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11-04-2005, 07:49 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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I play my Guardian less and less as time goes by. I tried very hard to keep playing her, even got 10 levels after the LU, but with each passing day that nothing goes SAID much less done about the current issues at hand I find more reasons to log into a different game or log into EQ2 to craft or play an Alt. I miss my Guardian some days more than most...and will play her if a Guildie wants to go hunt...but the desire and drive I had to play her and advance in level is almost as low as her DPS :smileytongue:. I'm still hoping that SOE will do something to give me a feeling of a "defined" role as opposed to the "unsung hero" they say I'm supposed to be. |
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11-05-2005, 05:00 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Everyday I log my Guardian just to look at him for a minute then I log my 32 Warlock trying to find a grp something that usually dont happen. I been playing Ragnarok and I will keepplayin it until Vanguard comes out and I can say GOODBYE to EQ2.
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11-05-2005, 05:01 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 293
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Lets see I am a guardian of level 60 and I have raided DoF here is my opinion SONY SCEWED UP & Dosnt Care.
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11-05-2005, 06:25 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 71
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Cormac pretty much retired...playing a new character...but may get in Vanguard beta..keeping fingers crossed!!!
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11-05-2005, 06:45 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 38
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Leaving one Beta for another lol
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11-05-2005, 07:34 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 203
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waiting on Vangaurd. SOE told me yesterday that they don't give a hoot about fixing my class. I held out posting here but well, the writing on the wall is easy enough to see even for a Guardian who is not very bright. |
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11-07-2005, 01:07 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 18
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only one guard left out of 4 in my raiding guild
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11-07-2005, 10:42 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 153
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Account cancelled.....good luck all.
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11-07-2005, 11:33 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 175
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rerolled a defiler
 , j/k but i still play my guardian, at 53 atm only because my guild has no monks and they still use plates as tanks. Just playing with dof trying to get faction up and occasional raiding. |
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11-08-2005, 01:13 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VA
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**PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER** Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 11-07-2005 04:01 PM |
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11-08-2005, 02:18 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: United States, New York
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I locked my guardian away in a tradeskill instance. I mail stuff that is harvested from my Troub to him. I can barely stand walking around town with him. Just dinged 53 Weaponsmith. I rolled a Monk too. Sweet class so far, not a thing I cant do. Don't know if I have the stomach to play a better tank class though. its infuriating to hear about a better tank. Its heart breaking to see it with my own eyes and play the toon with my own hands. Might be heading back to FFXI, dont know.
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11-08-2005, 05:18 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 131
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Yep, i cancelled my account, but came back to check out the Halloween stuff, and kill some time. But i don't want to play anything else but a tank, and the guardian sucks now, so i'll be cancelling my account again.
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11-08-2005, 07:38 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VA
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on befallen server if you do /who all guardian there is only around 20 on ... maybe more or less depending on the time.... so sucky
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11-08-2005, 09:02 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 23
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Same here =) My Ranger started doing similar DPS to my guardian 15 levels below him. |
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11-08-2005, 10:29 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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only reason I am still playing my guard is because im a guild leader. If it wasnt for my guild, I would have cancelled after they made us useless. Yeah I know what Im talking about here, I am 53 and in full crafted legendary and still suck compared to other tanks. The devs are well mental on this one. Before I got all the crafted gear , it was just plain sick period. There is something wrong if you cannot compare to tanks who dont have tier 6 crafted. We are forced to mine/buy all our gear just to be able to tank at all. Yet I see lots of monks and bruisers running around with sub-par gear totally out-performing us in just about every role in a group situation. Message Edited by Noctismortis on 11-07-2005 09:31 PM |
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11-08-2005, 12:42 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Arizona
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I mean that makes sense. No better way to show loyalty to your guild than by keeping a totally useless character to play with them! /sarcasm_off
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11-08-2005, 01:13 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Glad ya trolled on by just to submit a sarcastic response to a post by a class you are enjoying watch slowly leave the game. I am sure these little helpful bits of "logical and coherent" insight are just what SOE needs from you right now.. Gratz buddy. |
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11-08-2005, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Arizona
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Or perhaps I was giving him advice, eh? If you are going to state a class is useless (ie has no purpose in the game, isn't useful) I wouldn't go on to say that you only play him to help out the guild you lead. Its kind of contradictory, don't you think?
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11-08-2005, 01:54 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 234
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I have realised why you post some much inflammatory nonsense Gaige , you cannot read properly. You always seem to miss the point of people posts and write something flamey that totally misses the point of the persons post. This one is a great example. He states that his character is no where as good as the other guild tanks , and in order to almost being on par he has got himself a full set of T6 rare. Now as we all know , none of the classes are Unplayable , but why not call it useless(not literally) , because it does not do the job anywhere nearly as well as other fighters. Hands up , who knowing how well the classes function now , if EQ2 was starting tomorrow , would pick a guardian because you wanted to Tank ?
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11-08-2005, 02:09 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Up North
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so sad I was committed to Deeva....really loved her but now.... well, I started an SK and am having fun again. I dont know if Deev will come off the back burner or not. As it is now...highly unlikely. Feel like I wasted 52 lvls
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11-08-2005, 03:09 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Arizona
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I have full t6 rare too. It was needed to be effective. Despite the popular opinion that gear is useless to evasion tanks... it isn't. Here is my question then. If he is stating he is nowhere near as good as the other guild tanks... why does he need to continue to play his guardian? He doesn't. Obviously as leader of his guild if another fighter was head and shoulders above the guardian he currently plays it'd be in his and the guild's best interest to use that fighter. Obviously though, his guild needs him to tank or play his guardian for some reason. Before you say lead raids, my guild leader does so as a troubador. Before you say be the MT... I've already stated if another fighter is head over heels better let them MT. I'm sure he could play an alt and effectively lead his guild... even better since in his words the guardian is useless. Oh, and as horrible as guardians supposedly are, we have guardians tanking for us, on numerous raids, nightly. Oh and in single groups too, you know all the various instances out there. Do guardians need some love? Yes. Are they useless and inferior to all other fighters? No. Message Edited by Gaige on 11-08-2005 02:10 AM
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11-08-2005, 04:25 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I stopped playing about a 10 days after LU13 went live.. Spent about 3 weeks trying other MMOG's and was unable to find one we (Myself and my Wife) liked so we re-activated our EQ2 accounts.. When the other new MMOG's come out we be giving them a go. Vangurd is looking good atm. We will see..
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11-08-2005, 05:27 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 234
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what about if he feels he has to play his guardian - because he is GUILD LEADER , if he quits , he leaves the guild leaderless. There is more to EQ2 community than raids Gaige. some peole do not want to spend ages re-rolling a character. So in order to stay as Guild Leader , he keeps on with his Guardian. Do guardian need love ? Yes - Agreed Are they useless and inferior to all other fighters? No - disagree, While as i again stated above , Guards are not literally useless. THEY are inferior to other fighter classes. You may have some raid tanks that are pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] hot - but as per always , you judge Guards by a FEW very fabled up Guardians you personally know. Most guards are no way near as good as them and are in fact inferior to other fighter types. YOU were the biggest moaner and campaigner to get equality before LU13 , well pal thereis LESSequality now between classes than there was pre LU13. FACT. (i play both monk and guard and have seen the inequality with my own eyes , by what mobs i could solo , by the aggro i could generate and pull mobs off of other classes) Since you never answer i will ask again , Do you play a Guardian ??????
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11-08-2005, 07:20 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Since you never answer i will ask again , Do you play a Guardian ??????Of course not, he plays a Monk. He's terrified that monks will lose their overpoweredness at the hand of the nerfed Guardian, as they undoubtably and rightfully will. If he had a Guardian, he might've cared. But as it is, he's stuck on his throne and can't hear you down there. |
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11-08-2005, 08:18 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: School of Hard Knocks
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Guardians .. i feel for u guys .. I Have 1 Question tho.
Why do u guys even respond to Gaige?,, he hijacks every post u guys make. this thread is specificly "How many Guards have Retired there toons??"
Gaige has turned into a "Guards are not Useless." argument .. why even respond? Yummy Iz'bad sk/armorer
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11-08-2005, 09:42 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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I still play and levelled from 48 to 60 after DoF and I can tell you that if I didn't have friends in the lvl 50 range at the time of the update I would have probably rerolled. Do we need some fixing? You betcha. Are we useless? Nope. But simply not being useless is not a viable role for any class. As a class we need to be able bring more to the table, especially since all tanking has been "adjusted". The levels i gained after DoF were hard fought levels where i spent a great deal of time learning my new role and what tactics were now effective for the given scenario/group. I managed fine but it took a lot of patience. However, now at 60, I look at other fighters my level and see what they can do solo and it's incredibly frustrating. I like to group, and i think I work well with a group, but if I didn't have friends to regularly group with I doubt i'd have made it to 60. In fact, the last /tell I got to group was from some people in lavastorm asking me to come grey out some mobs for them.
As to why some of us here respond to Gaige. Why not? I don't agree with half of the things he says, and it does seem that once he posts in a thread it goes horribly off-topic, but the fact is there are a lot of people that think guardians are where they should be or that we are exaggerating about how badly we need fixing. If we cannot debate these issues openly on the forums then we can forget about any "fix" from the devs. Gaige brings a certain amount of skepticism to our discussion that, while frustrating, is needed to valdiate it. The forums can't be all guardians asking for changes or else we wouldn't be taken seriously. Should we ignore him? Nope. In many cases people view silence as a surrender (I'm a last word freak heh). Besides, we picked fighter classes for a reason heh. We'll war over and debate an issue any time and any place especially when we know we are right. What we need though is some kind of open dialogue with the people making the decisions about the direction of our class. It would be nice to see someone from SOE actually organize a discussion with the guardians still active trying to get by with all the changes. Some more interaction than them coming around here occasionally dangling a carrot. We also need the guardians that are leaving the game to stay, or come back. The more active players complaining the more likely the response.
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11-08-2005, 10:04 PM
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Gaige, stop being such a jerk.Maybe, just maybe, the guy has other priorities than EQ and doesn't have the time to roll up an alt that would be able to raid with his guild. So he raids with them with his Guardian.Sheesh.Jerk. |
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11-08-2005, 11:04 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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BYW Grats Perma, sorry Blackburrow. Here is an example of Gaige's thought pattern. TanR posts his frustration with the game. TanR wrote: After grinding out 5 levels to level 55 since LU13, I have come to the conclusion without a doubt that the "new" guardian class is just not for me. This was a sad event for me, because I was the guild MT for many months, and all those great men and women worked so hard to get me in full fabled so we could do every epic mob in the game. Now with the new "content" and the new "characters" I have no fun playing my guardian anymore. All the T5 fabled we worked so hard to get is rendered useless, in favor of having us all whack a rock for hours to get cobalt armor that blows the T5 fabled stuff out of the water. To me the new guardian class lacks anything that makes them unique and fun. There are innumerable problems with broken content, and unbalanced classes. I could write for hours on the all the things that are ruining this game for me, and half my guildmates. T5 raids that are impossible now(even after they were "supposedly" fixed last week), the lack of decent T6 lewt, the mitigation caps while raid buffed are easy to hit without fabled armor, the sheild factor means absolutely nothing, useless intervene skills, resistable tuants, and the list goes on and on. We arent even alone, other classes feel the brunt of these changes and buggs too, read the pally boards, or the coercer boards. To me I feel cheated, in that SOE took something away from me that I grew to love for almost a year. Changed everything we knew about the game, and a lot of it not for the better. My "high end" raiding guild has lost approx. 25 people since LU13 which is about a third of our player base. After considering it for some time, I decided not to sell my toons and close my account. Instead I rolled a bruiser, and Ill continue to play him casually till Vanguard comes out, mostly because we as a guild hope to move over together, and so we are trying to stay in touch with each other. I might also mention that on our server "faydark" there is now only 1 guild left that is raiding T6 content, the others have either broken up, left the game, or lost too many people to make a stab at the new mobs. And that one guild is also planning on moving to vanguard once it goes live. I write this for a certain monk who patrols our boards, saying that guards are fine and working as intended, and whom also has stated in serveral other threads that he thinks there will be no mass exodus to vanguard when it comes out. I am aware of approximetly 150 people between both guilds that are extremely excited and waiting with baited breath for its release, and I cant imagine its much different on the other servers. Covenant 55 Guardian Faydark Server Leader of Clan of Shadows www.cosguild.com
Gaige's short sighted reply Gaige wrote: I'm sure EQ2 will lose some players to Vanguard and probably DDO; or even maybe City of Villians. Will it be a "mass exodeous"? No. Will it kill EQ2? No. even though HIS own guild is leaving EQ2 for Vanguard. LOL funny thing is, Gaige has changed servers and guilds because he knows the truth about where EQ2 is heading and he is desperately trying to hang on. So WE as a class have to put up with this "person" because he has nothing better to do with his time then hang here and look for ways to goad us and derail our threads. I do agree with Krrrath however we are left with no choice but to respond to this "person" because silence may be interpreted as acquiescence, and guardians don't do that too well In the end though one way or another the last laugh will be ours.
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11-08-2005, 11:53 PM
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As the original poster of this thread, I feel compelled to respond to what it has become. It is not the original thread I wanted now, a simple posting of the guardians who have fallen by the wayside. It is once again a troll and flame fest. Sad that such as great game and great class has come to nothing more then that. |
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11-09-2005, 01:35 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Arizona
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Funny, I didn't know you could read my mind. As I've never spoken to you about why I moved servers or changed guilds, I'm left to wonder how you know. Message Edited by Gaige on 11-08-2005 12:37 PM
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