Sta/Int line, any good?

[Jetblackrogue]

Goin sta line (4, 4, 8, .  I was wondering what would be best with that to up DPS (haste/crit/dps)?  I was thinking haste since my 1hander would swing more often and have more chances to double attack.  Is that accurate?  That would be Int (4, 4, 8 ,, the last 8 would increase my avoidance even further (making up for the lack of a tower shield)

[-Aonein-]

Depends what classses you group with mostly, personally i think the INT line is our worst, STA isnt much better and Double Attack is already taking a nerf with more likely to come.

Pretty happy with my STR 4 / 4 / 8 / 8 and WIS 5 / 4 / 8 / 8

[Torque]

What nerf is coming for sta?  I checked the update notes and didn't see anything.

 

~Torque

70 Zerk, Venekor

[-Aonein-]

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TorqueEQ wrote:

What nerf is coming for sta?  I checked the update notes and didn't see anything.

 

~Torque

70 Zerk, Venekor

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Double attack wont proc off the second attack no more, that doesnt just go for us in the STA line, that goes for items that give a percent chance to double attack per swing. Also i didnt say there were going to be nerfs, i said there is more then likely more to come, this is just one nerf.

Message Edited by -Aonein- on 05-02-2006 02:47 AM

[Torque]

Thanks for the clarification.  I recently changed to a sta/wisdom setup for testing (used to be agi/wis) and wasn't aware it used to proc off the second swing, hence my confusion.  That must have been crazy. 

 

 

[Zerv]

Our stam line is arguably our best line even with the proc rate reduced - it might get nerfed but you can always respecdouble attack on the stam line give more dps than anything else which is great for hate production - coupled with the fact that you can get the nice dodge/rip bonus for the 4th tier of that thats 360% - the last skill isn't that great but it's not badalso you can get bucklers like the flapping wing shield that are nearly as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good as some towerssta/wis or sta/agi are really the ways to go imo -  agi though is only for the last skill which can be a saver for raids or going aoe build which is viable - the +defense doesn't matter that much in the agi line if you are capped - +mit in wis line is almost a must havestr line is almost worthless imo right up there with int - we hold aggro easily, the last str skill is horrible because it isn't that often we are below 50% health

Message Edited by Zervun on 05-01-2006 10:44 AM

[Lechac]

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Zervun wrote:

Our stam line is arguably our best line even with the proc rate reduced - it might get nerfed but you can always respecdouble attack on the stam line give more dps than anything else which is great for hate production - coupled with the fact that you can get the nice dodge/rip bonus for the 4th tier of that thats 360% - the last skill isn't that great but it's not badalso you can get bucklers like the flapping wing shield that are nearly as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good as some towerssta/wis or sta/agi are really the ways to go imo -  agi though is only for the last skill which can be a saver for raids or going aoe build which is viable - the +defense doesn't matter that much in the agi line if you are capped - +mit in wis line is almost a must havestr line is almost worthless imo right up there with int - we hold aggro easily, the last str skill is horrible because it isn't that often we are below 50% health

Message Edited by Zervun on 05-01-2006 10:44 AM

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Mitigation from the wis line certainly isn't a "must have" you can raise your mitigation with better gear. The INT line isn't worthless if you consider that parry bonus in the 4th step. Sure, the haste from the step 2 and 3 is almost useless, but since caping defense is so easy, raising your avoidance will only go through aa points in the INT line.I didn't test the STA line yet, are there any raid tanks out there using a buckler instead of a kite/tower that can tell us how it is working for them ?

[-Aonein-]

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Lechacal wrote:

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Zervun wrote:
Our stam line is arguably our best line even with the proc rate reduced - it might get nerfed but you can always respec

double attack on the stam line give more dps than anything else which is great for hate production - coupled with the fact that you can get the nice dodge/rip bonus for the 4th tier of that thats 360% - the last skill isn't that great but it's not bad

also you can get bucklers like the flapping wing shield that are nearly as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good as some towers

sta/wis or sta/agi are really the ways to go imo - 

agi though is only for the last skill which can be a saver for raids or going aoe build which is viable - the +defense doesn't matter that much in the agi line if you are capped - +mit in wis line is almost a must have

str line is almost worthless imo right up there with int - we hold aggro easily, the last str skill is horrible because it isn't that often we are below 50% health

Message Edited by Zervun on 05-01-2006 10:44 AM

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Mitigation from the wis line certainly isn't a "must have" you can raise your mitigation with better gear.

The INT line isn't worthless if you consider that parry bonus in the 4th step. Sure, the haste from the step 2 and 3 is almost useless, but since caping defense is so easy, raising your avoidance will only go through aa points in the INT line.

I didn't test the STA line yet, are there any raid tanks out there using a buckler instead of a kite/tower that can tell us how it is working for them ?

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I can cap my Parry out with a Dirge in my group.......Same as i can cap my Defense out with a Troubador in my group, works hand in hand and depends on which way you want to go.

Seeing as there is no real cap on Mitigation except for the visual soft cap at 80%, WIS line would have to be our best line for sure, 22% DPS / 300+ Mitigation.

STA line being our best line? Only if you can get a decent Buckler with 900+ shield factor other wise your block percent chance falls out the bum even with 8 points in Gladiators Revenge. Besides that, take the Qeynos Claymore quest reward or that other Tower Shield........[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] i forget the name now, but with those shields you will have more Block percent chance then you will with the STA line, the tower Shields with 1400+ Shield Factor. With a maxed out STA line, you only have 1% more chance to block other Grizzlefazzles Tower Shield, hardly worth the 20 points you spend in the line to achieve 1% more chance to block.

Personally, i think the STA line is great for Guardians to give them a boost in DPS wether it be off tanking or main tanking or soloing even, but for us Berserkers i dont think its even needed if you can get a decent Tower Shield.

AGI line is great if all you fight is group encounters, other then that, not so great, usless agianst single target encounters as the proc from Dragoons Cyclone wont effect the target you have targeted, in other words it wont do a double attack on him, Dragoons Cyclone + Auto Attack. The 12 second Tusami effect final ability isnt that great ethier as it renders us usless for 12 seconds after using it because of the 12 recovery timer, meaning no casting anything for 12 seconds, now you can potentially get this down to 9 seconds, BUT you have to waste all your points in INT line to get the final ability for that too leaving you somewhat [Removed for Content].

Personally the only real way to play your Berserker like a true Berserker is Max out Weapon Expertise, Executioners Anger in STR line and Seasoned Veteran, Unshakeable in WIS line. If your tanking your going to be a beast and if your not tanking your still a beast and will be up there on the parses, even single target encounters.

Message Edited by -Aonein- on 05-02-2006 02:19 PM

[Jetblackrogue]

Hmm perhaps I go Sta/Wis then. But let me clarify something.  I play on a PVP server and 90% of my time is spent PVPing and Grouping, not raiding or MT raiding.  Even at 70 I probably wont MT on raids often (our GL is a zerker and we have several active guardians).  I doubt I'll ever use a 2 hander simply because I want fast attacks.  More hits means more chances to interrupt another player.  Thats why I thought sword/shield/haste/double attack would be nice.  I would hit [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near as much as when dw and would get to use a buckler (nearly as good as a tower shield with the right aa's) while I did it.  I realize I could min/max my char to get the most efficient tank, or best dps but I liked the idea of covering both ends.  I figured the haste line (while useless in a group with the right setup) would be useful when running solo in PVP and with my typical group of friends (fury/necromancer).  Im not always gauranteed a group with that setup.  So overall, while I can easily max out some of these things which you speak of, I didnt want a build where I was A #1 30% of the time, and so-so the other 70%, but rather somewhere inbetween 100%.  Thanks  Keep em comin!

[Zerv]

Well, especially on a pvp server, the stam line is incredible, you do most of your damage pvp with auto attack, and you must equip a shield for the extra stun option - not to mention the reactive block/rip/dodge proc every 30 seconds is greatThe str line imo is  not good at allYou get more hate imo from buckler reversal, and double attack in the stam lineYou may have a little less defensiveness but with a phat buckler like flapping wing etc, it's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near the sameThe under 50% health in str line end is pointless as there aren't that many times you are below 50% healthThe 2nd tier crit is only good if you use an axeThe most important aspect of the stamina line is you get near the same defensive aspects as using a tower+1hd once you get a good buckler but do more damage than 2h or duel wield due to double attack - and never have to switch weaponswith the wis/stam line, you get to use the entire trees if you use mace + buckler, most dps period (double attack does more damage than 2h or duel), get your extra stun + wis stun line - there is really nothing negative about it - you just need to find a good buckler - but you will never have to worry about switching from duel/board and sword - you do more damage with double attackThe other build I find maybe iteresting but somewhat redundant is sta/str build for double attack + crits - however I just couldn't sacrifice the +mit in wis line

Message Edited by Zervun on 05-02-2006 11:08 AM

[Lukee]

Most damage in PvP is done off of CAs.

 

I play on Nagafen and have gone with the STA line atm. I have 4/4/4 and am trying to figure out what other line to try.

 

I have no problem holding aggro and have actually been complemented by all my guildies for being able to hold aggro. I'm sure that double attack has something to do with it, as well as the beckler reversal.

 

I thought about INT line, but as it is, if I have an enchanter in my group I hit 90% haste anyways. FBSS+berserk+her buff so it may be a waste.

 

The STR line may be nice, but the WIS line with the knockdown effects looks appealing especially for PVP.

 

To anyone who went down the WIS path, how do you like it? What are it's positives and negatives?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Doodm]

I'm a raid tank, and I went Sta/Wis.

Works wonders

[Pinche Va]

Stam line is incredible. I MT for most easier raids. There is never a time Im not in the top 3 DPS for our raids. If its a hard boss and our resident guardian is tanking it, I am still high on the DPS charts if I dont get myself killed by hitting OW early.

 

Ever since I /respec'd from wis line to stam line I have recommended it to my other zerker buddies. They have all agreed its the best choice they have made. Granted, tanking nasty epic stuff is much harder with a 795 mit buckler than a 1440ish tower, but agro is never a problem anymore. And DPS is at an all time high for me. If you are the MT for a raid guild as a zerker, then its probably not your best choice defensively. If you want pure unadulterated DPS though, I'd highly recommend it. I was destroying the other zerker in our guild til he went STA line. Now we are pretty equal.  In terms of DPS that is. Our guild mostly uses a guardian as MT, so defense isnt a high priority for me.

[Jetblackrogue]

Im actually decided woot!  Going Sta line for the obvious reasons.  Then Agi: 4, 4, 4, 4, 8.  That 12sec parry will really help compensate for the lack of a tower shield on named and raid mobs.  And in PVP 12sec of parrying all inc melee attacks (cant use CA's) but with OW I can imagine groups cracking themselves over me like walnuts on a rock.

[Mordicus]

Is Perseverance working correctly? I recently respeced to this final abilty and didnt notice a change in HP. So naturally i assumed it only adds HP when combat arts are used, so i pulled up my persona window and engaged a 66^^^, spammed a all my CAs and my HP still did not increase. Whats the deal? Perseverance - All of the Gladiators combat arts and abilities consume less power. That power is instead added to the Gladiators health. Mordicus 70 Zerker

[Mordicus]

bump..... Mordicus 70 Zerker Strike