more of my strategy PVE game. but anyways, i guess ill try it out, i just dont want to get on a server where the only thing that goes on is major ganking the moment you walk out of town. -Dryz If you play WoW then you can understand EQ2 PvP. It's like being the lowest level in the Battle Grounds with all the high level guys ganking you. IMHO WoW PvP > EQ2 PvP.. Much better balance and mechanics. __________________

06-06-2006, 10:52 PM	#6
Junaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,471	Dryz wrote:i went ahead and made a character on a PvP server. it couldnt have been more than 2 minutes after i left qeynos city that i got ganked. that repeated itself enough times to make me have to repair my armor. is this common occurence? it scares me that enough people are ganking to do that to me on a monday at 2pm, would i even be able to move on a friday without being smacked around? i dont really see how this could be fun unless you are lvl 70 and fighting people your lvl. id much prefer to be able to do my thing without being killed all the time, WoW pvp servers arent even this bad. -Dryz Sadly that was the same experance I had. That alone isn't enough to drive me away from PvP but it was the ones exploiting and still killing noobs that bugged me.See you have it even better. Before high level toons could get into the noob zones and they would camp the bells. As soon as you zone in they smashed you. And at the time a full group of L10's couldn't touch one L20 toon so there wasn't much you could do about it.. Like I said before I think that the only good PvP games are the ones built from the ground up to be PvP not something that was an after thought. __________________

06-07-2006, 12:45 AM	#8
Junaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,471	dyfyd wrote: A lot of misinformation. 1. Your gear doesn't degrade from PvP deaths. In fact, the cost of dying is so small that it really doesn't matter. 2. You don't get ganked as soon as you zone in at the bells. You have an immunity timer. You can rezone, run away, or do whatever. You don't have to get ganked at the docks. Read my post.. "Before high level toons could get into the noob zones and they would camp the bells." __________________

06-07-2006, 05:50 PM	#10
Junaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,471	Dryz wrote: junaru, do you play on a PvP server? i feel like doing some pvp, but for that fact that my current monk isnt even to 60 yet, do i want to waste my time lvling up on a normal server? and for that matter, would i want to waste my time lvling up on a PvP server just to find it the same as a normal server with ganking capabilities? I've been waiting for SOE to fix alot of the bugs before returning to the PvP server.. I wouldn't say leveling up a PvP toon is a waste of time. It sure makes the game interesting. But for me there are still too many exploits being used. The main on and this might have been fixed but I doubt it, is the AMD Duel Core 64 processor bug. After a while of play time you toon start moving super fast and lets you warp in and out on someone. Think of it as Bard speed from EQLive while everyone else is snared.You should read the PvP boards and see what the servers are like and if you can live with it in it's current state. Myself, I can't. Not just yet. Once SOE fixed the warping bug then I may return. __________________

06-06-2006, 07:02 AM	#1
Dr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	ok, i play a monk on the Mistmoore server. ive been reading these boards for a while, and ive heard alot of talk about PVP. am i missing something? should i re-roll onto one of the PVP servers? ive heard alot of negative stuff about them, but am i missing a big part of the game by not being on one?

06-06-2006, 05:34 PM	#3
Dr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	thanx for the response! i prolly will try it out when i get home tonight, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing some big craze. im currently already playing WoW, so i get my dose of PVP. EQ2 is more of my strategy PVE game. but anyways, i guess ill try it out, i just dont want to get on a server where the only thing that goes on is major ganking the moment you walk out of town. -Dryz

06-06-2006, 10:08 PM	#5
Dr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	i went ahead and made a character on a PvP server. it couldnt have been more than 2 minutes after i left qeynos city that i got ganked. that repeated itself enough times to make me have to repair my armor. is this common occurence? it scares me that enough people are ganking to do that to me on a monday at 2pm, would i even be able to move on a friday without being smacked around? i dont really see how this could be fun unless you are lvl 70 and fighting people your lvl. id much prefer to be able to do my thing without being killed all the time, WoW pvp servers arent even this bad. -Dryz

06-06-2006, 11:22 PM	#7
dyf Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	A lot of misinformation. 1. Your gear doesn't degrade from PvP deaths. In fact, the cost of dying is so small that it really doesn't matter. 2. You don't get ganked as soon as you zone in at the bells. You have an immunity timer. You can rezone, run away, or do whatever. You don't have to get ganked at the docks.

06-07-2006, 03:24 AM	#9
Dr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	junaru, do you play on a PvP server? i feel like doing some pvp, but for that fact that my current monk isnt even to 60 yet, do i want to waste my time lvling up on a normal server? and for that matter, would i want to waste my time lvling up on a PvP server just to find it the same as a normal server with ganking capabilities?

06-08-2006, 01:05 AM	#11
comwebgr Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 46	I play on a PVP server and have played on non-pvp serrvers as well. It is a blast!!! Grouping is much more important on the pvp servers. Dryz wrote: junaru, do you play on a PvP server? i feel like doing some pvp, but for that fact that my current monk isnt even to 60 yet, do i want to waste my time lvling up on a normal server? and for that matter, would i want to waste my time lvling up on a PvP server just to find it the same as a normal server with ganking capabilities? __________________ Kinkle 80+ Warden Wings of Tunare

06-08-2006, 10:44 AM	#12
SweetheartRose Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paasadena, CA Posts: 43	Soloists on a PvP server will get ganked alot. This is because pvp kills give both experience and status points. If you can deal with this as a soloer then it's ok but alot of soloers don't like it. Something to note .. the only penalty for PvP death is a tiny bit of exp debt and loss of 75% of your current coin (plus chance to drop a less than legendary non attuned item) If you group you shouldn't have too many problems ... groups gain levels faster than soloing anyway once you get to about 20ish There is no PvP on noobie isle and anyone under level 10 can not PvP anyway (although the immunity will be gone in higher level zones for lowbe harvesters soon) So ... in summary. If you group - PvP server is great If you solo and don't care about getting ganked - PvP server is still cool If you solo but your blood presure goes up every time you get ganked and you want to smash something ... stay on the blue servers

06-08-2006, 10:06 PM	#13
DynamicPerforman General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 298	Speaking as a 70th monk on a PVP server, I have to say that PVP rocks! To adress a few issues: "that repeated itself enough times to make me have to repair my armor" -Your armor only breaks if a mob is attacking you when you die, or if you die to falling damage. " it couldnt have been more than 2 minutes after i left qeynos city that i got ganked" -Did you sit around the crow fields and expect to kill mobs unassailed? And what level did you leave at? I didn't leave the city till I was 17 and had decent armor in ever slot (it is possible to go from 1-8 on the isle, and 8-17 without ever entering a pvp zone) "Before high level toons could get into the noob zones and they would camp the bells" -I don't understand what you mean, any character can get into any opposing cities zones regardless of level. "As soon as you zone in they smashed you." -Immunity protects you for 30sec. "Once SOE fixed the warping bug then I may return." -If i see someone warping about, I root them, then proceed to kill them. The warping bug is not really on sony's end of things, The same thing happens in WoW all the time. Its the player messing with the data his/her client is sending to the server. Tsukuwa, it sounds to me like your not putting the time and effort to succeed at PVP. If exploits are getting to you, beat those players down. I kill at least 2-3 exploiters a day, they rely too much on their cheats to succeed. And when you come at them with better skills and a knowledge of their weakness they fall. Dynamicman out... __________________

06-09-2006, 04:37 AM	#14
Dr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	im just trying to decide if i would enjoy pvp more than a blue server. (i know you guys cant tell me what i enjoy, but i just need advice) id really like to know, in your opinion, are the PvP servers fun? can you still do all the things you can as on a blue server? id like the ability to PvP when im not in the mood to quest or grind, that does seem enjoyable to me. do you guys think its worth my time to play there? im rolling a monk now, and i dont want to waste my time lvling up two characters. so i have to decide. thanx in advance for any info -Dryz

06-11-2006, 07:17 AM	#15
HailinKOP Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	Well I am only 20 but I can tell you this, 1-19 is hell pure utter hell. To the point of crying hell. I know you can do like 1-17 without leaving the city but [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it doesnt matter on a pvp server. They come at you all the time (Mind you this is on Venekor) I was really doubting my decision to monk it out on pvp. But at 20 with a new two hander that hits for the same as crafted legendary. It was like a flip was switched. I still can't beat assassins. I hate themBut Bruisers aren't to bad (though they hit hella hard,). On pvp at this early state I got so used to dying that I focused on str purely and with a good group. I can cause a lot of pain before I die. If the assassin fails on his one hit backstab with posion wonder then I get healed up (Fury friend) And I make them regret it.So at 20 it gets better. But armor and weapons are your friends I would say even more then Adepts this early on. Cause with so many scouts running around (they are like rats breeding, oh wait 70% of them are rats.) You need to survive the old stealth stab stun whack stun backstab with posion treatment. I have a ranger friend in my guild and I watched him own stuff while I struggle to survive. But you play a monk not to survive, not to win all the time. You play it cause WOW doesn't have Monk. Just kiddin. You play it cause you love it with the notion that it will become great later on. ((Plus kicking mages off of towers is pure fun LOL)) ((Just do it.)) __________________ Vivie Warden of the Blackhawks AB Server

06-11-2006, 03:45 PM	#16
TheSummoned Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 713	EQ2 PvP > WoW PvP imo WoW pvp is all instanced battlegrounds, there's almost no wild PvP and I once decided to sneak into the PvP forums of WoW. Whoa! They were all talking about how EQ2 had it better. __________________ __________________________ Yukia, Darathar's bruiser - Retired Ajeco, 70 Splitpaw bruiser - Retired Ezahia, dirge of Validus, Splitpaw

06-12-2006, 03:20 AM	#17
HailinKOP Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	I was just kiddin around about the wow comment. heh. I don't like wow will never play it again as long as I live. /Burns Blizzard flag outside there home office. __________________ Vivie Warden of the Blackhawks AB Server

06-15-2006, 11:31 PM	#18
dyf Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	Hm. I smoke assassins generally and only have trouble if they're orange con or higher. I only have mediocre gear, so occassional super twinks might give me trouble, but that's rare. Monks>scouts in pvp.

06-20-2006, 06:27 PM	#19
Ramglob General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 96	I am a 61SK and I PVP almost 100% of the time. Monks come level 55+ are wicked in PVP. Maybe the best PVP class 55+ in the game (besides the solobility of the Scout classes). Come level 60 you are very difficult to hit. You have great escapability due to the fact that we can't snare you due to your parry. You do very good DPS and are extremely effective one on one.