SK can exploit raid 6 bonus without wearing 6 pieces?

ZerkerDwarf · 10-20-2009, 08:55 PM

Is it true that SKs can exploit the 6 bonus from VP/TSO without wearing 6 items? That would be quite unfair (e.g. putting on 6 VP, casting bloodletter and then switching over to the current 5 TSO pieces or replacing TSO pieces by avatar gear).

But balancing fighters has always been a problem that never seems to be fixed.

Enoe · 10-21-2009, 10:23 AM

yea its true

Bruener · 10-21-2009, 01:28 PM

ZerkerDwarf wrote:

Is it true that SKs can exploit the 6 bonus from VP/TSO without wearing 6 items? That would be quite unfair (e.g. putting on 6 VP, casting bloodletter and then switching over to the current 5 TSO pieces or replacing TSO pieces by avatar gear).
But balancing fighters has always been a problem that never seems to be fixed.

No, this is not true. It is actually something they fixed back in RoK. As soon as you take off the 6th piece it removes BL from you completely and you have to wait for the recast to put it up again and if you put it up with only 5 pieces on you get just 1 trigger of BL.

Now I know for a fact that other classes can bug this and make it so they get their 6 set without actually wearing 6 pieces. It takes recasting the ability multiple times and removing the item. *cough* Bruisers *cough*.

Since SKs can't recast BL right away they can't bug it like some other can either.

Aule · 10-21-2009, 02:16 PM

You're incorrect Bruener, they can currently cast it and then swap gear.

Bruener · 10-21-2009, 02:19 PM

Aule@Guk wrote:

You're incorrect Bruener, they can currently cast it and then swap gear.

Funny because I just took a piece off yesterday and it removes BL right away. Unless there is some serious trick that I am unaware of at this time that is not the case. I guess I will have to ask around tonight.

I guess if it does work than it is in-line with what the other classes are buggin out on their 6-set.

Aule · 10-21-2009, 02:30 PM

I dunno how it works as I don't have an sk, but I know sk's that talk about using their VP set to get 2 charges since they don't have 6 pieces of tso gear. I know I've heard them complain that they zoned while not qualified for the bonus and so were down to only one charge and either had to wait 3 mins for the buff to cycle or needed to re-equip for the buff and zone out and back in. Oh that and when some idiot sk buys gear from the raid their in and overwrites their bloodletter when they zone in to loot, thanx gud stahking soe!

Bruener · 10-21-2009, 04:24 PM

Aule@Guk wrote:

I dunno how it works as I don't have an sk, but I know sk's that talk about using their VP set to get 2 charges since they don't have 6 pieces of tso gear. I know I've heard them complain that they zoned while not qualified for the bonus and so were down to only one charge and either had to wait 3 mins for the buff to cycle or needed to re-equip for the buff and zone out and back in. Oh that and when some idiot sk buys gear from the raid their in and overwrites their bloodletter when they zone in to loot, thanx gud stahking soe!

Yeah well the VP set does give 2 triggers of BL....as long as you are wearing the 6 set. Unless you are saying that they can keep 2 triggers of BL without either 6 set on. In RoK that was changed pretty fast so that you couldn't put up 2 triggers unless you are actually wearing the 6 pieces. TSO set is exactly the same way.

Aule · 10-21-2009, 05:18 PM

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't know about TSO set, but you can put on 6 set VP, then cast bloodletter, then remove the VP gear and retain the 2 charges until you zone. All the sk's that I know who have 6 set VP do this.

Bruener · 10-21-2009, 05:25 PM

Aule@Guk wrote:

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't know about TSO set, but you can put on 6 set VP, then cast bloodletter, then remove the VP gear and retain the 2 charges until you zone. All the sk's that I know who have 6 set VP do this.

Well I guess I will have to verify this, break out the old VP set. But I know that this did work in the past in RoK but SOE did change it so you had to be wearing the set to get the bonus. Not sure how they would have broken that mechanic recently.

Aule · 10-22-2009, 03:16 AM

Would probably have been when they changed it so that disarming someone's pants doesn't break their set bonuses. Rather than, I dunno, not have a mechanic as stupid as disarming someone's pants?

Boli32 · 10-22-2009, 04:09 AM

Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses.

Yimway · 10-22-2009, 12:18 PM

Boli32 wrote:

Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses.

Just cause you see the spam does NOT mean the effect was reduced.

The same thing is done with the templar 4 piece bonus. You can cast your buff, swap out your gear, and your group is sitll affected by the greater buffing provided by the 4 set.

Now, as soon as you zone, or someone goes out of range and back in for that buff, it drops back down to the current value. However the applied buff does not change, even though the value on the examine has.

You can verify this on the templar pieces by looking at the hp values of your group as you buff and swap gear.

Bruener · 10-22-2009, 01:23 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Boli32 wrote:
Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses.
Just cause you see the spam does NOT mean the effect was reduced.
The same thing is done with the templar 4 piece bonus. You can cast your buff, swap out your gear, and your group is sitll affected by the greater buffing provided by the 4 set.
Now, as soon as you zone, or someone goes out of range and back in for that buff, it drops back down to the current value. However the applied buff does not change, even though the value on the examine has.
You can verify this on the templar pieces by looking at the hp values of your group as you buff and swap gear.

That sounds all good and great for Templars....BUT for SKs BL drops immediately, period. You take off a piece and drop it to 5, the buff is stripped from you and the recast timer of 3 min is set on BL. Other classes might be able to bug stuff out, but SKs cannot.

Aule · 10-22-2009, 02:08 PM

Did you break out your old vp set and test it yet?

Yimway · 10-22-2009, 02:24 PM

Bruener wrote:

That sounds all good and great for Templars....BUT for SKs BL drops immediately, period. You take off a piece and drop it to 5, the buff is stripped from you and the recast timer of 3 min is set on BL. Other classes might be able to bug stuff out, but SKs cannot.

Well I have templar with 4 piece, I don't have an SK with VP gear. I can't verify the SK issue personally, but I'm told by other SK's that it indeed does work. You just have to reapply it everytime you zone (just like the templar exploit).

Boli32 · 10-22-2009, 02:31 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Boli32 wrote:
Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses.
Just cause you see the spam does NOT mean the effect was reduced.
The same thing is done with the templar 4 piece bonus. You can cast your buff, swap out your gear, and your group is sitll affected by the greater buffing provided by the 4 set.
Now, as soon as you zone, or someone goes out of range and back in for that buff, it drops back down to the current value. However the applied buff does not change, even though the value on the examine has.
You can verify this on the templar pieces by looking at the hp values of your group as you buff and swap gear.

Tested, and yes the effect drops as well... incidentally a little quirkis the appearance also drops as well so your face is clear to see SMILEY

Aule · 11-02-2009, 06:31 PM

Got my buddy to test it with vp and tso gear. When he has 6 pieces of vp gear on and casts it, then swaps into tso gear the effect stays up. If he casts it with 6 pieces of tso gear on and then removes a tso gear piece then the effect drops.

Moralpanic · 11-19-2009, 04:21 PM

I don't know what you guys are doing, but on my SK, i can keep my 6 piece VP set bonus when i swap out of it. The only problem is when i zone, that's the only time i lose the 2 BL and it changes to 1 BL. But if i swap gear just before zoning i'm fine.

Bruener · 11-20-2009, 12:44 PM

Aule@Guk wrote:

Got my buddy to test it with vp and tso gear. When he has 6 pieces of vp gear on and casts it, then swaps into tso gear the effect stays up. If he casts it with 6 pieces of tso gear on and then removes a tso gear piece then the effect drops.

This is how I understand it can be bugged. I refuse to take all the time to put on VP set to just swap into TSO set to maybe where 1 less piece. Not to mention that it is not working as intended and I am sure will be fixed.

With TSO pieces this bug does not work.

thial · 11-20-2009, 05:58 PM

other classes can exploit there vp armor too not just sk...

Lethe5683 · 11-21-2009, 07:01 AM

Aule@Guk wrote:

Would probably have been when they changed it so that disarming someone's pants doesn't break their set bonuses. Rather than, I dunno, not have a mechanic as stupid as disarming someone's pants?

Disarming someone's pants? [Removed for Content], what does that?

Quicksilver74 · 11-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Avatar of Mischief. He pulls your pants down.

This is a prime reason why set gear is just a bad idea. Stick to individual pieces of gear, and put the Focus effects on individual pieces.

10-21-2009, 01:28 PM	#3
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	ZerkerDwarf wrote: Is it true that SKs can exploit the 6 bonus from VP/TSO without wearing 6 items? That would be quite unfair (e.g. putting on 6 VP, casting bloodletter and then switching over to the current 5 TSO pieces or replacing TSO pieces by avatar gear). But balancing fighters has always been a problem that never seems to be fixed. No, this is not true. It is actually something they fixed back in RoK. As soon as you take off the 6th piece it removes BL from you completely and you have to wait for the recast to put it up again and if you put it up with only 5 pieces on you get just 1 trigger of BL. Now I know for a fact that other classes can bug this and make it so they get their 6 set without actually wearing 6 pieces. It takes recasting the ability multiple times and removing the item. cough Bruisers cough. Since SKs can't recast BL right away they can't bug it like some other can either. __________________

10-21-2009, 02:16 PM	#4
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	You're incorrect Bruener, they can currently cast it and then swap gear. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

10-21-2009, 02:19 PM	#5
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	Aule@Guk wrote: You're incorrect Bruener, they can currently cast it and then swap gear. Funny because I just took a piece off yesterday and it removes BL right away. Unless there is some serious trick that I am unaware of at this time that is not the case. I guess I will have to ask around tonight. I guess if it does work than it is in-line with what the other classes are buggin out on their 6-set. __________________

10-21-2009, 02:30 PM	#6
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	I dunno how it works as I don't have an sk, but I know sk's that talk about using their VP set to get 2 charges since they don't have 6 pieces of tso gear. I know I've heard them complain that they zoned while not qualified for the bonus and so were down to only one charge and either had to wait 3 mins for the buff to cycle or needed to re-equip for the buff and zone out and back in. Oh that and when some idiot sk buys gear from the raid their in and overwrites their bloodletter when they zone in to loot, thanx gud stahking soe! __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

10-21-2009, 04:24 PM	#7
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	Aule@Guk wrote: I dunno how it works as I don't have an sk, but I know sk's that talk about using their VP set to get 2 charges since they don't have 6 pieces of tso gear. I know I've heard them complain that they zoned while not qualified for the bonus and so were down to only one charge and either had to wait 3 mins for the buff to cycle or needed to re-equip for the buff and zone out and back in. Oh that and when some idiot sk buys gear from the raid their in and overwrites their bloodletter when they zone in to loot, thanx gud stahking soe! Yeah well the VP set does give 2 triggers of BL....as long as you are wearing the 6 set. Unless you are saying that they can keep 2 triggers of BL without either 6 set on. In RoK that was changed pretty fast so that you couldn't put up 2 triggers unless you are actually wearing the 6 pieces. TSO set is exactly the same way. __________________

10-20-2009, 08:55 PM	#1
ZerkerDwarf Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 602	Is it true that SKs can exploit the 6 bonus from VP/TSO without wearing 6 items? That would be quite unfair (e.g. putting on 6 VP, casting bloodletter and then switching over to the current 5 TSO pieces or replacing TSO pieces by avatar gear). But balancing fighters has always been a problem that never seems to be fixed.

10-21-2009, 10:23 AM	#2
Enoe Loremaster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 375	yea its true

10-21-2009, 05:18 PM	#8
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't know about TSO set, but you can put on 6 set VP, then cast bloodletter, then remove the VP gear and retain the 2 charges until you zone. All the sk's that I know who have 6 set VP do this. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

10-21-2009, 05:25 PM	#9
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	Aule@Guk wrote: Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't know about TSO set, but you can put on 6 set VP, then cast bloodletter, then remove the VP gear and retain the 2 charges until you zone. All the sk's that I know who have 6 set VP do this. Well I guess I will have to verify this, break out the old VP set. But I know that this did work in the past in RoK but SOE did change it so you had to be wearing the set to get the bonus. Not sure how they would have broken that mechanic recently. __________________

10-22-2009, 03:16 AM	#10
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Would probably have been when they changed it so that disarming someone's pants doesn't break their set bonuses. Rather than, I dunno, not have a mechanic as stupid as disarming someone's pants? __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

10-22-2009, 04:09 AM	#11
Boli32 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,425	Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses.

10-22-2009, 12:18 PM	#12
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Boli32 wrote: Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses. Just cause you see the spam does NOT mean the effect was reduced. The same thing is done with the templar 4 piece bonus. You can cast your buff, swap out your gear, and your group is sitll affected by the greater buffing provided by the 4 set. Now, as soon as you zone, or someone goes out of range and back in for that buff, it drops back down to the current value. However the applied buff does not change, even though the value on the examine has. You can verify this on the templar pieces by looking at the hp values of your group as you buff and swap gear. __________________

10-22-2009, 01:23 PM	#13
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	Atan@Unrest wrote: Boli32 wrote: Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses. Just cause you see the spam does NOT mean the effect was reduced. The same thing is done with the templar 4 piece bonus. You can cast your buff, swap out your gear, and your group is sitll affected by the greater buffing provided by the 4 set. Now, as soon as you zone, or someone goes out of range and back in for that buff, it drops back down to the current value. However the applied buff does not change, even though the value on the examine has. You can verify this on the templar pieces by looking at the hp values of your group as you buff and swap gear. That sounds all good and great for Templars....BUT for SKs BL drops immediately, period. You take off a piece and drop it to 5, the buff is stripped from you and the recast timer of 3 min is set on BL. Other classes might be able to bug stuff out, but SKs cannot. __________________

10-22-2009, 02:08 PM	#14
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Did you break out your old vp set and test it yet? __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

10-22-2009, 02:24 PM	#15
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Bruener wrote: That sounds all good and great for Templars....BUT for SKs BL drops immediately, period. You take off a piece and drop it to 5, the buff is stripped from you and the recast timer of 3 min is set on BL. Other classes might be able to bug stuff out, but SKs cannot. Well I have templar with 4 piece, I don't have an SK with VP gear. I can't verify the SK issue personally, but I'm told by other SK's that it indeed does work. You just have to reapply it everytime you zone (just like the templar exploit). __________________

10-22-2009, 02:31 PM	#16
Boli32 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,425	Atan@Unrest wrote: Boli32 wrote: Disarming an item breaks the set bonuses. just go to maidens (RoK) and have your helm disarmed constantly by the final named... you'll see a nice little spam saying you loose and recieve set bonuses. Just cause you see the spam does NOT mean the effect was reduced. The same thing is done with the templar 4 piece bonus. You can cast your buff, swap out your gear, and your group is sitll affected by the greater buffing provided by the 4 set. Now, as soon as you zone, or someone goes out of range and back in for that buff, it drops back down to the current value. However the applied buff does not change, even though the value on the examine has. You can verify this on the templar pieces by looking at the hp values of your group as you buff and swap gear. Tested, and yes the effect drops as well... incidentally a little quirkis the appearance also drops as well so your face is clear to see

11-02-2009, 06:31 PM	#17
Aule Server: Guk Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,360	Got my buddy to test it with vp and tso gear. When he has 6 pieces of vp gear on and casts it, then swaps into tso gear the effect stays up. If he casts it with 6 pieces of tso gear on and then removes a tso gear piece then the effect drops. __________________ guk.Aule - 90 coercer \| Troops of Doom \| 90 bruiser - guk.Krindi

11-19-2009, 04:21 PM	#18
Moralpanic Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	I don't know what you guys are doing, but on my SK, i can keep my 6 piece VP set bonus when i swap out of it. The only problem is when i zone, that's the only time i lose the 2 BL and it changes to 1 BL. But if i swap gear just before zoning i'm fine.

11-20-2009, 12:44 PM	#19
Bruener Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,010	Aule@Guk wrote: Got my buddy to test it with vp and tso gear. When he has 6 pieces of vp gear on and casts it, then swaps into tso gear the effect stays up. If he casts it with 6 pieces of tso gear on and then removes a tso gear piece then the effect drops. This is how I understand it can be bugged. I refuse to take all the time to put on VP set to just swap into TSO set to maybe where 1 less piece. Not to mention that it is not working as intended and I am sure will be fixed. With TSO pieces this bug does not work. __________________

11-20-2009, 05:58 PM	#20
thial Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 257	other classes can exploit there vp armor too not just sk... __________________

11-21-2009, 07:01 AM	#21
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Aule@Guk wrote: Would probably have been when they changed it so that disarming someone's pants doesn't break their set bonuses. Rather than, I dunno, not have a mechanic as stupid as disarming someone's pants? Disarming someone's pants? [Removed for Content], what does that?

11-23-2009, 04:48 PM	#22
Quicksilver74 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,640	Avatar of Mischief. He pulls your pants down. This is a prime reason why set gear is just a bad idea. Stick to individual pieces of gear, and put the Focus effects on individual pieces.