Why Free To Play does not really gives us subscribers more options [Archive]

arvydys

11-10-2011, 09:30 PM

<cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't get me wrong: I think the recent news are GREAT and I wish it had been done sooner.I think the new F2P pricing table is much better, with access to all races and classes for subscribers.However there is still on glaring problem:In EverQuest 2 nobody wants to log in after a break, as a F2P player, and find their character half naked because all the LEGENDARY/FABLED items are unusable and have been returned to bag slots.This is a big deal breaker for me, as a subscriber.The game remains pretty much PAY TO PLAY, because I can not do anything worthwhile with my character if I log while not being subscribed. And worse, it will actually mess up my character to log in when I am not subscribed.Thus, there is no additional flexibility or options for a subscriber (seeing as the Marketplace is already on live).Consider the spells: if you log in and were only able to cast Expert level of your spells, fine. THat's acceptable and does not stop me from enjoying the game until I decide to sub again for full benefits.But logging in and finding that NONE of my gear is usable? No, thanks.In Summary:1) You need to find a way to unlock and legendary/fabled gear that the character ATTUNED while being subscribed and make sure that any equipped gear remains usable when the player logs in as Silver or Free.2) Speaking of Silver, you need to make sure that anybody who pays a sub will never downgrade to Free, but only to Silver.</blockquote>I think 5 bucks will buy you enough unlockers to get your gear reattuned. Just dont spend all the SC you earn while subbed and youll be ok

Nijia

11-10-2011, 09:40 PM

I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.

Frenzywolf

11-11-2011, 12:27 AM

<cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>As I see it Nijia what incentive would you have to ever pay another subscription if you can just gear up your toon and then quit paying? I am not really all that happy to see F2P come to the normal servers, however it seems it is coming no matter how much I like or dislike it. There needs to be an incentive for players to continue to pay a sub.. otherwise how would it be fair for the rest of us that do pay a sub see someone playing for free have the same advantages as we do paying monthly? Will I be grouping with a level 90 F2P player? Nope! They are a disadvantage with gear and spells and trust me in the future when this is launched and the transition is done, I will be checking out gear before grouping with anyone. I see only treasured on that character I will be going the other way.I feel how it is going down is at least fair. You pay nothing you don't get all the content period at least be happy you will be able to still play.. more than you can do now.

bluefish

11-11-2011, 01:12 AM

SmokeJumper

11-11-2011, 01:20 AM

<cite>Nanyea wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the F2P people or at least the silver need limited access to broker to sell things and keep the broker economy healthy, maybe make their stuff 20% more expensive (but taking it out of the sellers end instead of the buyers)</blockquote>That's a natural thought, and it's one of the things we watched carefully on Freeport. But it just didn't turn out that way. The broker on Freeport is robust (although it started out lean because everyone on the server was level 1...it took time to mature). We had to make a few tweaks after launch (allowing Silver/Free to buy from the broker, but sell only via marketplace unlock charges, thus creating a bigger purchasing base for sellers), but it's great now.

SmokeJumper

11-11-2011, 01:22 AM

<cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.

SmokeJumper

11-11-2011, 01:32 AM

<cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>If what you want is for everything to be unlocked for you completely when you log back in, you'd have to do what you have to do today. You'd have to become a subscriber (or as we'll be calling it soon, get a Gold membership).The flexibility in that case would be that you could pay for either a recurring or non-recurring subscription. So if you just wanted to pay for one month and not have to worry about it recurring because you're trying things oiut, you can do that now.Additionally, I'll be really surprised if we don't find a way to run winback or other marketing campaigns that would be designed to let you come back as a Gold member occasionally. (Or something to that same effect, anyway.)On the other hand, if you did want to just come back as a Free account, then yes, you'd be subject to the Free restrictions. This, however, is a significant improvement over what you'd face now...which would be no access at all (unless you come in via a marketing program like the free trial or RAF...but in that case, please see above).You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.

Maroger

11-11-2011, 01:57 AM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>If what you want is for everything to be unlocked for you completely when you log back in, you'd have to do what you have to do today. You'd have to become a subscriber (or as we'll be calling it soon, get a Gold membership).The flexibility in that case would be that you could pay for either a recurring or non-recurring subscription. So if you just wanted to pay for one month and not have to worry about it recurring because you're trying things oiut, you can do that now.Additionally, I'll be really surprised if we don't find a way to run winback or other marketing campaigns that would be designed to let you come back as a Gold member occasionally. (Or something to that same effect, anyway.)On the other hand, if you did want to just come back as a Free account, then yes, you'd be subject to the Free restrictions. This, however, is a significant improvement over what you'd face now...which would be no access at all (unless you come in via a marketing program like the free trial or RAF...but in that case, please see above).You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>Those of us who currently have station Access and continue with the subscription - what happens to our access to EQ LIVE and Vanguar - I still have characters on both of those and I am afraid I am going to lose access with this new plan. Don't you think that the access to those two games should be grandfathered in along with out character slots. This seems like it will not be good for those with station access if we lose access to the other games.

Rijacki

11-11-2011, 02:03 AM

<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>If what you want is for everything to be unlocked for you completely when you log back in, you'd have to do what you have to do today. You'd have to become a subscriber (or as we'll be calling it soon, get a Gold membership).The flexibility in that case would be that you could pay for either a recurring or non-recurring subscription. So if you just wanted to pay for one month and not have to worry about it recurring because you're trying things oiut, you can do that now.Additionally, I'll be really surprised if we don't find a way to run winback or other marketing campaigns that would be designed to let you come back as a Gold member occasionally. (Or something to that same effect, anyway.)On the other hand, if you did want to just come back as a Free account, then yes, you'd be subject to the Free restrictions. This, however, is a significant improvement over what you'd face now...which would be no access at all (unless you come in via a marketing program like the free trial or RAF...but in that case, please see above).You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>Those of us who currently have station Access and continue with the subscription - what happens to our access to EQ LIVE and Vanguar - I still have characters on both of those and I am afraid I am going to lose access with this new plan. Don't you think that the access to those two games should be grandfathered in along with out character slots. This seems like it will not be good for those with station access if we lose access to the other games.</blockquote>Station Access will have Gold level membership in EQ2 and nothing happens to the Vanguard subscription.From the <a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5027" target="_blank">FAQ</a>:10. I have an All Access membership. What does this mean for EverQuest II? Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership. However, Gold access is only available while you have an active All Access subscription.

Maroger

11-11-2011, 02:08 AM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>If what you want is for everything to be unlocked for you completely when you log back in, you'd have to do what you have to do today. You'd have to become a subscriber (or as we'll be calling it soon, get a Gold membership).The flexibility in that case would be that you could pay for either a recurring or non-recurring subscription. So if you just wanted to pay for one month and not have to worry about it recurring because you're trying things oiut, you can do that now.Additionally, I'll be really surprised if we don't find a way to run winback or other marketing campaigns that would be designed to let you come back as a Gold member occasionally. (Or something to that same effect, anyway.)On the other hand, if you did want to just come back as a Free account, then yes, you'd be subject to the Free restrictions. This, however, is a significant improvement over what you'd face now...which would be no access at all (unless you come in via a marketing program like the free trial or RAF...but in that case, please see above).You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>Those of us who currently have station Access and continue with the subscription - what happens to our access to EQ LIVE and Vanguar - I still have characters on both of those and I am afraid I am going to lose access with this new plan. Don't you think that the access to those two games should be grandfathered in along with out character slots. This seems like it will not be good for those with station access if we lose access to the other games.</blockquote>Station Access will have Gold level membership in EQ2 and nothing happens to the Vanguard subscription.From the <a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5027" target="_blank">FAQ</a>:10. I have an All Access membership. What does this mean for EverQuest II?Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership. However, Gold access is only available while you have an active All Access subscription.</blockquote>*insults are not necessary* - gold access is only $14.99 - Station access = $19.99 - Station Access INCLUDES access to EQ LIVE and VANGUARD for the price. Nothing has been said about this gold account giving you access to the other 2 games as in Station Access. Its sounds like we may be going to be foraced to pay for a subscription To EQLIVE and could end up costing us more money.I AM AGAINST THIS CHANGE without clarification on the free access to the other 2 games.

Deveryn

11-11-2011, 02:29 AM

<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote>Those of us who currently have station Access and continue with the subscription - what happens to our access to EQ LIVE and Vanguar - I still have characters on both of those and I am afraid I am going to lose access with this new plan. Don't you think that the access to those two games should be grandfathered in along with out character slots. This seems like it will not be good for those with station access if we lose access to the other games.</blockquote>Station Access will have Gold level membership in EQ2 and nothing happens to the Vanguard subscription.From the <a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5027" target="_blank">FAQ</a>:10. I have an All Access membership. What does this mean for EverQuest II?Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership. However, Gold access is only available while you have an active All Access subscription.</blockquote>I see you are having your usual reading problems, Rijacki - gold access is only $14.99 - Station access = $19.99 - Station Access INCLUDES access to EQ LIVE and VANGUARD for the price. Nothing has been said about this gold account giving you access to the other 2 games as in Station Access. Its sounds like we may be going to be foraced to pay for a subscription To EQLIVE and could end up costing us more money.I AM AGAINST THIS CHANGE without clarification on the free access to the other 2 games.</blockquote>You'd have to look at the other two FAQs for those games or maybe there's an answer on the SOE site. If they have similar deals for access, then it's possible you get gold in each game under Station Access.

Rijacki

11-11-2011, 03:18 AM

<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>If what you want is for everything to be unlocked for you completely when you log back in, you'd have to do what you have to do today. You'd have to become a subscriber (or as we'll be calling it soon, get a Gold membership).The flexibility in that case would be that you could pay for either a recurring or non-recurring subscription. So if you just wanted to pay for one month and not have to worry about it recurring because you're trying things oiut, you can do that now.Additionally, I'll be really surprised if we don't find a way to run winback or other marketing campaigns that would be designed to let you come back as a Gold member occasionally. (Or something to that same effect, anyway.)On the other hand, if you did want to just come back as a Free account, then yes, you'd be subject to the Free restrictions. This, however, is a significant improvement over what you'd face now...which would be no access at all (unless you come in via a marketing program like the free trial or RAF...but in that case, please see above).You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>Those of us who currently have station Access and continue with the subscription - what happens to our access to EQ LIVE and Vanguar - I still have characters on both of those and I am afraid I am going to lose access with this new plan. Don't you think that the access to those two games should be grandfathered in along with out character slots. This seems like it will not be good for those with station access if we lose access to the other games.</blockquote>Station Access will have Gold level membership in EQ2 and nothing happens to the Vanguard subscription.From the <a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5027" target="_blank">FAQ</a>:10. I have an All Access membership. What does this mean for EverQuest II?Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership. However, Gold access is only available while you have an active All Access subscription.</blockquote>I see you are having your usual reading problems, Rijacki - gold access is only $14.99 - Station access = $19.99 - Station Access INCLUDES access to EQ LIVE and VANGUARD for the price. Nothing has been said about this gold account giving you access to the other 2 games as in Station Access. Its sounds like we may be going to be foraced to pay for a subscription To EQLIVE and could end up costing us more money.I AM AGAINST THIS CHANGE without clarification on the free access to the other 2 games.</blockquote>You are the one with reading issues.No change is being made to All Access (the new name for Station Access) for any game other than EQ2/E2X:<a href="http://www.soe.com/allaccess/faq.vm" target="_blank">http://www.soe.com/allaccess/faq.vm:</a>[Currently]The SOE All Access game pass grants game time for all of the following games:<ul ><li>DC Universe™ Online (PC version) [This is now Legendary or whatever the premimum access is called]</li><li>EverQuest® (PC and Mac versions)</li><li>EverQuest II</li><li>EverQuest II Extended - Gold Membership Included!</li><li>EverQuest Online Adventures™ (PlayStation® 2)</li><li>Pirates of the Burning Sea® - Captain's Club Membership Included!</li><li>PlanetSide®</li><li>Vanguard: Saga of Heroes</li><li>Free Realms® (PC and Mac versions) Membership Included!Star Wars®: Clone Wars Adventures™ (PC and Mac versions) Jedi™ Membership Included!</li></ul>The only thing changing are the two lines for EverQuest II and EverQuest II Extended will be merged into one with the "Gold Membership" portion remaining. That's what "Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership." means. You will get GOLD access in EQ2 if you have an All Access account.There was no need to specifically mention Vanguard's access in an FAQ about EQ2 going F2P because it doesn't affect Vanguard or your access there one iota!

Maroger

11-11-2011, 03:47 AM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote>If what you want is for everything to be unlocked for you completely when you log back in, you'd have to do what you have to do today. You'd have to become a subscriber (or as we'll be calling it soon, get a Gold membership).The flexibility in that case would be that you could pay for either a recurring or non-recurring subscription. So if you just wanted to pay for one month and not have to worry about it recurring because you're trying things oiut, you can do that now.Additionally, I'll be really surprised if we don't find a way to run winback or other marketing campaigns that would be designed to let you come back as a Gold member occasionally. (Or something to that same effect, anyway.)On the other hand, if you did want to just come back as a Free account, then yes, you'd be subject to the Free restrictions. This, however, is a significant improvement over what you'd face now...which would be no access at all (unless you come in via a marketing program like the free trial or RAF...but in that case, please see above).You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>Those of us who currently have station Access and continue with the subscription - what happens to our access to EQ LIVE and Vanguar - I still have characters on both of those and I am afraid I am going to lose access with this new plan. Don't you think that the access to those two games should be grandfathered in along with out character slots. This seems like it will not be good for those with station access if we lose access to the other games.</blockquote>Station Access will have Gold level membership in EQ2 and nothing happens to the Vanguard subscription.From the <a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/5027" target="_blank">FAQ</a>:10. I have an All Access membership. What does this mean for EverQuest II?Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership. However, Gold access is only available while you have an active All Access subscription.</blockquote>I see you are having your usual reading problems, Rijacki - gold access is only $14.99 - Station access = $19.99 - Station Access INCLUDES access to EQ LIVE and VANGUARD for the price. Nothing has been said about this gold account giving you access to the other 2 games as in Station Access. Its sounds like we may be going to be foraced to pay for a subscription To EQLIVE and could end up costing us more money.I AM AGAINST THIS CHANGE without clarification on the free access to the other 2 games.</blockquote>You are the one with reading issues.No change is being made to All Access (the new name for Station Access) for any game other than EQ2/E2X:<a href="http://www.soe.com/allaccess/faq.vm" target="_blank">http://www.soe.com/allaccess/faq.vm:</a>[Currently]The SOE All Access game pass grants game time for all of the following games:<ul><li>DC Universe™ Online (PC version) [This is now Legendary or whatever the premimum access is called]</li><li>EverQuest® (PC and Mac versions)</li><li>EverQuest II</li><li>EverQuest II Extended - Gold Membership Included!</li><li>EverQuest Online Adventures™ (PlayStation® 2)</li><li>Pirates of the Burning Sea® - Captain's Club Membership Included!</li><li>PlanetSide®</li><li>Vanguard: Saga of Heroes</li><li>Free Realms® (PC and Mac versions) Membership Included!Star Wars®: Clone Wars Adventures™ (PC and Mac versions) Jedi™ Membership Included!</li></ul>The only thing changing are the two lines for EverQuest II and EverQuest II Extended will be merged into one with the "Gold Membership" portion remaining. That's what "Being an All Access member you will receive the premium Gold level membership." means. You will get GOLD access in EQ2 if you have an All Access account.There was no need to specifically mention Vanguard's access in an FAQ about EQ2 going F2P because it doesn't affect Vanguard or your access there one iota!</blockquote>And what about my 13 character slots?*Political discussion is not permitted here* <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />

Deveryn

11-11-2011, 03:57 AM

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Rijacki

11-11-2011, 04:26 AM

<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote>And what about my 13 character slots?You are the Rick Perry of EQ2.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>And you weren't asking about character slots with your mention of Vanguard and EQ2 with All Access, etc. Besides, if you'd read any of the threads today or just only SmokeJumper's posts (easily accessible via the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/search/search.m?clean=1&sortBy=time&sortDir=DESC&group=Developer" target="_blank">Dev Tracker</a>), you would even find out the exact answer to the question you are asking -now- instead of the one you claim I'm not understanding or forgetting or whatever (even your insult doesn't make sense):<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=350&topic_id=509050�" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...509050�</a><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Labruja wrote:</cite><blockquote>What about those of us who have the extra slots due to All Access? Will we lose those slots now?</blockquote>Checking on SA. I don't have that info at my fingertips currently, but will get an answer shortly.</blockquote>Checked on it. If you have SA slots currently (we don't offer slots on SA currently, but people that had them before the change are grandfathered in still), then you will keep those SA slots after the changeover.</blockquote>I'm tempted to trade you insult for insult but you're flinging insults because you're the one who is ignorant. I at least actually look for information and don't assume the world revolves solely around me and thus all answers have to be delivered on a silver platter to me directly. -I- have no problems reading.As a side note: I have SA (or rather All Access as it is called now) on one of my accounts with nearly all character slots filled. I also play a few other games from time to time on that account. I've had SA on that account for -years-. I used to have SA on my second account but converted it to standard shortly before the change to All Access and the dropping of the character slot benefit. That account didn't (and won't) get grandfathered slots since it wasn't SA at the time of -that- conversion.I'm currently debating letting my second account go to Silver, paying for race/class unlocks with that ONE TIME fee and then unlocking other things as I need/want them. I haven't decided yet. It would be cheaper, but the plat cap and quest journal cap would drive me nuts <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (those are the 2 things for which I think there are no one time unlocks, though I could be wrong.) Without the 'pay to win' things on the Marketplace, I actually think F2P might be a good thing over all -and- cheaper for most players.

Darq

11-11-2011, 09:06 AM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm talking about a level 90 character, not starting new characters from level 1.I'm not going to switch every equipment slot with Treasured just to fool around and not being able to run a random last expansion dungeon.The incentive to pay, is simply there as soon as you get a new fabled/legendary drop that is an upgrade, a new master, more plats than you can handle, etc.For me there is no incentive to log back in to check out new updates, when I find my level 90 character naked and unusable.If I have to buy a bunch of Unlock items just to play the level 90 character to get a feel if I want to sub again, that defeats the purpose of being able to play for free.I understand it's EQ2 and they don't have to do it like other games, I'm just saying for a level 90 character (ie. long time player), there is no flexibility in the pricing model. It's pay to play.Being able to simply log in my character and say "hi" doesn't count as a flexibility.Seeing as you always get new gear as you progress in the game I think they should really unlock any gear that is obtained while being subscribed.All I'm saying is... looking at the F2P pricing models right now... I have flexibility in LOTRO. I know in LOTRO if I stop to pay and come back two months later, I will be able to ride my horse, I will be able to use all my five bags, because they were earned when I paid a subscription, and they remain usable.There are enough limits in the game. All they're doing is making less people want to come back in and play.</blockquote><...>You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>I wrote a lengthy text but reconsidered. So I'll just say, SF isn't free, we already paid for it and all content up to SF with our subscription fees and with the expansions purchased. Long term success involves trust. And trust has been broken on more than one occasion from SOE's side. Also the players are a valuable resource.However it is what it is.F2P, good, however for once take a look in the right direction for inspiration. DDO is a good example.Tired of repeating myself. For now it's the right choice since what once made the game unique and the best on the market is gone. You will have to decide at some point if you want real F2P+micro or continue on the extended trial path.From just an egotistic player's view, great I get to group with people not only at level 90. Leveling up alts in groups and open or closed dungeons were a big part of the game I enjoyed.edit: Not happy at all with the restrictions if the subscription expires. So yeah we don't get anything for free, we get stuff taken away. Characters in DoV get punished (only Legendary+ items) while one can have fun with low level characters. All that raid gear one worked for and paid the subscription for, useless. Characters that don't fit the race/class restrictions - useless and unplayable. This is just a money grab on your part, regular players only have to option to subscribe or leave because if you're not subscribed you get slapped in the face by the restrictions. Rethink this before it's too late, well meant advice.

Labruja

11-11-2011, 09:32 AM

How does this impact so negatively on subscribers? EQ2Live - Subscribe for full access or if subscription lapses you will have no access to account.EQ2Live/Extended merge - Subscribe for full access or if subscription lapses you will only have limited access to account.This is worse.... how?

Cyliena

11-11-2011, 09:36 AM

<cite>Labruja wrote:</cite><blockquote>How does this impact so negatively on subscribers? EQ2Live - Subscribe for full access or if subscription lapses you will have no access to account.EQ2Live/Extended merge - Subscribe for full access or if subscription lapses you will only have limited access to account.This is worse.... how?</blockquote>Exactly, it's not worse. If you can't pay for a month, you can still play in some fashion instead of being locked out of your account. Though having a backup set of Mastercrafted laying around might be in your best interests in this circumstance. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Foofybun

11-11-2011, 10:36 AM

the 3 day weekend warrior pass is gone when F2P goes live. Thats been my ONLY option for playing this year due to lack of funds. Stupid econmy, grr. Anyway, like others have said, if you have races/classes not on the "free" list, you will get an unplayable toon upon login.An expense to unlock your race/class for a single toon, never mind your whole account,will already cost the same as just paying for thre gold sub. This obviously leaves zero options if you are on a budget like myself. I was happy to at least play , I got all features for a 3 day pass. I was able to play all 5 of my accounts this way to some degree while Im going through a tough time.Now my options are to pay for gold and only get to play one account (especially tough for a holiday event because then I have to choose, /angry) and thats only a big IF I can pay $15. Some times, I can only pay the $5 3 day pass or not eat.Or I can try unlocking aspects of my account to get a semblence of full access, and I might add, majority of my toons will need unlockers. 750 race +750 class is $15, so Im back to just paying gold and getting access to everything.Really sucks to not have choices in the matter. Also, I paid for classes via different expacs over the years, similar to how the BLS are handled, but we arent getting them as an automatic unlock,why?

Valdaglerion

11-11-2011, 10:39 AM

<cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't get me wrong: I think the recent news are GREAT and I wish it had been done sooner.I think the new F2P pricing table is much better, with access to all races and classes for subscribers.However there is still on glaring problem:In EverQuest 2 nobody wants to log in after a break, as a F2P player, and find their character half naked because all the LEGENDARY/FABLED items are unusable and have been returned to bag slots.This is a big deal breaker for me, as a subscriber.The game remains pretty much PAY TO PLAY, because I can not do anything worthwhile with my character if I log while not being subscribed. And worse, it will actually mess up my character to log in when I am not subscribed.Thus, there is no additional flexibility or options for a subscriber (seeing as the Marketplace is already on live).Consider the spells: if you log in and were only able to cast Expert level of your spells, fine. THat's acceptable and does not stop me from enjoying the game until I decide to sub again for full benefits.But logging in and finding that NONE of my gear is usable? No, thanks.In Summary:1) You need to find a way to unlock and legendary/fabled gear that the character ATTUNED while being subscribed and make sure that any equipped gear remains usable when the player logs in as Silver or Free.2) Speaking of Silver, you need to make sure that anybody who pays a sub will never downgrade to Free, but only to Silver.</blockquote>You dont lose it but it does become as you note, unuseable until you are at a subscription level. Easy solution ifyou are taking a break - downgrade to Free, re-sub on return and hit the macro you create to re-equip your gear and start playing. Allowing people to circumvent the restrictions when they downgrade their sub is a bad thing. Ok, I have my top end gear time to downgrade and play for free until the next xpac? No, that would never happen. Plat farmers would love that one. Set up box sets all day long in good gear that didnt require any further upgrade to run effectively and then downgrade them all to free and farm with basically 1 subbed toon and an army of free ones? Nah...wouldnt happen.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

MrWolfie

11-11-2011, 11:01 AM

<cite>Darq wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not happy at all with the restrictions if the subscription expires. So yeah we don't get anything for free, we get stuff taken away.</blockquote>QFE.As far as I'm concerned, as an 8 year vet with all the expansions bought, I already paid for the content I have. On this account, I have already unlocked all the races and all the classes, and as I've pre-ordered the next expansion, Beastlords too. Everything I have right now, everything attuned, extra bag slots, fully mastered spell lists - they're already bought & paid for.If I start a new account, I'll have to pay to unlock stuff. I understand.If I let my subscription lapse, I'll have to pay to unlock new content/items. I understand.But if there are devices to unlock those things you're considering taking away from lapsed subscribers, I would suggest that you deem all current subscriptions in good standing to have already unlocked what they currently have access to.

Jacquotte

11-11-2011, 11:24 AM

<cite>Nijia@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't get me wrong: I think the recent news are GREAT and I wish it had been done sooner.I think the new F2P pricing table is much better, with access to all races and classes for subscribers.However there is still on glaring problem:In EverQuest 2 nobody wants to log in after a break, as a F2P player, and find their character half naked because all the LEGENDARY/FABLED items are unusable and have been returned to bag slots.This is a big deal breaker for me, as a subscriber.The game remains pretty much PAY TO PLAY, because I can not do anything worthwhile with my character if I log while not being subscribed. And worse, it will actually mess up my character to log in when I am not subscribed.Thus, there is no additional flexibility or options for a subscriber (seeing as the Marketplace is already on live).Consider the spells: if you log in and were only able to cast Expert level of your spells, fine. THat's acceptable and does not stop me from enjoying the game until I decide to sub again for full benefits.But logging in and finding that NONE of my gear is usable? No, thanks.In Summary:1) You need to find a way to unlock and legendary/fabled gear that the character ATTUNED while being subscribed and make sure that any equipped gear remains usable when the player logs in as Silver or Free.2) Speaking of Silver, you need to make sure that anybody who pays a sub will never downgrade to Free, but only to Silver.</blockquote>this businessmodel is how you REALLY make money, get with the times!as for all us livegamers, gold costs the same as our current sub and there is no difference between the two, NOTHING will change for us, apart from MORE players online... and alot more come-and-go n00bs, sadly

Kursa

11-11-2011, 11:27 AM

As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!

screenid

11-11-2011, 11:37 AM

<cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> LOL you are not going to notice the difference. There is no FLAG above a FTP players head that says FTP .Most players that want to stay FTP but are serious about the game...will upgrade to silver and buy unlockers for equipment and Master Spells. (or they will FTP to lvl cap then SUB gold for end game) You will only know they are FTP --if they TELL YOU.

Onurissa

11-11-2011, 11:46 AM

<cite>Foofybunny wrote:</cite><blockquote>the 3 day weekend warrior pass is gone when F2P goes live. Thats been my ONLY option for playing this year due to lack of funds. Stupid econmy, grr. Anyway, like others have said, if you have races/classes not on the "free" list, you will get an unplayable toon upon login.An expense to unlock your race/class for a single toon, never mind your whole account,will already cost the same as just paying for thre gold sub. This obviously leaves zero options if you are on a budget like myself. I was happy to at least play , I got all features for a 3 day pass. I was able to play all 5 of my accounts this way to some degree while Im going through a tough time.Now my options are to pay for gold and only get to play one account (especially tough for a holiday event because then I have to choose, /angry) and thats only a big IF I can pay $15. Some times, I can only pay the $5 3 day pass or not eat.Or I can try unlocking aspects of my account to get a semblence of full access, and I might add, majority of my toons will need unlockers. 750 race +750 class is $15, so Im back to just paying gold and getting access to everything.Really sucks to not have choices in the matter. Also, I paid for classes via different expacs over the years, similar to how the BLS are handled, but we arent getting them as an automatic unlock,why?</blockquote>You have 5 accts and you claim you pay for the 3 day passes to play them all? So thats 15$ why not consolidate down to ONE acct and pay the $15 and voila, you are set?

screenid

11-11-2011, 11:48 AM

Also-- if you are GOLD and stop paying for a few months -- you can still access and Play the game. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /> DARE I SAY IT -- YOU would be a FTP Player... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" />Really the DRAMA over this is silly... the only impact to live servers will be an influx of players

puglover1958

11-11-2011, 12:07 PM

I am wondering if I will have to pay extra for the free to play and I just subscribed for a whole year at the beginning of November. Now I feel like a fool for not holding off of the subscription. Will I lose the money I put into subscribing for a year subscription.

Onurissa

11-11-2011, 12:12 PM

<cite>puglover1958 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am wondering if I will have to pay extra for the free to play and I just subscribed for a whole year at the beginning of November. Now I feel like a fool for not holding off of the subscription. Will I lose the money I put into subscribing for a year subscription.</blockquote>If you subbed for a year you will have a transition to gold with no changes. I too am paid for a year and my sub will just change to a Gold sub when they make the change. Nothing will change for you. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

SirDinadan

11-11-2011, 12:16 PM

There's a contingent of EQ2 players who wish it was easier to find groups, their guild would attract more committed players, they had more people to talk to, more people to sell to, etc.There's a contingent of EQ2 players who dislike the change to game-wide F2P.I certainly hope no one belongs to both groups. Either you should be happy with a dwindling server population, or you should embrace the F2P change, in order to remain consistent.

puglover1958

11-11-2011, 12:19 PM

oh good. Thank you for your info. I just hated paying money and then having to turn around and pay more money for the game play I have been accustomed to.

Onurissa

11-11-2011, 12:23 PM

<cite>puglover1958 wrote:</cite><blockquote>oh good. Thank you for your info. I just hated paying money and then having to turn around and pay more money for the game play I have been accustomed to.</blockquote>Smoke covered it in the webcast last night, and its also in the letter explaining all the changes, that anyone that is paid will just transfer to a Gold sub with no interruptions or changes. Glad to help <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

puglover1958

11-11-2011, 12:26 PM

I just learned of this change 10 mins ago. I never received a letter from Sony and I have been in the hospital so I just read about it. Was just a shock is all.

puglover1958

11-11-2011, 12:27 PM

I just learned of this change 10 mins ago. I never received a letter from Sony and I have been in the hospital so I just read about it. Was just a shock is all.

Onurissa

11-11-2011, 12:31 PM

<cite>puglover1958 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just learned of this change 10 mins ago. I never received a letter from Sony and I have been in the hospital so I just read about it. Was just a shock is all.</blockquote>It is on their mainpage .... <a href="http://www.everquest2.com">www.everquest2.com</a> You can find all the new "info/changes" etc all on there.

Hacken

11-11-2011, 12:34 PM

Basically, for those of us that play on live, the only change with f2p is going to be an influx of players, which will help at the lower end and possibly make finding a group pre-90 possible. If you already pay for a Live subscription absolutely nothing is changing except that yay you get some free SC every month (I know just the thought of that is so utterly repulsive right?) **and assuming you are on a recurring membership, which most of us are**The All-Access pass does not currently give 12 char slots unless you had the 29.99 Station Pass previously when they switched to All-Access and then you god grandfathered in with the 12 slots so I would assume that will carry over with the f2p switch and you will keep all 12 of your slots because you have already *bought* them according to SoE logic unless they completely drop the ball.The only drawback I really see to the f2p model is at the high-end running heroic instances in DoV, and even then odds are if there are players seeking DoV groups, they most likely are not f2p, and even if they are it will be glaringly obvious before even entering the instance so really there is no real problem there.This only real problem here is, the Live players feel like they are getting the short end of the stick, which really we aren't, but it would really be nice to see at least something to the effect of a title, or vanity item, or something given that is neat and unique even if it is totally useless in the scheme of things as sort of a "hey, thanks for being committed and we do really appreciate your business." I think that the AoD release and gross overpricing has something to do with the state of unrest the player base has just been launched into, even though, should the promises of the amount of free content that is coming in future updates hold true then it evens itself out...but what do i know...Overall its just a horrible fumble of the PR ball by SoE all together and could have been handled in a far better manner that lets the people that pay their salaries know or at least think that they care....way to go sony.

Rick777

11-11-2011, 12:45 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.

Onurissa

11-11-2011, 12:48 PM

<cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.</blockquote>You will only be able to play the races/classes available via free play if you let your acct lapse, however you can buy packages(race/class et) to open them up so you can play them again, whoever you may not be able to use all your gear/spells unless you do the same for those too.

Frenzywolf

11-11-2011, 12:51 PM

<cite>Onurissa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.</blockquote>You will only be able to play the races/classes available via free play if you let your acct lapse, however you can buy packages(race/class et) to open them up so you can play them again, whoever you may not be able to use all your gear/spells unless you do the same for those too.</blockquote>Otherwise either pay the Gold or get nickled and dimed.. nice choice huh?

Rick777

11-11-2011, 01:13 PM

<cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote>We've had an ever widening division for the last couple of xpacs already, accelerated quite a bit my DOV. You have the solo casual players on one side, the ones who will like the silver membership where you don't get master spells, can't equip legendary, etc., and the ones on the other side who prefer group challenges and seek tougher encounters and more group cohesion.I mean, can you see the LFG cries now? "DOV instance group LF one more, gold membership only, no silver or freebies plz, PST."

SirDinadan

11-11-2011, 01:25 PM

<cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I mean, can you see the LFG cries now? "DOV instance group LF one more, gold membership only, no silver or freebies plz, PST."</blockquote>Well, most of those with a F2P account don't have access to DoV, so it doesn't normally even need to be said. But it's usually encoded as a CC/CM requirement, since it would technically be possible for a F2P account to have purchased DoV and unlockers for gear.

Frenzywolf

11-11-2011, 01:35 PM

<cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote>We've had an ever widening division for the last couple of xpacs already, accelerated quite a bit my DOV. You have the solo casual players on one side, the ones who will like the silver membership where you don't get master spells, can't equip legendary, etc., and the ones on the other side who prefer group challenges and seek tougher encounters and more group cohesion.I mean, can you see the LFG cries now? "DOV instance group LF one more, gold membership only, no silver or freebies plz, PST."</blockquote>I too see this coming Rick777 but I think we will not only see it for DoV but across the entire game and levels. There will be some divisions of Gold vs Freebies/Silver.

screenid

11-11-2011, 02:03 PM

<cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote>We've had an ever widening division for the last couple of xpacs already, accelerated quite a bit my DOV. You have the solo casual players on one side, the ones who will like the silver membership where you don't get master spells, can't equip legendary, etc., and the ones on the other side who prefer group challenges and seek tougher encounters and more group cohesion.I mean, can you see the LFG cries now? "DOV instance group LF one more, gold membership only, no silver or freebies plz, PST."</blockquote>I too see this coming Rick777 but I think we will not only see it for DoV but across the entire game and levels. There will be some divisions of Gold vs Freebies/Silver.</blockquote>If a FTP Silver or Bronze person is buying Unlock tokens...you are not going to know what SUB they fall under..We have TONS of NON GOLD players on EQ2X ... who Raid /Group ect... ((that are equipped and play just as good if not better than someone with a full GOLD membership))We ALSO have TONS of GOLD and NON GOLD mebers who try to Raid/Group (( that SUCK ))=-) If you are in a guild and group wiht guildies...you know what you are gettingIf you are in a PUG ...well it is a PUG ...kinda luck reallySILVER and BRONZE memberships can equip up just like a GOLD member, they just have to pay to unlock anything above MASTER CRAFTED.

Frenzywolf

11-11-2011, 02:25 PM

<cite>screenid wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote>We've had an ever widening division for the last couple of xpacs already, accelerated quite a bit my DOV. You have the solo casual players on one side, the ones who will like the silver membership where you don't get master spells, can't equip legendary, etc., and the ones on the other side who prefer group challenges and seek tougher encounters and more group cohesion.I mean, can you see the LFG cries now? "DOV instance group LF one more, gold membership only, no silver or freebies plz, PST."</blockquote>I too see this coming Rick777 but I think we will not only see it for DoV but across the entire game and levels. There will be some divisions of Gold vs Freebies/Silver.</blockquote>If a FTP Silver or Bronze person is buying Unlock tokens...you are not going to know what SUB they fall under..We have TONS of NON GOLD players on EQ2X ... who Raid /Group ect... ((that are equipped and play just as good if not better than someone with a full GOLD membership))We ALSO have TONS of GOLD and NON GOLD mebers who try to Raid/Group (( that SUCK ))=-) If you are in a guild and group wiht guildies...you know what you are gettingIf you are in a PUG ...well it is a PUG ...kinda luck reallySILVER and BRONZE memberships can equip up just like a GOLD member, they just have to pay to unlock anything above MASTER CRAFTED. </blockquote>Oh no doubt they can screenid but that will not stop players putting it out in channels of separating gold vs freebie/silver. You know it will happen.. it is bound to happen. Some live players are not happy with the situation and some are. This is going to take alot of time to adjust to and we will see some divisions for awhile. Some will be welcoming and some will be non-welcoming, it sadly is the nature of things at the moment.

Rijacki

11-11-2011, 03:17 PM

<cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Onurissa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.</blockquote>You will only be able to play the races/classes available via free play if you let your acct lapse, however you can buy packages(race/class et) to open them up so you can play them again, whoever you may not be able to use all your gear/spells unless you do the same for those too.</blockquote>Otherwise either pay the Gold or get nickled and dimed.. nice choice huh?</blockquote>The race/class unlocks are ONE TIME fees for the account. It's not per character, it's not recurring, it's one time only. Equipping items above your membership level is a one time very small fee per item, but if you don't change gear often (it really does slow down in the 'end game'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, you might only have to pay the equivalent of 30 cents for a months worth of game play.

Rick777

11-11-2011, 03:27 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Onurissa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.</blockquote>You will only be able to play the races/classes available via free play if you let your acct lapse, however you can buy packages(race/class et) to open them up so you can play them again, whoever you may not be able to use all your gear/spells unless you do the same for those too.</blockquote>Otherwise either pay the Gold or get nickled and dimed.. nice choice huh?</blockquote>The race/class unlocks are ONE TIME fees for the account. It's not per character, it's not recurring, it's one time only. Equipping items above your membership level is a one time very small fee per item, but if you don't change gear often (it really does slow down in the 'end game'<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />, you might only have to pay the equivalent of 30 cents for a months worth of game play.</blockquote>Is equipping items really per item? I must give SOE credit for this business plan, paying per item to upgrade. Ignoring level 1-90 non DOV content, just in DOV alone you have the solo quest-MC-PQ-thurgadin-rygorr-drunder-em raid-hm raid-drunder raid progression, that's a heck of a lot of item upgrade fees if you have to pay for every slot each time you upgrade. I've enjoyed F2P games, but if I really liked the game I usually end up just paying the 15/month, I can't think of any F2P game where I haven't either stopped playing, or just ponied up the sub fee.

Talathion

11-11-2011, 03:32 PM

- Make Overland Zones harder/group content harder.- Dramaticly Increase AA EXP Gain (x2-x3), Decrease Level EXP Gain.- Encourage more grouping by making zones a little harder and REMOVING the EXP reduction on grouping, you should GAIN exp for grouping (atleast 10% for having 6 people), not lose it, thus making people want to group again!

Nijia

11-12-2011, 02:34 AM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>(...)You may want more, and that's understandable. But this is the trade-off that comes when we make the decision to let you play *all* levels and *all* content up through Sentinel's Fate for free. I think you'll find that you pay for that same sort of content in other F2P MMOs.We like our way better. We think it promotes a better community because anyone can go anywhere and play at any level. That's fun. And Free players on EQ2X seem to be more than happy to live with these restrictions in trade for such an awesome game free of charge.It pretty much depends on what you want, personally. I can't change your mind. Only you can do that. But this is our reasoning. I hope it makes sense.</blockquote>Hi SmokeJumper, thanks for the comments.I'm sorry I didn't explain myself very well.Essentially, it bothers me to log in and find my character "messed" with... just like when we had all our items unattuned. I would like to be able to log in, and find my character in the exact same appearance, and with the exact same inventory layout as I last played it.That is all. It's not about getting more for free. It's a question of user experience. You could nerf the fabled/legendary gear to treasured levels until it is unequipped (and no longer equippable as free/silver), OR... you could disable all bonuses from runes in said gear which would seriously nerf DPS for level 90 characters but not to levels that make the gear worthelss or the character unplayable.This means I don't have to jump through more hoops before I can play, hoops which you and I both know make no sense user experience-wise, but have been put in place for necessity. This is a case where some compromises can be made to make it a better expeirnce for returning players.For me the real flexibility that I was hoping with F2P, is that when i take a break from regular playing, I am able to log in and mess around for 10 minutes, or maybe just log in for a while to check out the changes/ new dungeons/etc. before I decide I want to re-sub or buy more F2P options..... WITHOUT having to re-equip my gear, WITHOUT havingh to sort my bags. WITHOUT risking selling my gear because it may have been mixed in with trash loot that was in the bags.If the master spells now cast as expoert spells, fine. If my fabled/legendary gear doesn't give the same bonuses it used to, fine.I just want to know that I can safely log in my character while being un-subbed, and find it in the exact shape I last left it.Does this makes sense?

Indabuff

11-12-2011, 05:31 AM

All I can say is shame on anyone that judges someone based on the type of account theyhave. You just may miss out on meeting someone you could come to enjoy knowing. Its understandable that you would hesitate to take someone into group that is undergearedbut wanting to label everyone so you know which is which......well.....wow you really needto take a look at yourself....thats pretty awful.No matter how new people would come to the game, through trial or free to play theywill still need to learn the game. From alot of what I have read over this announcementit sounds like you really dont want new players at all but for SOE to simply cater to yourneeds and wants because....well you were here a long time.Simple fact is this is what it is, like it or not. Its up to you what kind of place you want this gameto be. We make or break the community, and trying to tear it down because things are not theway you think they should be is just beyond selfish.

flay_wind

11-12-2011, 06:01 AM

Oookay. I read the thread, i laughed for quite a while at some gems like "DoV instance lfm Whites Gold members ONLY" "The GAME IS RUINED", "I don't want to group with f2p n00bs" and the like. But the truth is, that now basically you can play trial version of the game all the way up to level 90 and for however long you like. It is simple as that.But there the catch. Once you walked Golded Path all the way to RoK you'll get nasty surprise that mobs start hitting like a truck or two and you need something better than (now nerfed) MC gear. Said mobs or rather ^ nameds in the zones also now drop some really good legendary and even fabled items. And because you're playing trial version of the game you can't equip these items.And i remember in the old days when RoK just came out i had a warlock in pretty much treasured gear with adept spells. And it was... brutal, until i got some legendary gear and upgraded spells. You could say that it was "then" and "now" is different. But actually no. Today RoK is as unforgiving to the treasured geared player with adept spells as it was when it was released. Actually it was made harder by the presence of Rime dudes since they hit even harder than usual mobs of RoK. And in terms of difficulty it just goes downhill from there with each new expansion.P.S. I have a great idea. You MUST have gold membership to decorate houses.

Frenzywolf

11-12-2011, 06:14 AM

<cite>flay_wind wrote:</cite><blockquote>P.S. I have a great idea. You MUST have gold membership to decorate houses.</blockquote>I like this idea actually <giggles> Don't see it happening though... after all we do need to give the freebees something to play with!

Malleria

11-12-2011, 06:28 AM

<cite>flay_wind wrote:</cite><blockquote>P.S. I have a great idea. You MUST have gold membership to decorate houses.</blockquote>Giving them just the basic 2 room houses is fine. It'll get them hooked into housing/decorating and they'll want to sub to use the bigger houses.

Frenzywolf

11-12-2011, 06:32 AM

<cite>Malleria wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>flay_wind wrote:</cite><blockquote>P.S. I have a great idea. You MUST have gold membership to decorate houses.</blockquote>Giving them just the basic 2 room houses is fine. It'll get them hooked into housing/decorating and they'll want to sub to use the bigger houses.</blockquote>Another fine idea! However just like you can "buy" your classes and races they can also buy houses so again I don't think that would work.

ranlaen

11-12-2011, 07:59 AM

<cite>flay_wind wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oookay. I read the thread, i laughed for quite a while at some gems like "DoV instance lfm Whites Gold members ONLY" "The GAME IS RUINED", "I don't want to group with f2p n00bs" and the like. But the truth is, that now basically you can play trial version of the game all the way up to level 90 and for however long you like. It is simple as that.But there the catch. Once you walked Golded Path all the way to RoK you'll get nasty surprise that mobs start hitting like a truck or two and you need something better than (now nerfed) MC gear. Said mobs or rather ^ nameds in the zones also now drop some really good legendary and even fabled items. And because you're playing trial version of the game you can't equip these items.And i remember in the old days when RoK just came out i had a warlock in pretty much treasured gear with adept spells. And it was... brutal, until i got some legendary gear and upgraded spells. You could say that it was "then" and "now" is different. But actually no. Today RoK is as unforgiving to the treasured geared player with adept spells as it was when it was released. Actually it was made harder by the presence of Rime dudes since they hit even harder than usual mobs of RoK. And in terms of difficulty it just goes downhill from there with each new expansion.P.S. I have a great idea. You MUST have gold membership to decorate houses.</blockquote>thought we already had gear check in place for that.afterall all i see nowadays is "lfm.min cm 140 cc 220"

Wingrider01

11-12-2011, 11:23 AM

<cite>Arduous@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> LOL you are not going to notice the difference. There is no FLAG above a FTP players head that says FTP .Most players that want to stay FTP but are serious about the game...will upgrade to silver and buy unlockers for equipment and Master Spells. (or they will FTP to lvl cap then SUB gold for end game) You will only know they are FTP --if they TELL YOU.</blockquote>actuallyno, when you grab a tank or any other class and they are having issues with low ball heals or not being able to retain agro frokm a fully mastered class you can suspect one of two things1. they are bad players, always a possiblity if you don;t know them I guess2. they are f2p and only allowed to have experts and low ball gearhave already modified the guild recruitment questionaire to reflect the highest level of spells and combat arts that can be scribed

screenid

11-12-2011, 11:31 AM

<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arduous@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kursa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>As i posted in my previous thread, you cant take a divided community and squash it together and expect it to play nicely. Live and F2P will always be divided and you cant change that Smooshing them into 1 isnt going to fix anything its jsut going to cause further division. on a further note Ill be Forming a guild soon, LIVE VETS ONLY!</blockquote><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> LOL you are not going to notice the difference. There is no FLAG above a FTP players head that says FTP .Most players that want to stay FTP but are serious about the game...will upgrade to silver and buy unlockers for equipment and Master Spells. (or they will FTP to lvl cap then SUB gold for end game) You will only know they are FTP --if they TELL YOU.</blockquote>actuallyno, when you grab a tank or any other class and they are having issues with low ball heals or not being able to retain agro frokm a fully mastered class you can suspect one of two things1. they are bad players, always a possiblity if you don;t know them I guess2. they are f2p and only allowed to have experts and low ball gearhave already modified the guild recruitment questionaire to reflect the highest level of spells and combat arts that can be scribed</blockquote>=-) Bronze and SILVER can scribe master spells and wear legandary /fabled gear... ((Silver and Bronze players can buy unlockers from SC to unlock the ability to scribe master spells and unlock the ability to wear fabled and Legendary loots )) So they could answer that question with ((I can scribe Master spells)) ...it just will cost them a fee =-)~

Kynre

11-12-2011, 04:06 PM

Seems like all the folks at high end level are really panicing over the FTP coming soon.I see it kinda this way. Paying/raiding as we were = Driving FerrariFTP= Ford Focus with options to upgrade etcSoo you have been driving the Ferrari paying all along and now you want to quit paying for it, but still wanna drive. Well like in the real world that repo man is gonna come and take that Ferrari...along with the gear you blinged up with etc etc.If you want to use it, you have to pay either unlock fee or monthly as you were all along... FTP will be good for the lower levels where the new players are needed. does not bother me in the least, where else can you get all this fun for only $15 or $20 a month???

Labruja

11-12-2011, 04:50 PM

I have read some of the posts here with great sadness. I see an elitism developing which has nothing to do with ability or gear, but has to do with how you choose to pay for your game. There really is no difference, and we cannot allow there to be, or we will ALL be responsible for the death of this great game we all claim to love so much. I grew up in a political world where differences created a terrible thing and I cry to see it happening here, in a place where you come for fun, for enjoyment. Please stop doing this, let go of who pays for what and who gets how much more than anyone else for whatever it is they pay... let it go... Become one community, play with people you like, with people you might come to like and help those in need of it, without carrying anyone. Just as you do now. Ignore the minor annoyances and make the best of a situation which is, after all, not game-breaking for anyone. Just stop the hating on each other for silly things. Life is too short for this.

Indabuff

11-12-2011, 05:41 PM

Darq

11-12-2011, 08:17 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Onurissa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.</blockquote>You will only be able to play the races/classes available via free play if you let your acct lapse, however you can buy packages(race/class et) to open them up so you can play them again, whoever you may not be able to use all your gear/spells unless you do the same for those too.</blockquote>Otherwise either pay the Gold or get nickled and dimed.. nice choice huh?</blockquote>The race/class unlocks are ONE TIME fees for the account. It's not per character, it's not recurring, it's one time only. Equipping items above your membership level is a one time very small fee per item, but if you don't change gear often (it really does slow down in the 'end game'<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />, you might only have to pay the equivalent of 30 cents for a months worth of game play.</blockquote>like this ONE TIME we bought the base game and expansions? scnr@flay_wind no they nerfed the overland mobs in RoK

Banedon_Toran

11-12-2011, 08:53 PM

<cite>Labruja wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have read some of the posts here with great sadness. I see an elitism developing which has nothing to do with ability or gear, but has to do with how you choose to pay for your game. There really is no difference, and we cannot allow there to be, or we will ALL be responsible for the death of this great game we all claim to love so much. I grew up in a political world where differences created a terrible thing and I cry to see it happening here, in a place where you come for fun, for enjoyment. Please stop doing this, let go of who pays for what and who gets how much more than anyone else for whatever it is they pay... let it go... Become one community, play with people you like, with people you might come to like and help those in need of it, without carrying anyone. Just as you do now. Ignore the minor annoyances and make the best of a situation which is, after all, not game-breaking for anyone. Just stop the hating on each other for silly things. Life is too short for this.</blockquote>I agree.I find it funny when I read threads about how groups will want gold sub people only, and that 'free' players don't do DoV...=if= we see a lot of groups demanding gold sub people only (not talking highest level raid guilds, just average zone groups) then that's just a sign of elitism. It doesn't happen on Freeport server, and there is no point anyway since plenty of people level to 80ish as silver/bronze and then start working out the quickest route to being DoV equipped buying item unlocks as they go, you can't tell what sub people have.

Crismorn

11-12-2011, 09:09 PM

<cite>Labruja wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have read some of the posts here with great sadness. I see an elitism developing which has nothing to do with ability or gear, but has to do with how you choose to pay for your game. There really is no difference, and we cannot allow there to be, or we will ALL be responsible for the death of this great game we all claim to love so much. I grew up in a political world where differences created a terrible thing and I cry to see it happening here, in a place where you come for fun, for enjoyment. Please stop doing this, let go of who pays for what and who gets how much more than anyone else for whatever it is they pay... let it go... Become one community, play with people you like, with people you might come to like and help those in need of it, without carrying anyone. Just as you do now. Ignore the minor annoyances and make the best of a situation which is, after all, not game-breaking for anyone. Just stop the hating on each other for silly things. Life is too short for this.</blockquote>I don't get this, you guys keep saying that there is no difference yet SoE made the change and people are mad and telling them exactly why they are mad, yet somehow according to you, nothing changed.One thing that did not change is your reading comprehension.

Deveryn

11-12-2011, 09:58 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Labruja wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have read some of the posts here with great sadness. I see an elitism developing which has nothing to do with ability or gear, but has to do with how you choose to pay for your game. There really is no difference, and we cannot allow there to be, or we will ALL be responsible for the death of this great game we all claim to love so much. I grew up in a political world where differences created a terrible thing and I cry to see it happening here, in a place where you come for fun, for enjoyment. Please stop doing this, let go of who pays for what and who gets how much more than anyone else for whatever it is they pay... let it go... Become one community, play with people you like, with people you might come to like and help those in need of it, without carrying anyone. Just as you do now. Ignore the minor annoyances and make the best of a situation which is, after all, not game-breaking for anyone. Just stop the hating on each other for silly things. Life is too short for this.</blockquote>I don't get this, you guys keep saying that there is no difference yet SoE made the change and people are mad and telling them exactly why they are mad, yet somehow according to you, nothing changed.One thing that did not change is your reading comprehension.</blockquote>The ones with the reading comprehension problem are those that are making a lot of the complaints.There are differences, but they are all very much positive. There were a lot of drawbacks to not being subscribed and those are going away. You have research that won't be stopped. Access to housing and use of the broker system won't be suspended. You can catch your favorite events throughout the year. You can stay in touch with friends.The elitism over paying vs. not is pretty silly. I think if anyone is really serious about raiding in the game, they'll cough up the cash and put forth whatever effort is necessary.

Rainmare

11-12-2011, 10:25 PM

the 'elitism' come from the limitations ftp players have on them. now your right, they can buy unlocks to equip master spells legendary+ gear. and if they raid, they probably will.the complaints are from the enivitable amount of people who will buy DoV but be a Ftp player without upgrading thier spells/gear with the unlocks. the people who would rather save and not buy the 'nickel and dime' things and only buy the expansion packs.However, they are still going to want to group. still want to do the dungeons. and your right, I don't want to run Cella for the Enervated Epic update on my shaman, with a tank that can only use mastercrafted gear and adept spells. Not going to happen. I'd drop a group like that in a heartbeat.will this be the norm of the ftp player influx? probably not. I imagine most will buy the unlocks for master spells and legenardy/fabled gear. but will there be enough players like that, that it'll get noticed and become a stigma against all ftp players? I'd bet my last dollar on it.My only complaint about Ftp was the 'pay to win' items on the freeport marketplace. the obliteration wand, the power and health potions, mastercrafted gear (especially since my main toon is an armorer) but SJ said when this merge happens those are going away.now the only thing about ftp that would worry me is the situation I posted above. someone with ftp account, who doesn't pay for the spell/gear unlocks...wanting to do harder instances, and complaining when they can't get groups about 'elitism'.

screenid

11-12-2011, 10:34 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the 'elitism' come from the limitations ftp players have on them. now your right, they can buy unlocks to equip master spells legendary+ gear. and if they raid, they probably will.the complaints are from the enivitable amount of people who will buy DoV but be a Ftp player without upgrading thier spells/gear with the unlocks. the people who would rather save and not buy the 'nickel and dime' things and only buy the expansion packs.However, they are still going to want to group. still want to do the dungeons. and your right, I don't want to run Cella for the Enervated Epic update on my shaman, with a tank that can only use mastercrafted gear and adept spells. Not going to happen. I'd drop a group like that in a heartbeat.will this be the norm of the ftp player influx? probably not. I imagine most will buy the unlocks for master spells and legenardy/fabled gear. but will there be enough players like that, that it'll get noticed and become a stigma against all ftp players? I'd bet my last dollar on it.My only complaint about Ftp was the 'pay to win' items on the freeport marketplace. the obliteration wand, the power and health potions, mastercrafted gear (especially since my main toon is an armorer) but SJ said when this merge happens those are going away.now the only thing about ftp that would worry me is the situation I posted above. someone with ftp account, who doesn't pay for the spell/gear unlocks...wanting to do harder instances, and complaining when they can't get groups about 'elitism'.</blockquote><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /> Who cares if they cry... If they want to play with the big boys..They need to SUB- or Buy equipment Unlockers.On EQ2X I have yet to hear peeps cry about us (SUBERS being Elitist) ...there are also pleanty of Bronze and Siilver only Guilds. =-)~ however you are going to find most of the serious Silver players will work just as hard to equip up to play wiht the Big Boys.

retro_guy

11-12-2011, 10:52 PM

Personally I can't wait to see new players joining the game.I might make lots of things to give away to new players in the noob zones.We can trade and talk to them right?That's the real issue I see, the restricted ability to talk to bronze and silver players.Stupid plat spammers ruined that for us, now that the spam filters are more robust, perhaps that could allow /tell for silver memberships?

screenid

11-12-2011, 11:57 PM

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Crismorn

11-13-2011, 12:04 AM

<cite>Deveryn@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Labruja wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have read some of the posts here with great sadness. I see an elitism developing which has nothing to do with ability or gear, but has to do with how you choose to pay for your game. There really is no difference, and we cannot allow there to be, or we will ALL be responsible for the death of this great game we all claim to love so much. I grew up in a political world where differences created a terrible thing and I cry to see it happening here, in a place where you come for fun, for enjoyment. Please stop doing this, let go of who pays for what and who gets how much more than anyone else for whatever it is they pay... let it go... Become one community, play with people you like, with people you might come to like and help those in need of it, without carrying anyone. Just as you do now. Ignore the minor annoyances and make the best of a situation which is, after all, not game-breaking for anyone. Just stop the hating on each other for silly things. Life is too short for this.</blockquote>I don't get this, you guys keep saying that there is no difference yet SoE made the change and people are mad and telling them exactly why they are mad, yet somehow according to you, nothing changed.One thing that did not change is your reading comprehension.</blockquote>The ones with the reading comprehension problem are those that are making a lot of the complaints.There are differences, but they are all very much positive. There were a lot of drawbacks to not being subscribed and those are going away. You have research that won't be stopped. Access to housing and use of the broker system won't be suspended. You can catch your favorite events throughout the year. You can stay in touch with friends.The elitism over paying vs. not is pretty silly. I think if anyone is really serious about raiding in the game, they'll cough up the cash and put forth whatever effort is necessary.</blockquote>There are alot of positives for people who have been playing on eq2x, vets who have been in eq2 for upwards of 6 years? Not so much.Yeah vet raiders are the ones who have to be subd at every corner, SoE could have easily taken any other ftp mode that favors the high end and nickel and dimes the lower end, but that would make too much sense.All in all it doesnt really matter, overall we lose players and instead of more focus on the low level game it will receive the majority of the focus.The ball was dropped and SoE needed someone to pick it up. The vets were the ones who are forced to bend over and pick it up.

Crismorn

11-13-2011, 12:08 AM

<cite>retro_guy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally I can't wait to see new players joining the game.I might make lots of things to give away to new players in the noob zones.We can trade and talk to them right?That's the real issue I see, the restricted ability to talk to bronze and silver players.Stupid plat spammers ruined that for us, now that the spam filters are more robust, perhaps that could allow /tell for silver memberships?</blockquote>Personally I cant wait for someone to tell me how after a year of this service already being available we will somehow receive more players. The only possible point of confussion will be when Freeport is merged so the population is put together, but thats not gaining players thats just shuffling players.Overall this change will see less people playing eq2

Crismorn

11-13-2011, 12:13 AM

<cite>Bladenkerst@Unrest_old wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seems like all the folks at high end level are really panicing over the FTP coming soon.I see it kinda this way. Paying/raiding as we were = Driving FerrariFTP= Ford Focus with options to upgrade etcSoo you have been driving the Ferrari paying all along and now you want to quit paying for it, but still wanna drive. Well like in the real world that repo man is gonna come and take that Ferrari...along with the gear you blinged up with etc etc.If you want to use it, you have to pay either unlock fee or monthly as you were all along... FTP will be good for the lower levels where the new players are needed. does not bother me in the least, where else can you get all this fun for only $15 or $20 a month???</blockquote>The way I see it is the raiders are a tow truck hauling a bunch of clunkers who cant afford to pay for parking.

screenid

11-13-2011, 12:34 AM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bladenkerst@Unrest_old wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seems like all the folks at high end level are really panicing over the FTP coming soon.I see it kinda this way. Paying/raiding as we were = Driving FerrariFTP= Ford Focus with options to upgrade etcSoo you have been driving the Ferrari paying all along and now you want to quit paying for it, but still wanna drive. Well like in the real world that repo man is gonna come and take that Ferrari...along with the gear you blinged up with etc etc.If you want to use it, you have to pay either unlock fee or monthly as you were all along... FTP will be good for the lower levels where the new players are needed. does not bother me in the least, where else can you get all this fun for only $15 or $20 a month???</blockquote>The way I see it is the raiders are a tow truck hauliGng a bunch of clunkers who cant afford to pay for parking.</blockquote>wrong. I do not raid much at all and I still sub. Being silver or bronze is like eating gruel while watching gold eat steak or what ever food you deem yummy. FTP is a pain if you really want to be in par with gold. Unlocker tokens for gear at higher lvls adds up fast . I have several friends on eq2x that started silver and swore they wOuld never sub. They are all gold access now. Gold - no restrictions.

Jalen

11-13-2011, 01:43 AM

So much melodrama over server merges that are inevitable so people you'll never see from your guild halls will be ruining the game in zones you don't visit.It's as if there's never been level-cap PUG's where the noob tank couldn't find his taunts.

Deveryn

11-13-2011, 04:19 AM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>retro_guy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally I can't wait to see new players joining the game.I might make lots of things to give away to new players in the noob zones.We can trade and talk to them right?That's the real issue I see, the restricted ability to talk to bronze and silver players.Stupid plat spammers ruined that for us, now that the spam filters are more robust, perhaps that could allow /tell for silver memberships?</blockquote>Personally I cant wait for someone to tell me how after a year of this service already being available we will somehow receive more players. The only possible point of confussion will be when Freeport is merged so the population is put together, but thats not gaining players thats just shuffling players.Overall this change will see less people playing eq2</blockquote>I believe Freeport has been active for about a year now, if not close to it. Clearly, they've been receiving players. I don't see how this translates to less people playing.You seem to feel entitled to something because you've played for a few years? Guess what, you still hold the advantages of being a paying customer that doesn't have to mess around with unlocks and juggle repair kits and other stuff because there's a cap on your plat. On top of that, you could now be earning SC. Come out from your little hovel and see what's really going on here. Read through the producer's letter and FAQs.

Lodrelhai

11-13-2011, 06:07 AM

<cite>Darq wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Onurissa@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rick777 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zephanor@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>You realize that right now as a subscriber if you aren't paying you aren't playing. If you aren't paying then you aren't currently a subscriber, plain and simple. You can't even log into the game. If your subscription lapses as a Gold member you can at least still login and do something, certainly a whole heck of a lot more than how things currently and have always existed on non-EQ2X servers. Seems to me like that's an improvement.The only difference I see is that when you re-up your $15 a month (or whatever depending on your payment schedule) your legendary/fabled gear will be waiting in your bags. Everything else will be just as it was.However, while leveling up toons I found that I did fine using adept spells and treasured armor. Do things go faster, better with higher tier items? Of course! But the game is still completely playable and for non-hardcore players that's quite fine. Granted, once you high the higher expansions that changes a bit but it's still not totally out of the question. You're not going to be raiding HM Vallon Zek as a freebie or silvie... and you shouldn't.There needs to be an incentive to pay otherwise folks would find a way not to which would impact funding and tank any future development thus... kill the game. I know some folks that had to leave due to finances who will be more than happy to be able to get back in free or pay $5 once for silver and keep touch with friends. When things improve in the wallet they would pay for gold and pull their good gear back out of the bank.</blockquote>This is exactly what I would have posted from my own viewpoint as a player on Freeport. Full agreement, Zephanor. Thanks.</blockquote>How true is this if you have one of the non free races? I'm curious as I will almost definitely let my sub lapse and log on occasionally with the free to play option, but I'm assuming I won't be able to play some of my characters due to the racial restrictions.</blockquote>You will only be able to play the races/classes available via free play if you let your acct lapse, however you can buy packages(race/class et) to open them up so you can play them again, whoever you may not be able to use all your gear/spells unless you do the same for those too.</blockquote>Otherwise either pay the Gold or get nickled and dimed.. nice choice huh?</blockquote>The race/class unlocks are ONE TIME fees for the account. It's not per character, it's not recurring, it's one time only. Equipping items above your membership level is a one time very small fee per item, but if you don't change gear often (it really does slow down in the 'end game'<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />, you might only have to pay the equivalent of 30 cents for a months worth of game play.</blockquote>like this ONE TIME we bought the base game and expansions? scnr@flay_wind no they nerfed the overland mobs in RoK</blockquote>Check any of those boxes you bought the game in, and the Terms and Conditions of any digital download you bought.They all say some version of "subscription fees apply."That's still what's going on. You pay the sub, you get all the stuff in those boxes. Except before, if you stopped paying the sub, you got *nothing.* Now, if you stop paying the sub, you can still have some of it, and pay to unlock the rest.

Crismorn

11-13-2011, 06:27 AM

<cite>Deveryn@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>retro_guy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally I can't wait to see new players joining the game.I might make lots of things to give away to new players in the noob zones.We can trade and talk to them right?That's the real issue I see, the restricted ability to talk to bronze and silver players.Stupid plat spammers ruined that for us, now that the spam filters are more robust, perhaps that could allow /tell for silver memberships?</blockquote>Personally I cant wait for someone to tell me how after a year of this service already being available we will somehow receive more players. The only possible point of confussion will be when Freeport is merged so the population is put together, but thats not gaining players thats just shuffling players.Overall this change will see less people playing eq2</blockquote>I believe Freeport has been active for about a year now, if not close to it. Clearly, they've been receiving players. I don't see how this translates to less people playing.You seem to feel entitled to something because you've played for a few years? Guess what, you still hold the advantages of being a paying customer that doesn't have to mess around with unlocks and juggle repair kits and other stuff because there's a cap on your plat. On top of that, you could now be earning SC. Come out from your little hovel and see what's really going on here. Read through the producer's letter and FAQs.</blockquote>Latest changes just confirms that vets will be paying out of pocket for eq2x players.Its ok to get 17ish character slots without paying for them if you are from eq2x, but its not ok for vets to keep races we bought up to 3 years ago.SoE took a vote and vets lost, have fun new people.

Labruja

11-13-2011, 07:47 AM

There is no difference between a silver level player who has chosen, rather unwisely, not to unlock his ability to wear legendary gear or have access to mastered spells and a gold level player who does the same thing. Please do NOT tell me that subscribers all deck their characters out in the best on their way up the levelling ladder. They don't. They save that plat for the level 90 gems in order to make their Rygorr gear that much earlier. Although I am one of those who bought the gems and didn't earn the right to wear that gear by grinding shards, I feel that SoE made a sad mistake in this. They killed the PQ's and the questing zones in DoV for anyone but those who believe in doing all the content. My empathy goes out to the developers and artists whose work was ultimately wasted. As for crying about having to unlock races should you allow your account to lapse... What on earth are you on about?? In the past, you had NO access if your subscription lapsed and you are now whining about limited access? Really now!! If you have to allow your account to lapse and your slots are full there is nothing whatsoever stopping you from creating a new account and new characters and playing the game for free. Pardon? You can't raid with your friends? Well, you couldn't do that before either, but now you can at least play and have some contact with them. Even if the game says F2P, there is nothing on the face of this planet that is free, except perhaps the air that you breathe ~ and don't count on that for too awfully long either. You will get precisely what you pay for, so the fact that you cannot access your characters is your responsibility, even if the economic climate is the reason. You cannot sensibly blame SoE for that.

Labruja

11-13-2011, 07:50 AM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deveryn@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>retro_guy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally I can't wait to see new players joining the game.I might make lots of things to give away to new players in the noob zones.We can trade and talk to them right?That's the real issue I see, the restricted ability to talk to bronze and silver players.Stupid plat spammers ruined that for us, now that the spam filters are more robust, perhaps that could allow /tell for silver memberships?</blockquote>Personally I cant wait for someone to tell me how after a year of this service already being available we will somehow receive more players. The only possible point of confussion will be when Freeport is merged so the population is put together, but thats not gaining players thats just shuffling players.Overall this change will see less people playing eq2</blockquote>I believe Freeport has been active for about a year now, if not close to it. Clearly, they've been receiving players. I don't see how this translates to less people playing.You seem to feel entitled to something because you've played for a few years? Guess what, you still hold the advantages of being a paying customer that doesn't have to mess around with unlocks and juggle repair kits and other stuff because there's a cap on your plat. On top of that, you could now be earning SC. Come out from your little hovel and see what's really going on here. Read through the producer's letter and FAQs.</blockquote>Latest changes just confirms that vets will be paying out of pocket for eq2x players.Its ok to get 17ish character slots without paying for them if you are from eq2x, but its not ok for vets to keep races we bought up to 3 years ago.SoE took a vote and vets lost, have fun new people.</blockquote>If the F2P players do not pay to unlock these races or, if they are gold and allow their subs to lapse, they will be in the same boat as you. They will only have access to a certain number of slots and races. There will be no difference between the two. No us and them...

Labruja

11-13-2011, 07:53 AM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Yayz5o-l0&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Ya...feature=related</a>Edited to add: I have never had a character on Freeport. I have never played any game F2P. I have no reason other than fairness to defend those who might not agree with me or who might not be able to afford the same priveleges. Look to yourselves every time you defend your 'right' to more... and develop a little empathy for those who purely have to accept what they can get.

Indabuff

11-13-2011, 12:08 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deveryn@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote> </blockquote>Latest changes just confirms that vets will be paying out of pocket for eq2x players.Its ok to get 17ish character slots without paying for them if you are from eq2x, but its not ok for vets to keep races we bought up to 3 years ago.SoE took a vote and vets lost, have fun new people.</blockquote>To be clear the only ones getting those slots are players that have been paying for EQ and EQx, and will now have to combinethose two accounts.

screenid

11-13-2011, 12:12 PM

Yes I believe you had to be Subbing on both services or have "all access" ...playing toons on both services. If you were not active on Live - you do not get the Live Slots ,you would only get the Extended Slots and any slots you paid to open up.

Gaealiege

11-13-2011, 01:25 PM

Kind of like the races that we paid to open up. Those races were selling points of those boxes. F2P people should have to pay for separate unlocks for each AA cap increase, each land mass, each new feature, and each change of stats with this line of reasoning. You're being selectively obtuse.

DreaddJester

11-13-2011, 01:41 PM

<cite>Gaealiege@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kind of like the races that we paid to open up. Those races were selling points of those boxes. F2P people should have to pay for separate unlocks for each AA cap increase, each land mass, each new feature, and each change of stats with this line of reasoning. You're being selectively idiotic.</blockquote> Seriously man?? Lets ignore the F2P merger for just a bit and pretend it's not happening. I'm a totally new player to EQ2 and I drive down to my local electronics store and buy the boxed version of Destiny of Velious. Guess what I get? First off up front I get a whole month of subscription for free!! That's right I paid no money for one whole month. You know what else I get?? I get every single expansion prior to Destiny of Velious, wait for it, absolutely FREE!!!! Now I'll still have to buy the freeblood race if I want to play them and I didn't get all the perks you've gotten playing over the years but I just got all the previous expansions and a month of play for free!! This is all without any F2P stuff even in there.

Labruja

11-13-2011, 02:04 PM

One request; the link that states that you lose access to the races you were given access to by buying/pre-ordering those expansions. Oh, and please make sure it's as you're making it sound, loss of access whether you subscribe or not... I have not been able to find this anywhere, so I'd appreciate the link.

Rijacki

11-13-2011, 02:07 PM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Latest changes just confirms that vets will be paying out of pocket for eq2x players.Its ok to get 17ish character slots without paying for them if you are from eq2x, but its not ok for vets to keep races we bought up to 3 years ago.SoE took a vote and vets lost, have fun new people.</blockquote>The only ones who will be getting 'double' character slots are those who have been PAYING to play on BOTH EQ2 Live and EQ2X. Assuming you've only been paying subscription, you've been paying $15/mo (without discounts for multi-month). A player who has only been paying for Gold on EQ2x is paying the same $15/mo. But, someone who has been a subscriber on EQ2 and a Gold on EQ2x has been paying $30/mo. So... how is that EQ2 Live paying for them? Giving them those who have active subscription/gold the character slots for the accounts they have been paying for, for up to a year, is only equitable.If you want to let your account lapse, going from subscription/Gold to Silver, you only have to pay ONE TIME to unlock your account for your race or class. Yes, some exisiting characters will have a double cost (race and class), some will have single (race or class), and some will have none. But it's not a recurring subscription. It's not being completely locked out of your character for not paying anything.The real irony of a statement like Crismorn's is that those who are demanding they're entitled to thus and so are demanding this entitlement for when they stop paying. They want others to pay for their way and have full access as if they were paying. The Gold membership was changed (or will be when this goes live) to -match- a subscription as it is now. So, if you pay for a subscription/Gold, nothing changes for you. It's only when you STOP paying, that you are subject to limitations and restrictions. If you don't want the Silver restrictions, there is a real easy way around it, pay for Gold/subscription as you would have had to for the last 7 years to get the same unrestricted play.Personally, I think SOE could be magnanimous to those who have a current active subscription on 11/10/11 (and not because they're entitled or deserve it) and 'grandfather' EXISTING characters on those accounts making them not subject to the race/class restrictions of Silver if they stop paying for Gold/subscription.

Crismorn

11-13-2011, 08:02 PM

I want vets to be treat at least as fairly as eqx players, we are now second class citizens on our own servers, no thanks.

Shailas

11-13-2011, 08:57 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally, I think SOE could be magnanimous to those who have a current active subscription on 11/10/11 (and not because they're entitled or deserve it) and 'grandfather' EXISTING characters on those accounts making them not subject to the race/class restrictions of Silver if they stop paying for Gold/subscription.</blockquote>I would go a step further than this. I would grandfather all of us eq2 live players into what we have now for race/class for existing and newly created characters. If you drop down from the new gold service as a former live player you should not loose the ability to make races/class combonations you had before the coming of FTP.

Zorastiz

11-13-2011, 09:41 PM

DreaddJester

11-13-2011, 11:02 PM

<cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally, I think SOE could be magnanimous to those who have a current active subscription on 11/10/11 (and not because they're entitled or deserve it) and 'grandfather' EXISTING characters on those accounts making them not subject to the race/class restrictions of Silver if they stop paying for Gold/subscription.</blockquote>I would go a step further than this. I would grandfather all of us eq2 live players into what we have now for race/class for existing and newly created characters. If you drop down from the new gold service as a former live player you should not loose the ability to make races/class combonations you had before the coming of FTP.</blockquote>So what your basicly saying is that you want everything you have now as an EQ2Live player and you want it all free of charge? Am I right because that's how I read it. So you come to a point where you can't play as much and you drop down to a free account. You haven't lost anything really and you can still play in a limited fashion when you want. Later, when you can play more you can bump back up to a gold account and all of your stuff is still there ready to go. I fail to see the problem with this.In the current, pre-EQ2X merge, version if I decide I can't play as much now and stop paying my EQ2Live account I'm more or less done playing. I can't get on the servers, I can't play at all nor do I have any access to any of my old characters. I could go over and play EQ2X but I'd have to start over from ground zero again. When I start my Live account back up all the things I had will still be there and I'll be ready to go again.That's the difference between what's now, and what's to come with the merger. Right now if I stop paying I've got nothing. At least with the merger I'll have some access if I stop paying. In both situations I'll have it all back when I start paying again.You'll already be getting more than what you have now.

Shailas

11-13-2011, 11:07 PM

You misunderstood my thoughts. I was speaking strictly of the races/classes that I've always had access to as a reslut of being an EQ2 Live subscriber all this time. For example, I unlocked Froglocks years ago via that old quest line. Regardless of what plan I'm on I should be able to still have access to any Froglock characters I have created before the game slips into FTP or decide to create after the conversion. However, now that I've thought about it I think that we should be grandfathered in completely. Meaning all expansions and content, too. The game as a whole going FTP is not something we can opt out of as before when that payment model was segregated on one server. I'd think it's fair for us to not loose content in the conversion.

DreaddJester

11-13-2011, 11:15 PM

<cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote>You misunderstood my thoughts. I am speaking strictly of the races/classes that I've always had access to as a reslut of being an EQ2 Live subscriber all this time. For example, I unlocked Froglocks years ago via that old quest line. Regardless of what plan I'm on I should be able to still have access to any Froglock characters I have created before the game slips into FTP or decide to create after the conversion.</blockquote>Nope, didn't misunderstand any of your thoughts. You want something for nothing. If, under the current non-merged plan, you decide to quite paying your monthly fees will you have access to those Froglocks you "unlocked" so long ago? Will you have access to any of the game or its servers?? Will you have access to ANYTHING on your account or be able to play it??? Answer to all those questions is NO. Until you started paying your monthly fees again you would not have access to ANYTHING in EQ2 Live. If you chose to play on EQ2X you'd be playing on completely different servers and have all the same restrictions you will in the future.Once again, at least when the merger comes you will have access to your account, the servers you play on, and have some limiited character accesss where before you had none.In both cases you'll get all your things back as soon as you start paying again.

Shailas

11-13-2011, 11:20 PM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote>You misunderstood my thoughts. I am speaking strictly of the races/classes that I've always had access to as a reslut of being an EQ2 Live subscriber all this time. For example, I unlocked Froglocks years ago via that old quest line. Regardless of what plan I'm on I should be able to still have access to any Froglock characters I have created before the game slips into FTP or decide to create after the conversion.</blockquote>Nope, didn't misunderstand any of your thoughts. You want something for nothing. If, under the current non-merged plan, you decide to quite paying your monthly fees will you have access to those Froglocks you "unlocked" so long ago? Will you have access to any of the game or its servers?? Will you have access to ANYTHING on your account or be able to play it??? Answer to all those questions is NO. Until you started paying your monthly fees again you would not have access to ANYTHING in EQ2 Live. If you chose to play on EQ2X you'd be playing on completely different servers and have all the same restrictions you will in the future.Once again, at least when the merger comes you will have access to your account, the servers you play on, and have some limiited character accesss where before you had none.</blockquote>We will have to agree to disagree then. I already paid for those things, I don't see why they should be taken away from me, nor do I agree that I should have to pay twice for them. Crimsorn said it in another thread and I think he's right. Every consideration is beign given to the extended server and none to the live servers.

Frenzywolf

11-13-2011, 11:22 PM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally, I think SOE could be magnanimous to those who have a current active subscription on 11/10/11 (and not because they're entitled or deserve it) and 'grandfather' EXISTING characters on those accounts making them not subject to the race/class restrictions of Silver if they stop paying for Gold/subscription.</blockquote>I would go a step further than this. I would grandfather all of us eq2 live players into what we have now for race/class for existing and newly created characters. If you drop down from the new gold service as a former live player you should not loose the ability to make races/class combonations you had before the coming of FTP.</blockquote>So what your basicly saying is that you want everything you have now as an EQ2Live player and you want it all free of charge? Am I right because that's how I read it. So you come to a point where you can't play as much and you drop down to a free account. You haven't lost anything really and you can still play in a limited fashion when you want. Later, when you can play more you can bump back up to a gold account and all of your stuff is still there ready to go. I fail to see the problem with this.In the current, pre-EQ2X merge, version if I decide I can't play as much now and stop paying my EQ2Live account I'm more or less done playing. I can't get on the servers, I can't play at all nor do I have any access to any of my old characters. I could go over and play EQ2X but I'd have to start over from ground zero again. When I start my Live account back up all the things I had will still be there and I'll be ready to go again.That's the difference between what's now, and what's to come with the merger. Right now if I stop paying I've got nothing. At least with the merger I'll have some access if I stop paying. In both situations I'll have it all back when I start paying again.You'll already be getting more than what you have now. </blockquote>Actually the way it stands now, if in circumstances I cannot pay for my sub I cannot play at all. All my characters on AB are either not F2P races or classes or both. So I am NOT getting more than what I have now. I did not know until now that ALL the servers will be going F2P.. this has been dumped on those of us on the live servers. Can I deal with some of the limitations such as coinage, gear, broker etc? Sure for a short while until such time I can again go back to being a subscriber. Now do not get my wrong here, I do NOT want to stay F2P at all, no way! BUT we already had the classes and the races INCLUDED when we bought those expansions but now we are being told if we happen to unfortanetly end up on F2P we cannot PLAY with what we already purchased with those previous expansions.. HOWEVER, if a F2P buys the new expansion coming they can play the beastlord and it is called included in that purchase.. see where we are going with this? The vets and live server players are being told what we payed for previously does not count! We feel we are getting ripped off and being told.. gee sorry but hey... you will just have to now BUY character/race packs to continue to play what we HAVE been playing. Either pay your sub or pony up MORE money beyond what you have already payed to play what you played before.. but hey you can play free if you want!Wait... I have no characters that fit in the F2P category!Gee sorry about that but hey you can buy them again!But wait! If I can't pay my sub at the moment what makes you think I can buy my characters back?Oh gee.. well guess you can't come back and enjoy.. guess you will have to wait until you can afford to pay your sub again!Dear SoE, I guess your vets are not important to you anymore! We were your lifeblood of this game and now you would rather have the teens and tweens that will pay nothing but come on and abuse us. Thanks alot for nothing!

DreaddJester

11-13-2011, 11:31 PM

<cite>Shailas wrote</cite><blockquote>We will have to agree to disagree then. I already paid for those things, I don't see why they should be taken away from me, nor do I agree that I should have to pay twice for them. Crimsorn said it in another thread and I think he's right. Every consideration is beign given to the extended server and none to the live servers.</blockquote>I fail to understand where you're going to have to "pay twice" for them. As I said, when you go back to monthly fees as a gold member from being a free member you're going to have all your old stuff back. You havern't "lost" anything. It's all there waiting for you to go back to a gold member.Only difference between current plan -vs- merged plan is that when I stop paying under the current plan I have no access to any of my characters or my servers. Under the merged plan I will still have access to some of my characters even if I stop paying.You want complete access to the whole game and all the content even if you stop paying even though currently if you stop paying you'll get NO access to any of the game.Tell you what. I bet SOE can make you happy if they keep you and only you and the other malcontents under the current plan. That way your game won't change for you. How about we get them to make it optional for folks like you? That way when you stop paying you'll have NO access to any of your account, just like it is right now. Does that work for you?

Shailas

11-13-2011, 11:37 PM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shailas wrote</cite><blockquote>We will have to agree to disagree then. I already paid for those things, I don't see why they should be taken away from me, nor do I agree that I should have to pay twice for them. Crimsorn said it in another thread and I think he's right. Every consideration is beign given to the extended server and none to the live servers.</blockquote>I fail to understand where you're going to have to "pay twice" for them. As I said, when you go back to monthly fees as a gold member from being a free member you're going to have all your old stuff back. You havern't "lost" anything. It's all there waiting for you to go back to a gold member.Only difference between current plan -vs- merged plan is that when I stop paying under the current plan I have no access to any of my characters or my servers. Under the merged plan I will still have access to some of my characters even if I stop paying.You want complete access to the whole game and all the content even if you stop paying even though currently if you stop paying you'll get NO access to any of the game.Tell you what. I bet SOE can make you happy if they keep you and only you and the other malcontents under the current plan. That way your game won't change for you. How about we get them to make it optional for folks like you? That way when you stop paying you'll have NO access to any of your account, just like it is right now. Does that work for you?</blockquote>Yes, that would be fine. I don't see that option being put forth, but it would certainly work. I would rather have nothing to do with any sort of FTP model. It is why the EQ2X service was of no interest to me.

Frenzywolf

11-13-2011, 11:39 PM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shailas wrote</cite><blockquote>We will have to agree to disagree then. I already paid for those things, I don't see why they should be taken away from me, nor do I agree that I should have to pay twice for them. Crimsorn said it in another thread and I think he's right. Every consideration is beign given to the extended server and none to the live servers.</blockquote>I fail to understand where you're going to have to "pay twice" for them. As I said, when you go back to monthly fees as a gold member from being a free member you're going to have all your old stuff back. You havern't "lost" anything. It's all there waiting for you to go back to a gold member.Only difference between current plan -vs- merged plan is that when I stop paying under the current plan I have no access to any of my characters or my servers. Under the merged plan I will still have access to some of my characters even if I stop paying.You want complete access to the whole game and all the content even if you stop paying even though currently if you stop paying you'll get NO access to any of the game.Tell you what. I bet SOE can make you happy if they keep you and only you and the other malcontents under the current plan. That way your game won't change for you. How about we get them to make it optional for folks like you? That way when you stop paying you'll have NO access to any of your account, just like it is right now. Does that work for you?</blockquote>DreaddJester page up above your post.... that is exactly where I stand right now. All eleven of my characters are either wrong race or wrong class or both so I have NO access to my account if I sadly cannot pay for my subscription. That make you happy now?

DreaddJester

11-13-2011, 11:44 PM

<cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tell you what. I bet SOE can make you happy if they keep you and only you and the other malcontents under the current plan. That way your game won't change for you. How about we get them to make it optional for folks like you? That way when you stop paying you'll have NO access to any of your account, just like it is right now. Does that work for you?</blockquote>Yes, that would be fine. I don't see that option being put forth, but it would certainly work. I would rather have nothing to do with any sort of FTP model. It is why the EQ2X service was of no interest to me.</blockquote>So, let me make sure I've got this right. You'd rather have ZERO access to your account, your server, your guild, and any of your characters when you stopped paying rather than have some limited access to your server, your guild, and some of your characters?Humm, let me put this into a real world perspective. I want to stop paying my rent. Ok, would you rather me force you out of your apartment or just make it where you can only use certain rooms free of charge? Oh, please oh please, force me out of my apartment!!Yes, I see the logic there now!

DreaddJester

11-13-2011, 11:48 PM

<cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>DreaddJester page up above your post.... that is exactly where I stand right now. All eleven of my characters are either wrong race or wrong class or both so I have NO access to my account if I sadly cannot pay for my subscription. That make you happy now?</blockquote>Yes, and this is exactly where you'd end up right now, pre-merge, if you stopped paying your sub. At least with the merge you have the option to create a character that fits before or after you stop paying your sub. That way you'd still have access to your server, your guild, your friends, and whatever else free lets you do. When you started paying your sub again you'll have all your stuff and characters back just as you would pre-merge.

Shailas

11-13-2011, 11:51 PM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tell you what. I bet SOE can make you happy if they keep you and only you and the other malcontents under the current plan. That way your game won't change for you. How about we get them to make it optional for folks like you? That way when you stop paying you'll have NO access to any of your account, just like it is right now. Does that work for you?</blockquote>Yes, that would be fine. I don't see that option being put forth, but it would certainly work. I would rather have nothing to do with any sort of FTP model. It is why the EQ2X service was of no interest to me.</blockquote>So, let me make sure I've got this right. You'd rather have ZERO access to your account, your server, your guild, and any of your characters when you stopped paying rather than have some limited access to your server, your guild, and some of your characters?Humm, let me put this into a real world perspective. I want to stop paying my rent. Ok, would you rather me force you out of your apartment or just make it where you can only use certain rooms free of charge? Oh, please oh please, force me out of my apartment!!Yes, I see the logic there now!</blockquote>First, I submit that the apartment and the game are not a fair comparison. One is a luxury/entertainment item and the other is a necesity. It is not an apples to apples comparison.Second, if I stop paying for the game I won't be playing anymore and that is just as it is now. So, yes, I'm good with that. I think a serious player for which EQ2 is a primary MMO would continue to pay full price be it the subscription ro Gold membership or whatever it winds up being called. Doing anything less and there is no reason to play. If you're a raider, for example, you're certainly not going to be raiding Sentinel's Fate conent at this point. As such, not having access to Destiny of Velious is not trivial.

Frenzywolf

11-13-2011, 11:56 PM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>DreaddJester page up above your post.... that is exactly where I stand right now. All eleven of my characters are either wrong race or wrong class or both so I have NO access to my account if I sadly cannot pay for my subscription. That make you happy now?</blockquote>Yes, and this is exactly where you'd end up right now, pre-merge, if you stopped paying your sub. At least with the merge you have the option to create a character that fits before or after you stop paying your sub. That way you'd still have access to your server, your guild, your friends, and whatever else free lets you do. When you started paying your sub again you'll have all your stuff and characters back just as you would pre-merge.</blockquote>Ummmm DreaddJester... I have no space left on my account to make another character so you tell me how I can magically do that without again BUYING another slot? I don't have the cash to buy more SC to do that at this time... so that blew that comment out of the water huh? But anyway... I can see your another "I am right therefore I AM" type of person and nothing anyone can say will have you see it on both sides of the fence. Good day to you and hope you never end up in the same position that some of us may sit.

DreaddJester

11-14-2011, 12:05 AM

<cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, let me make sure I've got this right. You'd rather have ZERO access to your account, your server, your guild, and any of your characters when you stopped paying rather than have some limited access to your server, your guild, and some of your characters?Humm, let me put this into a real world perspective. I want to stop paying my rent. Ok, would you rather me force you out of your apartment or just make it where you can only use certain rooms free of charge? Oh, please oh please, force me out of my apartment!!Yes, I see the logic there now!</blockquote>First, I submit that the apartment and the game are not a fair comparison. One is a luxury/entertainment item and the other is a necesity. It is not an apples to apples comparison.Second, if I stop paying for the game I won't be playing anymore and that is just as it is now. So, yes, I'm good with that. I think a serious player for which EQ2 is a primary MMO would continue to pay full price be it the subscription ro Gold membership or whatever it winds up being called. Doing anything less and there is no reason to play. If you're a raider, for example, you're certainly not going to be raiding Sentinel's Fate conent at this point. As such, not having access to Destiny of Velious is not trivial.</blockquote>The apartment is a perfect comparison to EQ2. In both circumstances you are paying for the ability to exist within those "spaces." Whether it's luxury or entertainment is a moot point.Second, by your very words, anyone that serious about the game is going to keep paying and those that stop paying will most likely not play anymore because they need a break or RL has caused them to refocus their time. So, if you should stop paying your sub under the merged plan you are welcome to also just stop playing. Don't log on, don't play. It's there but you don't have to use it just because it's there. When you want to start playing again, as you said, start paying your monthly sub again and everything will be back waiting for you. For you it will be as if the merger never happened. THere we go, simple solution.

DreaddJester

11-14-2011, 12:15 AM

<cite>Frenzywolf@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ummmm DreaddJester... I have no space left on my account to make another character so you tell me how I can magically do that without again BUYING another slot? I don't have the cash to buy more SC to do that at this time... so that blew that comment out of the water huh? But anyway... I can see your another "I am right therefore I AM" type of person and nothing anyone can say will have you see it on both sides of the fence. Good day to you and hope you never end up in the same position that some of us may sit.</blockquote>What part of, "you would not have had ANYTHING under the current, non-merged" plan" have you not understood? You didn't loose anything that you wouldn't have lost under the current plan.If i currently didn't have the money for my monthly sub guess what? I get NOTHING, nada, squat, no access to my account, my server, my friends, or my guild what so ever.Secondly, your wrong about not having the SC to buy another slot. Did you forget that as a reoccuring sub payer you're going to be getting 500 SC absolutely free with no increase to your monthly sub rate. Now you'll have to excuse me if I forgot how much in SC a new character slot costs but I'm betting if you went just two to four months as a paid member you'd have all the SC you need for a new character slot. Now, lets say you gotta quit paying like right now right now. Like today right now. Guess what you can do?? You can go to Google, start up a shiny new Gmail account then waltz over to EQ2 and start up a new EQ2 free account, create a character in that shiny new account and still play on the same server you were on, with the same people you were playing with, in the same guild absolutely free of charge. Lets see you do that with the current plan and make it last more than 14 days of free trial.

Shailas

11-14-2011, 12:18 AM

<cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreaddJester wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, let me make sure I've got this right. You'd rather have ZERO access to your account, your server, your guild, and any of your characters when you stopped paying rather than have some limited access to your server, your guild, and some of your characters?Humm, let me put this into a real world perspective. I want to stop paying my rent. Ok, would you rather me force you out of your apartment or just make it where you can only use certain rooms free of charge? Oh, please oh please, force me out of my apartment!!Yes, I see the logic there now!</blockquote>First, I submit that the apartment and the game are not a fair comparison. One is a luxury/entertainment item and the other is a necesity. It is not an apples to apples comparison.Second, if I stop paying for the game I won't be playing anymore and that is just as it is now. So, yes, I'm good with that. I think a serious player for which EQ2 is a primary MMO would continue to pay full price be it the subscription ro Gold membership or whatever it winds up being called. Doing anything less and there is no reason to play. If you're a raider, for example, you're certainly not going to be raiding Sentinel's Fate conent at this point. As such, not having access to Destiny of Velious is not trivial.</blockquote>The apartment is a perfect comparison to EQ2. In both circumstances you are paying for the ability to exist within those "spaces." Whether it's luxury or entertainment is a moot point.Second, by your very words, anyone that serious about the game is going to keep paying and those that stop paying will most likely not play anymore because they need a break or RL has caused them to refocus their time. So, if you should stop paying your sub under the merged plan you are welcome to also just stop playing. Don't log on, don't play. It's there but you don't have to use it just because it's there. When you want to start playing again, as you said, start paying your monthly sub again and everything will be back waiting for you. For you it will be as if the merger never happened. THere we go, simple solution.</blockquote>If I was to continue to play I would certainly only do so via Gold Membership. It's not that I don't see your point, I do. I am of the opinion that folks currently on the live servers that play the game regularly as their primary MMO will pay for a gold membership. If they dropped down for whatever reason they would likely loose acess to most current of expansions, and that is where most folks friends/guildmates etc. are playing. It would get lonely quickly.

DreaddJester

11-14-2011, 12:40 AM

<cite>Shailas wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I was to continue to play I would certainly only do so via Gold Membership. It's not that I don't see your point, I do. I am of the opinion that folks currently on the live servers that play the game regularly as their primary MMO will pay for a gold membership. If they dropped down for whatever reason they would likely loose acess to most current of expansions, and that is where most folks friends/guildmates etc. are playing. It would get lonely quickly.</blockquote>But once again, by your own words, folks that are currently on live servers, the ones that you're in a guild with and have been for a long time since EQ2 is the primary MMO for all of you, will most likely continue to pay their monthly sub for a gold membership. If they dropped under the current plan you'd never see them again till they started paying their sub again. At least this way those that MAY drop their sub can still join in the guild fun with some restrictions. Once again, I think the current plan would leave a guild much more lonely than the merger plan would.

bunnykiller69

11-14-2011, 08:29 AM

Really ? you are going to strip me and make me go naked unless i pay ? I think this should be retro if I have the items on or already bound before the switch i should keep them otherwiseI don't see this bring back many old players. Those players would immediately be turned off by the fact you are taking away all there hard earned gear. I can agree with the unlock 5 items for 150-250 station cash on newly gained items but not the one players currently have. You want people to play your game thats the goal right >?So if you get them to "play"They will get new fabled and better they will galdly pay to unlock however if your like drop 30 dollars intially or go naked most will not play. Ill be honest i would pay a sub to play this game if it wasnt such a ghost town. i can never find groups or active raids on my home server. its the main reason i cancel nobody to do anything with.

ranga

11-14-2011, 08:56 AM