So before I crashed I saw house item slots for $$$ ???

Wurm · 10-12-2010, 02:08 PM

Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end.

Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that.

Sar · 10-12-2010, 02:10 PM

This must be what they are talking about... hrm,..

Sar · 10-12-2010, 02:14 PM

I mean its not really that shocking... with the marketplace in place, you have to just expect to be tempted in all ways... thats how they will make money... they are going to offer things we only dreamed of before... but for a price tag. I don't want to sound like bad in anyway but the sooner you get use to it the better... just give yourself a budget and you'll be fine. =)

Iskandar · 10-12-2010, 02:14 PM

On the Marketplace under Services, there's now a 100 item increase for 600 Station Cash, and a 200 item incease for 1200 SC.

Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh?

Wurm · 10-12-2010, 02:16 PM

Iskandar wrote:

Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh?

Yeah and thats what made me mad. I'm tired of being lied to.

PlaneCrazy · 10-12-2010, 02:17 PM

Wurm wrote:

Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end.
Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that.

Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free).

Seriously, I dislike the concept of RMT as a whole, but this is directly inline with their SC system and really doesn't bother me. (in fact, I bet it's main intent was for the Eq2x market... i bet it's purchased more there then here)

Lethe5683 · 10-12-2010, 02:19 PM

Iskandar wrote:

On the Marketplace under Services, there's now a 100 item increase for 600 Station Cash, and a 200 item incease for 1200 SC.
Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh?

I don't think they ever said that. They said that it wasen't a good idea because of the lag it would create, not impossible.

Landiin · 10-12-2010, 02:20 PM

I think its them telling us that they can't do things b/c of database limitation than it is the RMT thing. But /shrug I could be wrong. welcome to free realms 2.0 SMILEY

Wurm · 10-12-2010, 02:25 PM

PlaneCrazy wrote:

Wurm wrote:
Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end.
Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that.
Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free).
Seriously, I dislike the concept of RMT as a whole, but this is directly inline with their SC system and really doesn't bother me. (in fact, I bet it's main intent was for the Eq2x market... i bet it's purchased more there then here)

Like I said I crashed before I could check my house if it had more slots. They keep giving us new rooms and spaces but no slots. And Rothgar said more than once we couldn't have more slots because it caused server lag, then all of a sudden PRESTO-CHANGO! we have even more slots then the ones they added, but only if we pay them even more money.

And I refuse to even discuss the RMT issue.

Te'ana · 10-12-2010, 02:31 PM

Actually, every time they have expanded our houses they have givin us 100 extra slots. The problem I have with this is that it will be a downer for the crafter made version that adds 100 slots.

Ceeamee · 10-12-2010, 02:41 PM

I can't see anyone spending $6 on a SC expander item when there is one that can be bought for less than a plat in game. I'm just kinda disappointed that they didn't give us the slots in question. Oh well. I will buy an expander and trying to say anything else would be a bold faced lie. But...I won't like it.. Other than that, I love the new outdoor areas. I'm going to have a ball decorating mine today.

Wurm · 10-12-2010, 02:42 PM

All and all I like this game update, but seeing the slots first thing when I logged in made the cream go a tad sour.

I just wish they would get it through their heads that there are people who don't want to see the SC stuff when they log in. Make it a check box and more of us would be happy.

Iskandar · 10-12-2010, 02:43 PM

The presence of these items doesn't upset me -- I plan on buying some actually.

It's the communication that annoys me. We're told they can't or won't do something.... but when it's something that can be sold for additional revenue, it suddenly works just fine.

But, all that aside, I'm curious about stacking..... can more than one of these items be purchased? ie, can I buy five 200-item expanders and get an extra 1000 items? If not, can I buy a 100 and a 200 and get 300 items? And I assume they both stack with the player-made expanders, but I'd like to get some confirmation first.

Te'ana · 10-12-2010, 02:48 PM

Iskandar wrote:

The presence of these items doesn't upset me -- I plan on buying some actually.
It's the communication that annoys me. We're told they can't or won't do something.... but when it's something that can be sold for additional revenue, it suddenly works just fine.
But, all that aside, I'm curious about stacking..... can more than one of these items be purchased? ie, can I buy five 200-item expanders and get an extra 1000 items? If not, can I buy a 100 and a 200 and get 300 items? And I assume they both stack with the player-made expanders, but I'd like to get some confirmation first.

Good questions. If they stack that would be really cool.

Edit: It does seem limited to houses. The crafted one can be applied to guild halls.

Edit: I just checked and I got 100 items added to my existing houses that got the new outdoor rooms.

NightGod473 · 10-12-2010, 02:50 PM

Wurm wrote:

Like I said I crashed before I could check my house if it had more slots. They keep giving us new rooms and spaces but no slots. And Rothgar said more than once we couldn't have more slots because it caused server lag, then all of a sudden PRESTO-CHANGO! we have even more slots then the ones they added, but only if we pay them even more money.
And I refuse to even discuss the RMT issue.

If they add 200 slots to everyone, it would add undue lag. If it only goes out to a small percentage of the players, it's not nearly as detrimental.

How's that confusing?

Gungo · 10-12-2010, 02:58 PM

The marketplace version stacks w crafter version.The market place is tied to character so its a permanant feature regardless of moving.The marketplace versions do not stack higher cost one overwrites lower cost version.

Every room addition added 100 more slots including todays update. Todays update also seperated the moving box limit from house item limit basically DOUBLING the items you can hold in the house.

They never said thier was a database issue and even if there was they upgraded the database server recently.They said it was a performance issue such as time to load into a home and rendering issues.I would suspect people who have the crafter and marketplace version in one of the new expanded limit houses will have some performance issues with the limit still.

The marketplace version will have NO effect on the sales of crafter versions since someone will have to be out of thier mind to spend $12 before they spend less then 1 plat in game. Now of course people who already have the crafter version and want to expand the limit have no choice but to use the marketplace version. But hey at least it is a single permanant purchase. The marketplace version also has no effect on guild halls but the crafter one does.

Lethe5683 · 10-12-2010, 03:03 PM

They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.

Iskandar · 10-12-2010, 03:21 PM

Gungo wrote:

The marketplace version stacks w crafter version.The market place is tied to character so its a permanant feature regardless of moving.The marketplace versions do not stack higher cost one overwrites lower cost version.
Every room addition added 100 more slots including todays update. Todays update also seperated the moving box limit from house item limit basically DOUBLING the items you can hold in the house.
They never said thier was a database issue and even if there was they upgraded the database server recently.They said it was a performance issue such as time to load into a home and rendering issues.I would suspect people who have the crafter and marketplace version in one of the new expanded limit houses will have some performance issues with the limit still.
The marketplace version will have NO effect on the sales of crafter versions since someone will have to be out of thier mind to spend $12 before they spend less then 1 plat in game. Now of course people who already have the crafter version and want to expand the limit have no choice but to use the marketplace version. But hey at least it is a single permanant purchase. The marketplace version also has no effect on guild halls but the crafter one does.

Thanks for the info Gungo! Just found a lot of that referenced down in the Homeshow forums and was gonna post it in here too

In regards to the reasons this was never added before, I'm sure I could have dug up Rothgar's original post if it were that important to me. But it's not really worth the effort They said they couldn't, now they can -- but we have to pay extra for it... /shrug... I'm not gonna stress over their decisions, any more than they will stress over mine.

Wurm · 10-12-2010, 03:27 PM

Gungo, thanks for the info. I always read house on the crafted ones and because of it never tried to use one in the guild hall. Our decorators will be pleased to hear that.

Vortexelemental · 10-12-2010, 03:34 PM

Hunting rats in antonica 10$

Upgrading my house in game 15$

Making new alts 50$

Having fun - Not available.

Jesdyr · 10-12-2010, 03:34 PM

Database issues can more often than not be solved by Money (and/or time, but you have to pay people for that as well). SMILEY

Sar · 10-12-2010, 03:52 PM

I thought they recently updated the database? Anyhow... this is hows it going to be from here on out... I hate the concept myself however thats just how everything seems to be now, give it some time WoW will jump on too and they can even triple that annual income... as if they need it heh.. anyhow... these are all cosmetic or luxury items they don't prevent you from playing so really if you aren't having fun its kinda your fault.

Vortexelemental · 10-12-2010, 04:06 PM

Sarah wrote:

I thought they recently updated the database? Anyhow... this is hows it going to be from here on out... I hate the concept myself however thats just how everything seems to be now, give it some time WoW will jump on too and they can even triple that annual income... as if they need it heh.. anyhow... these are all cosmetic or luxury items they don't prevent you from playing so really if you aren't having fun its kinda your fault.

Incorrect.

See http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=488228

Sar · 10-12-2010, 04:19 PM

Well considering this is the live forums I was talking about that in particular... The F2P model is much different and I haven't decided what I think about it... but it is suppose to be a separate game in that aspect.

Perhaps I am just too use to all this drivel... been playing FarmVille on Facebook for over a year now... if anyone has a hardon for making money off of "extra content" its them... but like I said if you aren't having fun move on because this is just the way games are now... I really doubt someone can change that... its why I am certain the F2P is on its own exclusive server because really they should've been able to just change live over to F2P but I am sure that would've created much more heat.

Vortexelemental · 10-12-2010, 04:21 PM

Sarah wrote:

Well considering this is the live forums I was talking about that in particular... The F2P model is much different and I haven't decided what I think about it... but it is suppose to be a separate game in that aspect.

Made with the same development team.

psisto · 10-12-2010, 04:22 PM

Sarah wrote:

I mean its not really that shocking... with the marketplace in place, you have to just expect to be tempted in all ways... thats how they will make money... they are going to offer things we only dreamed of before... but for a price tag. I don't want to sound like bad in anyway but the sooner you get use to it the better... just give yourself a budget and you'll be fine. =)

Thats one of the problems though, for me. On one hand, some of the stuff is really nice. On the other, I really hold back on buying anything cosmetic or gameplay related, simply because of two reasons:

a) the prices are way too high for a little appearance armor or a mount. I bought the dark elf armor because it was really awesome, but thats the only thing i considered so far. lower price might make me buy more often for sure

b) I dont know why, but SOE should please finally adopt paypal as payment method to buy station cash and subscription time. its fast and easy. whenever I want to buy SC, I have to actually do a money transfer to global collect, which takes a few days, or directly charge my bank account. paypal would be vastly preferred really.

Sar · 10-12-2010, 04:30 PM

We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go. I really am trying to be more helpful than saying "just deal with it, etc etc" because I've dealt with this system before and actually got burned a time or two... not with EQ in particular but with the same F2P model... they will try to come out with things people want, and those that have played for years will have that "entitlement" factor and think they just deserve it outright, well... it's prolly not going to happen... like I said if you set a monthly budget for yourself you'll be able to get things and not feel ripped off because you are saying hey, this is my "fun money" so I will spend it as I see fit. If that month you don't want anything than save your money for next month and pool it together... or just buy the SC and save it... I gave up smoking a year ago and wow thats like 120 a month I'm saving so if I spend 20 a month on eq aside the normal sub then its not a big deal... and at least its not harming my health in the same fashion. /shrug

Final note, the F2P model is hard to adjust too, trust me I know... and those of us OLD timers we will even have a harder time.. because things just never use to be like this... and while it might seem like people are trying to nickel and dime us all the time its really us who have the vote... vote with your wallet and don't let ideas like this win in your life. Sadly, there at just too many folks willing to pay for these services so...they will exist... but you can at least feel proud for not going into debt over a virtual life.

Vortexelemental · 10-12-2010, 04:33 PM

Sarah wrote:

We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go. I really am trying to be more helpful than saying "just deal with it, etc etc" because I've dealt with this system before and actually got burned a time or two... not with EQ in particular but with the same F2P model... they will try to come out with things people want, and those that have played for years will have that "entitlement" factor and think they just deserve it outright, well... it's prolly not going to happen... like I said if you set a monthly budget for yourself you'll be able to get things and not feel ripped off because you are saying hey, this is my "fun money" so I will spend it as I see fit. If that month you don't want anything than save your money for next month and pool it together... or just buy the SC and save it... I gave up smoking a year ago and wow thats like 120 a month I'm saving so if I spend 20 a month on eq aside the normal sub then its not a big deal... and at least its not harming my health in the same fashion. /shrug
Final note, the F2P model is hard to adjust too, trust me I know... and those of us OLD timers we will even have a harder time.. because things just never use to be like this... and while it might seem like people are trying to nickel and dime us all the time its really us who have the vote... vote with your wallet and don't let ideas like this win in your life. Sadly, there at just too many folks willing to pay for these services so...they will exist... but you can at least feel proud for not going into debt over a virtual life.

I already voted with my wallet. I don't pay sony anymore.

The issue is we are not on a F2P model, we are on a P2P2P model.

Pay, to Pay to Play.

That's the sony model.

Besides the entire free to play model being complete and utter trash.

Lorriana · 10-12-2010, 04:38 PM

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

Database issues can more often than not be solved by Money (and/or time, but you have to pay people for that as well).

This. I don't have an issue with this particular SC item. Increased item limits was a problem for whatever reason at the then current income level. If people pay more, the changes can be afforded. Simple enough.

Valdaglerion · 10-13-2010, 06:38 PM

Let them sell them. If someone is willing to pay additionally for the item then so be it. I do find it somewhat offensive that a lot of the things people have asked for over the years are now being introduced as additional pay items.

However, I want to know when I can buy multi-classing for my crafting toons so I can stop swapping between them, one toon to do it all....woohoo... (Coming to SC 2011 - Token of Multi-Tasking!)

10-12-2010, 02:08 PM	#1
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end. Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that. __________________

10-12-2010, 02:16 PM	#5
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Iskandar wrote: Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh? Yeah and thats what made me mad. I'm tired of being lied to. __________________

10-12-2010, 02:17 PM	#6
PlaneCrazy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 934	Wurm wrote: Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end. Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that. Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free). Seriously, I dislike the concept of RMT as a whole, but this is directly inline with their SC system and really doesn't bother me. (in fact, I bet it's main intent was for the Eq2x market... i bet it's purchased more there then here) __________________

10-12-2010, 02:19 PM	#7
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Iskandar wrote: On the Marketplace under Services, there's now a 100 item increase for 600 Station Cash, and a 200 item incease for 1200 SC. Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh? I don't think they ever said that. They said that it wasen't a good idea because of the lag it would create, not impossible.

10-12-2010, 02:20 PM	#8
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	I think its them telling us that they can't do things b/c of database limitation than it is the RMT thing. But /shrug I could be wrong. welcome to free realms 2.0 __________________

10-12-2010, 02:10 PM	#2
Sar General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 239	This must be what they are talking about... hrm,..

10-12-2010, 02:14 PM	#3
Sar General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 239	I mean its not really that shocking... with the marketplace in place, you have to just expect to be tempted in all ways... thats how they will make money... they are going to offer things we only dreamed of before... but for a price tag. I don't want to sound like bad in anyway but the sooner you get use to it the better... just give yourself a budget and you'll be fine. =)

10-12-2010, 02:14 PM	#4
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	On the Marketplace under Services, there's now a 100 item increase for 600 Station Cash, and a 200 item incease for 1200 SC. Guess ya'll fixed that "database issue" that made such an increase "impossible," eh?

10-12-2010, 02:25 PM	#9
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	PlaneCrazy wrote: Wurm wrote: Seriously? You expect us to pay money for house item slots? Since I crashed right after seeing that on the WONDERFUL WELCOME TO EQ2 window (we can no longer turn off) I wasn't able to see if my house had more slots by default... but I have to admit seeing the 1,200 house slot item [Removed for Content] me off to no end. Smokey, you and your team have some real guts, I'll give you that. Why does it [Removed for Content] you off? It's the same thing as the character slots. they are giving the players more options for a premium. They are not taking anything away from you... in fact, along with the nice outdoor patios they gave us this patch, they also upped our base house item limit (for free). Seriously, I dislike the concept of RMT as a whole, but this is directly inline with their SC system and really doesn't bother me. (in fact, I bet it's main intent was for the Eq2x market... i bet it's purchased more there then here) Like I said I crashed before I could check my house if it had more slots. They keep giving us new rooms and spaces but no slots. And Rothgar said more than once we couldn't have more slots because it caused server lag, then all of a sudden PRESTO-CHANGO! we have even more slots then the ones they added, but only if we pay them even more money. And I refuse to even discuss the RMT issue. __________________

10-12-2010, 02:31 PM	#10
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	Actually, every time they have expanded our houses they have givin us 100 extra slots. The problem I have with this is that it will be a downer for the crafter made version that adds 100 slots.

10-12-2010, 02:41 PM	#11
Ceeamee Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Raeford, NC Posts: 270	I can't see anyone spending $6 on a SC expander item when there is one that can be bought for less than a plat in game. I'm just kinda disappointed that they didn't give us the slots in question. Oh well. I will buy an expander and trying to say anything else would be a bold faced lie. But...I won't like it.. Other than that, I love the new outdoor areas. I'm going to have a ball decorating mine today.

10-12-2010, 02:42 PM	#12
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	All and all I like this game update, but seeing the slots first thing when I logged in made the cream go a tad sour. I just wish they would get it through their heads that there are people who don't want to see the SC stuff when they log in. Make it a check box and more of us would be happy. __________________

10-12-2010, 02:43 PM	#13
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	The presence of these items doesn't upset me -- I plan on buying some actually. It's the communication that annoys me. We're told they can't or won't do something.... but when it's something that can be sold for additional revenue, it suddenly works just fine. But, all that aside, I'm curious about stacking..... can more than one of these items be purchased? ie, can I buy five 200-item expanders and get an extra 1000 items? If not, can I buy a 100 and a 200 and get 300 items? And I assume they both stack with the player-made expanders, but I'd like to get some confirmation first.

10-12-2010, 02:48 PM	#14
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	Iskandar wrote: The presence of these items doesn't upset me -- I plan on buying some actually. It's the communication that annoys me. We're told they can't or won't do something.... but when it's something that can be sold for additional revenue, it suddenly works just fine. But, all that aside, I'm curious about stacking..... can more than one of these items be purchased? ie, can I buy five 200-item expanders and get an extra 1000 items? If not, can I buy a 100 and a 200 and get 300 items? And I assume they both stack with the player-made expanders, but I'd like to get some confirmation first. Good questions. If they stack that would be really cool. Edit: It does seem limited to houses. The crafted one can be applied to guild halls. Edit: I just checked and I got 100 items added to my existing houses that got the new outdoor rooms.

10-12-2010, 02:50 PM	#15
NightGod473 Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 848	Wurm wrote: Like I said I crashed before I could check my house if it had more slots. They keep giving us new rooms and spaces but no slots. And Rothgar said more than once we couldn't have more slots because it caused server lag, then all of a sudden PRESTO-CHANGO! we have even more slots then the ones they added, but only if we pay them even more money. And I refuse to even discuss the RMT issue. If they add 200 slots to everyone, it would add undue lag. If it only goes out to a small percentage of the players, it's not nearly as detrimental. How's that confusing? __________________ Fluffy list

10-12-2010, 02:58 PM	#16
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	The marketplace version stacks w crafter version.The market place is tied to character so its a permanant feature regardless of moving.The marketplace versions do not stack higher cost one overwrites lower cost version. Every room addition added 100 more slots including todays update. Todays update also seperated the moving box limit from house item limit basically DOUBLING the items you can hold in the house. They never said thier was a database issue and even if there was they upgraded the database server recently.They said it was a performance issue such as time to load into a home and rendering issues.I would suspect people who have the crafter and marketplace version in one of the new expanded limit houses will have some performance issues with the limit still. The marketplace version will have NO effect on the sales of crafter versions since someone will have to be out of thier mind to spend $12 before they spend less then 1 plat in game. Now of course people who already have the crafter version and want to expand the limit have no choice but to use the marketplace version. But hey at least it is a single permanant purchase. The marketplace version also has no effect on guild halls but the crafter one does.

10-12-2010, 03:03 PM	#17
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	They need to add new craftable/questable alternatives to these with eqal capacity. Afterall they did say that SC was "an alternative path" to getting items in game.

10-12-2010, 03:21 PM	#18
Iskandar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 1,047	Gungo wrote: The marketplace version stacks w crafter version.The market place is tied to character so its a permanant feature regardless of moving.The marketplace versions do not stack higher cost one overwrites lower cost version. Every room addition added 100 more slots including todays update. Todays update also seperated the moving box limit from house item limit basically DOUBLING the items you can hold in the house. They never said thier was a database issue and even if there was they upgraded the database server recently.They said it was a performance issue such as time to load into a home and rendering issues.I would suspect people who have the crafter and marketplace version in one of the new expanded limit houses will have some performance issues with the limit still. The marketplace version will have NO effect on the sales of crafter versions since someone will have to be out of thier mind to spend $12 before they spend less then 1 plat in game. Now of course people who already have the crafter version and want to expand the limit have no choice but to use the marketplace version. But hey at least it is a single permanant purchase. The marketplace version also has no effect on guild halls but the crafter one does. Thanks for the info Gungo! Just found a lot of that referenced down in the Homeshow forums and was gonna post it in here too In regards to the reasons this was never added before, I'm sure I could have dug up Rothgar's original post if it were that important to me. But it's not really worth the effort They said they couldn't, now they can -- but we have to pay extra for it... /shrug... I'm not gonna stress over their decisions, any more than they will stress over mine.

10-12-2010, 03:27 PM	#19
Wurm Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Gungo, thanks for the info. I always read house on the crafted ones and because of it never tried to use one in the guild hall. Our decorators will be pleased to hear that. __________________

10-12-2010, 03:34 PM	#20
Vortexelemental Server: The Bazaar Guild: Wherever the Wind May Blow Rank: Wind Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,115	Hunting rats in antonica 10$ Upgrading my house in game 15$ Making new alts 50$ Having fun - Not available. __________________ You must be joking. SoE? Reputable? Don't make me giggle. Ah, you went and made me giggle. There goes my sandwich.

10-12-2010, 03:34 PM	#21
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Database issues can more often than not be solved by Money (and/or time, but you have to pay people for that as well).

10-12-2010, 03:52 PM	#22
Sar General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 239	I thought they recently updated the database? Anyhow... this is hows it going to be from here on out... I hate the concept myself however thats just how everything seems to be now, give it some time WoW will jump on too and they can even triple that annual income... as if they need it heh.. anyhow... these are all cosmetic or luxury items they don't prevent you from playing so really if you aren't having fun its kinda your fault.

10-12-2010, 04:06 PM	#23
Vortexelemental Server: The Bazaar Guild: Wherever the Wind May Blow Rank: Wind Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,115	Sarah wrote: I thought they recently updated the database? Anyhow... this is hows it going to be from here on out... I hate the concept myself however thats just how everything seems to be now, give it some time WoW will jump on too and they can even triple that annual income... as if they need it heh.. anyhow... these are all cosmetic or luxury items they don't prevent you from playing so really if you aren't having fun its kinda your fault. Incorrect. See http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=488228 __________________ You must be joking. SoE? Reputable? Don't make me giggle. Ah, you went and made me giggle. There goes my sandwich.

10-12-2010, 04:19 PM	#24
Sar General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 239	Well considering this is the live forums I was talking about that in particular... The F2P model is much different and I haven't decided what I think about it... but it is suppose to be a separate game in that aspect. Perhaps I am just too use to all this drivel... been playing FarmVille on Facebook for over a year now... if anyone has a hardon for making money off of "extra content" its them... but like I said if you aren't having fun move on because this is just the way games are now... I really doubt someone can change that... its why I am certain the F2P is on its own exclusive server because really they should've been able to just change live over to F2P but I am sure that would've created much more heat.

10-12-2010, 04:21 PM	#25
Vortexelemental Server: The Bazaar Guild: Wherever the Wind May Blow Rank: Wind Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,115	Sarah wrote: Well considering this is the live forums I was talking about that in particular... The F2P model is much different and I haven't decided what I think about it... but it is suppose to be a separate game in that aspect. Made with the same development team. __________________ You must be joking. SoE? Reputable? Don't make me giggle. Ah, you went and made me giggle. There goes my sandwich.

10-12-2010, 04:22 PM	#26
psisto General Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 242	Sarah wrote: I mean its not really that shocking... with the marketplace in place, you have to just expect to be tempted in all ways... thats how they will make money... they are going to offer things we only dreamed of before... but for a price tag. I don't want to sound like bad in anyway but the sooner you get use to it the better... just give yourself a budget and you'll be fine. =) Thats one of the problems though, for me. On one hand, some of the stuff is really nice. On the other, I really hold back on buying anything cosmetic or gameplay related, simply because of two reasons: a) the prices are way too high for a little appearance armor or a mount. I bought the dark elf armor because it was really awesome, but thats the only thing i considered so far. lower price might make me buy more often for sure b) I dont know why, but SOE should please finally adopt paypal as payment method to buy station cash and subscription time. its fast and easy. whenever I want to buy SC, I have to actually do a money transfer to global collect, which takes a few days, or directly charge my bank account. paypal would be vastly preferred really.

10-12-2010, 04:30 PM	#27
Sar General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 239	We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go. I really am trying to be more helpful than saying "just deal with it, etc etc" because I've dealt with this system before and actually got burned a time or two... not with EQ in particular but with the same F2P model... they will try to come out with things people want, and those that have played for years will have that "entitlement" factor and think they just deserve it outright, well... it's prolly not going to happen... like I said if you set a monthly budget for yourself you'll be able to get things and not feel ripped off because you are saying hey, this is my "fun money" so I will spend it as I see fit. If that month you don't want anything than save your money for next month and pool it together... or just buy the SC and save it... I gave up smoking a year ago and wow thats like 120 a month I'm saving so if I spend 20 a month on eq aside the normal sub then its not a big deal... and at least its not harming my health in the same fashion. /shrug Final note, the F2P model is hard to adjust too, trust me I know... and those of us OLD timers we will even have a harder time.. because things just never use to be like this... and while it might seem like people are trying to nickel and dime us all the time its really us who have the vote... vote with your wallet and don't let ideas like this win in your life. Sadly, there at just too many folks willing to pay for these services so...they will exist... but you can at least feel proud for not going into debt over a virtual life.

10-12-2010, 04:33 PM	#28
Vortexelemental Server: The Bazaar Guild: Wherever the Wind May Blow Rank: Wind Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,115	Sarah wrote: We all spend money on "useless" crap... the item only has value if we put value into it... just consider whats important and purchase it or not... or just let it go. I really am trying to be more helpful than saying "just deal with it, etc etc" because I've dealt with this system before and actually got burned a time or two... not with EQ in particular but with the same F2P model... they will try to come out with things people want, and those that have played for years will have that "entitlement" factor and think they just deserve it outright, well... it's prolly not going to happen... like I said if you set a monthly budget for yourself you'll be able to get things and not feel ripped off because you are saying hey, this is my "fun money" so I will spend it as I see fit. If that month you don't want anything than save your money for next month and pool it together... or just buy the SC and save it... I gave up smoking a year ago and wow thats like 120 a month I'm saving so if I spend 20 a month on eq aside the normal sub then its not a big deal... and at least its not harming my health in the same fashion. /shrug Final note, the F2P model is hard to adjust too, trust me I know... and those of us OLD timers we will even have a harder time.. because things just never use to be like this... and while it might seem like people are trying to nickel and dime us all the time its really us who have the vote... vote with your wallet and don't let ideas like this win in your life. Sadly, there at just too many folks willing to pay for these services so...they will exist... but you can at least feel proud for not going into debt over a virtual life. I already voted with my wallet. I don't pay sony anymore. The issue is we are not on a F2P model, we are on a P2P2P model. Pay, to Pay to Play. That's the sony model. Besides the entire free to play model being complete and utter trash. __________________ You must be joking. SoE? Reputable? Don't make me giggle. Ah, you went and made me giggle. There goes my sandwich.

10-12-2010, 04:38 PM	#29
Lorriana Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 99	Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Database issues can more often than not be solved by Money (and/or time, but you have to pay people for that as well). This. I don't have an issue with this particular SC item. Increased item limits was a problem for whatever reason at the then current income level. If people pay more, the changes can be afforded. Simple enough.

10-13-2010, 06:38 PM	#30
Valdaglerion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,870	Let them sell them. If someone is willing to pay additionally for the item then so be it. I do find it somewhat offensive that a lot of the things people have asked for over the years are now being introduced as additional pay items. However, I want to know when I can buy multi-classing for my crafting toons so I can stop swapping between them, one toon to do it all....woohoo... (Coming to SC 2011 - Token of Multi-Tasking!)