Absolutely Appalled at Status Cost Nerf.....

[Fadedspirit]

<p>Who in their right mind thought multiplying the status cost for pvp items by literally 9-10 was a good idea? Do you not even have a proper player involved in pvp that knows anything about it? Getting the tokens was always the hardest part of getting an item. Sure, I'll admit 100kish status wasn't REALLY that hard to come by if you did writs (20k status per completed writ, including player awarded kills), but requiring MORE status than the tokens took in writs in just rediculous.</p><p>Let's run some numbers:</p><p>1 lvl 90 PvP Chest Piece = 150tokens and <strong>1,200,000</strong> status now....</p><p>     -That's 30 completed writs, or 180 players kiled, in tokens</p><p>     -That's <strong>60</strong> completed writs, or 360 players killed, in STATUS points</p><p>How <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>EXACTLY</em></span> are you justifying the fact you're going to require us to do mostly 2x as many writs JUST for the status to buy these items? Have you not even looked at what raid mobs reward you for in status? It's no where NEAR any kind of benefit. So saying you're trying to put an emphasis on "Raiding" on a pvp server means you're out of your mind.</p><p>The only conclusion I can come to is you're trying to force Nagafen to abandoned open world pvp, the <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">ENTIRE</span></em> point of playing on Nagafen, to feed your piece of crap BattleGrounds with Naggy players. WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY IN BG's, we want open world combat. So why in GOD'S name are you improving battlefields only to make us NOT want to do them?</p><p>I appologize if this has come off a tad harsh (maybe a bit more), but it's hard to be constructive when you're blindly punching in numbers for an update that's going live on the 12th of THIS month.</p><p>Anyone else have thoughts on this? Until the 12th, I'll be grinding pvp tokens hardcore in order to gear all 3 of my toons out over the next week. I won't get much sleep <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

[Aglorious]

<p>yep i agree</p>

[Fadedspirit]

<p>I mean honestly, the developers are adding in new pvp items no one will try to get in any way shape or form. They're not only UNGODLY expensive now in terms of status, but are worthless as the time vs reward will be so scewed you might as well just get to 90 and scrimp and save every single drop of status you can get for maybe 2 items. All the while you're stocking your bank up with worthless pvp tokens you can't use.</p><p>The token to status ratio is now 1:2 in terms of writ & time to achieve. There's also absolutely no reasoning behind this change as 70% of 90s on naggy have their fullsuit of lvl 90 pvp armor. So, making it infinitely harder for NEW players to nagafen to get armor while people whom are already geared ganked them constantly in pvp is an absolutely laughable situation. I'm glad I've already gotten my fullsuit of armor + jewelry + charms from pvp at 90.</p><p>You new guys are [Removed for Content] <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

[crumpledmonkey]

<p>wow you might have to stop sitting on the dock afk and pvp instead of just sitting there and getting free tokens.</p>

[Aule]

Nobody on Nagafen runs zones or raids I take it?

[TalisX1]

<p><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Nobody on Nagafen runs zones or raids I take it?</blockquote><p>Yea because raiding should SO be a requirement for obtaining PVP gear. I promise not to complain about the status cost though if BG gear has the same cost. Right now the new 90 buckler is 95 pvp tokens plus 900K status. The BG version which is identical is 105 BG tokens plus 1PP and change. I hope the prices are a typo.</p><p>Warfields are going to have a major loophole (81 and under kill the towers, 90's can't stop it) and I would not expect that to be real popular while at the same time bg gear is much cheaper to obtain. Yea this update will do wonders for open world PvP.</p><p>Silat</p><p>edit: Corrected Prices</p>

[Striikor]

<p>{bleeped}</p>

[Fadedspirit]

<p><cite>crumpledmonkey wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>wow you might have to stop sitting on the dock afk and pvp instead of just sitting there and getting free tokens.</p></blockquote><p>So, you completely skipped over the math proving how assinine their current changes are? Here, I'll hold your hand for you while we walk through it again.</p><p>1 Piece of lvl 90 pvp armor just for the tokens ALONE is 30 writs. Not so bad right?</p><p>However, the new status requirements means it will take 60 writs to get that same piece of armor because you need the status. Not to mention raiding does not get you anything near "decent" status, of which you can only get every 2 to 4 days IF you're in a hardcore raiding guild, and most people on Nagafen AREN'T.</p><p>What does this mean for you? Well, it means you'll end up with roughly x2 the amount of tokens in your bank that will go unused since you won't have the status to ever use them.</p><p>The FINAL tally for a full suit of lvl 90 pvp armor comes out to this:</p><p>7 pieces</p><p>925 tokens required</p><p>7,400,000 million status required</p><p>Total Writs Needed: 370</p><p>Total Players Killed: 2,220</p><p>Total Time Used(if completing a writ every 5minutes): 30.83hours [straight]</p><p>Now, let me ask you this. Who, other than exploiters, can complete 1 writ every 5 minutes consequtively for more than 30minutes? I don't know a single person who can on nagafen considering a WF is every 2hours. Granted sometimes a WF is so popular is forces the WF zone to roll out multiple at once, but you will be LUCKY to get an update for your writs for 2 of those WF. Each WF MAYBE giving you 3 to 4 writs complete if enough competition shows up, or if they even die. Let's also not forget that this system PUNISHES new players to nagafen as we've had a recent rush of new players since people on blue servers realized that they liked pvp from the BG's.</p><p>This change, overall, will destroy open world pvp even more so than it currentl has been by the BGs. This is NOT about Blue Vs Red here people, or Carebear vs Evilbear. It's about individual server stability.</p><p>ps: The "full set of armor" stats don't calculate the time/tokens/status required for jewelry, charms, mounts, or weapons. The statistics double, and almost tripple, after that (e.g: it almost takes the same amount for jewelry, and when you factor in weapons, shields, bows, charms.....you get the picture).</p>

[Wigg]

<p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Nobody on Nagafen runs zones or raids I take it?</blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: small;">Yea because raiding should SO be a requirement for obtaining PVP gear.</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: small;"> </span>I promise not to complain about the status cost though if BG gear has the same cost. Right now the new 90 buckler is 95 pvp tokens plus 900K status. The BG version which is identical is 105 BG tokens plus 1PP and change. I hope the prices are a typo.</p><p>Warfields are going to have a major loophole (81 and under kill the towers, 90's can't stop it) and I would not expect that to be real popular while at the same time bg gear is much cheaper to obtain. Yea this update will do wonders for open world PvP.</p><p>Silat</p><p>edit: Corrected Prices</p></blockquote><p>Just want to toss this in out there since I have been arguing with people on another thread about the pve access to the gear in low levels.  Please note the bolded section.  That right there is the argument I am told we should do.  We should have to back raid TSO zones to get gear for BGs that you purchase off a merchant, so why shouldn't you have to raid to obtain your gear also?</p>

[TalisX1]

<p><cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Nobody on Nagafen runs zones or raids I take it?</blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: small;">Yea because raiding should SO be a requirement for obtaining PVP gear.</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: small;"> </span>I promise not to complain about the status cost though if BG gear has the same cost. Right now the new 90 buckler is 95 pvp tokens plus 900K status. The BG version which is identical is 105 BG tokens plus 1PP and change. I hope the prices are a typo.</p><p>Warfields are going to have a major loophole (81 and under kill the towers, 90's can't stop it) and I would not expect that to be real popular while at the same time bg gear is much cheaper to obtain. Yea this update will do wonders for open world PvP.</p><p>Silat</p><p>edit: Corrected Prices</p></blockquote><p>Just want to toss this in out there since I have been arguing with people on another thread about the pve access to the gear in low levels.  Please note the bolded section.  That right there is the argument I am told we should do.  We should have to back raid TSO zones to get gear for BGs that you purchase off a merchant, so why shouldn't you have to raid to obtain your gear also?</p></blockquote><p>I have no idea why someone would say you should raid to get BG gear. It boggles my mind. As for the gear differences...I think BG's should have all the same gear as PvP. It is a stupid differentiation and it is just laziness on their part not wanting to copy paste the data nd then change the type of tokens required.</p><p>But this insane status cost needs to go. As it is it will finish what the change to warfields will start. They have said that BG's were not used as much as they would like so maybe driving the 2nd most active server there en masse is the ultimate goal.</p><p>Even for mains this will be ridiculous but why have the tokens be heirloom with the super high status cost? With BG gear at least you will be able to reasonably gear alts.</p><p>Silat</p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Fadedspirit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not to mention the fact we're being forced to do BG's to get equipment to even pvp. Have you seen the status cost change they put in? It's literally a 9 to 12x multiplier on status for pvp items. The lvl 90 pvp chest piece is now 1.2 MILLION status, literally double the writs required over tokens (150tokens = 30 writs, 1.2million status = 60 writs). Absolutely an idiotic idea.</p><p>Oh, and I'm not even mentioning how lvl 80 "vintage" armor requires 900k status now....that's not even worth wasting the status on when I can easily wait and save my status until I'm 90 and get maybe TWO piece of armor whilst I pour tokens into my bank going unused.</p></blockquote><p>Really?</p><p>This should not be the case.  I will look into it. </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000; font-size: large;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=487999">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=487999</a></p>

[S_M_I_T_E]

<p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>....They have said that BG's were not used as much as they would like so maybe driving the 2nd most active server <strong><em>there en masse is the ultimate goal</em></strong>...</p></blockquote><p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">This is likely.  Many blues that BG /claim Fabled and leave to PvE afterwards.  Someone needs to fill the void of population when the exp pack comes out. </span></p><p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">They really really really want people to BG and have reasons to BG since BG = less cost per effort for same subs $ per month.  To boot, PvP people probably sub longer than PvE people who exp pack + 2 months /unsub.  BG is also easier to "cover" and staff than server groups for instances, quest updates, etc.</span></p><p><em><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Unless for some reason they want PvP players to grind SF PvE writs for ~15k x 4 per round = 60K/15 min... 7.4 x 10^6 ~31 hrs.</span></em></p><p><em>Edited:  The immediately preceding post was being written at the same time as this -shows this Status nerf is not intended and this commentary is irrelevant.</em></p>

[Fadedspirit]

<p><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Fadedspirit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not to mention the fact we're being forced to do BG's to get equipment to even pvp. Have you seen the status cost change they put in? It's literally a 9 to 12x multiplier on status for pvp items. The lvl 90 pvp chest piece is now 1.2 MILLION status, literally double the writs required over tokens (150tokens = 30 writs, 1.2million status = 60 writs). Absolutely an idiotic idea.</p><p>Oh, and I'm not even mentioning how lvl 80 "vintage" armor requires 900k status now....that's not even worth wasting the status on when I can easily wait and save my status until I'm 90 and get maybe TWO piece of armor whilst I pour tokens into my bank going unused.</p></blockquote><p>Really?</p><p>This should not be the case.  I will look into it. </p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #ff0000;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=487999">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=487999</a></p></blockquote><p>Please don't miss-quote Olihin, he didn't specify if he was commenting on the status nerf or the OTHER quotes that were there in my post when he replied. He most LIKELY was responding to low levels being able to kill our bases in WF's now, and 90s not being able to defend their bases.</p><p>However, he won't clarify so we have no idea if the status nerf is intended or not.</p>

[Wigg]

<p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Nobody on Nagafen runs zones or raids I take it?</blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: small;">Yea because raiding should SO be a requirement for obtaining PVP gear.</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: small;"> </span>I promise not to complain about the status cost though if BG gear has the same cost. Right now the new 90 buckler is 95 pvp tokens plus 900K status. The BG version which is identical is 105 BG tokens plus 1PP and change. I hope the prices are a typo.</p><p>Warfields are going to have a major loophole (81 and under kill the towers, 90's can't stop it) and I would not expect that to be real popular while at the same time bg gear is much cheaper to obtain. Yea this update will do wonders for open world PvP.</p><p>Silat</p><p>edit: Corrected Prices</p></blockquote><p>Just want to toss this in out there since I have been arguing with people on another thread about the pve access to the gear in low levels.  Please note the bolded section.  That right there is the argument I am told we should do.  We should have to back raid TSO zones to get gear for BGs that you purchase off a merchant, so why shouldn't you have to raid to obtain your gear also?</p></blockquote><p>I have no idea why someone would say you should raid to get BG gear. It boggles my mind. As for the gear differences...I think BG's should have all the same gear as PvP. It is a stupid differentiation and it is just laziness on their part not wanting to copy paste the data nd then change the type of tokens required.</p><p>But this insane status cost needs to go. As it is it will finish what the change to warfields will start. They have said that BG's were not used as much as they would like so maybe driving the 2nd most active server there en masse is the ultimate goal.</p><p>Even for mains this will be ridiculous but why have the tokens be heirloom with the super high status cost? With BG gear at least you will be able to reasonably gear alts.</p><p>Silat</p></blockquote><p>Oh I completely agree Silat.  I am happy the status cost is getting fixed for ya'll so you don't have to worry about raiding to obtain gear that is for pvp.  I will continue to ask for that change for pve servers but I am pretty sure Olihin just ignores anything I type.</p>

[Fadedspirit]

<p><cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TalisX1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aule@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Nobody on Nagafen runs zones or raids I take it?</blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: small;">Yea because raiding should SO be a requirement for obtaining PVP gear.</span></em></strong><span style="font-size: small;"> </span>I promise not to complain about the status cost though if BG gear has the same cost. Right now the new 90 buckler is 95 pvp tokens plus 900K status. The BG version which is identical is 105 BG tokens plus 1PP and change. I hope the prices are a typo.</p><p>Warfields are going to have a major loophole (81 and under kill the towers, 90's can't stop it) and I would not expect that to be real popular while at the same time bg gear is much cheaper to obtain. Yea this update will do wonders for open world PvP.</p><p>Silat</p><p>edit: Corrected Prices</p></blockquote><p>Just want to toss this in out there since I have been arguing with people on another thread about the pve access to the gear in low levels.  Please note the bolded section.  That right there is the argument I am told we should do.  We should have to back raid TSO zones to get gear for BGs that you purchase off a merchant, so why shouldn't you have to raid to obtain your gear also?</p></blockquote><p>I have no idea why someone would say you should raid to get BG gear. It boggles my mind. As for the gear differences...I think BG's should have all the same gear as PvP. It is a stupid differentiation and it is just laziness on their part not wanting to copy paste the data nd then change the type of tokens required.</p><p>But this insane status cost needs to go. As it is it will finish what the change to warfields will start. They have said that BG's were not used as much as they would like so maybe driving the 2nd most active server there en masse is the ultimate goal.</p><p>Even for mains this will be ridiculous but why have the tokens be heirloom with the super high status cost? With BG gear at least you will be able to reasonably gear alts.</p><p>Silat</p></blockquote><p>Oh I completely agree Silat.  I am happy the status cost is getting fixed for ya'll so you don't have to worry about raiding to obtain gear that is for pvp.  I will continue to ask for that change for pve servers but I am pretty sure Olihin just ignores anything I type.</p></blockquote><p>Please refer to my post before yours about the fact Olihin won't clarify if the status nerf is intentional or not.</p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">It is possible to provide In-Testing with feedback without getting too derailed - even I got sidetracked for a little while by what I thought was an immunity change before I realized it was actually a bug.</span></p>

[Olihin]

<p>The status being that high is NOT intentional. </p><p>It might have just been an extra zero added on accident.</p><p>Thank you for calmly reporting the issue to me.</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #ff0000;">Olihin</span></p>

[Fadedspirit]

<p><cite>Olihin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The status being that high is NOT intentional. </p><p>It might have just been an extra zero added on accident.</p><p>Thank you for calmly reporting the issue to me.</p><p><span style="font-size: large; color: #ff0000;">Olihin</span></p></blockquote><p>I'm not entirely sure if I was calm about it <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. However, I made a specific post with screenshots on the differences. You should also look into ANY new pvp items added. I noticed the new lvl 80 pvp jewelry requires 800k or something like that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p>Refer to my other thread with screenshots in case you're wondering <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>