So before I crashed I saw house item slots for $$$ ??? [Archive]

PlaneCrazy

10-12-2010, 02:17 PM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end.Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that.</blockquote>Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free).Seriously, I dislike the concept of RMT as a whole, but this is directly inline with their SC system and really doesn't bother me. (in fact, I bet it's main intent was for the Eq2x market... i bet it's purchased more there then here)<img src="http://www.750ace.com/files/house_expander.jpg" />

Lethe5683

10-12-2010, 02:19 PM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote>On the Marketplace under Services, there's now a 100 item increase for 600 Station Cash, and a 200 item incease for 1200 SC.Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I don't think they ever said that. They said that it wasen't a good idea because of the lag it would create, not impossible.

Landiin

10-12-2010, 02:20 PM

I think its them telling us that they can't do things b/c of database limitation than it is the RMT thing. But /shrug I could be wrong. welcome to free realms 2.0 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Wurm

10-12-2010, 02:25 PM

<cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end.Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that.</blockquote>Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free).Seriously, I dislike the concept of RMT as a whole, but this is directly inline with their SC system and really doesn't bother me. (in fact, I bet it's main intent was for the Eq2x market... i bet it's purchased more there then here)<img src="http://www.750ace.com/files/house_expander.jpg" /></blockquote>Like I said I crashed before I could check my house if it had more slots. They keep giving us new rooms and spaces but no slots. And Rothgar said more than once we couldn't have more slots because it caused server lag, then all of a sudden PRESTO-CHANGO! we have even more slots then the ones they added, but only if we pay them even more money.And I refuse to even discuss the RMT issue.

Te'ana

10-12-2010, 02:31 PM

Actually, every time they have expanded our houses they have givin us 100 extra slots. The problem I have with this is that it will be a downer for the crafter made version that adds 100 slots.

Ceeamee

10-12-2010, 02:41 PM

I can't see anyone spending $6 on a SC expander item when there is one that can be bought for less than a plat in game. I'm just kinda disappointed that they didn't give us the slots in question. Oh well. I will buy an expander and trying to say anything else would be a bold faced lie. But...I won't like it.. Other than that, I love the new outdoor areas. I'm going to have a ball decorating mine today.

Wurm

10-12-2010, 02:42 PM

All and all I like this game update, but seeing the slots first thing when I logged in made the cream go a tad sour.I just wish they would get it through their heads that there are people who don't want to see the SC stuff when they log in. Make it a check box and more of us would be happy.

Iskandar

10-12-2010, 02:43 PM

The presence of these items doesn't upset me -- I plan on buying some actually.It's the communication that annoys me. We're told they can't or won't do something.... but when it's something that can be sold for additional revenue, it suddenly works just fine. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />But, all that aside, I'm curious about stacking..... can more than one of these items be purchased? ie, can I buy five 200-item expanders and get an extra 1000 items? If not, can I buy a 100 and a 200 and get 300 items? And I assume they both stack with the player-made expanders, but I'd like to get some confirmation first.

Te'ana

10-12-2010, 02:48 PM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote>The presence of these items doesn't upset me -- I plan on buying some actually.It's the communication that annoys me. We're told they can't or won't do something.... but when it's something that can be sold for additional revenue, it suddenly works just fine. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />But, all that aside, I'm curious about stacking..... can more than one of these items be purchased? ie, can I buy five 200-item expanders and get an extra 1000 items? If not, can I buy a 100 and a 200 and get 300 items? And I assume they both stack with the player-made expanders, but I'd like to get some confirmation first.</blockquote>Good questions. If they stack that would be really cool.Edit: It does seem limited to houses. The crafted one can be applied to guild halls.Edit: I just checked and I got 100 items added to my existing houses that got the new outdoor rooms.

NightGod473

10-12-2010, 02:50 PM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like I said I crashed before I could check my house if it had more slots. They keep giving us new rooms and spaces but no slots. And Rothgar said more than once we couldn't have more slots because it caused server lag, then all of a sudden PRESTO-CHANGO! we have even more slots then the ones they added, but only if we pay them even more money.And I refuse to even discuss the RMT issue.</blockquote>If they add 200 slots to everyone, it would add undue lag. If it only goes out to a small percentage of the players, it's not nearly as detrimental.How's that confusing?

Gungo

10-12-2010, 02:58 PM

The marketplace version stacks w crafter version.The market place is tied to character so its a permanant feature regardless of moving.The marketplace versions do not stack higher cost one overwrites lower cost version.Every room addition added 100 more slots including todays update. Todays update also seperated the moving box limit from house item limit basically DOUBLING the items you can hold in the house.They never said thier was a database issue and even if there was they upgraded the database server recently.They said it was a performance issue such as time to load into a home and rendering issues.I would suspect people who have the crafter and marketplace version in one of the new expanded limit houses will have some performance issues with the limit still.The marketplace version will have NO effect on the sales of crafter versions since someone will have to be out of thier mind to spend $12 before they spend less then 1 plat in game. Now of course people who already have the crafter version and want to expand the limit have no choice but to use the marketplace version. But hey at least it is a single permanant purchase. The marketplace version also has no effect on guild halls but the crafter one does.

Lethe5683

10-12-2010, 03:03 PM

They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.

Iskandar

10-12-2010, 03:21 PM

<cite>Gungo wrote:</cite><blockquote>The marketplace version stacks w crafter version.The market place is tied to character so its a permanant feature regardless of moving.The marketplace versions do not stack higher cost one overwrites lower cost version.Every room addition added 100 more slots including todays update. Todays update also seperated the moving box limit from house item limit basically DOUBLING the items you can hold in the house.They never said thier was a database issue and even if there was they upgraded the database server recently.They said it was a performance issue such as time to load into a home and rendering issues.I would suspect people who have the crafter and marketplace version in one of the new expanded limit houses will have some performance issues with the limit still.The marketplace version will have NO effect on the sales of crafter versions since someone will have to be out of thier mind to spend $12 before they spend less then 1 plat in game. Now of course people who already have the crafter version and want to expand the limit have no choice but to use the marketplace version. But hey at least it is a single permanant purchase. The marketplace version also has no effect on guild halls but the crafter one does.</blockquote>Thanks for the info Gungo! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /> Just found a lot of that referenced down in the Homeshow forums and was gonna post it in here too <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />In regards to the reasons this was never added before, I'm sure I could have dug up Rothgar's original post if it were that important to me. But it's not really worth the effort <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /> They said they couldn't, now they can -- but we have to pay extra for it... /shrug... I'm not gonna stress over their decisions, any more than they will stress over mine.

Wurm

10-12-2010, 03:27 PM

Gungo, thanks for the info. I always read house on the crafted ones and because of it never tried to use one in the guild hall. Our decorators will be pleased to hear that.

Vortexelemental

10-12-2010, 03:34 PM

Hunting rats in antonica 10$Upgrading my house in game 15$Making new alts 50$Having fun - Not available.

Jesdyr

10-12-2010, 03:34 PM

Database issues can more often than not be solved by Money (and/or time, but you have to pay people for that as well). <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Sar

10-12-2010, 03:52 PM

I thought they recently updated the database? Anyhow... this is hows it going to be from here on out... I hate the concept myself however thats just how everything seems to be now, give it some time WoW will jump on too and they can even triple that annual income... as if they need it heh.. anyhow... these are all cosmetic or luxury items they don't prevent you from playing so really if you aren't having fun its kinda your fault.

Vortexelemental

10-12-2010, 04:06 PM

<cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I thought they recently updated the database? Anyhow... this is hows it going to be from here on out... I hate the concept myself however thats just how everything seems to be now, give it some time WoW will jump on too and they can even triple that annual income... as if they need it heh.. anyhow... these are all cosmetic or luxury items they don't prevent you from playing so really if you aren't having fun its kinda your fault.</blockquote>Incorrect.See <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=488228" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=488228</a>

Sar

10-12-2010, 04:19 PM

Well considering this is the live forums I was talking about that in particular... The F2P model is much different and I haven't decided what I think about it... but it is suppose to be a separate game in that aspect.Perhaps I am just too use to all this drivel... been playing FarmVille on Facebook for over a year now... if anyone has a hardon for making money off of "extra content" its them... but like I said if you aren't having fun move on because this is just the way games are now... I really doubt someone can change that... its why I am certain the F2P is on its own exclusive server because really they should've been able to just change live over to F2P but I am sure that would've created much more heat.

Vortexelemental

10-12-2010, 04:21 PM

<cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well considering this is the live forums I was talking about that in particular... The F2P model is much different and I haven't decided what I think about it... but it is suppose to be a separate game in that aspect.</blockquote>Made with the same development team.

psisto

10-12-2010, 04:22 PM

<cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I mean its not really that shocking... with the marketplace in place, you have to just expect to be tempted in all ways... thats how they will make money... they are going to offer things we only dreamed of before... but for a price tag. I don't want to sound like bad in anyway but the sooner you get use to it the better... just give yourself a budget and you'll be fine. =)</blockquote>Thats one of the problems though, for me. On one hand, some of the stuff is really nice. On the other, I really hold back on buying anything cosmetic or gameplay related, simply because of two reasons:a) the prices are way too high for a little appearance armor or a mount. I bought the dark elf armor because it was really awesome, but thats the only thing i considered so far. lower price might make me buy more often for sureb) I dont know why, but SOE should please finally adopt paypal as payment method to buy station cash and subscription time. its fast and easy. whenever I want to buy SC, I have to actually do a money transfer to global collect, which takes a few days, or directly charge my bank account. paypal would be vastly preferred really.

Sar

10-12-2010, 04:30 PM

We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go. I really am trying to be more helpful than saying "just deal with it, etc etc" because I've dealt with this system before and actually got burned a time or two... not with EQ in particular but with the same F2P model... they will try to come out with things people want, and those that have played for years will have that "entitlement" factor and think they just deserve it outright, well... it's prolly not going to happen... like I said if you set a monthly budget for yourself you'll be able to get things and not feel ripped off because you are saying hey, this is my "fun money" so I will spend it as I see fit. If that month you don't want anything than save your money for next month and pool it together... or just buy the SC and save it... I gave up smoking a year ago and wow thats like 120 a month I'm saving so if I spend 20 a month on eq aside the normal sub then its not a big deal... and at least its not harming my health in the same fashion. /shrugFinal note, the F2P model is hard to adjust too, trust me I know... and those of us OLD timers we will even have a harder time.. because things just never use to be like this... and while it might seem like people are trying to nickel and dime us all the time its really us who have the vote... vote with your wallet and don't let ideas like this win in your life. Sadly, there at just too many folks willing to pay for these services so...they will exist... but you can at least feel proud for not going into debt over a virtual life.

Vortexelemental

10-12-2010, 04:33 PM

<cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go. I really am trying to be more helpful than saying "just deal with it, etc etc" because I've dealt with this system before and actually got burned a time or two... not with EQ in particular but with the same F2P model... they will try to come out with things people want, and those that have played for years will have that "entitlement" factor and think they just deserve it outright, well... it's prolly not going to happen... like I said if you set a monthly budget for yourself you'll be able to get things and not feel ripped off because you are saying hey, this is my "fun money" so I will spend it as I see fit. If that month you don't want anything than save your money for next month and pool it together... or just buy the SC and save it... I gave up smoking a year ago and wow thats like 120 a month I'm saving so if I spend 20 a month on eq aside the normal sub then its not a big deal... and at least its not harming my health in the same fashion. /shrugFinal note, the F2P model is hard to adjust too, trust me I know... and those of us OLD timers we will even have a harder time.. because things just never use to be like this... and while it might seem like people are trying to nickel and dime us all the time its really us who have the vote... vote with your wallet and don't let ideas like this win in your life. Sadly, there at just too many folks willing to pay for these services so...they will exist... but you can at least feel proud for not going into debt over a virtual life.</blockquote>I already voted with my wallet. I don't pay sony anymore.The issue is we are not on a F2P model, we are on a P2P2P model.Pay, to Pay to Play.That's the sony model.Besides the entire free to play model being complete and utter trash.

Lorriana

10-12-2010, 04:38 PM

<cite>Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Database issues can more often than not be solved by Money (and/or time, but you have to pay people for that as well). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>This. I don't have an issue with this particular SC item. Increased item limits was a problem for whatever reason at the then current income level. If people pay more, the changes can be afforded. Simple enough.

Valdaglerion

10-13-2010, 06:38 PM

Let them sell them. If someone is willing to pay additionally for the item then so be it. I do find it somewhat offensive that a lot of the things people have asked for over the years are now being introduced as additional pay items.However, I want to know when I can buy multi-classing for my crafting toons so I can stop swapping between them, one toon to do it all....woohoo... (Coming to SC 2011 - Token of Multi-Tasking!)

Hilt

10-13-2010, 06:44 PM

Peogia

10-13-2010, 06:58 PM

<cite>Daenu@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't see anyone spending $6 on a SC expander item when there is one that can be bought for less than a plat in game. I'm just kinda disappointed that they didn't give us the slots in question. Oh well. I will buy an expander and trying to say anything else would be a bold faced lie. But...I won't like it.. Other than that, I love the new outdoor areas. I'm going to have a ball decorating mine today.</blockquote>the sc version and the crafted versions stack with each other i would of bought the sc version if they didn't kick us out of the game / off of server for siting in our house's so that being said i really see no point in paying real life $$$ for something that doesn't exist or function like it should kinda useless to buy it use it and get kicked for trying to enjoy ittake 1 break in house/guild hall and tell me where u end up character select/could not connect to login server/wrong username password/ect

Kordran

10-13-2010, 07:15 PM

<cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go.</blockquote>I kind of look at this from the perspective that, for some players, it's more of a hobby than just a game they play occasionally on their computer. And people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on their hobbies (i.e.: golfers dropping $300 on a new titanium club, model train nuts spending thousands to build their "dream" setup, etc.) In that context, spending an extra $10 or $15 for something that makes the game more fun for them is not really that "out there". There is a fine line that SOE needs to be careful not to cross (selling raid gear for cash, for example, would be far over that line) but stuff like tracking potions and house item expanders, I just can't see how that's really such a big deal.

Andok

10-13-2010, 07:32 PM

<cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go.</blockquote>I kind of look at this from the perspective that, for some players, it's more of a hobby than just a game they play occasionally on their computer. And people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on their hobbies (i.e.: golfers dropping $300 on a new titanium club, model train nuts spending thousands to build their "dream" setup, etc.) In that context, spending an extra $10 or $15 for something that makes the game more fun for them is not really that "out there". There is a fine line that SOE needs to be careful not to cross (selling raid gear for cash, for example, would be far over that line) but stuff like tracking potions and house item expanders, I just can't see how that's really such a big deal.</blockquote>I don't even care if they sell raid gear for cash. I wouldn't buy it because then I wouldn't have a reason to play anymore, but if my neighbors want to buy it, I couldn't care less. They can sell copies of my character for 50SC on a double SC weekend and I wouldn't care.

Vortexelemental

10-13-2010, 08:11 PM

<cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go.</blockquote>I kind of look at this from the perspective that, for some players, it's more of a hobby than just a game they play occasionally on their computer. And people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on their hobbies (i.e.: golfers dropping $300 on a new titanium club, model train nuts spending thousands to build their "dream" setup, etc.) In that context, spending an extra $10 or $15 for something that makes the game more fun for them is not really that "out there". There is a fine line that SOE needs to be careful not to cross (selling raid gear for cash, for example, would be far over that line) but stuff like tracking potions and house item expanders, I just can't see how that's really such a big deal.</blockquote>I don't even care if they sell raid gear for cash. I wouldn't buy it because then I wouldn't have a reason to play anymore, but if my neighbors want to buy it, I couldn't care less. They can sell copies of my character for 50SC on a double SC weekend and I wouldn't care. </blockquote>It amuses me that you wouldn't care when allowing SC to run amuck is hurting the game each time something sells.Not monetarily, but content wise.If SC makes more money of course it will become the focus.

NightGod473

10-13-2010, 10:35 PM

<cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.</blockquote>The crafted pocket expander *is* the alternate path. We're just lucky that they allowed them to stack.

Zaldor

10-13-2010, 11:06 PM

<cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.</blockquote>The crafted pocket expander *is* the alternate path. We're just lucky that they allowed them to stack.</blockquote>Is there a 200 slot slot crafted pocket expander in game?

Fishpoke

10-13-2010, 11:19 PM

Dont bash the marketplace, it keeps EQ / EQ2 in business. For those of us that aren't kids and have a job / money, those xp potions come in handy I must say. All these expansion, content updates, updates in general are because of stationcash. Without it, the game probably would be another planetside/SWG of sorts.

Vortexelemental

10-13-2010, 11:39 PM

<cite>Fishpoke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dont bash the marketplace, it keeps EQ / EQ2 in business. For those of us that aren't kids and have a job / money, those xp potions come in handy I must say. All these expansion, content updates, updates in general are because of stationcash. Without it, the game probably would be another planetside/SWG of sorts.</blockquote>Then it might as well die.

NightGod473

10-13-2010, 11:57 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fishpoke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dont bash the marketplace, it keeps EQ / EQ2 in business. For those of us that aren't kids and have a job / money, those xp potions come in handy I must say. All these expansion, content updates, updates in general are because of stationcash. Without it, the game probably would be another planetside/SWG of sorts.</blockquote>Then it might as well die.</blockquote>The irony of someone who plays on the RMT server complaining about Station Cash items is thick enough to need a chainsaw to cut...

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 12:06 AM

<cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fishpoke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dont bash the marketplace, it keeps EQ / EQ2 in business. For those of us that aren't kids and have a job / money, those xp potions come in handy I must say. All these expansion, content updates, updates in general are because of stationcash. Without it, the game probably would be another planetside/SWG of sorts.</blockquote>Then it might as well die.</blockquote>The irony of someone who plays on the RMT server complaining about Station Cash items is thick enough to need a chainsaw to cut...</blockquote>The ignorance of someone who doesn't know about how the exchange works needs a jackhammer to smash...You know it's all voluntary there right? I can be completely isolated from any cash transactions and not have to ever touch it.Station Cash is completely different. I can never have those items without using money.I've never used the exchange, nor have I wanted to. I used the marketplace for a period of time, until I realized what it meant in the long run.Now, I just quit. There's no point in playing a game that makes me pay them to pay them more.

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 12:29 AM

<cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free).</blockquote>I agree. There is NOTHING on station cash that is required. And if someone wants to use HIS/HER money to get something, he/she has every right to do so. It's kind of like being [Removed for Content] because someone else can buy a bigger house than you can. But then it provides ample opportunity to complain about something.

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 12:32 AM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Make it a check box and more of us would be happy.</blockquote>Nah. Many of these people will never be happy unless/until they get to control every aspect of the game and how every other person is "allowed" to play.

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 12:38 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hunting rats in antonica 10$Upgrading my house in game 15$Making new alts 50$Having fun - Not available.</blockquote>Then perhaps a different pasttime is in order.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 01:04 AM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hunting rats in antonica 10$Upgrading my house in game 15$Making new alts 50$Having fun - Not available.</blockquote>Then perhaps a different pasttime is in order.</blockquote>Yar, no der?

Andok

10-14-2010, 01:29 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go.</blockquote>I kind of look at this from the perspective that, for some players, it's more of a hobby than just a game they play occasionally on their computer. And people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on their hobbies (i.e.: golfers dropping $300 on a new titanium club, model train nuts spending thousands to build their "dream" setup, etc.) In that context, spending an extra $10 or $15 for something that makes the game more fun for them is not really that "out there". There is a fine line that SOE needs to be careful not to cross (selling raid gear for cash, for example, would be far over that line) but stuff like tracking potions and house item expanders, I just can't see how that's really such a big deal.</blockquote>I don't even care if they sell raid gear for cash. I wouldn't buy it because then I wouldn't have a reason to play anymore, but if my neighbors want to buy it, I couldn't care less. They can sell copies of my character for 50SC on a double SC weekend and I wouldn't care. </blockquote>It amuses me that you wouldn't care when allowing SC to run amuck is hurting the game each time something sells.Not monetarily, but content wise.If SC makes more money of course it will become the focus.</blockquote>It may hurt the game for you, but it enhances it for others.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 02:27 AM

<cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go.</blockquote>I kind of look at this from the perspective that, for some players, it's more of a hobby than just a game they play occasionally on their computer. And people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on their hobbies (i.e.: golfers dropping $300 on a new titanium club, model train nuts spending thousands to build their "dream" setup, etc.) In that context, spending an extra $10 or $15 for something that makes the game more fun for them is not really that "out there". There is a fine line that SOE needs to be careful not to cross (selling raid gear for cash, for example, would be far over that line) but stuff like tracking potions and house item expanders, I just can't see how that's really such a big deal.</blockquote>I don't even care if they sell raid gear for cash. I wouldn't buy it because then I wouldn't have a reason to play anymore, but if my neighbors want to buy it, I couldn't care less. They can sell copies of my character for 50SC on a double SC weekend and I wouldn't care. </blockquote>It amuses me that you wouldn't care when allowing SC to run amuck is hurting the game each time something sells.Not monetarily, but content wise.If SC makes more money of course it will become the focus.</blockquote>It may hurt the game for you, but it enhances it for others. </blockquote>I'm glad you play games specifically for the counterpurpose of their existence.game 1 (g<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif" align="absbottom" />m)n.1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime:I mean sure, if you like spending money and have the ability. Good for you. I don't, won't, and can't.

NightGod473

10-14-2010, 03:11 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite>It may hurt the game for you, but it enhances it for others. </blockquote>I'm glad you play games specifically for the counterpurpose of their existence.game 1 (g<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif" align="absbottom" />m)n.1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime:I mean sure, if you like spending money and have the ability. Good for you. I don't, won't, and can't.</blockquote>You pay for this game from day one (or soon after, if you started a free trial, I suppose). Just because you disagree with the current economic model doesn't mean everyone else does. As you have said, it's no longer something you agree with and you plan to leave. How does harping on those who have a different view do anything for you?

Andok

10-14-2010, 03:33 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sarah wrote:</cite><blockquote>We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go.</blockquote>I kind of look at this from the perspective that, for some players, it's more of a hobby than just a game they play occasionally on their computer. And people will spend ridiculous amounts of money on their hobbies (i.e.: golfers dropping $300 on a new titanium club, model train nuts spending thousands to build their "dream" setup, etc.) In that context, spending an extra $10 or $15 for something that makes the game more fun for them is not really that "out there". There is a fine line that SOE needs to be careful not to cross (selling raid gear for cash, for example, would be far over that line) but stuff like tracking potions and house item expanders, I just can't see how that's really such a big deal.</blockquote>I don't even care if they sell raid gear for cash. I wouldn't buy it because then I wouldn't have a reason to play anymore, but if my neighbors want to buy it, I couldn't care less. They can sell copies of my character for 50SC on a double SC weekend and I wouldn't care. </blockquote>It amuses me that you wouldn't care when allowing SC to run amuck is hurting the game each time something sells.Not monetarily, but content wise.If SC makes more money of course it will become the focus.</blockquote>It may hurt the game for you, but it enhances it for others. </blockquote>I'm glad you play games specifically for the counterpurpose of their existence.game 1 (g<img src="http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif" align="absbottom" />m)n.1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime:I mean sure, if you like spending money and have the ability. Good for you. I don't, won't, and can't.</blockquote>I don't know what you mean by "specifically for the counterpurpose of their existence" - games and entertainment cost money, and EQ2 is a huge bargain even at twice the price.

Iskandar

10-14-2010, 03:38 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know it's all voluntary there right? I can be completely isolated from any cash transactions and not have to ever touch it. Station Cash is completely different. I can never have those items without using money.</blockquote>What you're saying works either way though.... you know the Marketplace is all voluntary, right? You can be completely isolated from any Marketplace transactions and not have to ever touch it.... The Exchange is completely different. I can never buy an account there without using money.It's all a matter of perspective.I know, I know -- I'm a tool, a pawn, blinded by whatnot, and whatever.... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> But believe it or not, there are people throughout this game who have never used the Marketplace. Not even once. There are people who have never even taken a peek at LoN. I know a few of them, people I play and raid with every day -- if you asked around, I'd bet you probably know a few as well.They are people who are just like you -- people who don't, won't or simply can't use the Marketplace. Not one single penny from any of them has gone to anything but their monthly sub and the price of an expansion. And there is nothing whatsoever that keeps them from enjoying and using this game to the fullest, just as much as anyone else who plays. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />Like it or not, the Marketplace is a part of this game now. And as such, it is up to us, as the consumers of the EQ2 product, to provide proper feedback that will allow the developers and producers to create a complete product that we can ALL be happy with. SOE, like ANY company, is here to make a profit... driving customers away does not make a profit -- but communicating with them and tailoring your product to meet their expectations does.With proper feedback -- mature, calm, rational, analytical, detailed, and precise -- we can work to establish limits and boundaries on what we do and don't want to see on the Marketplace. Ragequitting and flaming the forums may be a great stress relief for some -- but it does absolutely nothing to promote change. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 11:56 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>It amuses me that you wouldn't care when allowing SC to run amuck is hurting the game each time something sells.Not monetarily, but content wise.If SC makes more money of course it will become the focus.</blockquote>Whether or not one of us buys something off SC doesn't affect YOUR game in the least. It only affects your apparent need to control how the game should be play from YOUR perspective. So the question becomes who do you think you are that you have the right to demand that?

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 11:57 AM

<cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.</blockquote>The crafted pocket expander *is* the alternate path. We're just lucky that they allowed them to stack.</blockquote>When did they allow them to stack? I've never been able to use more than one in any house. I would certainly make my own and use it if that were possible.

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 11:59 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fishpoke wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dont bash the marketplace, it keeps EQ / EQ2 in business. For those of us that aren't kids and have a job / money, those xp potions come in handy I must say. All these expansion, content updates, updates in general are because of stationcash. Without it, the game probably would be another planetside/SWG of sorts.</blockquote>Then it might as well die.</blockquote>Says you because in your world your way is the only way. How selfish is that?If you are so miserable with the way the game is being run, then go create your own where you can control everything and everyone in it or go find something else to do.

d1anaw

10-14-2010, 12:02 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now, I just quit. There's no point in playing a game that makes me pay them to pay them more.</blockquote>And that is precisely what you should do if you are so miserable playing. So why are you here continuing to complain and bash about a game you are no longer playing? Because no one else should play because you don't like it? Go find a book to read or something.

Koldriana

10-14-2010, 12:21 PM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote>But believe it or not, there are people throughout this game who have never used the Marketplace. Not even once. There are people who have never even taken a peek at LoN. I know a few of them, people I play and raid with every day -- if you asked around, I'd bet you probably know a few as well.They are people who are just like you -- people who don't, won't or simply can't use the Marketplace. Not one single penny from any of them has gone to anything but their monthly sub and the price of an expansion. And there is nothing whatsoever that keeps them from enjoying and using this game to the fullest, just as much as anyone else who plays. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>That's me.As it has been said and I aggree with it - if someone else wants to buy extra fluff things or potions or whatever it does not affect my enjoyment of the game at all.It's nice that there are options for those who don't have the time to devote or who don't enjoy the leveling process (for me I'd get BORED out of my tree with a max level character) I have used my potions from vet rewards but they aren't required for me. I'm sure I am not the only person playing who plays this way.It's a game and people all play differently and SOE is a BUSINESS and like any business thier goal ultimately is to make money. From a business perspective anything they can do to increase their revenue is good thus SC and the marketplace are very unlikely to ever go away. This being the case it is in everyone's best interest to try to make it as useful as possible without being game breaking.Giveing people the option to have an extra character or some more space in thier houses or some potions to level faster is in no way game breaking. For those of us who choose not to buy these things we won't even notice or care. For me, it seems that the only people who 'care' about what's being sold in the SC are those that feel they should be entitled to the same things without putting in the same work/cash/time whatever have you.Why be upset because there is something in the game that you can't have? There are lots of things that not everyone will get..Tons..Millions even. Things that you can NEVER have no matter how much you pay or how long you have played - this is no different. What does it mattter? it's just like saying "If I can't have it, then no one can".

Alvane

10-14-2010, 12:38 PM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite><blockquote>They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.</blockquote>The crafted pocket expander *is* the alternate path. We're just lucky that they allowed them to stack.</blockquote>When did they allow them to stack? I've never been able to use more than one in any house. I would certainly make my own and use it if that were possible.</blockquote>The crafter 100 expandable version stacks with EITHER the 100 SC OR the 200 SC version.The 100 SC version does NOT stack with the 200 SC version.I think that's what Nightgod meant, only didn't spell it out.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 01:44 PM

<cite>Koldriana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote>But believe it or not, there are people throughout this game who have never used the Marketplace. Not even once. There are people who have never even taken a peek at LoN. I know a few of them, people I play and raid with every day -- if you asked around, I'd bet you probably know a few as well.They are people who are just like you -- people who don't, won't or simply can't use the Marketplace. Not one single penny from any of them has gone to anything but their monthly sub and the price of an expansion. And there is nothing whatsoever that keeps them from enjoying and using this game to the fullest, just as much as anyone else who plays. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>That's me.As it has been said and I aggree with it - if someone else wants to buy extra fluff things or potions or whatever it does not affect my enjoyment of the game at all.It's nice that there are options for those who don't have the time to devote or who don't enjoy the leveling process (for me I'd get BORED out of my tree with a max level character) I have used my potions from vet rewards but they aren't required for me. I'm sure I am not the only person playing who plays this way.It's a game and people all play differently and SOE is a BUSINESS and like any business thier goal ultimately is to make money. From a business perspective anything they can do to increase their revenue is good thus SC and the marketplace are very unlikely to ever go away. This being the case it is in everyone's best interest to try to make it as useful as possible without being game breaking.Giveing people the option to have an extra character or some more space in thier houses or some potions to level faster is in no way game breaking. For those of us who choose not to buy these things we won't even notice or care. For me, it seems that the only people who 'care' about what's being sold in the SC are those that feel they should be entitled to the same things without putting in the same work/cash/time whatever have you.Why be upset because there is something in the game that you can't have? There are lots of things that not everyone will get..Tons..Millions even. Things that you can NEVER have no matter how much you pay or how long you have played - this is no different. What does it mattter? it's just like saying "If I can't have it, then no one can".</blockquote>What things can I never obtain besides things that have been removed from loot tables or are special event items?You're all making a straw person fallacy by assuming that I care if YOU all get them. I don't, spend your money as you wish. Why would I play on exchange if I cared what you did?Comparing the Exchange to the Marketplace is NOT the same thing. It's apples to oranges.The exchange has no content in game which I must pay a second time to obtain. It sells all time based items.The marketplace sells content of which I CANNOT find anywhere else.Totally different concepts.If you want to pay, pay.If I want to play, why can't I play?(Items such as character slots should have always existed, and just exacerbates my point by showing that because the Marketplace exists things that never would have, will happen. It is a good thing, but how long will that last?)

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 01:47 PM

Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.

Wurm

10-14-2010, 01:54 PM

I use station cash for fluff.But for a very very long time we were told we couldn't have more slots due to lag.And all of a sudden we can buy slots for $$$ That's what bothered me enough to make this thread.I could personally care less if people like buying items on SC. I just want more honesty from our development team.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 01:57 PM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>I use station cash for fluff.But for a very very long time we were told we couldn't have more slots due to lag.And all of a sudden we can buy slots for $$$ That's what bothered me enough to make this thread.I could personally care less if people like buying items on SC. I just want more honesty from our development team.</blockquote>I would prefer that as well.

Andok

10-14-2010, 02:09 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>This discussion has already been done to death, but I already pay for expansions on top of my subscription to access content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access. If it makes you feel any better, think of SC items as tiny expansions. You don't have to buy either Sentinel's Fate or the house expander to play. Both are just different types of new content that we can decide to purchase or not.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 02:16 PM

<cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>This discussion has already been done to death, but I already pay for expansions on top of my subscription to access content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access. If it makes you feel any better, think of SC items as tiny expansions. You don't have to buy either Sentinel's Fate or the house expander to play. Both are just different types of new content that we can decide to purchase or not.</blockquote>Sorry, weak analogy. I shouldn't have to pay 25$ for an expansion that's only a mount in and of itself. When I pay 40$ for an expansion that has it's own free mounts.

Andok

10-14-2010, 02:22 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>This discussion has already been done to death, but I already pay for expansions on top of my subscription to access content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access. If it makes you feel any better, think of SC items as tiny expansions. You don't have to buy either Sentinel's Fate or the house expander to play. Both are just different types of new content that we can decide to purchase or not.</blockquote>Sorry, weak analogy. I shouldn't have to pay 25$ for an expansion that's only a mount in and of itself. When I pay 40$ for an expansion that has it's own free mounts.</blockquote>Sorry, perfect analogy - one is just overpriced compared to the other. Still, I don't care. It's my decision whether its worth my entertainment dollars or not.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 02:29 PM

Andok

10-14-2010, 02:45 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>This discussion has already been done to death, but I already pay for expansions on top of my subscription to access content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access. If it makes you feel any better, think of SC items as tiny expansions. You don't have to buy either Sentinel's Fate or the house expander to play. Both are just different types of new content that we can decide to purchase or not.</blockquote>Sorry, weak analogy. I shouldn't have to pay 25$ for an expansion that's only a mount in and of itself. When I pay 40$ for an expansion that has it's own free mounts.</blockquote>Sorry, perfect analogy - one is just overpriced compared to the other. Still, I don't care. It's my decision whether its worth my entertainment dollars or not. </blockquote>It's not a perfect analogy because as tiny expansions, they are literally less than 1/1000th of the content within an actual one and should be priced as such. Does a mount cost 25 cents? No, it doesn't.</blockquote>So what. They're both content that you buy.Anyway, I saw your other post stating that you are just trolling until you get banned. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> That puts your posts here in perspective.To get back to the OP - I like the new new SC items and I look forward to more. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 02:49 PM

<cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>This discussion has already been done to death, but I already pay for expansions on top of my subscription to access content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access. If it makes you feel any better, think of SC items as tiny expansions. You don't have to buy either Sentinel's Fate or the house expander to play. Both are just different types of new content that we can decide to purchase or not.</blockquote>Sorry, weak analogy. I shouldn't have to pay 25$ for an expansion that's only a mount in and of itself. When I pay 40$ for an expansion that has it's own free mounts.</blockquote>Sorry, perfect analogy - one is just overpriced compared to the other. Still, I don't care. It's my decision whether its worth my entertainment dollars or not. </blockquote>It's not a perfect analogy because as tiny expansions, they are literally less than 1/1000th of the content within an actual one and should be priced as such. Does a mount cost 25 cents? No, it doesn't.</blockquote>So what. They're both content that you buy.Anyway, I saw your other post stating that you are just trolling until you get banned. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> That puts your posts here in perspective.To get back to the OP - I like the new new SC items and I look forward to more. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>So, you dismiss a perspective simply because I hold nothing back and say anything I want to? That makes the point invalid?Good outlook on life =)I'll remember that next time someone attempts to get a point across.Sorry, you're upset. Therefore, I don't accept your perspective.I basically assumed that in this method of rejection of SC and the Marketplace I would have been banned by now, but as I haven't. My perspective shall continue to exist.

Andok

10-14-2010, 02:54 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, you dismiss a perspective simply because I hold nothing back and say anything I want to? That makes the point invalid?Good outlook on life =)I'll remember that next time someone attempts to get a point across.Sorry, you're upset. Therefore, I don't accept your perspective.I basically assumed that in this method of rejection of SC and the Marketplace I would have been banned by now, but as I haven't. My perspective shall continue to exist.</blockquote>Nice try <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 02:58 PM

<cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, you dismiss a perspective simply because I hold nothing back and say anything I want to? That makes the point invalid?Good outlook on life =)I'll remember that next time someone attempts to get a point across.Sorry, you're upset. Therefore, I don't accept your perspective.I basically assumed that in this method of rejection of SC and the Marketplace I would have been banned by now, but as I haven't. My perspective shall continue to exist.</blockquote>Nice try <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>On what? You do know that my point is not invalidated by my own attempt to get banned.

Iskandar

10-14-2010, 03:19 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>On what? You do know that my point is not invalidated by my own attempt to get banned.</blockquote>Instead of trying to get banned, why not try to promote a change? Your efforts to get banned will result in little more than people ignoring you. Directing all that effort into something more constructive could very well result in a positive change to the things that are driving you away from the game.Honestly, if I were running SOE, I'd pay far more attention to the posts where a calm discussion weighs the pros and cons of a feature in a mature and orderly way, and offers alternatives and feedback for those that are poorly accepted... and I'd more or less ignore the ones full of "omgzors this suxxors" and the overly emo /ragequit nonsense.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 03:21 PM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>On what? You do know that my point is not invalidated by my own attempt to get banned.</blockquote>Instead of trying to get banned, why not try to promote a change? Your efforts to get banned will result in little more than people ignoring you. Directing all that effort into something more constructive could very well result in a positive change to the things that are driving you away from the game.Honestly, if I were running SOE, I'd pay far more attention to the posts where a calm discussion weighs the pros and cons of a feature in a mature and orderly way, and offers alternatives and feedback for those that are poorly accepted... and I'd more or less ignore the ones full of "omgzors this suxxors" and the overly emo /ragequit nonsense.</blockquote>I've done that and people just ignore it.Therein, the best way to get noticed is to offer a radical and critical view in a manner in which seems upset.If you actually think I'm mad. I'm not.

Iskandar

10-14-2010, 03:49 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've done that and people just ignore it.Therein, the best way to get noticed is to offer a radical and critical view in a manner in which seems upset.If you actually think I'm mad. I'm not.</blockquote>hehe! Well, it's your choice... but having done my own share of hostile overly-critical posts in one forum or another in the past, I can tell you it's not a particularly effective way to rally folks to your cause -- especially the folks who actually run the game <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 03:58 PM

<cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've done that and people just ignore it.Therein, the best way to get noticed is to offer a radical and critical view in a manner in which seems upset.If you actually think I'm mad. I'm not.</blockquote>hehe! Well, it's your choice... but having done my own share of hostile overly-critical posts in one forum or another in the past, I can tell you it's not a particularly effective way to rally folks to your cause -- especially the folks who actually run the game <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>If civility is ignored at least unrest is answered. It's better to be in your thoughts than it is to remain unseen. At least you see and attempt to understand it.

Alvane

10-14-2010, 06:27 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>The value of anything is up to the buyer regardless of what the seller prices something. If you don't think something is a good value, then don't buy it - end of story.Do you complain to stores irl that products you want to buy are too expensive? Or do you find something else that's similar but priced in your budget? You want to buy a new one ton dually but can't afford the 40k price tag. Do you complain? Or do you buy a used dually at 15k that meets your needs?

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 06:35 PM

<cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>The value of anything is up to the buyer regardless of what the seller prices something. If you don't think something is a good value, then don't buy it - end of story.Do you complain to stores irl that products you want to buy are too expensive? Or do you find something else that's similar but priced in your budget? You want to buy a new one ton dually but can't afford the 40k price tag. Do you complain? Or do you buy a used dually at 15k that meets your needs?</blockquote>Really bad comparison. I work in retail. People complain to me ALL the time about prices.

Illmarr

10-14-2010, 07:06 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>The value of anything is up to the buyer regardless of what the seller prices something. If you don't think something is a good value, then don't buy it - end of story.Do you complain to stores irl that products you want to buy are too expensive? Or do you find something else that's similar but priced in your budget? You want to buy a new one ton dually but can't afford the 40k price tag. Do you complain? Or do you buy a used dually at 15k that meets your needs?</blockquote>Really bad comparison. I work in retail. People complain to me ALL the time about prices.</blockquote>How often do you lower them? Or how often to you think "if you have to ask you can't afford the lingerie?" *Apologies to Prince and Sheila E.*Complaining does not equal right.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 07:15 PM

<cite>Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>The value of anything is up to the buyer regardless of what the seller prices something. If you don't think something is a good value, then don't buy it - end of story.Do you complain to stores irl that products you want to buy are too expensive? Or do you find something else that's similar but priced in your budget? You want to buy a new one ton dually but can't afford the 40k price tag. Do you complain? Or do you buy a used dually at 15k that meets your needs?</blockquote>Really bad comparison. I work in retail. People complain to me ALL the time about prices.</blockquote>How often do you lower them? Or how often to you think "if you have to ask you can't afford the lingerie?" *Apologies to Prince and Sheila E.*Complaining does not equal right.</blockquote>Now that's another bad comparison. Retail is through a retailer who purchases things wholesale from a manufacturer. We indeed do raise and lower prices, not in direct response to customers but to supply and demand.Clearance although, for example is in response to customer demand. No one will pay that price, so we lower the price in an attempt to save profit.Sony develops this game, as such we have the right to request new services and voice our opinion in this forum set up for us to do so.Most companies if you have an issue with their product opt to customer service and will give you free things as an apology even. Ever had a soda can missing and called pepsi? They send you a coupon for a free pack. Just last night my order was wrong at whataburger and I called them back and I will get a free burger.If I don't like where this game is going. I will feel free to complain and offer suggestions and criticisms. Anytime, Anywhere.

NightGod473

10-14-2010, 10:37 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>The value of anything is up to the buyer regardless of what the seller prices something. If you don't think something is a good value, then don't buy it - end of story.Do you complain to stores irl that products you want to buy are too expensive? Or do you find something else that's similar but priced in your budget? You want to buy a new one ton dually but can't afford the 40k price tag. Do you complain? Or do you buy a used dually at 15k that meets your needs?</blockquote>Really bad comparison. I work in retail. People complain to me ALL the time about prices.</blockquote>How often do you lower them? Or how often to you think "if you have to ask you can't afford the lingerie?" *Apologies to Prince and Sheila E.*Complaining does not equal right.</blockquote>Now that's another bad comparison. Retail is through a retailer who purchases things wholesale from a manufacturer. We indeed do raise and lower prices, not in direct response to customers but to supply and demand.Clearance although, for example is in response to customer demand. No one will pay that price, so we lower the price in an attempt to save profit.Sony develops this game, as such we have the right to request new services and voice our opinion in this forum set up for us to do so.Most companies if you have an issue with their product opt to customer service and will give you free things as an apology even. Ever had a soda can missing and called pepsi? They send you a coupon for a free pack. Just last night my order was wrong at whataburger and I called them back and I will get a free burger.If I don't like where this game is going. I will feel free to complain and offer suggestions and criticisms. Anytime, Anywhere.</blockquote>Clearance? You mean like the reduced prices on SC items (especially clothing)? The change from charged petamorphs to unlimited charges? The reduced prices for buying furniture packs rather than complete sets?I know I've personally gotten free play time from CS when I had a billing issue that was determined to be their fault when I called up and talked to them about it.So what was the point you were making in this post again?

Illmarr

10-14-2010, 10:50 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>The value of anything is up to the buyer regardless of what the seller prices something. If you don't think something is a good value, then don't buy it - end of story.Do you complain to stores irl that products you want to buy are too expensive? Or do you find something else that's similar but priced in your budget? You want to buy a new one ton dually but can't afford the 40k price tag. Do you complain? Or do you buy a used dually at 15k that meets your needs?</blockquote>Really bad comparison. I work in retail. People complain to me ALL the time about prices.</blockquote>How often do you lower them? Or how often to you think "if you have to ask you can't afford the lingerie?" *Apologies to Prince and Sheila E.*Complaining does not equal right.</blockquote>Now that's another bad comparison. Retail is through a retailer who purchases things wholesale from a manufacturer. We indeed do raise and lower prices, not in direct response to customers but to supply and demand.Clearance although, for example is in response to customer demand. No one will pay that price, so we lower the price in an attempt to save profit.Sony develops this game, as such we have the right to request new services and voice our opinion in this forum set up for us to do so.Most companies if you have an issue with their product opt to customer service and will give you free things as an apology even. Ever had a soda can missing and called pepsi? They send you a coupon for a free pack. Just last night my order was wrong at whataburger and I called them back and I will get a free burger.If I don't like where this game is going. I will feel free to complain and offer suggestions and criticisms. Anytime, Anywhere.</blockquote>You've dragged us so far off the map I'm not sure I can even make a pertinent rebuttal. All I can do is count down the time I have to endure you before you ride off into the sunset. Hope you enjoy your free can of pepsi and burger more than you do EQ2 lately. That's all I found worthy in your post. Please try harder to get banned.

Vortexelemental

10-14-2010, 10:52 PM

I dragged this off topic... Really? When it was your bad comparison? XD You amuse me.

Alvane

10-15-2010, 01:07 AM

isest

10-15-2010, 07:48 AM

Well so much for the ex2 next not effecting the liver servers again. The lines are starting to get blurred between the 2 games. I find this entire thread funny however. Added house item slots. You know what you dont want extra slots dont buy them. You dont want extra toon's dont buy them.It is all fluff, now if this stuff was needed to progress a quests, or a raid then yes thats when we should yell.

Wurm

10-15-2010, 08:07 AM

<cite>isest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well so much for the ex2 next not effecting the liver servers again. The lines are starting to get blurred between the 2 games. I find this entire thread funny however. Added house item slots. You know what you dont want extra slots dont buy them. You dont want extra toon's dont buy them.It is all fluff, now if this stuff was needed to progress a quests, or a raid then yes thats when we should yell.</blockquote>Once again. It was the "YOU CANT HAVE MORE SLOTS BECAUSE THEY CAUSE LAG!!!" turning into "YOU CAN HAVE MORE SLOTS FOR CASH, LAG BE DAMNED!!!" that [Removed for Content] me off enough to make this thread.All the weirdness Vortex added to it isn't my fault.

NightGod473

10-15-2010, 10:30 AM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>isest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well so much for the ex2 next not effecting the liver servers again. The lines are starting to get blurred between the 2 games. I find this entire thread funny however. Added house item slots. You know what you dont want extra slots dont buy them. You dont want extra toon's dont buy them.It is all fluff, now if this stuff was needed to progress a quests, or a raid then yes thats when we should yell.</blockquote>Once again. It was the "YOU CANT HAVE MORE SLOTS BECAUSE THEY CAUSE LAG!!!" turning into "YOU CAN HAVE MORE SLOTS FOR CASH, LAG BE DAMNED!!!" that [Removed for Content] me off enough to make this thread.All the weirdness Vortex added to it isn't my fault.</blockquote>And EQLive would never have larger than 10 slot bags. This was the mantra for years and years. Not "probably", not "very unlikely", it was always a flat-out "impossible, no way it could ever happen, not even if you sacrifice a field of goats to the diety of your choice".They just added bags up to 20 slots in the expansion (House of Thule) that came out the same day as this GU. Things change.

Alvane

10-15-2010, 10:49 AM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>isest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well so much for the ex2 next not effecting the liver servers again. The lines are starting to get blurred between the 2 games. I find this entire thread funny however. Added house item slots. You know what you dont want extra slots dont buy them. You dont want extra toon's dont buy them.It is all fluff, now if this stuff was needed to progress a quests, or a raid then yes thats when we should yell.</blockquote>Once again. It was the "YOU CANT HAVE MORE SLOTS BECAUSE THEY CAUSE LAG!!!" turning into "YOU CAN HAVE MORE SLOTS FOR CASH, LAG BE DAMNED!!!" that [Removed for Content] me off enough to make this thread.</blockquote>So, what? At the time, it was true. SoE has done some changes in various hardware. Some were minor, some major. Lag has been significantly reduced - at least on Unrest. Yeah, it sometimes still occurs but not like it was. A lot more stable.So, it's possible to now have increased data bases including additional slots, if you so desire. They aren't a necessity for playing the game, no. In fact, slots have already increased without using SC, too, and in several different ways. I'm sure you can figure that out, can't you?

Vortexelemental

10-15-2010, 07:03 PM

<cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now, I just quit. There's no point in playing a game that makes me pay them to pay them more.</blockquote>Waiting for you to do what you say your going to do. Or do you lie?</blockquote>I've lied very few times in my life. I have already quit the game. I have logged on two times in the past 3 months. Once to inquire of a friend about the military and ended up having a very nice open ended chat in 1-9. The second time was a few days ago when I played hide and seek for about and hour to give away my plat.Just because I post here doesn't mean I'm playing.My setup has three computers and a TV all in my field of vision.I can multi-task up to my fullest ability.

Vortexelemental

10-15-2010, 07:12 PM

To that end,Essentially, the point is that because Station Cash now exists there are new avenues to things once impossible at an extra cost per person outside of the subscription rate.Some people like this and have the money.Some people don't like this and have the money.Some people do like this and don't have the money.Some people don't like and don't have the money.The facts are that SC is making things we never could have had available for more money, some of them are not exactly fluff, and as time goes on it will be increasingly easier to push items towards live that have more of an effect on the game as people become settled with what SC is.You are paying, To play a game, To pay again, To get an insignificant portion of the game for more than what you pay to play it.I for one, am of the rationale that I do not like, and nor do I have the money for it.The above two reasonings do not relate to each other. Even if I had the money, I have plenty of other things I would want and would still despise the entire concept of it.For example, I do have a little bit of disposable income. Would I spend it on SC items? No. Why? The entire concept is self evolving. I don't dislike giving money to a game company. I dislike giving money to a game company for more than what I would pay for a subscription for a single item or two items within that game. The money generated by SC is seen as more easily attained revenue and as such becomes more heavily developed and relied upon.Would EQ2X ever have been done if they weren't already making a profit off SC?This is my perspective.

isest

10-15-2010, 07:22 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now, I just quit. There's no point in playing a game that makes me pay them to pay them more.</blockquote>Waiting for you to do what you say your going to do. Or do you lie?</blockquote>I've lied very few times in my life. I have already quit the game. I have logged on two times in the past 3 months. Once to inquire of a friend about the military and ended up having a very nice open ended chat in 1-9. The second time was a few days ago when I played hide and seek for about and hour to give away my plat.Just because I post here doesn't mean I'm playing.My setup has three computers and a TV all in my field of vision.I can multi-task up to my fullest ability.</blockquote>Ahem, well if your only logging in 2 times in the past 3 months your logging in all day long to the forums to make everybody else miserable. I use to do the same thing with lotro, until I finally figured out the only person being miserable was me. Meanwhile I was making the ignore list of everybody else and the laughing stock of the the forums.Really if your that unhappy you need to learn to let go and move on. I am just saying don't be don Quixote look how his life ended up. It is to bad the is not a gamers anon like alcoholics anon, some folks are in desperate need of it.

Vortexelemental

10-15-2010, 07:44 PM

<cite>isest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now, I just quit. There's no point in playing a game that makes me pay them to pay them more.</blockquote>Waiting for you to do what you say your going to do. Or do you lie?</blockquote>I've lied very few times in my life. I have already quit the game. I have logged on two times in the past 3 months. Once to inquire of a friend about the military and ended up having a very nice open ended chat in 1-9. The second time was a few days ago when I played hide and seek for about and hour to give away my plat.Just because I post here doesn't mean I'm playing.My setup has three computers and a TV all in my field of vision.I can multi-task up to my fullest ability.</blockquote>Ahem, well if your only logging in 2 times in the past 3 months your logging in all day long to the forums to make everybody else miserable. I use to do the same thing with lotro, until I finally figured out the only person being miserable was me. Meanwhile I was making the ignore list of everybody else and the laughing stock of the the forums.Really if your that unhappy you need to learn to let go and move on. I am just saying don't be don Quixote look how his life ended up. It is to bad the is not a gamers anon like alcoholics anon, some folks are in desperate need of it. </blockquote>Actually... I am usually doing something else while the forums are in a tab and I just refresh it ever so often. I have no issue being the target because I'm not miserable. In fact I'm quite glad I quit. I was pretty much addicted to this game and I needed to get a life.I have moved on, and I understand and respect the implication of the addiction help centers. I probably would have ended up better off if I had quit years ago.I'm mostly hanging around and attempting to use what I've learned in school to apply logic, reason, and learn my way through those with a direct application.Where's the best place to do that =p The internet !

NightGod473

10-15-2010, 11:36 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>To that end,Essentially, the point is that because Station Cash now exists there are new avenues to things once impossible at an extra cost per person outside of the subscription rate.Some people like this and have the money.Some people don't like this and have the money.Some people do like this and don't have the money.Some people don't like and don't have the money.The facts are that SC is making things we never could have had available for more money, some of them are not exactly fluff, and as time goes on it will be increasingly easier to push items towards live that have more of an effect on the game as people become settled with what SC is.You are paying, To play a game, To pay again, To get an insignificant portion of the game for more than what you pay to play it.I for one, am of the rationale that I do not like, and nor do I have the money for it.The above two reasonings do not relate to each other. Even if I had the money, I have plenty of other things I would want and would still despise the entire concept of it.For example, I do have a little bit of disposable income. Would I spend it on SC items? No. Why? The entire concept is self evolving. I don't dislike giving money to a game company. I dislike giving money to a game company for more than what I would pay for a subscription for a single item or two items within that game. The money generated by SC is seen as more easily attained revenue and as such becomes more heavily developed and relied upon.Would EQ2X ever have been done if they weren't already making a profit off SC?This is my perspective.</blockquote>On the other side, we have to wonder how many of the things that have made their way to us through SC would exist if there was no SC to pay for secondary development. It's an unanswerable question, of course, but chances are very good you wouldn't have many of the 'boutique' items without a micro-payment system in place to support them.

Rijacki

10-15-2010, 11:37 PM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Once again. It was the "YOU CANT HAVE MORE SLOTS BECAUSE THEY CAUSE LAG!!!" turning into "YOU CAN HAVE MORE SLOTS FOR CASH, LAG BE DAMNED!!!" that [Removed for Content] me off enough to make this thread.</blockquote>Those who want the slots can pay to have the database space and, hopefully, if enough people buy them it will put new hardware into the budget for every server. Just like the tax on gasoline and new car purchase in most states/countries goes to pay for the roads those cars use, those who want more storae should pay for it.BUT, every house did have it's number of slots essentially doubled FOR FREE with all of the largest houses in the cities getting an additional 200 slots for FREE. How so? In -every- house the contents of the 'moving crate' is now seperate from the house item contents (having the same limit as the house). The largest of the houses got an additional room (again FOR FREE) with 100 more house slots which is also +100 in the 'moving crate'.The crafted housing item gives 100 to the house and 100 to the moving crate, effectively doubling its value FOR FREE.The SC extenders stack with the crafted one, they are not instead of it.So, they gave everyone A LOT more house item slots FOR FREE. But you can pay for even more with real money IF YOU WANT.

Vortexelemental

10-15-2010, 11:59 PM

<cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>To that end,Essentially, the point is that because Station Cash now exists there are new avenues to things once impossible at an extra cost per person outside of the subscription rate.Some people like this and have the money.Some people don't like this and have the money.Some people do like this and don't have the money.Some people don't like and don't have the money.The facts are that SC is making things we never could have had available for more money, some of them are not exactly fluff, and as time goes on it will be increasingly easier to push items towards live that have more of an effect on the game as people become settled with what SC is.You are paying, To play a game, To pay again, To get an insignificant portion of the game for more than what you pay to play it.I for one, am of the rationale that I do not like, and nor do I have the money for it.The above two reasonings do not relate to each other. Even if I had the money, I have plenty of other things I would want and would still despise the entire concept of it.For example, I do have a little bit of disposable income. Would I spend it on SC items? No. Why? The entire concept is self evolving. I don't dislike giving money to a game company. I dislike giving money to a game company for more than what I would pay for a subscription for a single item or two items within that game. The money generated by SC is seen as more easily attained revenue and as such becomes more heavily developed and relied upon.Would EQ2X ever have been done if they weren't already making a profit off SC?This is my perspective.</blockquote>On the other side, we have to wonder how many of the things that have made their way to us through SC would exist if there was no SC to pay for secondary development. It's an unanswerable question, of course, but chances are very good you wouldn't have many of the 'boutique' items without a micro-payment system in place to support them.</blockquote>That's a good question.I certainly wouldn't miss those items though.

NightGod473

10-16-2010, 12:22 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote>On the other side, we have to wonder how many of the things that have made their way to us through SC would exist if there was no SC to pay for secondary development. It's an unanswerable question, of course, but chances are very good you wouldn't have many of the 'boutique' items without a micro-payment system in place to support them.</blockquote>That's a good question.I certainly wouldn't miss those items though.</blockquote>Then why all the hate for people who like the system and *would* miss those items if they weren't around?

Vortexelemental

10-16-2010, 12:44 AM

<cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>NightGod473 wrote:</cite><blockquote>On the other side, we have to wonder how many of the things that have made their way to us through SC would exist if there was no SC to pay for secondary development. It's an unanswerable question, of course, but chances are very good you wouldn't have many of the 'boutique' items without a micro-payment system in place to support them.</blockquote>That's a good question.I certainly wouldn't miss those items though.</blockquote>Then why all the hate for people who like the system and *would* miss those items if they weren't around?</blockquote>I haven't been hating on anyone but sony. Everyone else makes their own choice whether or not to accept their game features.

GorgukGrimmfist

10-16-2010, 05:06 PM

I think it is time to get realisitic about the whole issue of resources being used on SC item and put it into perspective.To start, personally I don't have any issues with most of the stuff they sell on the marketplace and in LoN (the special zone and unatune items are an exception, those irked me some). Realistically the VAST majority of ALL proceeds from EQ2 does NOT go back into the game. If you take subscription revenue alone and then add up all the costs of labor, overhead, hardware etc etc there is still a huge pot of gold left over. The money just goes into Sony share prices and extra bonuses for corporate CEO's. For SC to have any effect on game content you would have to assume that ALL of the money made previously on subscrptions alone went back into the game, this simply is NOT true. All SC does is allow a couple Fatcats to buy a 5 million dollar home instead of a 4 million dollar one. I expect new subscriptions and new SC items have little to NO effect on new content and how much money SOE budgets to EQ2. The money is simply not spent improving the game and never has been. They will continue to invest the least amount of money to make a profit, that is how buisnesses work.

Enica

10-16-2010, 05:16 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where's my premium prescription option so I can play on a server that integrates all content into playability and not cash transactions?Why can't I just pay more per month for all access to quests that offer these items?I don't mind supporting a company, but doing so for more than the cost to play the game is ridiculous.</blockquote>This discussion has already been done to death, but I already pay for expansions on top of my subscription to access content that I otherwise wouldn't be able to access. If it makes you feel any better, think of SC items as tiny expansions. You don't have to buy either Sentinel's Fate or the house expander to play. Both are just different types of new content that we can decide to purchase or not.</blockquote>Sorry, weak analogy. I shouldn't have to pay 25$ for an expansion that's only a mount in and of itself. When I pay 40$ for an expansion that has it's own free mounts.</blockquote>SF came with mounts. You had to pay plat for them and have a lvl 90 guild, but it had mounts in it.