Monk feeling REAL weak

Rylog · 05-14-2006, 06:12 PM

I've been putzing around with this monk for a few days. Before this guy, I tried a swashbuckler and then a berserker. I then made this monk because my friend said it'd be more up my alley (I wanted a melee that had good sustained DPS, could stand up to a few mobs at once... zerker seemed cool but since we play on Vox he said monks are much better at PvP)ANYWAY. Of the three characters, this monk is by far the weakest starting out. The fights are so long, I take so much dmg compared to how long it takes it to kill the mob. More than one mob? Forget it.Is this typical of monks starting out? Or do I just have to whip my gear into shape?

Message Edited by Rylogan on 05-14-2006 07:17 AM

Josh · 05-14-2006, 07:47 PM

I've never had a problem with my monk so long as I kept his gear and combat art somewhat up to date... What lvl is your current monk?

Zigmun · 05-14-2006, 08:10 PM

The Monk is an amazing class.

Upgrade your gear and spells.

Savanja · 05-14-2006, 10:13 PM

Monks are awesome. Gotta make sure you have good gear tho. When we get hit, we get hit hard.But during my last run around on the test server, I rolled a noob Monk. It does feel a lil diff just starting out, not enough CA's to really feel like a Monk. But once I started getting more of the Monk CA's, it felt like home. SMILEY

Cirth_Beer · 05-14-2006, 10:37 PM

monk are crappy, i hate my class, i suggest you roll another toon SMILEY

(monk >> all)

Idoru · 05-15-2006, 10:58 AM

If you think taking out mobs is slow with a Monk of all things, you should roll up a Templar.

Balmore · 05-15-2006, 12:02 PM

Upgrade your gear and combat arts, and also play smart. You can go untouched in some fights. Monks get hit hard, but they're not worse than scouts.Later, watch your stances. Brawlers (Monks+Bruisers) get three stances. Offensive, Defensive and Mixed (Combined).Zerkers are not bad, too. If Monks and Bruisers are the offensive fighters, Zerkers are the offensive Warriors.If you search through the past threads on Monks and Bruisers boards you will find plenty of nice tips on how to make the most of this class.Enjoy it!

Prothos · 05-15-2006, 01:28 PM

Monk is by far not weak. Like these folks have said upgrade your spells and gear. Its a awsome job that can keep you content.

Sir Targ · 05-15-2006, 06:26 PM

Idoru wrote:If you think taking out mobs is slow with a Monk of all things, you should roll up a Templar.

:smileyvery-happy: So true..

Igu · 05-15-2006, 06:42 PM

My 62 monk was killing 65 lvl Aviaks (one arrow up) last night in Barren Sky. Weak as a baby...:smileywink:

Perfidiou · 05-16-2006, 10:29 PM

soloing even con named mobs here. other people whine over that so I dun really know if I'm weak or not now. you say we're weak and they say we're too good... /shrug

RipFlex · 05-17-2006, 05:16 AM

My Monk can solo ^^^ herioc greens and ^^ heroic blues 1 on 1 . Yep, they are weak... Re-Roll a Templar !!!

I have a Templar, and I KNOW what a long painful battle is on solos... My Monk can kill 4 green ^ Heroics in the same time my Templar kills 1 green ^ solo, so don't complain Monk kills slow or any other class for that matter until you played a Templar. Hehe..

selch · 05-17-2006, 05:36 AM

RipFlex wrote:

My Monk can solo ^^^ herioc greens and ^^ heroic blues 1 on 1 . Yep, they are weak... Re-Roll a Templar !!!

I have a Templar, and I KNOW what a long painful battle is on solos... My Monk can kill 4 green ^ Heroics in the same time my Templar kills 1 green ^ solo, so don't complain Monk kills slow or any other class for that matter until you played a Templar. Hehe..

Best part about these posts are to compare healers to fighters. Especially about "killing side"

So monks should actually compare themselves in Templar boards about how long duration their healing are and how hard to heal in a group as a main healer SMILEY

In other words, it would sound like this: "Don't complain Templars having hard times in healing until you played a monk"

EDIT: Not a flame, but that's what I always find funny seeing Templar argument about something involves killing.

Message Edited by selch on 05-16-2006 06:40 PM

RipFlex · 05-17-2006, 12:22 PM

selch wrote:

RipFlex wrote:

My Monk can solo ^^^ herioc greens and ^^ heroic blues 1 on 1 . Yep, they are weak... Re-Roll a Templar !!!

I have a Templar, and I KNOW what a long painful battle is on solos... My Monk can kill 4 green ^ Heroics in the same time my Templar kills 1 green ^ solo, so don't complain Monk kills slow or any other class for that matter until you played a Templar. Hehe..

Best part about these posts are to compare healers to fighters. Especially about "killing side"

So monks should actually compare themselves in Templar boards about how long duration their healing are and how hard to heal in a group as a main healer

In other words, it would sound like this: "Don't complain Templars having hard times in healing until you played a monk"

EDIT: Not a flame, but that's what I always find funny seeing Templar argument about something involves killing.

Message Edited by selch on 05-16-2006 06:40 PM

Actually it's a fair comparisan in simply comparing the fact to TRUELY experience slow killing a mob play a Templar, and your veiw that any other class kills too slow like a Bard or Fighter just seems silly. What I mean, it's simply comparing "killing speed" and nothing else (class comparison not in this equation, just raw killing speed). So it's not silly. Now if we are comparing Killing speed within an Arch-Type, like you are referring, then yes the Templar - Monk comparison is silly - not the same Arch-type. I hope that's clear as Mud?

For example, my first class I played pre-LU 13 was a Templar... people asked me how I can solo with a class so slow in killing anything... I didn't understood what they were griping about, I heal myself and stay alive... I cared nothing that it took minutes to kill something. Then I made a Monk and compared from my Main class (my Templar), my Monk killed things at Warp 10 !!! But note my point of referrence (Templar). Anyone complaining that a T1 DPS class let's say kills slower, I cannot help referring them to play a Templar and realize they are being crazy.

Message Edited by RipFlex on 05-17-2006 04:25 AM

Zabumt · 05-17-2006, 01:29 PM

Very true hehe.

There's a reason why my guild Paladin has the guild dps monk in the MT group when he tanks. It's because of the insane monk dps. When he's not dead from pulling aggro that is. SMILEY

ELDur · 05-17-2006, 04:22 PM

Well I play a Monk on the PvP server. I'll tell you, I dont fight White / Blue / Green FP's because they run from me. Yeah, Im in my 30th level and most my PvP kills have been yellows and one or two oranges ( yeah if you pick the right class it's possible to down an orange). Monks can kick some serious [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. My avoidance is awesome. Being on the PvP server I racked up points in STR and WIS. I'm not sure if you play on a PvE or PvP server. One thing is for sure. On PvP a Monk is a great class. So far the only class that has given me problems is a Necro and Wizz but only because they're 3-5 levels higher then me and they're all close fights. An even conned fight usually means I will win, no matter what class you are with the exception of a bruiser which can go either way. Give it time, your Monk will become strong and will soon begin to kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. I was tanking heroics for a group yesterday and the healer hardly used heals on me and I kept aggro the entire fight. With time you will learn to like the class. I gave up on my Ranger ( of 41 ) and re rolled a Monk and I love it.

SweetheartRose · 05-26-2006, 02:30 PM

ELDuran wrote:
Well I play a Monk on the PvP server. I'll tell you, I dont fight White / Blue / Green FP's because they run from me. Yeah, Im in my 30th level and most my PvP kills have been yellows and one or two oranges ( yeah if you pick the right class it's possible to down an orange). Monks can kick some serious [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. My avoidance is awesome. Being on the PvP server I racked up points in STR and WIS. I'm not sure if you play on a PvE or PvP server. One thing is for sure. On PvP a Monk is a great class. So far the only class that has given me problems is a Necro and Wizz but only because they're 3-5 levels higher then me and they're all close fights. An even conned fight usually means I will win, no matter what class you are with the exception of a bruiser which can go either way. Give it time, your Monk will become strong and will soon begin to kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. I was tanking heroics for a group yesterday and the healer hardly used heals on me and I kept aggro the entire fight. With time you will learn to like the class. I gave up on my Ranger ( of 41 ) and re rolled a Monk and I love it.

Nice post .... i recently started a monk after having to run repeatedly from a group of 3 green fp with my 36 ranger ... only level 15 so far but your post gives me hope SMILEY

Steven9 · 05-26-2006, 07:44 PM

Monks seem to suck till like the mid 30s. Once i got my monk to 35 i started to love him. Couldnt find grps since all healers like plate tanks had to solo to 60 sucked but was fun soloing ^^^heroics :smileytongue: I wish monks were a pure dps class and not a tank. The biggest weakness with monks is that they tank based on luck. Sometimes you will parry/deflect the big hits sometimes you wont. Never let the low levels fool you the game gets some much easier and better at the higher levels.

Krescendo · 05-26-2006, 08:31 PM

I am not an expert, other than I have leveled a Swashy, Berzerker, Troubador, Fury, Warden all to just under 20 recently.

Indeed the monk solo is weak compared to those others, but only because HO's at that level favor damage for all the other clasees and not the monk. For me at least, the key to soloing pre-25 or so is HO's. The monk HO requires you to use a taunt (or 2 if one is resisted) to get off an HO with minor damage geared at aggro gain. The others have SIGNIFICANT damage based HO's.

However, in my observation of others, the monk continues to gain as he levels and will surpass probalby all those classes I listed?

JudyJudy · 05-26-2006, 09:19 PM

I'm sorry friend, but I couldn't disagree with you more. We are not a weak solo class.

At level 20, you should have the first in the skill lines to begin stunning mobs and learning to position yourself behind the mob. Do you switch stances during a fight? If not, you should. In my honest opinion, stance dancing is a great skill to learn for any monk - particularly at lower levels as it becomes increasingly more important as you get older.

In all honesty, I use HO's even at level 70 when solo'ing - but they will certainly not make or break the solo encounter.

The effective monk who solo's will use their stuns, stances and utility to excel.

But in truth, it will become easier as you level up.

Good luck!

lillin · 05-27-2006, 02:58 AM

I notice this thread leaned towards the begining of a monks life. What i noticed after the nebie zone revamp is this.......

I made a Dark Elf Bruiser, Wood Elf Monk, and Dark Elf Necro.

The monk which is the main class i play, starting out could kill only two mobs before she had to stop to regen hp.

The bruiser could take on five mobs before i had to stop to regen hp.

The Necro could take on 4 to six mobs before pet died or mana was used up.

This little test was done at level 5 against even con mobs. All mobs fought were consecitive pulls to not let hp regen between pulls. All had just IoR quest gear.

Now i have yet to get a bruiser past 30, but my monk is 65 and she has no problem with most even con solo mobs, can take on blue heriocs if its melee most times. THis is in mostly a mix of legendary/treasured gear too so who knows what ya can do with fabled.

Message Edited by lillin on 05-29-2006 10:44 AM

Galn · 05-28-2006, 08:31 PM

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Rylogan wrote:
I've been putzing around with this monk for a few days. Before this guy, I tried a swashbuckler and then a berserker. I then made this monk because my friend said it'd be more up my alley (I wanted a melee that had good sustained DPS, could stand up to a few mobs at once... zerker seemed cool but since we play on Vox he said monks are much better at PvP) Well if you are used to Swashy DPS Zerker and Monk will both seem slow,almost "Templar like".

ANYWAY. Of the three characters, this monk is by far the weakest starting out. The fights are so long, I take so much dmg compared to how long it takes it to kill the mob. More than one mob? Forget it. I have a lvl 36 monk and 2 of them in the teens (ya think I like this class?), and on the isle I was always pulling multiple mobs to get a challenge with the IoR quested gear, or wearing a set of plain npc bought leather and the handcrafted fist wraps. Weak? no. Slower than a scout? yes, can stand in front of a mob longer than a scout? yes. Make it better than a scout? probably not, my main is a 50 Swashy, doesnt have to stand in front of a mob that long, it dies too fast.

Is this typical of monks starting out? I dont think so. Or do I just have to whip my gear into shape? Probably your attack skill choices/order, cast all '30 second recast' skills first then follow up with 10's and then your HO, use the heal in multiple mob encounters if needed when you get to half health so you arent tripping over yourself trying to get it to go off at 1% health and if you have stuns now use them early and often, get behind the mob, think like a scout :smileytongue:

Message Edited by Rylogan on 05-14-200607:17 AM

Mepha · 05-29-2006, 05:58 PM

I tried a monk the other day for the heck of it. On noob isle I could solo the necro cave at L6. That doesn't seem that weak to me. I was [Removed for Content] slapping groups of creatures fine. I used D stance with HOs.

Rylog · 05-31-2006, 04:42 AM

Yikes, this thread has continued? Yeah I love Monk now guys. I ain't gonna lie, the early levels (being completely untwinked in any way) were horrible compared to my zerker. But now my monk is 37, and I absolutely love the class. Every worry I had wa put to rest haha. Tanking for groups, DPSing for others. Kicking people off mountains is addicting. Windwalk and feign are probably the two most useful abilities any class in the game could have. I get my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicked a healthy amount too, but it just makes me rethink a strategy... something I love about the class. There are a lot of options. Thanks everyone for yelling at me and showing me how silly I was being haha, I'm real glad I stuck with it.

Koyasha · 06-04-2006, 11:16 AM

This is good to hear. I'm just entering my teens on my monk and it's really tough for me. At 12 I was getting my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicked by level 10 ^ non-heroics, whereas my conjuror could take on some very very tough battles and win. My 10 second cooldown abilities have no upgrades yet, and 6-11 and 3-5 damage don't really cut it.

05-14-2006, 10:13 PM	#4
Savanja Fansite Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 397	Monks are awesome. Gotta make sure you have good gear tho. When we get hit, we get hit hard.But during my last run around on the test server, I rolled a noob Monk. It does feel a lil diff just starting out, not enough CA's to really feel like a Monk. But once I started getting more of the Monk CA's, it felt like home. __________________ ~Savanja~

05-14-2006, 10:37 PM	#5
Cirth_Beer Custom Avatar Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Storms Posts: 2,336	monk are crappy, i hate my class, i suggest you roll another toon (monk >> all) __________________

05-15-2006, 10:58 AM	#6
Idoru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	If you think taking out mobs is slow with a Monk of all things, you should roll up a Templar. __________________

05-15-2006, 12:02 PM	#7
Balmore Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 171	Upgrade your gear and combat arts, and also play smart. You can go untouched in some fights. Monks get hit hard, but they're not worse than scouts.Later, watch your stances. Brawlers (Monks+Bruisers) get three stances. Offensive, Defensive and Mixed (Combined).Zerkers are not bad, too. If Monks and Bruisers are the offensive fighters, Zerkers are the offensive Warriors.If you search through the past threads on Monks and Bruisers boards you will find plenty of nice tips on how to make the most of this class.Enjoy it! __________________ "Happy people play the game; angry people play the forums." -- Scott Hartsman

05-15-2006, 01:28 PM	#8
Prothos Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 134	Monk is by far not weak. Like these folks have said upgrade your spells and gear. Its a awsome job that can keep you content. __________________

05-14-2006, 06:12 PM	#1
Rylog Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9	I've been putzing around with this monk for a few days. Before this guy, I tried a swashbuckler and then a berserker. I then made this monk because my friend said it'd be more up my alley (I wanted a melee that had good sustained DPS, could stand up to a few mobs at once... zerker seemed cool but since we play on Vox he said monks are much better at PvP)ANYWAY. Of the three characters, this monk is by far the weakest starting out. The fights are so long, I take so much dmg compared to how long it takes it to kill the mob. More than one mob? Forget it.Is this typical of monks starting out? Or do I just have to whip my gear into shape? Message Edited by Rylogan on 05-14-2006 07:17 AM

05-14-2006, 07:47 PM	#2
Josh Join Date: May 2006 Location: Eglin AFB, Florida Posts: 1	I've never had a problem with my monk so long as I kept his gear and combat art somewhat up to date... What lvl is your current monk?

05-14-2006, 08:10 PM	#3
Zigmun General Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 161	The Monk is an amazing class. Upgrade your gear and spells.

05-15-2006, 06:26 PM	#9
Sir Targ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 17	Idoru wrote:If you think taking out mobs is slow with a Monk of all things, you should roll up a Templar. :smileyvery-happy: So true..

05-15-2006, 06:42 PM	#10
Igu Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 188	My 62 monk was killing 65 lvl Aviaks (one arrow up) last night in Barren Sky. Weak as a baby...:smileywink:

05-16-2006, 10:29 PM	#11
Perfidiou General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 156	soloing even con named mobs here. other people whine over that so I dun really know if I'm weak or not now. you say we're weak and they say we're too good... /shrug __________________

05-17-2006, 05:16 AM	#12
RipFlex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	My Monk can solo ^^^ herioc greens and ^^ heroic blues 1 on 1 . Yep, they are weak... Re-Roll a Templar !!! I have a Templar, and I KNOW what a long painful battle is on solos... My Monk can kill 4 green ^ Heroics in the same time my Templar kills 1 green ^ solo, so don't complain Monk kills slow or any other class for that matter until you played a Templar. Hehe.. __________________ RipEscence Tourniquet - HalfElf Templar/Prov (70/70) RipLee TigerTail - Ratonga Monk/Wood Worker (70/54) RipJack Monterey- Ratonga Guardian (70) Riplyre Dredwind - Fae Dirge/Alch (70/30)

05-17-2006, 05:36 AM	#13
selch Lord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 1,305	RipFlex wrote: My Monk can solo ^^^ herioc greens and ^^ heroic blues 1 on 1 . Yep, they are weak... Re-Roll a Templar !!! I have a Templar, and I KNOW what a long painful battle is on solos... My Monk can kill 4 green ^ Heroics in the same time my Templar kills 1 green ^ solo, so don't complain Monk kills slow or any other class for that matter until you played a Templar. Hehe.. Best part about these posts are to compare healers to fighters. Especially about "killing side" So monks should actually compare themselves in Templar boards about how long duration their healing are and how hard to heal in a group as a main healer In other words, it would sound like this: "Don't complain Templars having hard times in healing until you played a monk" EDIT: Not a flame, but that's what I always find funny seeing Templar argument about something involves killing. Message Edited by selch on 05-16-2006 06:40 PM __________________

05-17-2006, 12:22 PM	#14
RipFlex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	selch wrote: RipFlex wrote: My Monk can solo ^^^ herioc greens and ^^ heroic blues 1 on 1 . Yep, they are weak... Re-Roll a Templar !!! I have a Templar, and I KNOW what a long painful battle is on solos... My Monk can kill 4 green ^ Heroics in the same time my Templar kills 1 green ^ solo, so don't complain Monk kills slow or any other class for that matter until you played a Templar. Hehe.. Best part about these posts are to compare healers to fighters. Especially about "killing side" So monks should actually compare themselves in Templar boards about how long duration their healing are and how hard to heal in a group as a main healer In other words, it would sound like this: "Don't complain Templars having hard times in healing until you played a monk" EDIT: Not a flame, but that's what I always find funny seeing Templar argument about something involves killing. Message Edited by selch on 05-16-2006 06:40 PM Actually it's a fair comparisan in simply comparing the fact to TRUELY experience slow killing a mob play a Templar, and your veiw that any other class kills too slow like a Bard or Fighter just seems silly. What I mean, it's simply comparing "killing speed" and nothing else (class comparison not in this equation, just raw killing speed). So it's not silly. Now if we are comparing Killing speed within an Arch-Type, like you are referring, then yes the Templar - Monk comparison is silly - not the same Arch-type. I hope that's clear as Mud? For example, my first class I played pre-LU 13 was a Templar... people asked me how I can solo with a class so slow in killing anything... I didn't understood what they were griping about, I heal myself and stay alive... I cared nothing that it took minutes to kill something. Then I made a Monk and compared from my Main class (my Templar), my Monk killed things at Warp 10 !!! But note my point of referrence (Templar). Anyone complaining that a T1 DPS class let's say kills slower, I cannot help referring them to play a Templar and realize they are being crazy. Message Edited by RipFlex on 05-17-2006 04:25 AM Message Edited by RipFlex on 05-17-2006 04:25 AM __________________ RipEscence Tourniquet - HalfElf Templar/Prov (70/70) RipLee TigerTail - Ratonga Monk/Wood Worker (70/54) RipJack Monterey- Ratonga Guardian (70) Riplyre Dredwind - Fae Dirge/Alch (70/30)

05-17-2006, 01:29 PM	#15
Zabumt Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 489	Very true hehe. There's a reason why my guild Paladin has the guild dps monk in the MT group when he tanks. It's because of the insane monk dps. When he's not dead from pulling aggro that is. __________________ Halthar 70 Dwarf Templar - Unrest Zabumtik 60 Gnome Wizard - Unrest

05-17-2006, 04:22 PM	#16
ELDur Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 8	Well I play a Monk on the PvP server. I'll tell you, I dont fight White / Blue / Green FP's because they run from me. Yeah, Im in my 30th level and most my PvP kills have been yellows and one or two oranges ( yeah if you pick the right class it's possible to down an orange). Monks can kick some serious [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. My avoidance is awesome. Being on the PvP server I racked up points in STR and WIS. I'm not sure if you play on a PvE or PvP server. One thing is for sure. On PvP a Monk is a great class. So far the only class that has given me problems is a Necro and Wizz but only because they're 3-5 levels higher then me and they're all close fights. An even conned fight usually means I will win, no matter what class you are with the exception of a bruiser which can go either way. Give it time, your Monk will become strong and will soon begin to kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. I was tanking heroics for a group yesterday and the healer hardly used heals on me and I kept aggro the entire fight. With time you will learn to like the class. I gave up on my Ranger ( of 41 ) and re rolled a Monk and I love it. __________________ Server: Nagafen Main Character: Monk- Vito Mordrayn (level 54) Alt Character: Warden- Corrann D'Arcey (level23) 45 Provisioner 33 Woodworker

05-26-2006, 02:30 PM	#17
SweetheartRose Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paasadena, CA Posts: 43	ELDuran wrote: Well I play a Monk on the PvP server. I'll tell you, I dont fight White / Blue / Green FP's because they run from me. Yeah, Im in my 30th level and most my PvP kills have been yellows and one or two oranges ( yeah if you pick the right class it's possible to down an orange). Monks can kick some serious [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. My avoidance is awesome. Being on the PvP server I racked up points in STR and WIS. I'm not sure if you play on a PvE or PvP server. One thing is for sure. On PvP a Monk is a great class. So far the only class that has given me problems is a Necro and Wizz but only because they're 3-5 levels higher then me and they're all close fights. An even conned fight usually means I will win, no matter what class you are with the exception of a bruiser which can go either way. Give it time, your Monk will become strong and will soon begin to kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. I was tanking heroics for a group yesterday and the healer hardly used heals on me and I kept aggro the entire fight. With time you will learn to like the class. I gave up on my Ranger ( of 41 ) and re rolled a Monk and I love it. Nice post .... i recently started a monk after having to run repeatedly from a group of 3 green fp with my 36 ranger ... only level 15 so far but your post gives me hope

05-26-2006, 07:44 PM	#18
Steven9 General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 32	Monks seem to suck till like the mid 30s. Once i got my monk to 35 i started to love him. Couldnt find grps since all healers like plate tanks had to solo to 60 sucked but was fun soloing ^^^heroics :smileytongue: I wish monks were a pure dps class and not a tank. The biggest weakness with monks is that they tank based on luck. Sometimes you will parry/deflect the big hits sometimes you wont. Never let the low levels fool you the game gets some much easier and better at the higher levels. __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kenman wrote: It's because they're SOE. They completely revamp perfectly working systems instead of fixing actual bugs, it's like their trademark. . --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

05-26-2006, 08:31 PM	#19
Krescendo Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 219	I am not an expert, other than I have leveled a Swashy, Berzerker, Troubador, Fury, Warden all to just under 20 recently. Indeed the monk solo is weak compared to those others, but only because HO's at that level favor damage for all the other clasees and not the monk. For me at least, the key to soloing pre-25 or so is HO's. The monk HO requires you to use a taunt (or 2 if one is resisted) to get off an HO with minor damage geared at aggro gain. The others have SIGNIFICANT damage based HO's. However, in my observation of others, the monk continues to gain as he levels and will surpass probalby all those classes I listed?

05-26-2006, 09:19 PM	#20
JudyJudy Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 368	I'm sorry friend, but I couldn't disagree with you more. We are not a weak solo class. At level 20, you should have the first in the skill lines to begin stunning mobs and learning to position yourself behind the mob. Do you switch stances during a fight? If not, you should. In my honest opinion, stance dancing is a great skill to learn for any monk - particularly at lower levels as it becomes increasingly more important as you get older. In all honesty, I use HO's even at level 70 when solo'ing - but they will certainly not make or break the solo encounter. The effective monk who solo's will use their stuns, stances and utility to excel. But in truth, it will become easier as you level up. Good luck! __________________

05-27-2006, 02:58 AM	#21
lillin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 79	I notice this thread leaned towards the begining of a monks life. What i noticed after the nebie zone revamp is this....... I made a Dark Elf Bruiser, Wood Elf Monk, and Dark Elf Necro. The monk which is the main class i play, starting out could kill only two mobs before she had to stop to regen hp. The bruiser could take on five mobs before i had to stop to regen hp. The Necro could take on 4 to six mobs before pet died or mana was used up. This little test was done at level 5 against even con mobs. All mobs fought were consecitive pulls to not let hp regen between pulls. All had just IoR quest gear. Now i have yet to get a bruiser past 30, but my monk is 65 and she has no problem with most even con solo mobs, can take on blue heriocs if its melee most times. THis is in mostly a mix of legendary/treasured gear too so who knows what ya can do with fabled. Message Edited by lillin on 05-29-2006 10:44 AM

05-28-2006, 08:31 PM	#22
Galn Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 351	Comments in RED Rylogan wrote: I've been putzing around with this monk for a few days. Before this guy, I tried a swashbuckler and then a berserker. I then made this monk because my friend said it'd be more up my alley (I wanted a melee that had good sustained DPS, could stand up to a few mobs at once... zerker seemed cool but since we play on Vox he said monks are much better at PvP) Well if you are used to Swashy DPS Zerker and Monk will both seem slow,almost "Templar like". ANYWAY. Of the three characters, this monk is by far the weakest starting out. The fights are so long, I take so much dmg compared to how long it takes it to kill the mob. More than one mob? Forget it. I have a lvl 36 monk and 2 of them in the teens (ya think I like this class?), and on the isle I was always pulling multiple mobs to get a challenge with the IoR quested gear, or wearing a set of plain npc bought leather and the handcrafted fist wraps. Weak? no. Slower than a scout? yes, can stand in front of a mob longer than a scout? yes. Make it better than a scout? probably not, my main is a 50 Swashy, doesnt have to stand in front of a mob that long, it dies too fast. Is this typical of monks starting out? I dont think so. Or do I just have to whip my gear into shape? Probably your attack skill choices/order, cast all '30 second recast' skills first then follow up with 10's and then your HO, use the heal in multiple mob encounters if needed when you get to half health so you arent tripping over yourself trying to get it to go off at 1% health and if you have stuns now use them early and often, get behind the mob, think like a scout :smileytongue: Message Edited by Rylogan on 05-14-200607:17 AM __________________

05-29-2006, 05:58 PM	#23
Mepha General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	I tried a monk the other day for the heck of it. On noob isle I could solo the necro cave at L6. That doesn't seem that weak to me. I was [Removed for Content] slapping groups of creatures fine. I used D stance with HOs.

05-31-2006, 04:42 AM	#24
Rylog Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9	Yikes, this thread has continued? Yeah I love Monk now guys. I ain't gonna lie, the early levels (being completely untwinked in any way) were horrible compared to my zerker. But now my monk is 37, and I absolutely love the class. Every worry I had wa put to rest haha. Tanking for groups, DPSing for others. Kicking people off mountains is addicting. Windwalk and feign are probably the two most useful abilities any class in the game could have. I get my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicked a healthy amount too, but it just makes me rethink a strategy... something I love about the class. There are a lot of options. Thanks everyone for yelling at me and showing me how silly I was being haha, I'm real glad I stuck with it.

06-04-2006, 11:16 AM	#25
Koyasha Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2	This is good to hear. I'm just entering my teens on my monk and it's really tough for me. At 12 I was getting my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kicked by level 10 ^ non-heroics, whereas my conjuror could take on some very very tough battles and win. My 10 second cooldown abilities have no upgrades yet, and 6-11 and 3-5 damage don't really cut it.