First Ever Mount on the Marketplace! [Archive] - Page 4

MurFalad

05-23-2010, 06:14 PM

I'm not bothered in the slightest about the mount being purchasable for station cash since we've had mounts you could buy for 2 years now at least (that I know of), those mounts being the Dire Bear free with TSO retail edition, and the Cat free with Sentinels Fate collectors edition.The only difference here is this one has stats, I can understand though why they added the stats because otherwise a lot of people wouldn't ever use it as it would be a downgrade from what they already owned. But it still breaks the rule of no power can be purchased from station cash.I think a simple solution needs to be taken here, which is either<ul><li>Remove all stats from mounts apart from run speed.</li><li>Remove all stats from mounts, and just have a universal buff to riding a mount, either make it archetype specific with STR, INT AGI etc or just give +power and physical mitigation to everyone to represent the fact they tire less easily and have the mount between them and danger.</li></ul>Then any mount can be chosen without all these tiny stats cluttering things up.

Draag

05-23-2010, 07:13 PM

Yeah, because 40% and 65% are the same /eyeroll.Since mounts are just fluff, could you please add a 90% mount to marketplace for 45$ ?I want some of that fluff.

Rhak

05-23-2010, 07:35 PM

<cite>Odys@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>Btw this new mount will have a negative impact on new players, low level free mounts like the beerfeast one are unlikely to be offered as often. Old palyers like me do not care, we can pay for a 9pp 0 status 40% mount.</blockquote>Then what are your thoughts on the 65% runspeed one all players (and all alts of said players) who purchased the CE of SF got? Is that a 'bad' mount in the same aspect as this one?

Ungodlysorrows

05-23-2010, 08:17 PM

Well... as someone who does not belong to a guild and who will probably never belong to a guild (I usually only play for a few months, then take a break and play another game or games for awhile plus I play the game to relax and just do my own thing)... I like at least having the option of getting a decent mount. It beats the basic horses that are available if you don't belong to a guild...now I just wish they would put a flying carpet mount in the marketplace. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />(For those of you who are still 'purists'... I apologize that I have embraced the dark side.)- UGS

Starley

05-23-2010, 10:15 PM

*sigh* It is clear that those of us who have stated our concerns about -any- stat items in the market place are going to be ignored. Only those who have positive feedback or graphic bugs to report get a response.I'm done with this pointless post but I will say on my way out that I truly hope this game remains Everquest and does not become EverCash.

Jakkyll

05-23-2010, 10:57 PM

Might I make a suggestion? how about instead of +5 to whatever, replacing it with a featherfall or similar effect that can in no way have any corrilation with combat or crafting?I would like some feed back on this, I have talked it over with several people and instead of stats on items we were thinking things like a mount with a scaling Safe Fall ability with a rating of PlayerLevel x 4, a carpet with featherfall, or a compas that can track(no charges, 15 min cool down was brought up, also that it would not track enemy players was reinforced) things like that would not break the game, and would not impair any class or profession.yes, I did spear head that little think tank session, but the only suggestion I had made was that cats landing "on their feet" would be a great reason for a cat mount to have safe fall. but I ramble . . .well, just wanted some feedback, and to see what you guys think about these suggestions.

Sigtyr

05-24-2010, 07:51 AM

<cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote>I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......</blockquote>Low level people are buying all sorts of things in the public channels on Nagafen all the time I am certain that not all of them have earned that plat the regular way, most hopefully but not all.On a different note the future of the MMO market is in the casuals that is where the growth is and casuals expect to have the things that are valued in game as T3, mytichals and so on, now you may not like it but that is where this market is heading.Personally I am 100% pro cash shops with items useful in game, I would like a subscription plan that is lower priced but maxes the amount of hours you can play in a month to balance the extra cash I may need to spend on items.Have people totally missed the posts by casuals complaining that a lot of the game is unreachable for them? I would dare a guess that SOEs internal surveys and feedback shows that the casuals are the big customer group, all their actions point to that.

Thunderthyze

05-24-2010, 08:27 AM

<cite>Sigtyr@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Have people totally missed the posts by casuals complaining that a lot of the game is unreachable for them? I would dare a guess that SOEs internal surveys and feedback shows that the casuals are the big customer group, all their actions point to that. </blockquote>The whole point of a level based MMO is to progress in such a fashion as to improve your character. Back in the day folk used to hang around QH and EFP showing off their uber lewts, saying "look at me! I've done this insanely long questline and got this uber weapon!! I R UBAH". Even by the time myths were introduced you were still driven to complete the quests in order that you had at least the epic version so that you could be considered a serious player and not just some guy who logs on once a week to solo some green mobs.Things are now progressing to the point where there is becoming little point in trying to improve yourself as sooner or later you can buy an item, or at least some facsimile of it, on SC. I'm quite prepared to accept that casuals inhabit the game but so do serious players and it is they you are disenfranchising when you introduce this stuff on SC. No longer can they be distinguished by their possessions. Unfair to casuals? If they're that casual then why on earth would they be interested in getting gear that is of little use to them?Serious players are being driven away from this game as they are having their "edge", granted to them by dint of their superior gameplay, eroded by SOE offering similar stuff to those who are prepared to pay cash for it. Really, little difference between this issue and plat selling IMO.

Sigtyr

05-24-2010, 10:03 AM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Things are now progressing to the point where there is becoming little point in trying to improve yourself as sooner or later you can buy an item, or at least some facsimile of it, on SC. I'm quite prepared to accept that casuals inhabit the game but so do serious players and it is they you are disenfranchising when you introduce this stuff on SC. No longer can they be distinguished by their possessions. Unfair to casuals? If they're that casual then why on earth would they be interested in getting gear that is of little use to them?</blockquote>Your argument was quite valid before TSO and the rampant selling of raid drops and mythicals on most servers.

KerowynnKaotic

05-24-2010, 10:26 AM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>*snipped* scroll upSerious players are being driven away from this game as they are having their "edge", granted to them by dint of their superior gameplay, eroded by SOE offering similar stuff to those who are prepared to pay cash for it. Really, little difference between this issue and plat selling IMO.</blockquote>For crying out loud! Again, we have specious arguments that have very little to do with the issue. There is no 'edge' besides the ONE item with (5) +5 stat to the SC stuff and that 'edge' is pretty negligible at best, except maybe in T1-2. SOE is not (yet) selling full Myths on the Market nor are they selling Shard Armor V.5! They are selling Fluff! Visual Cotton Candy, if you will! "Serious Players" can still show off their uber ARMOR and still be badass to the rest of us non-'serious' folk. All we can do is purchase a few different Visual clothes and whatnot to - LOOK- like we are less than a brown & grey mess! We still have our crappy non-uber Armor & gear, which is the true measure of a player in game! The 60% runspeed isn't that big of a deal, either. There are lots of Mounts in game that have similar or better Stats & runspeed. Heck, I don't have a mount & I run 77.5 runspeed due to AAs + Solstice earring and I'm about as far from Uber as you can get without being a total Newb.Please ... Just Say NO! ... to Stats in the Marketplace! It's all we have to say. If we had 51 pages of people simply saying that instead of all the kibitzing, SOE would actually have to take note. At best, right now, everything is getting lost in translation and they have little reason to stop putting them in bit by bit.

Katz

05-24-2010, 10:57 AM

The reason people get so bent out of shape and tend to seem to react out of proportion to the situation is that they don't KNOW for a fact what the future holds. It's the same here as with removing the isles.Removal of isles ----> fear that content will be removed bit by bit until you end up loosing much of what you enjoy doing.One little inconsequental stat on a mount in stationcash -----> fear that more stats on more things will be added, bit by bit until it means, more real cash spent = the best gear, equipment, etc. Until the developers address these very real fears head on and honestly, people who care about the loss of content and what is buyable on stationcash will react like this.If in fact, this is the way that stationcash is headed, and the game is going to be changed to a microtransaction game, just go ahead and tell people now so that those that are strongly opposed to it, know its a lost cause and move on. Thus saving everyone a lot of grief and wasted time fighting for a lost cause.If that is not the intended direction, then you have a tough job convincing folks that their fear is needless. Until they feel that they can trust what you say, things will be a turmoil everytime something like this comes up.

Tuatha

05-24-2010, 11:38 AM

Dear SOE,while I have enjoyed your game very much and met some wonderful people while playing it, I really don't like you anymore and I will never purchase another SOE game again. I realize it is futile to imagine that you would care about this fact, and the reasons why I don't like you anymore, but I'm going to try to explain myself anyway, because whatever your fanboys might think, I care about this game just as much as they do. Part of the problem is this:When people complained about the addition of Station Exchange servers you promised that regular EQ2 servers would never have RMT. Then you forced LoN on us, allowing people to buy booster packs with real money and trade packs and items for ingame plat. What was that, if not RMT? On regular servers?When people complained about Station Cash and introducing microtransactions for a subscription game, you promised that the only items available would be fluff items (...as if fluff stuff somehow isn't important to the people who play this game...I would very much prefer to get those fluff items by actually playing the game I pay my monthly subscriptions for). Then you go and add stuff that gives players more xp, stuff that refills their vitality, summoning charms and now a level 1 mount with stats and a runspeed that is faster than anything a low level character has access to.Your so called "fluff" mount which can be purchased with the click of a button by people who have money to waste, is only 3% slower than the statless mount I spent ages harvesting and grinding tinkering for, and it sure is a lot faster than the status mount I spent ages grinding heritages and writs and guild levels and slowly gathering plat for. A fluff mount would be the crusader funspell mount, which is statless and gives a 10% runspeed buff. 65% runspeed and stats is not fluff.

Anestacia

05-24-2010, 11:42 AM

<cite>Katz wrote:</cite><blockquote>The reason people get so bent out of shape and tend to seem to react out of proportion to the situation is that they don't KNOW for a fact what the future holds. It's the same here as with removing the isles.Removal of isles ----> fear that content will be removed bit by bit until you end up loosing much of what you enjoy doing.One little inconsequental stat on a mount in stationcash -----> fear that more stats on more things will be added, bit by bit until it means, more real cash spent = the best gear, equipment, etc. Until the developers address these very real fears head on and honestly, people who care about the loss of content and what is buyable on stationcash will react like this.If in fact, this is the way that stationcash is headed, and the game is going to be changed to a microtransaction game, just go ahead and tell people now so that those that are strongly opposed to it, know its a lost cause and move on. Thus saving everyone a lot of grief and wasted time fighting for a lost cause.If that is not the intended direction, then you have a tough job convincing folks that their fear is needless. Until they feel that they can trust what you say, things will be a turmoil everytime something like this comes up.</blockquote>We never know what the future will hold...about anything in this world. The problem we have in this thread is that theres only ONE answer that is going to apease the naysayers; Take the mounts off the marketplace. Since that is not going to happen, why should they waste their time?The simple fact is that most people don't care one way or another. Some of you do and thats wonderful but the majority of people will decide if the look is worth $25 dollars to them and then either buy it or not and continue about their day. This isn't breaking the game; it's only making it stronger. The few that would actually quit over this are more than likely just looking for an excuse to quit anyway and I say to those people, good luck finding an MMO that doesn't utilize microtransactions to some extent. If you find one, don't get too comfortable b/c they will probably jump on the band wagon soon or stay stagnant and die out.

Sambone

05-24-2010, 12:21 PM

Personally I think it's hilarious that there's such a debate on this. It's a pretty trivial thing imo. The mounts aren't that good. The stats are practically useless. The tso shard mount is still better. I'd think it foolish to buy one of these mount.And $25? ROFL!! That's outrageous. Personally if I see someone on one of these mounts it will be a red flag to stay...far away! Bad enough to buy a terrible mount over better ones out there, but to spend RL money to do it is even worse. Sure some people might have some bonus points they used and didn't actually spend money, but it's still a waste.I've never liked SC, but that's me. Buying items for an MMO game with RL money destroys what an MMO is about. You earn what your characters have through playing the game not how much money you can throw at the company that runs it.Honestly though I could care less for the most part what happens with this mount and station cash. I haven't seen any game breaking items on there and this sure is NOT one. I'm just disgusted that there's a mount on SC when it should be on a mount vendor in-game or otherwise looted somewhere....IN-GAME!! <a href="mailto:LOL@SoE">LOL@SoE</a>. On this topic...complete fail.**on another note----Oasis is running much better after a LONG overdue upgrade. True thanks for that...

Sar

05-24-2010, 12:43 PM

Keep it up, all of you out there that must have these will probably end up paying for the game and thus I won't have to anymore! =)I see this game going free to play with mass amounts of "I must have this" items on the marketplace... I don't want to see that happen... but its the way of the games these days. They can make 100 times more money on selling items on the marketplace and bring in people with free subscription rather than charging us all 15 a month. A shame.Nice mount, kinda ugly imo and I won't be buying one just on principle. I got hooked into that buying stuff in another game and I was shelling out over 80 a week just to keep up with what I thought I wanted... I came to find out that was stupid with a capital S... even if I could/can afford it.

Anizlino5

05-24-2010, 12:56 PM

<cite>Sambone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally I think it's hilarious that there's such a debate on this. It's a pretty trivial thing imo. The mounts aren't that good. The stats are practically useless. The tso shard mount is still better. I'd think it foolish to buy one of these mount.And $25? ROFL!! That's outrageous. Personally if I see someone on one of these mounts it will be a red flag to stay...far away! Bad enough to buy a terrible mount over better ones out there, but to spend RL money to do it is even worse. Sure some people might have some bonus points they used and didn't actually spend money, but it's still a waste.I've never liked SC, but that's me. Buying items for an MMO game with RL money destroys what an MMO is about. You earn what your characters have through playing the game not how much money you can throw at the company that runs it.Honestly though I could care less for the most part what happens with this mount and station cash. I haven't seen any game breaking items on there and this sure is NOT one. I'm just disgusted that there's a mount on SC when it should be on a mount vendor in-game or otherwise looted somewhere....IN-GAME!! <a href="mailto:LOL@SoE">LOL@SoE</a>. On this topic...complete fail.**on another note----Oasis is running much better after a LONG overdue upgrade. True thanks for that...</blockquote>The debate is fairly pointless to be sure. I agree with a previous poster, that unless you are part of the brown nose brigade, or have something good to say about this joke of an item, it will be ignored. (as will any topic, this one or not)Many of us laugh at the 25.00 price, but lets face it, Sony has realized that they can do a LOT LESS actual work and get paid a LOT more for it. Who can blame them for choosing to cater to the lazy players who "don't have the time" to actually play the game and EARN items.Covic was kind enough to say "We still do just as much work for in game items that are not part of station cash or LON. This is just another way for players to get cool items that dont raid or have the plat to get stuff in game." - I believe you are a LIAR. Lets just take a short look at the SC mount selling, compared to the mounts you can buy from the vendors for guild status. Oh thats right, the SC mount has 5% greater run speed and actual stats, whereas the GUILD STATUS in game "working just as hard" item is 60% run speed and 200 hp /power. The graphc for the guild stats ones, a BLAND and BORING, ZERO effort mount with crappy graphics for people who earn their stuff, and a nice shimmering, graphically pleasing mount for people willing to pay you more money. It doesn't matter that the mounts are getting "upgraded" tomorrow, if anything it was a planned way to get people to pay for a mount that didn't look like like crap.So yes, again, thank you EQ2 Development team, keep up the "great work" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

Thunderthyze

05-24-2010, 01:09 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>For crying out loud! Again, we have specious arguments that have very little to do with the issue. There is no 'edge' besides the ONE item with (5) +5 stat to the SC stuff and that 'edge' is pretty negligible at best, except maybe in T1-2. SOE is not (yet) selling full Myths on the Market nor are they selling Shard Armor V.5! They are selling Fluff! Visual Cotton Candy, if you will! </blockquote>Uh huh. When LoN was introduced we were assured this was not the beginning of microtransactions. Then you were able to buy booster packs. Now don't try telling me that all the packs bought were in order to play LoN? I don't know one player that plays it. No. It's for the chance of getting loot cards.Then....$tation Ca$h.We were once again assured that nothing would ever be offered for sale that would affect gameplay. OK, first potions, then far nicer furniture than anything a carpenter could make. Far nicer armour sets than an armourer/tailor could make. Then we were offered instance zones only accessible via a SC item. Now nice looking mounts with small amounts of stats on them.Let me ask you, why do you think the stat bonuses on the mounts are so small? I agree they are so small as to be pointless. So why are they there at all? Why not produce them with no stats? Maybe because as time goes on the stats offered on items will grow and SOE hope we won't notice because the precedent has already been set?People say that a game has to evolve and a promise made two years ago can't be binding. In the cycle of game design two years really isn't that long. Are you seriously asking me to believe SOE didn't have the intention of ramping up the desirability of SC items from the start? You're pretty naive if you really believe that.Greed is an ugly attribute and just now SOE are looking pretty ugly to me.

KerowynnKaotic

05-24-2010, 02:14 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>For crying out loud! Again, we have specious arguments that have very little to do with the issue. There is no 'edge' besides the ONE item with (5) +5 stat to the SC stuff and that 'edge' is pretty negligible at best, except maybe in T1-2. SOE is not (yet) selling full Myths on the Market nor are they selling Shard Armor V.5! They are selling Fluff! Visual Cotton Candy, if you will! </blockquote>*snipped for space*Then....$tation Ca$h.*snipped for space*</blockquote>I know! ...<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*snipped*Please ... Just Say NO! ... to Stats in the Marketplace! It's all we have to say. If we had 51 pages of people simply saying that instead of all the kibitzing, SOE would actually have to take note. At best, right now, everything is getting lost in translation and they have little reason to stop putting them in bit by bit.</blockquote>

Ciara52

05-24-2010, 02:44 PM

<cite>Azett@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>Many of us laugh at the 25.00 price, but lets face it, Sony has realized that they can do a LOT LESS actual work and get paid a LOT more for it. Who can blame them for choosing to cater to the lazy players who "don't have the time" to actually play the game and EARN items.</blockquote>On a personal note I very much resent your assumption. I DO play the game and I DO earn items. I wanted the cat for my baby SK and guess what? She already has a horse from the stable seller, and also a Unicorn from the Magic Rings.I bought it because I wanted to not because I am lazy.

Frul

05-24-2010, 02:58 PM

<cite>Ciara52 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Azett@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>Many of us laugh at the 25.00 price, but lets face it, Sony has realized that they can do a LOT LESS actual work and get paid a LOT more for it. Who can blame them for choosing to cater to the lazy players who "don't have the time" to actually play the game and EARN items.</blockquote>On a personal note I very much resent your assumption. I DO play the game and I DO earn items. I wanted the cat for my baby SK and guess what? She already has a horse from the stable seller, and also a Unicorn from the Magic Rings.I bought it because I wanted to not because I am lazy. </blockquote>Exactly the way I see it as well. I have 2 carpets, the Rime mount, cloud, some pack mule thing I got with crafting tokens, rhino, warg....etc, etc....But we bought two cause we liked them and thought they were neat looking. We have tons of plat between the wife and I and raid 2-3 nights a week, we are neither lazy or without resources. We just simply liked the mounts.

Anizlino5

05-24-2010, 03:01 PM

<cite>Ciara52 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Azett@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>Many of us laugh at the 25.00 price, but lets face it, Sony has realized that they can do a LOT LESS actual work and get paid a LOT more for it. Who can blame them for choosing to cater to the lazy players who "don't have the time" to actually play the game and EARN items.</blockquote>On a personal note I very much resent your assumption. I DO play the game and I DO earn items. I wanted the cat for my baby SK and guess what? She already has a horse from the stable seller, and also a Unicorn from the Magic Rings.I bought it because I wanted to not because I am lazy. </blockquote><shrug> thats your problem for taking it personally, perhaps you should sit back and realize not every post here is about YOU personally, k, thxThe facts remain the same. The new SC mount is both better stats (currently) and faster run speed than the Level 90 guild mounts. If you want to be so naive to actually think this was un-intended, and not a way to sell you the new SC mounts which just happen to be both faster, and better looking than the LEVEL 90 guild mounts, well, hey, go right ahead and delude yourselves.The items are slowly becoming less and less "fluff" as people like to call it, and more and more visually better, and now starting in with small stats, whats next? I know, instead of making the fabled items from heroic instances 220 marks of manaar they will go on the SC marketplace for 30.00 each, "its already there" it will just be for those people who "don't have the plat or time" to play the game.You can laugh away at that above statement, but its coming.

Dareena

05-24-2010, 03:09 PM

I just can't believe that this thread is still alive and kicking. One side is still raging over SOE daring to sell a mount via SC, especially when it has the all power +5 stats on it. (Yes, I understand that many people are objecting over the principle of the matter and not the actual game strength.) Then the other side couldn't give a flying flip about SOE selling a LoN grade mount via SC, especially considering it's only $25 and not the usually $200 - $300 that LoN mounts normally sell for online.We're never going to see eye to eye on this matter. If it really sets people off that a LoN mount is being sold via SC, then I'm sorry you feel that way. But SOE has already been doing this for a while now. The only real change is that they're starting to sell their Loot cards for a flat price instead of forcing people to buy countless packs while playing the RNG system.Back during the whole LoN special instance fiasco in TSO, I remember players like Atan asking for SOE to provide players a way to purchase Loot cards directly so that they could bypass the RNG system. It seems that some people had a vague interest in the LoN loots, but didn't want to spend a fortune to buy a single knick knack. At the time, I don't remember hearing any major objections to that concept. Yet now when SOE does exactly what some people proposed during that time period, people are suddenly all up in arms about the subject. I have to admit that this confuses me.

Fyranaer

05-24-2010, 03:35 PM

I'm still hoping future mount offers make the mount an account "1 per character" item. It's not just that $25 is a lot to dedicate to one character, but different mount colors and stats fit different characters I have. My primary character, right now, is my warden, but I do have a swashbuckler, warlock, and monk. It would be nice to choose a mount based on the appearance and stats that most benefit each character. I do appreciate you making the existing mounts heirloom, but that does work very well across the account. Items that add functionality and fun to the whole game are a lot more attractive to me than items that just make one character more fun.Also, as someone said above, I hope you will add some carpets.

Gungo

05-24-2010, 03:58 PM

I still dont see how this is any different then LON mounts. Although i do agree LON nor SC should have any stats on them. (The heroic zone/quest/item from LON was the biggest bs)The complaints in this thread is pointless. The stats and these mounts (not graphic) have been in game through RMT in game for over 3 years already.

xochipi

05-24-2010, 04:03 PM

funnyagain posts were deleted... containing no offense not even bypass in the filter....censorship s gettin hard around ......

Jazzia

05-24-2010, 05:01 PM

<cite>xochipili wrote:</cite><blockquote>funnyagain posts were deleted... containing no offense not even bypass in the filter....censorship s gettin hard around ......</blockquote>Well, 2nd try for me. Thank god (whoops, sry ...... goodness), that I still had that page in cache:OK, I haven't read all the 52 pages so far, so it might've been raised already. So forgive me, if it has.This is major (you know what it is, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what it is) ! No, it's more than that ! As you can see, I'm playing on PvP and it looks to me, like SOE has AGAIN forgotten, that there is such a server.I mean, what can I expect from now on ? Lvl 10s running around with 65% runspeed ? Yeah, and how am I supposed to get them (or get away from them) when I'm refusing to pay RL money for that crap ? Not at all ! And don't come up with roots or snares. I'm talking about when they are farther away. There is NO freaking way to do anything about it. Even if I somehow manage to get all the 800k status for the disc at lvl 10, I'm still (you know what I am, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what I am), because that great new mount runs at 65%. Until about lvl 70, this is the best mount there is (until you can start grinding Rime faction).AND THIS IS GAME BREAKING !!!I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......Guess, I'll wait and see how it turns out .........To whoever deleted my first reply : I'd appreciate an information, what exactly were the words, that were wrong. I was under the impression, that I was using common language !

Starley

05-24-2010, 05:10 PM

<cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xochipili wrote:</cite><blockquote>funnyagain posts were deleted... containing no offense not even bypass in the filter....censorship s gettin hard around ......</blockquote>Well, 2nd try for me. Thank god (whoops, sry ...... goodness), that I still had that page in cache:OK, I haven't read all the 52 pages so far, so it might've been raised already. So forgive me, if it has.This is major (you know what it is, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what it is) ! No, it's more than that ! As you can see, I'm playing on PvP and it looks to me, like SOE has AGAIN forgotten, that there is such a server.I mean, what can I expect from now on ? Lvl 10s running around with 65% runspeed ? Yeah, and how am I supposed to get them (or get away from them) when I'm refusing to pay RL money for that crap ? Not at all ! And don't come up with roots or snares. I'm talking about when they are farther away. There is NO freaking way to do anything about it. Even if I somehow manage to get all the 800k status for the disc at lvl 10, I'm still (you know what I am, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what I am), because that great new mount runs at 65%. Until about lvl 70, this is the best mount there is (until you can start grinding Rime faction).AND THIS IS GAME BREAKING !!!I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......Guess, I'll wait and see how it turns out .........To whoever deleted my first reply : I'd appreciate an information, what exactly were the words, that were wrong. I was under the impression, that I was using common language !</blockquote>Yeah, I said I was done with this.. but you know what? I care too much about the future of this game to just be rolled over. I want SOE to reply to US - the people who are making excellent points as to why this mount is a BAD idea. Please don't just reply to those who have positive things to say. We will NOT forget, we will NOT give up and go quietly into the night! We're here until you address our very valid issues with this mount.1. It DOES impact even game play between those who pay and those who PLAY.2. IS this just the begining? How many more stat items will be placed on the market place? Where is the line drawn?3. Is this the direction the game is going in?We would like answers, because reguardless of our opinions on your latest sales tactics, we -do- still pay to play this game, thus, we too are your customers.

Fyranaer

05-24-2010, 05:40 PM

<cite>Starley@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xochipili wrote:</cite><blockquote>funnyagain posts were deleted... containing no offense not even bypass in the filter....censorship s gettin hard around ......</blockquote>Well, 2nd try for me. Thank god (whoops, sry ...... goodness), that I still had that page in cache:OK, I haven't read all the 52 pages so far, so it might've been raised already. So forgive me, if it has.This is major (you know what it is, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what it is) ! No, it's more than that ! As you can see, I'm playing on PvP and it looks to me, like SOE has AGAIN forgotten, that there is such a server.I mean, what can I expect from now on ? Lvl 10s running around with 65% runspeed ? Yeah, and how am I supposed to get them (or get away from them) when I'm refusing to pay RL money for that crap ? Not at all ! And don't come up with roots or snares. I'm talking about when they are farther away. There is NO freaking way to do anything about it. Even if I somehow manage to get all the 800k status for the disc at lvl 10, I'm still (you know what I am, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what I am), because that great new mount runs at 65%. Until about lvl 70, this is the best mount there is (until you can start grinding Rime faction).AND THIS IS GAME BREAKING !!!I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......Guess, I'll wait and see how it turns out .........To whoever deleted my first reply : I'd appreciate an information, what exactly were the words, that were wrong. I was under the impression, that I was using common language !</blockquote>Yeah, I said I was done with this.. but you know what? I care too much about the future of this game to just be rolled over. I want SOE to reply to US - the people who are making excellent points as to why this mount is a BAD idea. Please don't just reply to those who have positive things to say. We will NOT forget, we will NOT give up and go quietly into the night! We're here until you address our very valid issues with this mount.1. It DOES impact even game play between those who pay and those who PLAY.2. IS this just the begining? How many more stat items will be placed on the market place? Where is the line drawn?3. Is this the direction the game is going in?We would like answers, because reguardless of our opinions on your latest sales tactics, we -do- still pay to play this game, thus, we too are your customers.</blockquote>How do items in the marketplace make the game less fun for you again? I don't want to hear how you don't like it because of some imaginary self-conceived morality about how gaming is supposed to work. I don't want to hear how I'm supposed to play the game your way. I want to hear why this will make the game less fun. I know it could make the game more fun for me. Now I want to know why I'm not supposed to do that other than because you say so. I want to know why I shouldn't be able to buy mounts just because you don't want to.If pvp needs a balance adjustment it can see that separately just like all gear and skills have their pvp versions. Isn't one of the pvp servers an exchange server? That would make the whole don't buy gear thing the odd argument out. Personally I think if someone in pvp wants to wear a huge glowing "here I am" affect it would make it easier to gank, but that's just me being an opportunist. I don't roll on a pvp server in this game so I wouldn't really know how that works.

Kiara

05-24-2010, 05:41 PM

<cite>xochipili wrote:</cite><blockquote>funnyagain posts were deleted... containing no offense not even bypass in the filter....censorship s gettin hard around ......</blockquote>You are incorrect. An offending post was removed and dealt with accordingly. Your response to that was removed because you quoted the offending material.Enforcing the rules is not censorship and you will find that your posts don't go missing if you don't break the rules.Furthermore, for your edification, any questions or concerns you have about moderation can be directed to me via PM. We don't discuss moderation in the open forums.I will let this stand with my explanation so that everyone can see that your accusation is incorrect and that they are all welcome to ask me if they are confused about why a post may have been removed.Thank you.

Kiara

05-24-2010, 05:44 PM

<cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote>To whoever deleted my first reply : I'd appreciate an information, what exactly were the words, that were wrong. I was under the impression, that I was using common language !</blockquote>Check your private messages please and please review the forum posting guidelines. If you have any questions or are unclear about how the rules apply, please feel free to message myself or any of our moderators and we can assist you.Further questions or references to moderated posts need to be addressed correctly, via PM.Thank you.

Skull_Splitter

05-24-2010, 06:16 PM

Blizzard made like $2 million usd in their first 4 hours, how'd SOE do ? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Chock

05-24-2010, 06:29 PM

The mounts on marketplace are interesting but not for me. I would, however, pay $25 to have an "mount appearance slot". Keep the stats on one mount while using the appearance of one of a half dozen other mounts that I have in my inventory and do like.

Starley

05-24-2010, 07:00 PM

<cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Starley@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xochipili wrote:</cite><blockquote>funnyagain posts were deleted... containing no offense not even bypass in the filter....censorship s gettin hard around ......</blockquote>Well, 2nd try for me. Thank god (whoops, sry ...... goodness), that I still had that page in cache:OK, I haven't read all the 52 pages so far, so it might've been raised already. So forgive me, if it has.This is major (you know what it is, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what it is) ! No, it's more than that ! As you can see, I'm playing on PvP and it looks to me, like SOE has AGAIN forgotten, that there is such a server.I mean, what can I expect from now on ? Lvl 10s running around with 65% runspeed ? Yeah, and how am I supposed to get them (or get away from them) when I'm refusing to pay RL money for that crap ? Not at all ! And don't come up with roots or snares. I'm talking about when they are farther away. There is NO freaking way to do anything about it. Even if I somehow manage to get all the 800k status for the disc at lvl 10, I'm still (you know what I am, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what I am), because that great new mount runs at 65%. Until about lvl 70, this is the best mount there is (until you can start grinding Rime faction).AND THIS IS GAME BREAKING !!!I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......Guess, I'll wait and see how it turns out .........To whoever deleted my first reply : I'd appreciate an information, what exactly were the words, that were wrong. I was under the impression, that I was using common language !</blockquote>Yeah, I said I was done with this.. but you know what? I care too much about the future of this game to just be rolled over. I want SOE to reply to US - the people who are making excellent points as to why this mount is a BAD idea. Please don't just reply to those who have positive things to say. We will NOT forget, we will NOT give up and go quietly into the night! We're here until you address our very valid issues with this mount.1. It DOES impact even game play between those who pay and those who PLAY.2. IS this just the begining? How many more stat items will be placed on the market place? Where is the line drawn?3. Is this the direction the game is going in?We would like answers, because reguardless of our opinions on your latest sales tactics, we -do- still pay to play this game, thus, we too are your customers.</blockquote>How do items in the marketplace make the game less fun for you again? I don't want to hear how you don't like it because of some imaginary self-conceived morality about how gaming is supposed to work. I don't want to hear how I'm supposed to play the game your way. I want to hear why this will make the game less fun. I know it could make the game more fun for me. Now I want to know why I'm not supposed to do that other than because you say so. I want to know why I shouldn't be able to buy mounts just because you don't want to.If pvp needs a balance adjustment it can see that separately just like all gear and skills have their pvp versions. Isn't one of the pvp servers an exchange server? That would make the whole don't buy gear thing the odd argument out. Personally I think if someone in pvp wants to wear a huge glowing "here I am" affect it would make it easier to gank, but that's just me being an opportunist. I don't roll on a pvp server in this game so I wouldn't really know how that works.</blockquote>Seriously, you quote all of that and still ask how it makes the game less fun for those who are against it? SERIOUSLY?wow..

Starley

05-24-2010, 07:23 PM

I apologize in advance that I do not know how to insert multiple direct quotes from various replies, so I've done this best I could here.Diknak writes: "I am against this mount. SmokeJumper has the attitude that because a comperable item is already in the game and obtainable, it is OK to have it on station cash as well. That is flawed logic because you can justify adding items that are obtainable through raiding with that same argument. I am OK with fluff items being there, but when you go beyond the fluff, that is when it becomes to be a little excessive. I would be fine with the run speed, but there should simply be no stats on any station cash items."Starley writes: "Not one time in this entire thread ( that I've seen) did a dev take the time to address the fact that stats were put on this item when it was stated in the past that they would not be. Not one time in this entire thread ( again, that I've read, and I've read it ALL) did -any- SOE employee (dev, community relations, anyone?) state any form of denial that there would indeed be stats on items in the marketplace in the future. either. But let's be honest, based on the history of them saying things will -never- happen and then they do, who would believe it."Holymoly writes:"The whole point of a level based MMO is to progress in such a fashion as to improve your character. Back in the day folk used to hang around QH and EFP showing off their uber lewts, saying "look at me! I've done this insanely long questline and got this uber weapon!! I R UBAH". Even by the time myths were introduced you were still driven to complete the quests in order that you had at least the epic version so that you could be considered a serious player and not just some guy who logs on once a week to solo some green mobs.Things are now progressing to the point where there is becoming little point in trying to improve yourself as sooner or later you can buy an item, or at least some facsimile of it, on SC. I'm quite prepared to accept that casuals inhabit the game but so do serious players and it is they you are disenfranchising when you introduce this stuff on SC. No longer can they be distinguished by their possessions. Unfair to casuals? If they're that casual then why on earth would they be interested in getting gear that is of little use to them?Serious players are being driven away from this game as they are having their "edge", granted to them by dint of their superior gameplay, eroded by SOE offering similar stuff to those who are prepared to pay cash for it. Really, little difference between this issue and plat selling IMO."Kaisha writes:"Please ... Just Say NO! ... to Stats in the Marketplace! It's all we have to say. If we had 51 pages of people simply saying that instead of all the kibitzing, SOE would actually have to take note. At best, right now, everything is getting lost in translation and they have little reason to stop putting them in bit by bit."Katz writes:"The reason people get so bent out of shape and tend to seem to react out of proportion to the situation is that they don't KNOW for a fact what the future holds. It's the same here as with removing the isles.Removal of isles ----> fear that content will be removed bit by bit until you end up loosing much of what you enjoy doing.One little inconsequental stat on a mount in stationcash -----> fear that more stats on more things will be added, bit by bit until it means, more real cash spent = the best gear, equipment, etc. Until the developers address these very real fears head on and honestly, people who care about the loss of content and what is buyable on stationcash will react like this.If in fact, this is the way that stationcash is headed, and the game is going to be changed to a microtransaction game, just go ahead and tell people now so that those that are strongly opposed to it, know its a lost cause and move on. Thus saving everyone a lot of grief and wasted time fighting for a lost cause.If that is not the intended direction, then you have a tough job convincing folks that their fear is needless. Until they feel that they can trust what you say, things will be a turmoil everytime something like this comes up."Tuatha writes:"Dear SOE,while I have enjoyed your game very much and met some wonderful people while playing it, I really don't like you anymore and I will never purchase another SOE game again. I realize it is futile to imagine that you would care about this fact, and the reasons why I don't like you anymore, but I'm going to try to explain myself anyway, because whatever your fanboys might think, I care about this game just as much as they do. Part of the problem is this:When people complained about the addition of Station Exchange servers you promised that regular EQ2 servers would never have RMT. Then you forced LoN on us, allowing people to buy booster packs with real money and trade packs and items for ingame plat. What was that, if not RMT? On regular servers?When people complained about Station Cash and introducing microtransactions for a subscription game, you promised that the only items available would be fluff items (...as if fluff stuff somehow isn't important to the people who play this game...I would very much prefer to get those fluff items by actually playing the game I pay my monthly subscriptions for). Then you go and add stuff that gives players more xp, stuff that refills their vitality, summoning charms and now a level 1 mount with stats and a runspeed that is faster than anything a low level character has access to.Your so called "fluff" mount which can be purchased with the click of a button by people who have money to waste, is only 3% slower than the statless mount I spent ages harvesting and grinding tinkering for, and it sure is a lot faster than the status mount I spent ages grinding heritages and writs and guild levels and slowly gathering plat for. A fluff mount would be the crusader funspell mount, which is statless and gives a 10% runspeed buff. 65% runspeed and stats is not fluff."Sambone writes:I've never liked SC, but that's me. Buying items for an MMO game with RL money destroys what an MMO is about. You earn what your characters have through playing the game not how much money you can throw at the company that runs it.Sarah writes:"I see this game going free to play with mass amounts of "I must have this" items on the marketplace... I don't want to see that happen... but its the way of the games these days. They can make 100 times more money on selling items on the marketplace and bring in people with free subscription rather than charging us all 15 a month. A shame."Kallinia writes:"This is major (you know what it is, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what it is) ! No, it's more than that ! As you can see, I'm playing on PvP and it looks to me, like SOE has AGAIN forgotten, that there is such a server.I mean, what can I expect from now on ? Lvl 10s running around with 65% runspeed ? Yeah, and how am I supposed to get them (or get away from them) when I'm refusing to pay RL money for that crap ? Not at all ! And don't come up with roots or snares. I'm talking about when they are farther away. There is NO freaking way to do anything about it. Even if I somehow manage to get all the 800k status for the disc at lvl 10, I'm still (you know what I am, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what I am), because that great new mount runs at 65%. Until about lvl 70, this is the best mount there is (until you can start grinding Rime faction). AND THIS IS GAME BREAKING !!! I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......"Starley writes:"Yeah, I said I was done with this.. but you know what? I care too much about the future of this game to just be rolled over. I want SOE to reply to US - the people who are making excellent points as to why this mount is a BAD idea. Please don't just reply to those who have positive things to say. We will NOT forget, we will NOT give up and go quietly into the night! We're here until you address our very valid issues with this mount.1. It DOES impact even game play between those who pay and those who PLAY.2. IS this just the begining? How many more stat items will be placed on the market place? Where is the line drawn?3. Is this the direction the game is going in? We would like answers, because reguardless of our opinions on your latest sales tactics, we -do- still pay to play this game, thus, we too are your customers."__________________________________________________ ______And this is just from the last 4 pages, I could go on and on with quotes but I feel there are enough here to make the point. After all of this, After all of these concerns being placed here and a couple of people directly asking SOE for reassurance that EverQuest is not going to become EverCash.. STILL the concerns have been blatantly ignored. This is really disheartening to those of us who just want to know up front about the direction in which this game is going.

Uncaged

05-24-2010, 11:46 PM

<cite>Starley@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I apologize in advance that I do not know how to insert multiple direct quotes from various replies, so I've done this best I could here.Diknak writes: "I am against this mount. SmokeJumper has the attitude that because a comperable item is already in the game and obtainable, it is OK to have it on station cash as well. That is flawed logic because you can justify adding items that are obtainable through raiding with that same argument. I am OK with fluff items being there, but when you go beyond the fluff, that is when it becomes to be a little excessive. I would be fine with the run speed, but there should simply be no stats on any station cash items."Starley writes: "Not one time in this entire thread ( that I've seen) did a dev take the time to address the fact that stats were put on this item when it was stated in the past that they would not be. Not one time in this entire thread ( again, that I've read, and I've read it ALL) did -any- SOE employee (dev, community relations, anyone?) state any form of denial that there would indeed be stats on items in the marketplace in the future. either. But let's be honest, based on the history of them saying things will -never- happen and then they do, who would believe it."Holymoly writes:"The whole point of a level based MMO is to progress in such a fashion as to improve your character. Back in the day folk used to hang around QH and EFP showing off their uber lewts, saying "look at me! I've done this insanely long questline and got this uber weapon!! I R UBAH". Even by the time myths were introduced you were still driven to complete the quests in order that you had at least the epic version so that you could be considered a serious player and not just some guy who logs on once a week to solo some green mobs.Things are now progressing to the point where there is becoming little point in trying to improve yourself as sooner or later you can buy an item, or at least some facsimile of it, on SC. I'm quite prepared to accept that casuals inhabit the game but so do serious players and it is they you are disenfranchising when you introduce this stuff on SC. No longer can they be distinguished by their possessions. Unfair to casuals? If they're that casual then why on earth would they be interested in getting gear that is of little use to them?Serious players are being driven away from this game as they are having their "edge", granted to them by dint of their superior gameplay, eroded by SOE offering similar stuff to those who are prepared to pay cash for it. Really, little difference between this issue and plat selling IMO."Kaisha writes:"Please ... Just Say NO! ... to Stats in the Marketplace! It's all we have to say. If we had 51 pages of people simply saying that instead of all the kibitzing, SOE would actually have to take note. At best, right now, everything is getting lost in translation and they have little reason to stop putting them in bit by bit."Katz writes:"The reason people get so bent out of shape and tend to seem to react out of proportion to the situation is that they don't KNOW for a fact what the future holds. It's the same here as with removing the isles.Removal of isles ----> fear that content will be removed bit by bit until you end up loosing much of what you enjoy doing.One little inconsequental stat on a mount in stationcash -----> fear that more stats on more things will be added, bit by bit until it means, more real cash spent = the best gear, equipment, etc. Until the developers address these very real fears head on and honestly, people who care about the loss of content and what is buyable on stationcash will react like this.If in fact, this is the way that stationcash is headed, and the game is going to be changed to a microtransaction game, just go ahead and tell people now so that those that are strongly opposed to it, know its a lost cause and move on. Thus saving everyone a lot of grief and wasted time fighting for a lost cause.If that is not the intended direction, then you have a tough job convincing folks that their fear is needless. Until they feel that they can trust what you say, things will be a turmoil everytime something like this comes up."Tuatha writes:"Dear SOE,while I have enjoyed your game very much and met some wonderful people while playing it, I really don't like you anymore and I will never purchase another SOE game again. I realize it is futile to imagine that you would care about this fact, and the reasons why I don't like you anymore, but I'm going to try to explain myself anyway, because whatever your fanboys might think, I care about this game just as much as they do. Part of the problem is this:When people complained about the addition of Station Exchange servers you promised that regular EQ2 servers would never have RMT. Then you forced LoN on us, allowing people to buy booster packs with real money and trade packs and items for ingame plat. What was that, if not RMT? On regular servers?When people complained about Station Cash and introducing microtransactions for a subscription game, you promised that the only items available would be fluff items (...as if fluff stuff somehow isn't important to the people who play this game...I would very much prefer to get those fluff items by actually playing the game I pay my monthly subscriptions for). Then you go and add stuff that gives players more xp, stuff that refills their vitality, summoning charms and now a level 1 mount with stats and a runspeed that is faster than anything a low level character has access to.Your so called "fluff" mount which can be purchased with the click of a button by people who have money to waste, is only 3% slower than the statless mount I spent ages harvesting and grinding tinkering for, and it sure is a lot faster than the status mount I spent ages grinding heritages and writs and guild levels and slowly gathering plat for. A fluff mount would be the crusader funspell mount, which is statless and gives a 10% runspeed buff. 65% runspeed and stats is not fluff."Sambone writes:I've never liked SC, but that's me. Buying items for an MMO game with RL money destroys what an MMO is about. You earn what your characters have through playing the game not how much money you can throw at the company that runs it.Sarah writes:"I see this game going free to play with mass amounts of "I must have this" items on the marketplace... I don't want to see that happen... but its the way of the games these days. They can make 100 times more money on selling items on the marketplace and bring in people with free subscription rather than charging us all 15 a month. A shame."Kallinia writes:"This is major (you know what it is, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what it is) ! No, it's more than that ! As you can see, I'm playing on PvP and it looks to me, like SOE has AGAIN forgotten, that there is such a server.I mean, what can I expect from now on ? Lvl 10s running around with 65% runspeed ? Yeah, and how am I supposed to get them (or get away from them) when I'm refusing to pay RL money for that crap ? Not at all ! And don't come up with roots or snares. I'm talking about when they are farther away. There is NO freaking way to do anything about it. Even if I somehow manage to get all the 800k status for the disc at lvl 10, I'm still (you know what I am, but since I can't use words, that are commonly used, you have to guess, what I am), because that great new mount runs at 65%. Until about lvl 70, this is the best mount there is (until you can start grinding Rime faction). AND THIS IS GAME BREAKING !!! I swore to myself, that once SOE puts ANYTHING up for SC that breaks this game, I'd be out. Well, maybe it's time to get back to PvE because, after all, I still like this game too much to just quit. It's a black day for PvP tho, because no matter what, I WON'T PAY RL MONEY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE !!!Totally different cup of tea on PvE I admit, beacuse there it's just that you get to your destination quicker, which I personally don't care too much about (not those 3-20% that is). On PvP tho, I DO care ......"Starley writes:"Yeah, I said I was done with this.. but you know what? I care too much about the future of this game to just be rolled over. I want SOE to reply to US - the people who are making excellent points as to why this mount is a BAD idea. Please don't just reply to those who have positive things to say. We will NOT forget, we will NOT give up and go quietly into the night! We're here until you address our very valid issues with this mount.1. It DOES impact even game play between those who pay and those who PLAY.2. IS this just the begining? How many more stat items will be placed on the market place? Where is the line drawn?3. Is this the direction the game is going in? We would like answers, because reguardless of our opinions on your latest sales tactics, we -do- still pay to play this game, thus, we too are your customers."__________________________________________________ ______And this is just from the last 4 pages, I could go on and on with quotes but I feel there are enough here to make the point. After all of this, After all of these concerns being placed here and a couple of people directly asking SOE for reassurance that EverQuest is not going to become EverCash.. STILL the concerns have been blatantly ignored. This is really disheartening to those of us who just want to know up front about the direction in which this game is going.</blockquote>Honestly now....). What really amazes me is on several different posts, we hear from disgruntled players about how much more popular WoW is and how much $$$ they make. Then we have to listen to people say how *Greedy* SOE is because of SC. I personally believe, its all about the survival of the game. I believe it is still profitable but not *that* profitable. Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking. Many of us just want the game to continue. PERIOD!And on a side note, all you folks railing about how SOE lied to you/us and how dare they, etc. etc. Greedy what nots and such. Please!! Your elected officials lie to you everyday, sometimes twice, spend your money like drunken sailors on dumb, half-baked ideas and other rubbish and don't seem to give a rat's U know what about it. I daresay none of you bother to get half as excited about that. Or bother to write them, or call, or vote them out. How about you all get angry at something that matters, for real, rather than a company trying to continue a entertainment venue.Perspective people, Perspective.

Ristan

05-25-2010, 12:25 AM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Starley@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> </blockquote>Honestly now....). What really amazes me is on several different posts, we hear from disgruntled players about how much more popular WoW is and how much $$$ they make. Then we have to listen to people say how *Greedy* SOE is because of SC. I personally believe, its all about the survival of the game. I believe it is still profitable but not *that* profitable. Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking. Many of us just want the game to continue. PERIOD!And on a side note, all you folks railing about how SOE lied to you/us and how dare they, etc. etc. Greedy what nots and such. Please!! Your elected officials lie to you everyday, sometimes twice, spend your money like drunken sailors on dumb, half-baked ideas and other rubbish and don't seem to give a rat's U know what about it. I daresay none of you bother to get half as excited about that. Or bother to write them, or call, or vote them out. How about you all get angry at something that matters, for real, rather than a company trying to continue a entertainment venue.Perspective people, Perspective.</blockquote>This. Glad someone gets it.<img src="http://kyrainetheranger.tripod.com/starsiggirl.gif" /><a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Starseeker/">Starseeker</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Arendul/">Arendul</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Ristan/">Ristan</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Kyraine/">Kyraine</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Saewyn/">Saewyn</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Lyiana/">Lyiana</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Kicx/">Kicx</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Elegi/">Elegi</a> * <a class="postlink" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/Crushbone/Anomandaris/">Anomandaris</a> My Houses: <a class="postlink" href="list.m?topic_id=477978">Starseeker's Suite</a>--<a class="postlink" href="list.m?topic_id=456320">The Tinkerdome 1.0</a>-- <a class="postlink" href="list.m?topic_id=458754">The Tinkerdome 2.0</a>

Jazzia

05-25-2010, 07:10 AM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.

Chiyoiche

05-25-2010, 08:52 AM

<cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.</blockquote>the rime mount, is faster is it not? as well as raid mounts....and the lvl 90 guild mounts are getting a boost as well. a SC mount, with a 65 run speed.(unless they changed it),certainly isnt game breaking. there are wasy of getting a good fast mount, without any real money...this is hardly game breaking imo...

Powers

05-25-2010, 09:17 AM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>And on a side note, all you folks railing about how SOE lied to you/us and how dare they, etc. etc. Greedy what nots and such. Please!! Your elected officials lie to you everyday, sometimes twice, spend your money like drunken sailors on dumb, half-baked ideas and other rubbish and don't seem to give a rat's U know what about it. I daresay none of you bother to get half as excited about that. Or bother to write them, or call, or vote them out. How about you all get angry at something that matters, for real, rather than a company trying to continue a entertainment venue.</blockquote>That's a bit of an unwarranted assumption, isn't it?Powers &8^]

Rainmare

05-25-2010, 10:53 AM

<cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.</blockquote>the rime mount, is faster is it not? as well as raid mounts....and the lvl 90 guild mounts are getting a boost as well. a SC mount, with a 65 run speed.(unless they changed it),certainly isnt game breaking. there are wasy of getting a good fast mount, without any real money...this is hardly game breaking imo...</blockquote>the rime mount is 3% faster, and requires a metric [Removed for Content] ton of faction work to get and plat. even the 'improved' faction merchant mounts I don't think are as fast as the prowler. lets not forget to even think about getting the icemount you have to be in your 70s. the prowler can be ridden by people at level 1, if they are willing to give out the money. I think that's what they are talking about...low level toons, running at 65% RS...with nothing in game to counter it that they can feasibly get thier hands on.

Jazzia

05-25-2010, 11:05 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.</blockquote>the rime mount, is faster is it not? as well as raid mounts....and the lvl 90 guild mounts are getting a boost as well. a SC mount, with a 65 run speed.(unless they changed it),certainly isnt game breaking. there are wasy of getting a good fast mount, without any real money...this is hardly game breaking imo...</blockquote>the rime mount is 3% faster, and requires a metric [Removed for Content] ton of faction work to get and plat. even the 'improved' faction merchant mounts I don't think are as fast as the prowler. lets not forget to even think about getting the icemount you have to be in your 70s. the prowler can be ridden by people at level 1, if they are willing to give out the money. I think that's what they are talking about...low level toons, running at 65% RS...with nothing in game to counter it that they can feasibly get thier hands on.</blockquote>Thank god, someone else got it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> THIS is exactly my point (not the plat part, I'm good with that, the level requirement).@Chicyoiche: I haven't heared about the mentioned lvl 90 mount boost yet ..... Any thread you can point us to ?edit for clarification <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Elithaw

05-25-2010, 11:13 AM

Ok I am not reading 53 pages of postings, besides I already know the arguments get heated.Sorry if this has been suggested before.Make the mounts have an appearance slot and make all marketplace mounts appearance only. Problem solved.Things I would actually pay for in the marketplace.1. A swimming pool/sauna for my house. Yes I can make one, but a clean item to place in my home would be money in your pockets.2. Appearance armor that actually looks different then every other item in the game. Not just recolored armor.3. Appearance weapons with neat effects. Glowies, sparklies etc.4. Plants that grow in my home. ROM does this and its a very effective money maker for them. Look into it.5. A music box/jukebox for my home that plays my selection of MP3's <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />6. A gaming table for the guild hall that gives you a game of chess/checkers/cards to actually play with other people while sitting in your guild hall/house. Poker with actual betting could be fun.Just be more creative and realize that people will pay money for things they cannot get in the game. No more stats on items please <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Even if its itty bitty stats.

Claraness

05-25-2010, 12:01 PM

No one is claiming that the stats are game breaking. Even +1 to a stat affects gameplay even if the amount is considered trivial/negligible. As that mount has +5 to some of the game statistics, it is affecting gameplay. The mount, therefore, is affecting gamplay. We were told SC items would not affect gameplay. You honestly cannot fathom how this is frustrating? The point here is very simple. Sony Online Entertainment, and their crackerjack development team, lies.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-in-the-door_technique">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-i...-door_technique</a>

Fyranaer

05-25-2010, 01:45 PM

<cite>Elithawyn@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok I am not reading 53 pages of postings, besides I already know the arguments get heated.Sorry if this has been suggested before.Make the mounts have an appearance slot and make all marketplace mounts appearance only. Problem solved.Things I would actually pay for in the marketplace.1. A swimming pool/sauna for my house. Yes I can make one, but a clean item to place in my home would be money in your pockets.2. Appearance armor that actually looks different then every other item in the game. Not just recolored armor.3. Appearance weapons with neat effects. Glowies, sparklies etc.4. Plants that grow in my home. ROM does this and its a very effective money maker for them. Look into it.5. A music box/jukebox for my home that plays my selection of MP3's <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />6. A gaming table for the guild hall that gives you a game of chess/checkers/cards to actually play with other people while sitting in your guild hall/house. Poker with actual betting could be fun.Just be more creative and realize that people will pay money for things they cannot get in the game. No more stats on items please <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Even if its itty bitty stats.</blockquote>If the mounts only have an appearance slot and someone buys one but doesn't have a mount how would that work?The mounts should all have stats. Anything sold in the marketplace should mirror what is in game. That is why the mount in WoW and the ad-pack mount in LotRO are successful. People don't want to buy something for cash that is less than something in the game.If I buy furniture in the marketplace I want it to have status reductions on it. Some of the cheaper stuff might not just like many handcrafted items don't. The nicer items could just like mastercrafted items do (or have some similar benefit). Sell nice things in the marketplace and people will buy them. It is likely people will supplement their game play with these items (like you said you want a swimming pool), but not make them their whole game play experience.You suggestions are great by the way. In LotRO you can acquire different in game music (via rep, festival events, etc) and place them in your house. It makes an impression when entering a house. I love it. I also really like your plant idea. My house is a zoo (hey my main is a druid) and I would love to have various houseplants growing.

Valdimere

05-25-2010, 01:45 PM

$25 is $15 too much. I buy things off the Marketplace all the time, but I NEVER buy anything that cost more then $10. We already pay $15 a month and buy an expansion once a year. Asking us to spend $25 for a fluff item that only one character can use on our account is just insane.Who ever priced these mounts has no idea we are in an economical depression right now obviously. I need his/her job.

Fyranaer

05-25-2010, 01:47 PM

<cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.</blockquote>the rime mount, is faster is it not? as well as raid mounts....and the lvl 90 guild mounts are getting a boost as well. a SC mount, with a 65 run speed.(unless they changed it),certainly isnt game breaking. there are wasy of getting a good fast mount, without any real money...this is hardly game breaking imo...</blockquote>the rime mount is 3% faster, and requires a metric [Removed for Content] ton of faction work to get and plat. even the 'improved' faction merchant mounts I don't think are as fast as the prowler. lets not forget to even think about getting the icemount you have to be in your 70s. the prowler can be ridden by people at level 1, if they are willing to give out the money. I think that's what they are talking about...low level toons, running at 65% RS...with nothing in game to counter it that they can feasibly get thier hands on.</blockquote>Thank god, someone else got it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> THIS is exactly my point (not the plat part, I'm good with that, the level requirement).@Chicyoiche: I haven't heared about the mentioned lvl 90 mount boost yet ..... Any thread you can point us to ?edit for clarification <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Place a level req on the mounts for pvp servers. Problem solved. Closing down the pvp servers would be another option since they are mostly a drag on the resources of the game. Either way problem solved.

agnott

05-25-2010, 01:47 PM

Circa 2008 The launch of Station Cash."You guys are blowing this way out of porprotion ...SC items are just fluff , they will have no real impact on gameplay"

Fyranaer

05-25-2010, 01:48 PM

<cite>Valdimere wrote:</cite><blockquote>$25 is $15 too much. I buy things off the Marketplace all the time, but I NEVER buy anything that cost more then $10. We already pay $15 a month and buy an expansion once a year. Asking us to spend $25 for a fluff item that only one character can use on our account is just insane.Who ever priced these mounts has no idea we are in an economical depression right now obviously. I need his/her job.</blockquote>I agree the mounts are too expensive. I think SoE marketing is trying their hand at the broker. It's like they have a really nice shiny that has no broker competition so they priced it at 25plat. Hopefully they will go for the volume approach at some point and price them reasonably.

Fyranaer

05-25-2010, 01:54 PM

<cite>agnott wrote:</cite><blockquote>Circa 2008 The launch of Station Cash."You guys are blowing this way out of porprotion ...SC items are just fluff , they will have no real impact on gameplay"</blockquote>So what. Times change, and they were wrong.On the other side of the coin the game could crawl back in its shell, stagnate, and end up like SWG or Ryzom. That doesn't sound so great does it?Cash shops can make the game more fun and bring in more revenue.Does the horse having stats make the game less fun for you? How?

agnott

05-25-2010, 02:15 PM

<cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>agnott wrote:</cite><blockquote>Circa 2008 The launch of Station Cash."You guys are blowing this way out of porprotion ...SC items are just fluff , they will have no real impact on gameplay"</blockquote>So what. Times change, and they were wrong.On the other side of the coin the game could crawl back in its shell, stagnate, and end up like SWG or Ryzom. That doesn't sound so great does it?Cash shops can make the game more fun and bring in more revenue.Does the horse having stats make the game less fun for you? How?</blockquote>I don't have a problem with SOE making money on top of the subscription, I really don't. But the launch of SC was preceded by the longest expansion draught in its history.So it becomes harder and harder to accept these sc items, when evidence suggest that the additional revenue is not going back into the game.

GrunEQ

05-25-2010, 02:19 PM

What I want to know is how long a time does it take for a promise or someone's word as bond change from being a lie to it's just business and things change?If I told you something today and tomorrow it is different .... is it a lie or just things change? A week? a month? a year? two years?

x82nd77

05-25-2010, 02:25 PM

So you did keep your word on making them Heirloom, but you made it attunable heirloom... which means once attuned, it's still not really heirloom. I figured you would make it heirloom like the RAF mount is heirloom and actually USEFUL. That is why my wife and I bought the cats, since they would be useable on all our toons.... not just one. What is the point of making them attunable heirloom?If this was a simple mistake, fine.... understood and fix it please. If this wasn't then this was a CROCK and neither my wife nor I will EVER even open your marketplace again.

Cynith

05-25-2010, 02:38 PM

<cite>Kromos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So you did keep your word on making them Heirloom, but you made it attunable heirloom... which means once attuned, it's still not really heirloom. I figured you would make it heirloom like the RAF mount is heirloom and actually USEFUL. That is why my wife and I bought the cats, since they would be useable on all our toons.... not just one. What is the point of making them attunable heirloom?</blockquote>I agree completely - an "attunable" heirloom tag serves no purpose with this item considering you can purchase SC from any character on the account. The whole reason people were asking for heirloom in the first place is so they could purchase one cat and swap it around between toons. Hopefully this is an oversight.

Andok

05-25-2010, 02:41 PM

<cite>Kromos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So you did keep your word on making them Heirloom, but you made it attunable heirloom... which means once attuned, it's still not really heirloom. I figured you would make it heirloom like the RAF mount is heirloom and actually USEFUL. That is why my wife and I bought the cats, since they would be useable on all our toons.... not just one. What is the point of making them attunable heirloom?If this was a simple mistake, fine.... understood and fix it please. If this wasn't then this was a CROCK and neither my wife nor I will EVER even open your marketplace again.</blockquote>That has to be a mistake, because here is a quote from Smokejumper on page 8:<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>They'll be Heirloom and freely transferred between characters on the same account, even after use.</blockquote>(emphasis mine)

AnnalisaIcewind

05-25-2010, 02:54 PM

Let's hope this is just a mistake that can be easily rectified.

Vmp

05-25-2010, 03:28 PM

<cite>Kromos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So you did keep your word on making them Heirloom, but you made it attunable heirloom... which means once attuned, it's still not really heirloom. I figured you would make it heirloom like the RAF mount is heirloom and actually USEFUL. That is why my wife and I bought the cats, since they would be useable on all our toons.... not just one. What is the point of making them attunable heirloom?If this was a simple mistake, fine.... understood and fix it please. If this wasn't then this was a CROCK and neither my wife nor I will EVER even open your marketplace again.</blockquote>If true, then this is a serious d***move.Even though marketplace mounts are brand new and these are exactly the kinds of details that often get re-assessed and adjusted, they only have 3 basic possiblilites:1) Every character (present and future) on the account can claim the item individually.2) One character on the account can have the item at any given time, but it can still be passed around and shared among all the account's characters.3) Only one character on the account gets the item. (ever!)In this (admittedly new) station mount situation, I think the chips fall thusly:1) With people's tendency to want want want, this would likely be what most players would vote for. However compromise here is reasonable...we don't always get everything we want. But would definitely be worth 25$2) The sweet spot. A good balance between players getting an item they can enjoy on all their characters (even with having to pass it around) and the business not having to give away the whole farm and saturate the game world with the item. Mildly debateable but still worth 25$3) Highly unreasonable for almost 2 months worth of subscription, even as a convenience item. Leading to people never saying a good word about the system again, and taking every opportunity to further undermine it. Not worth 25$ by any measure!

laynesmart

05-25-2010, 03:35 PM

You have a really great game here and i have no problem with players buying stuff for that game, but your prices are a little to high.$25 dollars for a mount i get on one toon! Now that sucks. But i do love how all the devs and soe guys are SO buying one, who would of thought?!?Unless your going to cater to the none rich players with kids and bills to pay, i'll have to say no as well to a shiny new mount.

Dareena

05-25-2010, 03:46 PM

<cite>laynesmart wrote:</cite><blockquote>You have a really great game here and i have no problem with players buying stuff for that game, but your prices are a little to high.</blockquote>While I get where you're coming from, by EQ2 standards these mounts are dirt cheap. Relatively. Previously a special mount could only be found as a random Loot card in a LoN pack. Even Loot had a rarity system, so mounts were extremely rare. Some vendors which has a flawless reputation would sell LoN mounts online, but the going rate was always $200 - $300. I personally think that's a crazy high price, but that's just me.The Station Cash bought mounts have identical stats to the LoN mounts. Other than using new artwork, it seems that the LoN mounts are the formula of design. So from my point of view, buying a LoN mount for only $25 is a steal.Having said that, I still only bought one because I finally found a mount which matched the color scheme of my main character. They won't be something that I'll buy regularly.Yes, WoW uses a different mount selling mechanic. But the idea of paying a chunk of money for a single mount which isn't tradeable is a time honored LoN concept. Though if SOE holds true to their original promise, these mounts will be just Heirloom and not the Attuneable-Heirloom that they currently instituted today.

CoLD MeTaL

05-25-2010, 04:19 PM

Heirloom - GREAT!Attuneable - Not so much.Mounts are attuneable heirloom, which seems to defeat what the dev was saying. I considered buying one, since it useable by a level 1, if heirloom and not attuneable so that a new character I roll would have a mount to start with.

Maisland

05-25-2010, 04:21 PM

The mount looks cool... but I would never pay $25 for something that only one of my characters got.I also have a WoW account and I did buy the mount that the Blizzard store sells for the same price (which all of my characters on a single account got) and have had buyer's remorse for that (I am taking a break from WoW to make up the money, so my purchase of their mount is costing them my subscription fees for 2 months... in essence, they are losing money on my purchase). Paying the same price for something that a single character gets? No way!

CoLD MeTaL

05-25-2010, 04:25 PM

<cite>Maisland wrote:</cite><blockquote>The mount looks cool... but I would never pay $25 for something that only one of my characters got.I also have a WoW account and I did buy the mount that the Blizzard store sells for the same price (which all of my characters on a single account got) and have had buyer's remorse for that (I am taking a break from WoW to make up the money, so my purchase of their mount is costing them my subscription fees for 2 months... in essence, they are losing money on my purchase). Paying the same price for something that a single character gets? No way!</blockquote>I would definately have paid $25 for it to be added to my /claim window for each and every character "one per character".

SmokeJumper

05-25-2010, 04:56 PM

The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.

Cynith

05-25-2010, 04:57 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>Thanks for the update

Chiyoiche

05-25-2010, 05:11 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>when will this be fixed? tomorrow? or tonight? i got one, the caster one, but used it on the wrong character thinking it would be trans. so now its stuck on my pally @.@ -cries-

Purr

05-25-2010, 05:59 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>Why not go one step further and make it one per character to claim? Saves all the hassle of moving it around via shared bank and would go a long way towards showing your good will in those tough economic times. I think a lot of people would appreciate it.Just my 2 c.Purr~

Vortexelemental

05-25-2010, 06:35 PM

Or you could just make it 5$ so the micro purchase will be really that, micro.

Elquinjena

05-25-2010, 06:39 PM

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gt4980b

05-25-2010, 08:34 PM

I feel kind of cheated. This is the first item I purchased from any cash shop. Reading what others were saying, I thought each character would get one...had no idea I had to trade it to each character. I'm happy with my mount since I only paid $10, but I don't think I will ever use the cash shop again. The shared bank thing is just stupid.

DuneWarrior

05-25-2010, 08:52 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>Since we are currently in the 'spend your time actually PLAYING the game' era, how about it being CLAIMABLE instead so i dont have to spend my time travelling to a bank on toon A, to deposit it and then having to pick it up in a bank on Toon B etc. etc. ?????A response, even a rude one, would be appreciated considering the price of this item is totally of the wall.

Katz

05-25-2010, 09:43 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>Should we not attune it while we wait on the fix?<cite>Purr wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>Why not go one step further and make it one per character to claim? Saves all the hassle of moving it around via shared bank and would go a long way towards showing your good will in those tough economic times. I think a lot of people would appreciate it.Just my 2 c.Purr~</blockquote>This would be much better. It's a hassle to have to drop it into the shared bank all the time. /claim would save a lot of aggravation.

Vmp

05-25-2010, 10:33 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>The attunable is a mistake and will be resolved soon. They are supposed to be tradable between characters on a single account, as I stated before, even after use.</blockquote>/THANK

Dareena

05-25-2010, 11:14 PM

Bug Report:Since today's patch, I can no longer see ANY of the mount particle effects even though they're turned on. The most noticeable is the lack of particle effects around the feet of these quasi-cat things. This issue applies to my blue Ulteran mount and the other mounts (which I'm watching other people ride).Is this intentional? Or do you change it so now we're forced to use the terrible and buggy Shaders 3.0 in order to actually see our mounts properly?

Uncaged

05-25-2010, 11:52 PM

<cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.</blockquote>the rime mount, is faster is it not? as well as raid mounts....and the lvl 90 guild mounts are getting a boost as well. a SC mount, with a 65 run speed.(unless they changed it),certainly isnt game breaking. there are wasy of getting a good fast mount, without any real money...this is hardly game breaking imo...</blockquote>the rime mount is 3% faster, and requires a metric [Removed for Content] ton of faction work to get and plat. even the 'improved' faction merchant mounts I don't think are as fast as the prowler. lets not forget to even think about getting the icemount you have to be in your 70s. the prowler can be ridden by people at level 1, if they are willing to give out the money. I think that's what they are talking about...low level toons, running at 65% RS...with nothing in game to counter it that they can feasibly get thier hands on.</blockquote>Thank god, someone else got it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> THIS is exactly my point (not the plat part, I'm good with that, the level requirement).@Chicyoiche: I haven't heared about the mentioned lvl 90 mount boost yet ..... Any thread you can point us to ?edit for clarification <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Place a level req on the mounts for pvp servers. Problem solved. Closing down the pvp servers would be another option since they are mostly a drag on the resources of the game. Either way problem solved.</blockquote>This ^^^^.

VikingGamer

05-26-2010, 12:10 AM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chiyoiche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kallinia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Certainly nothing that has been placed into the game up to this point can be considered game breaking.</blockquote>Either you didn't read my post, ignored it or just don't care. It IS game breaking for PvP (and don't bother mentioning the exchange one, that doesn't count as it's only available to US residents which I am not).PvP is all (well, I'd say 90%) about gear. So if you're willing to shell out RL cash, you get a HUGE advantage over the others (like me), who won't pay (more than our monthly sub) to compete. YOU are the one, who decides if you fight or not. And TBH, this break MY gameplay, because I have no in-game means to counter YOUR RL cash. I don't play F2P games for a reason. I'm willing to pay my 2 accounts per month, but that is it. Not a single cent more (again, to compete) ! I occasionally use character transfer, race change potion and the like but I could totally go without it without loosing out on my chances to compete. It's just easier to transfer a character than to rebuild it from scratch on another account. But i don't HAVE to pay for it ! If I'm short on money, I can just create one on the other account, level it and be done with it.I don't mind loosing to a raid-geared Q, because HE is willing to invest more of his gametime into raiding, than I am. But again, I COULD raid 5 or 6 times a week, if I wanted to and get the same chance on gear, he does. It is MY choice not to do it, so I don't whine when one of them beats me. I would totally mind, if I knew, I could kill a Q and just because he shelled out 25$, he can get away from me.</blockquote>the rime mount, is faster is it not? as well as raid mounts....and the lvl 90 guild mounts are getting a boost as well. a SC mount, with a 65 run speed.(unless they changed it),certainly isnt game breaking. there are wasy of getting a good fast mount, without any real money...this is hardly game breaking imo...</blockquote>the rime mount is 3% faster, and requires a metric [Removed for Content] ton of faction work to get and plat. even the 'improved' faction merchant mounts I don't think are as fast as the prowler. lets not forget to even think about getting the icemount you have to be in your 70s. the prowler can be ridden by people at level 1, if they are willing to give out the money. I think that's what they are talking about...low level toons, running at 65% RS...with nothing in game to counter it that they can feasibly get thier hands on.</blockquote>Thank god, someone else got it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> THIS is exactly my point (not the plat part, I'm good with that, the level requirement).@Chicyoiche: I haven't heared about the mentioned lvl 90 mount boost yet ..... Any thread you can point us to ?edit for clarification <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Place a level req on the mounts for pvp servers. Problem solved. Closing down the pvp servers would be another option since they are mostly a drag on the resources of the game. Either way problem solved.</blockquote>This ^^^^.</blockquote>Got my vote.

covic

05-26-2010, 04:16 AM

<cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bug Report:Since today's patch, I can no longer see ANY of the mount particle effects even though they're turned on. The most noticeable is the lack of particle effects around the feet of these quasi-cat things. This issue applies to my blue Ulteran mount and the other mounts (which I'm watching other people ride).Is this intentional? Or do you change it so now we're forced to use the terrible and buggy Shaders 3.0 in order to actually see our mounts properly?</blockquote>Sorry the particles were never suppose to stay on the feet, only show up when running. And the blue mount was suppose to have particles that matched his blue glowing cracked skin area. The Black was a bug particle test that got into the build. We did have the particles on there for about half a day to see how they looked, but the black one looked liked pig pen, and having the particles all the time took away from the mount. It was not suppose to be in the build. When we shot the video the particles were right, then when we saw them in game they had the test particles still on. They are working like the promo video now and what was originally intented.

Kain-UK

05-26-2010, 04:29 AM

Shame.I preffered the black crackle around the feet rather than the little white-ish puff balls I get now.

Vortexelemental

05-26-2010, 05:33 AM

<cite>Kain-UK wrote:</cite><blockquote>Shame.I preffered the black crackle around the feet rather than the little white-ish puff balls I get now.</blockquote>I agree, I actually have far less want to buy the item now than previously... that particle was one of the major draw points.Lucky I didn't.Still, 25 bucks is 15 bucks too expensive.Micro means small.Not Macro. Which means big, considering our sub is 15$ a month, nothing over 15$ can really be considered a *micro* transaction.

Dareena

05-26-2010, 10:58 AM

<cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bug Report:Since today's patch, I can no longer see ANY of the mount particle effects even though they're turned on. The most noticeable is the lack of particle effects around the feet of these quasi-cat things. This issue applies to my blue Ulteran mount and the other mounts (which I'm watching other people ride).Is this intentional? Or do you change it so now we're forced to use the terrible and buggy Shaders 3.0 in order to actually see our mounts properly?</blockquote>Sorry the particles were never suppose to stay on the feet, only show up when running. And the blue mount was suppose to have particles that matched his blue glowing cracked skin area. The Black was a bug particle test that got into the build. We did have the particles on there for about half a day to see how they looked, but the black one looked liked pig pen, and having the particles all the time took away from the mount. It was not suppose to be in the build. When we shot the video the particles were right, then when we saw them in game they had the test particles still on. They are working like the promo video now and what was originally intented.</blockquote>Wow. Now Covic, I understand that you're just the messenger and everything doesn't all fall onto you. But this whole mount situation is starting to annoy me. I defended the SC mounts since I really see them as new LoN mounts that are being sold through an alternative path. Yet let's recap how well SOE's track record is with these mounts.----------1) Feather Fall: Per the web article's initial language, the mounts were to include a Feather Fall mechanic. Though it wasn't called out by name, the verbal description of the ability is pin point correct.Result: After about half a day of selling the mounts, and potentially seeing that the whole Feather Fall ability was the main point of most objections over the SC mount, SOE altered the online article to remove this language. Now the SC mount description from the game never mentioned Feather Fall, but we're already looking at a situation of mixed messages. All together, the game interpretation is considered correct and the original web interpretation is considered wrong. No refunds are offered on mounts that had been already purchased.----------2) Heirloom: It was initially unclear about where or not the mounts would be No Trade as per the standard LoN mounts. After various arguements, SOE clarified in the message board thread that they would be Heirloom and wouldn't include an Attuneable restriction. (To my knowledge, this wasn't ever clarified in the online web article.)Result: Now after Tuesday's GU 56 patch, the mounts have been changed to Heirloom Attuneable. After complaints on the message board thread, SOE clarified that the Attuneable function was in error. In theory, it should finally be corrected in the next Hotfix. So from what I can see, the only way people could even know what was going on would be to follow a single SOE forum thread. Otherwise they'd be frustrated and clueless. Also it's never been clarified when the next Hotfix is going live. Based on the usual SOE pattern, I'm guessing next Tuesday. This means that the Heirloom mounts won't have been functioning correctly for 1.5 weeks before they were fixed. No refunds have been offered on mounts that had been already purchased.----------3) Mount Appearances: If people really paid attention to already incorrect online article, then they would have noticed a link to a video of the new mounts. Should those people have done so, then they would have observed the mounts in their post GU 56 state. Yet for everyone else that actually took the foolish time to view the mounts in-game, which is a standard EQ2 procedure, then these perspective buyers would have seen a different appearance. These new mounts had a constant particle effect around their feet. Also the blue Ulteran mount had a kind of funky black particle effect appearance. While the blue mount appearance was usual, I'd also consider it to be one of the appeals of the product.Result: Now after Tuesday's GU 56 patch, the mounts have lost their feet particle effects. Yes, they'll show a little bit when the mounts are running around. Yet the particle effects are nothing like they were before and vastly different from those shown in the SC dressing room. As if this isn't bad enough, the signature black particles of the blue mount have been altered to blue and white effects that are trying to mimic a frost effect. All together, the customers have been subject to a bait and switch situation. From Covic's response, was the entire customer base expected to have gone online and clicked a link in a web article which had already been proven as inaccurate? As of this moment, no refunds have been offered for these purchased mounts.----------Now I completely understand that Covic is just the messenger in this latest snag with the whole SC mount situation. I'm not blaming him personally since he's just in charge of animation and isn't response with making sure that the various sources of public information are accurate.Yet having said that, SOE is responsible as a company to make sure that the products being sold are matching their description. I'm in sales and easily understand the concept. If I ever had the nerve to try to pull a bait and switch situation, I'd be hung out to dry and obligated to provide the customer with the correct product to resolve the situation. Yes, the various online agreements for the game do state that things can change and will. We have no real recourse as customers. But having said that, I was getting the impression that SOE had plans to introduce other special SC promotional sale items in the future. They would likely be a good source of additional revenue for the company.Who would buy a future SC promotional item after the way that these initial SC mounts have been handled so far? I liked the mounts and was seriously considering making a future purchase if SOE offered a similar situation in the future. Yet after all of the various "bugs" that have occured, do I truly have faith in SOE that my product will be delivered as described? It's one thing to alter and change an in-game item for mechanics reasons or if it has the exact appearance of another item. However it's quite a different situation if these in-game changes are made on items which people have spent additional money on through the SC Marketplace. To be honest, it starts to make a customer feel like they're being a bit cheated and will likely make them resentful of future products that are being offered by the seller.

vexrm

05-26-2010, 11:39 AM

Working in a programming field, adding feather fall to these mounts would take a month maybe more of coding and testing.That's why it wasn't just added. It really is not that simple.Having said that, I AM disappointed that it is not there. I can't speak for the refunds as I did not buy one and thus am not effected by that.The rest of the points above me? I completely agree with. We have too many SOE folks not paying attention and small issues keep seeping through. The mounts have been a PR bomb and it's a shame. I would imagine the devs all knew how they would divide the community and having all the issues with them hasn't helped that fact.

Andok

05-26-2010, 12:22 PM

<cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Who would buy a future SC promotional item after the way that these initial SC mounts have been handled so far? </blockquote>I would. Granted, I would be singing a different tune if the ATTUNABLE attribute wasn’t a mistake, but it was a mistake and is being removed. In fact, I would buy a lot more items if they removed the ATTUNABLE attribute from more SC items. /hint

Dareena

05-26-2010, 12:33 PM

I bought one mount already. It's rare to actually find a mount which exactly matches my main's color scheme. With that in mind, I don't regret my purchase.Yet having said that, SOE has changed their tune multiple times already as they keep discovering "bugs" and "errors". That's my major issue. If they have some kind of different promo SC item two months from now, will I have the confidence to purchase one? That's questionable. I might buy one after the SC item has been available for at least a couple of weeks. By that time, all of the various changes and alterations should have already gone through.Is that the kind of customer opinion that SOE is looking for? I doubt it. So far their track record with these mounts have encouraged a "wait and see" attitude with me. From talking to others, appearantly I'm not the only one who feels that way. Refusing to buy a new product initially because you expect to be jacked around is not a positive thing. Yet until SOE starts to provide a clean and consistent track record on their future SC items, people are going to wait for a bit while they hedge their bets.

Kosh Narane

05-26-2010, 12:37 PM

found another issue with the prowler on my feamle highelf alt.Its still ok while standing still but gets realy bad when moving oder jumping. Feels like the chars is trying to do the splits on the mount:<img src="http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3770/highelfprowler.jpg" width="360" height="357" />The issue itself is not limited to highelf(soga) chars. Tried a few illusions and switchung soga/non-soga modells with the result that highelf-soga femals seem to have the biggest issues, followed by the non-soga model and halfelf-models. Both darkelf-models semm to be working ok and don't show any signs of the issue with the other models.

CoLD MeTaL

05-26-2010, 12:44 PM

<cite>vexrm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Working in a programming field, adding feather fall to these mounts would take a month maybe more of coding and testing.That's why it wasn't just added. It really is not that simple.Having said that, I AM disappointed that it is not there. I can't speak for the refunds as I did not buy one and thus am not effected by that.The rest of the points above me? I completely agree with. We have too many SOE folks not paying attention and small issues keep seeping through. The mounts have been a PR bomb and it's a shame. I would imagine the devs all knew how they would divide the community and having all the issues with them hasn't helped that fact.</blockquote>how can you work "in a programming field" and not understand object oriented behavior that feather fall is most likely a 1 bit switch that can be turned on and off by some intern and put it in the next live nerf patch. An intern is probably handling these things which is why the SC mount is yet to be what $OE says it will.What i am disappointed about is this SC mount has gotten more dev response than any other thread on these forums, and many other threads have much greater merit.

vexrm

05-26-2010, 01:02 PM

<cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>vexrm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Working in a programming field, adding feather fall to these mounts would take a month maybe more of coding and testing.That's why it wasn't just added. It really is not that simple.Having said that, I AM disappointed that it is not there. I can't speak for the refunds as I did not buy one and thus am not effected by that.The rest of the points above me? I completely agree with. We have too many SOE folks not paying attention and small issues keep seeping through. The mounts have been a PR bomb and it's a shame. I would imagine the devs all knew how they would divide the community and having all the issues with them hasn't helped that fact.</blockquote>how can you work "in a programming field" and not understand object oriented behavior that feather fall is most likely a 1 bit switch that can be turned on and off by some intern and put it in the next live nerf patch. An intern is probably handling these things which is why the SC mount is yet to be what $OE says it will.What i am disappointed about is this SC mount has gotten more dev response than any other thread on these forums, and many other threads have much greater merit.</blockquote>Are you serious? A one bit switch? Man, I laugh at this if you think that's all it takes. First you are assuming that they coded the feather fall as a seperate object that can be added to anything. That might be the case, I don't know what their code looks like, but I'm assuming it's spaghetti string by now as all code becomes.Let's assume you're right and it really IS that easy and that this is the highest priority thing to do.So you get the request in. Let's say smoke jumper goes to rothgar and goes "Okay we NEED this today."Rothgar will code the change, if it's simple it might take an hour or so to get the right code up, get the change in, and do a basic test.Then the code is in and it needs built in an internal test machine. That's a few hours there.Internal QA looks at it, tests it out a bit, and passes it. One day is gone.Then it goes into the next hot fix on the server.So that's a week.Then some strange bug occurs that if you're in Dark Light Woods using a certian video card your cat mount will suddenly appear upside down.Seriously, testing takes time. To do this right I'd give it a month before we get it. It's not just "bam it's fixed." Users that expect it to be done in an hour or less because it's such a simple change make my life hell. We rush that simple change through and suddenly something even worse is broken.I respect their decision to go "Sorry, mistake." and not rush a change through development. I don't agree with the no refunds, but to go "it's a simple bit switch" is just showing your ignorance of the development lifecycle and how complicated and messed up programming can be.

Uncaged

05-26-2010, 01:18 PM

<cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bug Report:Since today's patch, I can no longer see ANY of the mount particle effects even though they're turned on. The most noticeable is the lack of particle effects around the feet of these quasi-cat things. This issue applies to my blue Ulteran mount and the other mounts (which I'm watching other people ride).Is this intentional? Or do you change it so now we're forced to use the terrible and buggy Shaders 3.0 in order to actually see our mounts properly?</blockquote>Sorry the particles were never suppose to stay on the feet, only show up when running. And the blue mount was suppose to have particles that matched his blue glowing cracked skin area. The Black was a bug particle test that got into the build. We did have the particles on there for about half a day to see how they looked, but the black one looked liked pig pen, and having the particles all the time took away from the mount. It was not suppose to be in the build. When we shot the video the particles were right, then when we saw them in game they had the test particles still on. They are working like the promo video now and what was originally intented.</blockquote>Wow. I have to say as a strong supporter of SOE selling these mounts, I am very disappointed. In making my decision of which mount to buy in the SC store, I did what most would do. View the mounts in dressing room to see what would match my outfit/s best. This is truly rediculous. I won't say DOOOOM or that I am going to quit a sub over it but the very least SOE should do is offer us our SC back. I can understand not wanting to let loose with our RL cash but they could at least allow people to turn in their cats and recover their station cash.It seems even when you try to support something good from SOE they find a way to anger all sides of the arguement. Epic Fail.

covic

05-26-2010, 02:16 PM

I know most people bought the mount by looking at the preview window. So I think it is fair to push the particles back on which are the ones we had at launch of the mount until they were changed with Halas. I will talk to my particle guy today and get those rebuilt. Thanks for the feed back.

Loendar

05-26-2010, 02:20 PM

I actually only purchased the mount because it stated in the advertisment that it had Feather Fall enabled on it. It is slower than the one I was using but that bonus made it worth the cash to me.Now that has been removed and redacted from the web page about it... how does one go about getting their money back?

Sirlutt

05-26-2010, 02:57 PM

<cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know most people bought the mount by looking at the preview window. So I think it is fair to push the particles back on which are the ones we had at launch of the mount until they were changed with Halas. I will talk to my particle guy today and get those rebuilt. Thanks for the feed back.</blockquote>Good news. Since the new "turn mount models off" setting was added, the animation seems much better <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I now feel like a Dirge running around really fast.

quetzaqotl

05-26-2010, 03:01 PM

I agree first and foremost we couldve used some dev response on the whole mystic/fury mythic nerf thread, but posting on topic I also bought the blue cat mount and I bought it when the preview window said it had reduced falling damage/featherfall either turn this effect on or make it so that people can get a refund as I bought a different object than the one that was advertised and which I wanted to buy.This is not unlike fraud, people pay money (in this case real money) for something which didnt deliver what was advertised.It's like buying a full hd tv and getting a hd ready.

Dareena

05-26-2010, 03:11 PM

<cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know most people bought the mount by looking at the preview window. So I think it is fair to push the particles back on which are the ones we had at launch of the mount until they were changed with Halas. I will talk to my particle guy today and get those rebuilt. Thanks for the feed back.</blockquote>Thank you for the quick and reasonable response about this issue.

quetzaqotl

05-26-2010, 03:28 PM

he didnt respond to the featherfall issue tho featherfall>pompomfeet

Uncaged

05-26-2010, 03:50 PM

<cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know most people bought the mount by looking at the preview window. So I think it is fair to push the particles back on which are the ones we had at launch of the mount until they were changed with Halas. I will talk to my particle guy today and get those rebuilt. Thanks for the feed back.</blockquote>Thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. As far as the Feather Fall issue, I bought a cat on the first day live and had already read via forums that it wasn't on them. If it gets added later, wonderful. If not, all I really want is what I looked at on the SC window. Sounds like that is going to happen. Gratz SOE for quick response.

Loendar

05-26-2010, 04:21 PM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know most people bought the mount by looking at the preview window. So I think it is fair to push the particles back on which are the ones we had at launch of the mount until they were changed with Halas. I will talk to my particle guy today and get those rebuilt. Thanks for the feed back.</blockquote>Thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />. As far as the Feather Fall issue, I bought a cat on the first day live and had already read via forums that it wasn't on them. If it gets added later, wonderful. If not, all I really want is what I looked at on the SC window. Sounds like that is going to happen. Gratz SOE for quick response.</blockquote>I read the information when it was announced (I want to say I even got an e-mail about it that also stated it had featherfall) and had no reason until now to come back and see if I was the only one finding it featherfall-less. So, to me, it is a much larger issue than the pretty colored feet as I wouldn't have bought the mount at all if it didn't have featherfall that was advertised.

Dareena

05-26-2010, 04:37 PM

I feel for you. But SOE's main arguement is that the Featherfall note never appeared on the SC mount when it was listed on the Marketplace. Nor on the bought item that appeared in your character's inventory. That's their official out for having incorrect promo information.I know that's really not a satisfying answer, but that's where things are. Besides it was the Featherfall issue that caused the bulk of the unrest over added mounts via SC, so I doubt that SOE is going to add it on at a later date.

Loendar

05-26-2010, 04:41 PM

<cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>I feel for you. But SOE's main arguement is that the Featherfall note never appeared on the SC mount when it was listed on the Marketplace. Nor on the bought item that appeared in your character's inventory. That's their official out for having incorrect promo information.I know that's really not a satisfying answer, but that's where things are. Besides it was the Featherfall issue that caused the bulk of the unrest over added mounts via SC, so I doubt that SOE is going to add it on at a later date.</blockquote>If they aren't going to add it (which is their option clearly) then I would expect refunds to be offered to those of us that purchased it under a false premise.Honestly, having never had a mount with featherfall on it previously I didn't know it was going to show up on the inspect information so that isn't really an out for them. I sorta figured that it was an innate ability of the mount as advertised.

Brook

05-26-2010, 04:53 PM

<cite>vexrm wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>vexrm wrote:</cite><blockquote>Working in a programming field, adding feather fall to these mounts would take a month maybe more of coding and testing.That's why it wasn't just added. It really is not that simple.Having said that, I AM disappointed that it is not there. I can't speak for the refunds as I did not buy one and thus am not effected by that.The rest of the points above me? I completely agree with. We have too many SOE folks not paying attention and small issues keep seeping through. The mounts have been a PR bomb and it's a shame. I would imagine the devs all knew how they would divide the community and having all the issues with them hasn't helped that fact.</blockquote>how can you work "in a programming field" and not understand object oriented behavior that feather fall is most likely a 1 bit switch that can be turned on and off by some intern and put it in the next live nerf patch. An intern is probably handling these things which is why the SC mount is yet to be what $OE says it will.What i am disappointed about is this SC mount has gotten more dev response than any other thread on these forums, and many other threads have much greater merit.</blockquote>Are you serious? A one bit switch? Man, I laugh at this if you think that's all it takes. First you are assuming that they coded the feather fall as a seperate object that can be added to anything. That might be the case, I don't know what their code looks like, but I'm assuming it's spaghetti string by now as all code becomes.Let's assume you're right and it really IS that easy and that this is the highest priority thing to do.So you get the request in. Let's say smoke jumper goes to rothgar and goes "Okay we NEED this today."Rothgar will code the change, if it's simple it might take an hour or so to get the right code up, get the change in, and do a basic test.Then the code is in and it needs built in an internal test machine. That's a few hours there.Internal QA looks at it, tests it out a bit, and passes it. One day is gone.Then it goes into the next hot fix on the server.So that's a week.Then some strange bug occurs that if you're in Dark Light Woods using a certian video card your cat mount will suddenly appear upside down.Seriously, testing takes time. To do this right I'd give it a month before we get it. It's not just "bam it's fixed." Users that expect it to be done in an hour or less because it's such a simple change make my life hell. We rush that simple change through and suddenly something even worse is broken.I respect their decision to go "Sorry, mistake." and not rush a change through development. I don't agree with the no refunds, but to go "it's a simple bit switch" is just showing your ignorance of the development lifecycle and how complicated and messed up programming can be.</blockquote>Everything they need to do it is already there. If you wear a cloak with featherfall such as the Assassin masters cloak and you ride a mount you can jump off a cliff and featherfall while on the mount.Remember when they released those ugly bear mounts? You didn't even need a cloak to featherfall till they caught on that it was doing it and changed it, so the coding is already there for it and it really is just a matter of them turning the feature on.

Kiara

05-26-2010, 04:56 PM

<cite>Loendar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I actually only purchased the mount because it stated in the advertisment that it had Feather Fall enabled on it. It is slower than the one I was using but that bonus made it worth the cash to me.Now that has been removed and redacted from the web page about it... how does one go about getting their money back?</blockquote>You'll need to contact CS. In-game via /petition would be the best option.

Loendar

05-26-2010, 04:59 PM

<cite>Kiara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Loendar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I actually only purchased the mount because it stated in the advertisment that it had Feather Fall enabled on it. It is slower than the one I was using but that bonus made it worth the cash to me.Now that has been removed and redacted from the web page about it... how does one go about getting their money back?</blockquote>You'll need to contact CS. In-game via /petition would be the best option.</blockquote>I'll do so - thanks. When they tell me they don't offer refunds for Station Cash items should I point them somewhere specifically? Because I'm pretty sure that's what I can expect without some Dev or other SOE person stating implicitly that refunds can be offered. ;p

CoLD MeTaL

05-26-2010, 06:38 PM

<cite>vexrm wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>...</cite>Seriously, testing takes time. To do this right I'd give it a month before we get it. It's not just "bam it's fixed." Users that expect it to be done in an hour or less because it's such a simple change make my life hell. We rush that simple change through and suddenly something even worse is broken....</blockquote>If you think they do full regression testing on every change, you need to review their history a little bit. And yes I am completely familiar with 'those quick little changes', and the subsequent ZOMG! IF Feather fall isn't a bit switch like run speed would be an int or short int, then they should find new talent.

Loendar

05-26-2010, 06:45 PM

<cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>vexrm wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>...</cite>Seriously, testing takes time. To do this right I'd give it a month before we get it. It's not just "bam it's fixed." Users that expect it to be done in an hour or less because it's such a simple change make my life hell. We rush that simple change through and suddenly something even worse is broken....</blockquote>If you think they do full regression testing on every change, you need to review their history a little bit. And yes I am completely familiar with 'those quick little changes', and the subsequent ZOMG! IF Feather fall isn't a bit switch like run speed would be an int or short int, then they should find new talent.</blockquote>And considering some mounts DO have featherfall on them it would seem that the code on the mount object already exists.

trovan2

05-26-2010, 10:30 PM

<cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite><blockquote>We're not doing anything now that we didn't do previously. This is a "no change" change except that the models are cool and unique. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>That, Sir, is a blatant lie and you should be ashamed of yourself. The change of these mounts is that in marketplace ALL items are simply fluff pets, cosmetic changes, or appearance armor.These mounts are actually USEFUL in the game! Not only do they apply mount speed (useful in any pve or pvp encounter), but other statistics too! The stats may not seem large, but in low level PvP/PvE it makes a huge difference.I never liked the idea of Station Cash (I think my subscription money should pay for the entire game, not be told I have to pay more money in addition to what I do already), but I eventually accepted it since it offered only cosmetic items (besides the EXP potions, which Im still sore about). The addition of these mounts simply enrages me and I feel like SOE has backhanded slapped me.First SOE states that in-game items will not be available for real life cash, then SOE comes out with station cash and says no useful items will be added to marketplace. What is SOE's 'official' announcment now? "Do not worry, if your not rich you can eventually earn the same items."I also find it very amusing how THIS thread has gotten at least ten times as many posts from Devs as other USEFUL threads that REQUIRE attention.I pay for two accounts, but from seeing this canceled one. If things like this continue I will cancel my last account left. Warcraft may not have a game as good, but at least Blizzard is more honest.I predict many other USEFUL gear/items in SC a year from now. Can't wait for PvP/Mark/Shard gear? "Available for at least a month, Mark and Shard gear now available on marketplace for those that want to get right into the battle!"

Te'ana

05-26-2010, 10:35 PM

I only spent my stash of SC funds on this because It was supposed to be truly heirloom, not attunable heirloom. I was really disappointed when I looked at my purchase today. I have been out of the country for only 2 days and see what happened when I left! I am glad this will be fixed Sometime Soon (tm), but upset that I had to wade through several days of posts to see what happened and that it was intended to be fixed.

Jakkyll

05-27-2010, 01:17 AM

well, since it seems to be set in stone that Stat items are on the market place to stay, could I recommend that all SC gear be made Heirloom and NOT attunable?if we are going to have to blow cash on gear then we should be able to switch that gear between characters on the same account.I don't approve of the Stats on SC items, but looks like we are being shoved asside, as a Crusader from pre DoF days I should be used to being ignored anyway . . .

Elorah

05-28-2010, 10:32 AM

I would like to say that I LOVE the purring noise that these Kitties make!

quetzaqotl

05-28-2010, 11:34 AM

I sent in a petition bc of the no featherfall issue got a response back that they don't do refunds they only allow me to exchange the mount for other items in the marketplace worth 2500 sc.That's complete crap for lack of a better word, falsely advertising an item and when you want your money back they say just exchange it for something else in the store.I wonder if this is illegal tbh.

Rijacki

05-28-2010, 11:43 AM

<cite>quetzaqotl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I sent in a petition bc of the no featherfall issue got a response back that they don't do refunds they only allow me to exchange the mount for other items in the marketplace worth 2500 sc.That's complete crap for lack of a better word, falsely advertising an item and when you want your money back they say just exchange it for something else in the store.I wonder if this is illegal tbh.</blockquote>Retailers all the time have "no return, exchange only" policies.There are also disclaimers about adverts not being accurate with a "safety" margin that favours the retailer.The item itself never had Featherfall, no feather fall written on the item itself. If you bought it with an expectation of feather fall because you didn't look at the item itself, only the advert, then I doubt you could claim it was a bait and switch.However.. if you wanted to go to the bother of it, SOE's EQ2 development is California, and you could take them to small claims court over it: <a href="http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/smallclaims/" target="_blank">http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/smallclaims/</a>

quetzaqotl

05-28-2010, 12:36 PM

I'm almost 100% sure the item in question had the description it reduced falling damage when I inspected it in the marketplace.Next to the advertisement saying it was going to have featherfall, I'm sure I stand in my right maybe in the US the company comes before the customer overe here it's the other way around (as it should be). At least they should refund my station cash instead of forcing me to buy a mushroom head and a fishsword and a broomstick to go with it within 72hrs all items I have no interest in whatsoever.But thanks anyway phoenix wright

KerowynnKaotic

05-30-2010, 04:25 PM

<cite>quetzaqotl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm almost 100% sure the item in question had the description it reduced falling damage when I inspected it in the marketplace.*snipped*</blockquote>nope ..Got <a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4625239376_cec42941fd_o.jpg" target="_blank">THIS</a> link of item pixs from page 12 of this huge mofo of a thread on the 1st day.None of the items have reduced falling damage on it. It was only listed on EQ2players as such.

Vortexelemental

05-30-2010, 05:11 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>quetzaqotl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm almost 100% sure the item in question had the description it reduced falling damage when I inspected it in the marketplace.*snipped*</blockquote>nope ..Got <a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4625239376_cec42941fd_o.jpg" target="_blank">THIS</a> link of item pixs from page 12 of this huge mofo of a thread on the 1st day.None of the items have reduced falling damage on it. It was only listed on EQ2players as such.</blockquote>Only?You know in retail that's called false advertising and can get a company in a lot of trouble. I know that we have to honor whatever our flyer says unless we catch the error and make sufficient note of it where the item is located and at the register.We also have to honor any price tags that remain up on the shelf even if expired.Honestly for putting something like that on the article and not putting it into game... SoE got off scott free.

quetzaqotl

05-30-2010, 06:07 PM

Hmm I could swear I read it online in the marketplace either on the item or in the description window to the right.They should give us, the people who bought the mount on false promises (or at least promises they didnt/couldnt keep), a refund but supposedly they can't do that (?) which is quite weird tbh gonna keep the ticket open I want a refund I have no use of buying a stupid mushroom hat etc.thanks for the snippet Mia Fey glad to see the devs got some legal backing heh this is so customer unfriendly... but hey it's SOE.

Orlac

05-30-2010, 07:20 PM

Can someone post a link to where is says Featherfall?

Elorah

05-30-2010, 08:15 PM

<cite>Orlac wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can someone post a link to where is says Featherfall?</blockquote>I believe it was originally in the announcement on Eq2players that had it listed. However, Smokejumper can in and said that was a mistake since featherfall was never supposed to be on them. Then it was removed...

Calthine

05-30-2010, 09:29 PM

<cite>Elorah wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Orlac wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can someone post a link to where is says Featherfall?</blockquote>I believe it was originally in the announcement on Eq2players that had it listed. However, Smokejumper can in and said that was a mistake since featherfall was never supposed to be on them. Then it was removed...</blockquote>*nod* the featherfall bit was up for less than a working day.

SilverMoth

05-30-2010, 11:20 PM

any possibility of getting a mount thats a bit more girlish? im not saying pink and sparkly but one that isnt so warish and clad in armor. (and not a horse!)

Jakkyll

06-01-2010, 07:39 AM

Normally you would have a claim for false advertising, but since you don't actually "OWN" any of it, there is nothing a court can do.if you read the EULA it states in leagalese that all your stuff in game is the intelectual and digital property of SoE. That's why you can't sell accounts or plat with out it being a crime.now, that being said, if you live in China or Korea (I forget weather it's N, S or what ever, the Comunist one) then you DO own you digital property, but the EULA for there states that all things are subject to change with out notice, so still no case, that and the fact that the mount is USA only . . .sheesh

Birna

06-02-2010, 02:41 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>quetzaqotl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm almost 100% sure the item in question had the description it reduced falling damage when I inspected it in the marketplace.*snipped*</blockquote>nope ..Got <a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4625239376_cec42941fd_o.jpg" target="_blank">THIS</a> link of item pixs from page 12 of this huge mofo of a thread on the 1st day.None of the items have reduced falling damage on it. It was only listed on EQ2players as such.</blockquote>Only?You know in retail that's called false advertising and can get a company in a lot of trouble. I know that we have to honor whatever our flyer says unless we catch the error and make sufficient note of it where the item is located and at the register.We also have to honor any price tags that remain up on the shelf even if expired.Honestly for putting something like that on the article and not putting it into game... SoE got off scott free.</blockquote>Yeah. I must say I got pretty mad as featherfall was one (big) reason why I decided to buy this pricy mount. Reduced falling dmg matters in pvp. What's said/done is said/done and they should stick with it, or else it IS false advertising as people aren't getting what they payed for!

Calthine

06-02-2010, 04:01 AM

<cite>Birna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. I must say I got pretty mad as featherfall was one (big) reason why I decided to buy this pricy mount. Reduced falling dmg matters in pvp. What's said/done is said/done and they should stick with it, or else it IS false advertising as people aren't getting what they payed for!</blockquote>Alas, it is not false advertising when they issued a correction.

Birna

06-02-2010, 05:45 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Birna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. I must say I got pretty mad as featherfall was one (big) reason why I decided to buy this pricy mount. Reduced falling dmg matters in pvp. What's said/done is said/done and they should stick with it, or else it IS false advertising as people aren't getting what they payed for!</blockquote>Alas, it is not false advertising when they issued a correction.</blockquote>not until after I had bought the mount

KerowynnKaotic

06-02-2010, 10:17 AM

<cite>rna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Birna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. I must say I got pretty mad as featherfall was one (big) reason why I decided to buy this pricy mount. Reduced falling dmg matters in pvp. What's said/done is said/done and they should stick with it, or else it IS false advertising as people aren't getting what they payed for!</blockquote>Alas, it is not false advertising when they issued a correction.</blockquote>not until after I had bought the mount</blockquote>Why did you buy it, then? 'Cause it didn't have Featherfall listed on ithe Mount itself. Did you look at the item or just assume it was there? Buyer Beware isn't just a saying, you know. And, actually it was False Advertising but the Mounts themselves state exactly what they contain. So, the Advertisement was there to get you interested but the Truth in Labeling, so to speak, was there stating exactly what you were buying. It's up to the consumer to make informed decisions, regardless of what the 'car salesman' is saying ..But, you can /petition and I believe it was stated earlier in this mofo of a thread that you can get $25 worth of SC in exchange instead. Of 'course that was stated by a player as their only option given to them when they got their petition answered not by a SOE employee so again .. you'd have to take that with a grain of salt as to whether or not that was true.

msheaf

06-02-2010, 12:21 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>quetzaqotl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I sent in a petition bc of the no featherfall issue got a response back that they don't do refunds they only allow me to exchange the mount for other items in the marketplace worth 2500 sc.That's complete crap for lack of a better word, falsely advertising an item and when you want your money back they say just exchange it for something else in the store.I wonder if this is illegal tbh.</blockquote>Retailers all the time have "no return, exchange only" policies.There are also disclaimers about adverts not being accurate with a "safety" margin that favours the retailer.The item itself never had Featherfall, no feather fall written on the item itself. If you bought it with an expectation of feather fall because you didn't look at the item itself, only the advert, then I doubt you could claim it was a bait and switch.However.. if you wanted to go to the bother of it, SOE's EQ2 development is California, and you could take them to small claims court over it: <a href="http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/smallclaims/" target="_blank">http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/smallclaims/</a></blockquote>If you bought the SC via credit card you can contact the issuer and file a charge back. The downside to this is once SOE gets it they may cancel your account.They really should give refunds to anyone who bought on at the beginning under the impression of it having safefall. It's not like you are going to return a used good to them that has almost no resale value. It's simply good customer relations to do this.

loramil

06-02-2010, 12:32 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>rna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Birna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. I must say I got pretty mad as featherfall was one (big) reason why I decided to buy this pricy mount. Reduced falling dmg matters in pvp. What's said/done is said/done and they should stick with it, or else it IS false advertising as people aren't getting what they payed for!</blockquote>Alas, it is not false advertising when they issued a correction.</blockquote>not until after I had bought the mount</blockquote>Why did you buy it, then? 'Cause it didn't have Featherfall listed on ithe Mount itself. Did you look at the item or just assume it was there? Buyer Beware isn't just a saying, you know. And, actually it was False Advertising but the Mounts themselves state exactly what they contain. So, the Advertisement was there to get you interested but the Truth in Labeling, so to speak, was there stating exactly what you were buying. It's up to the consumer to make informed decisions, regardless of what the 'car salesman' is saying ..But, you can /petition and I believe it was stated earlier in this mofo of a thread that you can get $25 worth of SC in exchange instead. Of 'course that was stated by a player as their only option given to them when they got their petition answered not by a SOE employee so again .. you'd have to take that with a grain of salt as to whether or not that was true.</blockquote>That's fairly close to the definition of 'Bait and Switch'. You're advertising a 'feature' (as opposed to a low price point) as a means of inducing someone to purchase an item. Now someone walks into the store (the SC Exchange in this case) and looks at the item and it DOESN"T have the feature you advertised it with. The only thing that would let you off the hook is that it's also requried that the action be Willfull.

KerowynnKaotic

06-02-2010, 01:31 PM

<cite>Loramil@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>rna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Birna wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. I must say I got pretty mad as featherfall was one (big) reason why I decided to buy this pricy mount. Reduced falling dmg matters in pvp. What's said/done is said/done and they should stick with it, or else it IS false advertising as people aren't getting what they payed for!</blockquote>Alas, it is not false advertising when they issued a correction.</blockquote>not until after I had bought the mount</blockquote>Why did you buy it, then? 'Cause it didn't have Featherfall listed on ithe Mount itself. Did you look at the item or just assume it was there? Buyer Beware isn't just a saying, you know. And, actually it was False Advertising but the Mounts themselves state exactly what they contain. So, the Advertisement was there to get you interested but the Truth in Labeling, so to speak, was there stating exactly what you were buying. It's up to the consumer to make informed decisions, regardless of what the 'car salesman' is saying ..*snipped for space*</blockquote>That's fairly close to the definition of 'Bait and Switch'. You're advertising a 'feature' (as opposed to a low price point) as a means of inducing someone to purchase an item. Now someone walks into the store (the SC Exchange in this case) and looks at the item and it DOESN"T have the feature you advertised it with. The only thing that would let you off the hook is that it's also requried that the action be Willfull.</blockquote>It's actually iffy .. since the advertisement saying it had Featherfall was only up for a short time, in comparision to the proposed 30 days. They did correct themselves very quickly after the error was brought to their attention.Bait & switch is where they advertise one thing, say they are all out of it and show you something 'comparable' and yet still run the original advertisment. SOE corrected their 'ad'. The only reason people still know about it is 'cause people keep bringing it up. The person that logged on, what 4-5 hours?, after this released & after the Ad was corrected, made the decision to buy based on the stats/run speed/looks & price value. Which is the way it should have been even with the Featherfall advert. Never buy something in hopes they'll fix/change it. Only buy it after they have or if it still holds value to you in its current form.I notice no one is complaining that they fixed the item to be Heirloom instead of being forever locked to that one character. Though, they still need to fix the 'attunable' part, which they have already said was fixed, we're just waiting for another hotfix. Though technically they didn't have to change it, even if it was supposed to be Heirloom when they decided on releasing them, since it went out No Trade, they could have easily just left it that way.All in All .. it might have brought them in some decent cash but not one of their most smoothest 'launches' ..

Sunflower

06-04-2010, 08:49 PM

Will they offer mounts again on the Marketplace once the Prowlers are taken off? I can't say I really like the look of the Prowlers.

Jakkyll

06-05-2010, 09:15 AM

they sure look better than the Portable Nausea-Inducing Pollution Machine (the tinkered hover disk)

misskitt

06-05-2010, 10:58 AM

With very little run speed, i don't think its worth $25.And for the love of everything thats good, when can i get a fast OBVIOUSLY pink mount (since updated clothes are out of the question im sure)? Something like the new blue mount.. its so bright. I, and countless others, would love something like that in a more girly color like pink. Its one thing for the clothing selection to suck in this game, but another for the mounts. Can the girls PLEASE get something worthwhile? We do still play this game, you know. Thanks!

Alvane

06-05-2010, 02:28 PM

<cite>Sunflower wrote:</cite><blockquote>Will they offer mounts again on the Marketplace once the Prowlers are taken off? I can't say I really like the look of the Prowlers.</blockquote>You can bet your sweet bippie on that because the marketplace is a hot spot for income producing items. SoE will analysis what type of goods are popular choices, then enhance that. If they did well on the $25 mount, expect more flashy fluff to come your way. Then you can get excited about the new look of the new mount and spend $25 on it before it gets replaced by something else to excite your fancy.A biz is only run by fools if it can't increase its income over time.

Vortexelemental

06-05-2010, 03:44 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's actually iffy .. since the advertisement saying it had Featherfall was only up for a short time, in comparision to the proposed 30 days. They did correct themselves very quickly after the error was brought to their attention.Bait & switch is where they advertise one thing, say they are all out of it and show you something 'comparable' and yet still run the original advertisment. SOE corrected their 'ad'. The only reason people still know about it is 'cause people keep bringing it up. The person that logged on, what 4-5 hours?, after this released & after the Ad was corrected, made the decision to buy based on the stats/run speed/looks & price value. Which is the way it should have been even with the Featherfall advert. Never buy something in hopes they'll fix/change it. Only buy it after they have or if it still holds value to you in its current form.I notice no one is complaining that they fixed the item to be Heirloom instead of being forever locked to that one character. Though, they still need to fix the 'attunable' part, which they have already said was fixed, we're just waiting for another hotfix. Though technically they didn't have to change it, even if it was supposed to be Heirloom when they decided on releasing them, since it went out No Trade, they could have easily just left it that way.All in All .. it might have brought them in some decent cash but not one of their most smoothest 'launches' ..</blockquote>Heh...just 4-5 hours? That's a long time. Working retail I see far worse representations, scams, everything you can think of really. All trying to play the system.Seems weird to me SoE gets away with everything where in retail the customer gets everything.I am often told to just give deals to customers so the store won't get complaints.Besides the fact no one ever reads the flier correctly or the ad tags and expects we give them the deal they thought it was even though that's ...not the deal.

Mystfit

06-08-2010, 12:55 PM

Have they readded the purple mist to the prowlers?<img src="http://www.jklm.net/st-auction/images/eq2purple.jpg" width="741" height="539" />I see nothing and only small puffs when I run. My daughter says she sees some sparkles when I run that I don't see at all:<img src="http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6449/sparkles.png" width="169" height="174" />

Dareena

06-08-2010, 12:58 PM

Good question about the SC mounts. Covic had responded in the Mounts thread that he was going to have the particle effects restored, but it hasn't been done yet. I was going to see if they had been taken care of in today's Hotfix. With the holiday weekend affecting last week, I was going to cut him a bit of slack. But if they're not fixed today, I'm going to send him a PM reminder. It might help if a bunch of us did the same.

Purr

06-10-2010, 08:18 PM

Heirloom doesn't do any good if you play on several servers... Make it one per char already, please!

Vortexelemental

06-12-2010, 07:33 PM

Considering Netlfix is 8.99$ a month for 1 movie out at a time and unlimited streaming...25$ for a single mount...that's 10$ over our current subscription model price...How is that a *micro* transaction?That's quite a *macro* transaction in my book.

Guy De Alsace

06-12-2010, 08:39 PM

They made a big deal about how awesome this mount was but I'm sorry, it may look good in WOW but in EQ2 its decidedly low res. The texture on the body is low rez, there's hardly any definition in the skin tone, the crappy particles are that..crappy. The animation is poor too.Why people went into raptures over this I'm really flummoxed.If you want a mount worthy of just what EQ2 is capable of, simply look at the Cavalry mounts. Detail, definition and a good animation. A mount that looks good, feels good to ride and fits in with the overall detail level of the game. The Prowler looked like someone riding a WOW mount in an EQ2 game.I'm sure Covic and co worked a lot on this but rule number one is dont downplay what EQ2 can do simply so it looks like WOW. The engine in EQ2 is on an entirely different level to WOW. Use it and push the limits - dont push low quality on us.Just my 2p.

Calthine

06-12-2010, 10:12 PM

<cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite><blockquote>They made a big deal about how awesome this mount was but I'm sorry, it may look good in WOW but in EQ2 its decidedly low res. The texture on the body is low rez, there's hardly any definition in the skin tone, the crappy particles are that..crappy. The animation is poor too.</blockquote>Dunno what you're looking at, but my Prowler looks awesome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Wullail

06-13-2010, 02:14 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite><blockquote>They made a big deal about how awesome this mount was but I'm sorry, it may look good in WOW but in EQ2 its decidedly low res. The texture on the body is low rez, there's hardly any definition in the skin tone, the crappy particles are that..crappy. The animation is poor too.</blockquote>Dunno what you're looking at, but my Prowler looks awesome <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Me neither....this is my illusionists mount in my normal playing resolution..<img src="http://linkmaster.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cat1.jpg" />Unless he runs the game in the lowest possible resolution (my raid resolution) , then it looks 'washed out'.<img src="http://linkmaster.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cat2.jpg" width="428" height="474" />But then , everything does at that setting.

Vortexelemental

06-13-2010, 02:37 AM

I just want to know why it's price is so high.It really just seems overpriced, what's the basis for pricing?Is it really just to cause artifical rarity like one of the devs said?If so that's just kind of silly.

Uncaged

06-13-2010, 03:43 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just want to know why it's price is so high.It really just seems overpriced, what's the basis for pricing?Is it really just to cause artifical rarity like one of the devs said?If so that's just kind of silly.</blockquote>With all due respect, what is kinda silly is your continued posting across 59 pages regarding the price point of the mount. Seriously, It is what it is. 1. Available for a limited time 2. $20.00 american. 3. Not gonna change. If you truly feel it is not a good deal/worth it then don't purchase it. But to come on these forums and continue to rail against the price is insane.Definition being: Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In a pseudo capatalist system, let demand determine price. I see a lot of these things on my server so I figure $20.00 is just fine. Matter of fact if they sold too good, SOE might raise it next time. If it is too high for you then don't buy it. Period.

Vortexelemental

06-13-2010, 04:36 PM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just want to know why it's price is so high.It really just seems overpriced, what's the basis for pricing?Is it really just to cause artifical rarity like one of the devs said?If so that's just kind of silly.</blockquote>With all due respect, what is kinda silly is your continued posting across 59 pages regarding the price point of the mount. Seriously, It is what it is. 1. Available for a limited time 2. $20.00 american. 3. Not gonna change. If you truly feel it is not a good deal/worth it then don't purchase it. But to come on these forums and continue to rail against the price is insane.Definition being: Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In a pseudo capatalist system, let demand determine price. I see a lot of these things on my server so I figure $20.00 is just fine. Matter of fact if they sold too good, SOE might raise it next time. If it is too high for you then don't buy it. Period.</blockquote>1. Yes a limited time to cause people to buy it up quickly. 2. 25$ american. 3. No, Just a gigantic free cash flow.Raising the price would be humorous I feel bad for any sucker giving 30$ for an item that costs probably 300$ or so dollars in dev time to make for a 10,000% profit margin.Sure, wanting them to make more money so the game is better is nice.But do I want to be ripped off on something so trivial as a mount just for it's appearance?Especially when it will be replaced with a new one as soon as it goes away?Sorry don't want my new subscription model to be 40$ a month. 15 for the game and 25 for a new mount each month.

Uncaged

06-13-2010, 04:58 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just want to know why it's price is so high.It really just seems overpriced, what's the basis for pricing?Is it really just to cause artifical rarity like one of the devs said?If so that's just kind of silly.</blockquote>With all due respect, what is kinda silly is your continued posting across 59 pages regarding the price point of the mount. Seriously, It is what it is. 1. Available for a limited time 2. $20.00 american. 3. Not gonna change. If you truly feel it is not a good deal/worth it then don't purchase it. But to come on these forums and continue to rail against the price is insane.Definition being: Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In a pseudo capatalist system, let demand determine price. I see a lot of these things on my server so I figure $20.00 is just fine. Matter of fact if they sold too good, SOE might raise it next time. If it is too high for you then don't buy it. Period.</blockquote>1. Yes a limited time to cause people to buy it up quickly. 2. 25$ american. 3. No, Just a gigantic free cash flow.Raising the price would be humorous I feel bad for any sucker giving 30$ for an item that costs probably 300$ or so dollars in dev time to make for a 10,000% profit margin.Sure, wanting them to make more money so the game is better is nice.But do I want to be ripped off on something so trivial as a mount just for it's appearance?Especially when it will be replaced with a new one as soon as it goes away?Sorry don't want my new subscription model to be 40$ a month. 15 for the game and 25 for a new mount each month.</blockquote>Well, not wanting a $40 dollar subscription per month model is a good thought on your part. But you have it all wrong. You have some options: 1. EQII goes away forever 2. monthly sub goes up to $20 or $25 a month 3. You allow the Dev.'s to try and make a buck on items that are not game changers and *YOU* are not obligated to buy.It seems to me that I would much prefer them to try and make money on people willing to pay it, than to force the masses to pay a higher monthly sub.. Are you honestly telling me you think people are required to buy a new $25 mount each month? There was no gun to my head. Not that I recall anyway.All you have to do is look on those websites selling LoN loot cards to see what the *real* market is for these type of items. Some LoN loot mounts go for over $400.00. Ohhhsss noooeessss. Now your monthly sub will be $415.00 a month. Come on now........really!@! Not to mention, did you ever consider that this is a way for SOE to combat said websites that sell those LoN cards and other such items. If you can get a coolo appearance mount from SOE for $25 dollars, it kinda destroys the thought of someone wanting to pay $400 through another site.Rather than all the knee jerk reactions I've read across 60 pages now, could we please think out responses before crying wolf here?

Vortexelemental

06-13-2010, 05:19 PM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just want to know why it's price is so high.It really just seems overpriced, what's the basis for pricing?Is it really just to cause artifical rarity like one of the devs said?If so that's just kind of silly.</blockquote>With all due respect, what is kinda silly is your continued posting across 59 pages regarding the price point of the mount. Seriously, It is what it is. 1. Available for a limited time 2. $20.00 american. 3. Not gonna change. If you truly feel it is not a good deal/worth it then don't purchase it. But to come on these forums and continue to rail against the price is insane.Definition being: Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In a pseudo capatalist system, let demand determine price. I see a lot of these things on my server so I figure $20.00 is just fine. Matter of fact if they sold too good, SOE might raise it next time. If it is too high for you then don't buy it. Period.</blockquote>1. Yes a limited time to cause people to buy it up quickly. 2. 25$ american. 3. No, Just a gigantic free cash flow.Raising the price would be humorous I feel bad for any sucker giving 30$ for an item that costs probably 300$ or so dollars in dev time to make for a 10,000% profit margin.Sure, wanting them to make more money so the game is better is nice.But do I want to be ripped off on something so trivial as a mount just for it's appearance?Especially when it will be replaced with a new one as soon as it goes away?Sorry don't want my new subscription model to be 40$ a month. 15 for the game and 25 for a new mount each month.</blockquote>Well, not wanting a $40 dollar subscription per month model is a good thought on your part. But you have it all wrong. You have some options: 1. EQII goes away forever 2. monthly sub goes up to $20 or $25 a month 3. You allow the Dev.'s to try and make a buck on items that are not game changers and *YOU* are not obligated to buy.It seems to me that I would much prefer them to try and make money on people willing to pay it, than to force the masses to pay a higher monthly sub.. Are you honestly telling me you think people are required to buy a new $25 mount each month? There was no gun to my head. Not that I recall anyway.All you have to do is look on those websites selling LoN loot cards to see what the *real* market is for these type of items. Some LoN loot mounts go for over $400.00. Ohhhsss noooeessss. Now your monthly sub will be $415.00 a month. Come on now........really!@! Not to mention, did you ever consider that this is a way for SOE to combat said websites that sell those LoN cards and other such items. If you can get a coolo appearance mount from SOE for $25 dollars, it kinda destroys the thought of someone wanting to pay $400 through another site.Rather than all the knee jerk reactions I've read across 60 pages now, could we please think out responses before crying wolf here?</blockquote>Kneejerk responses?Not really sure how that even applies.I would gladly pay 25$ a month if I got everything in game and didn't have to pay for any macro-transactions.These items are game changers, they are content that is not available to me despite paying to have access to said content.We will never escape the free to play model since it is already here, despite us still paying a subscription.I don't hate SoE, I could care less what they do.But introducing more and more items for extra free money and barring some people from owning them is just silly.Why should I pay for access to this game if I Don't have access to all of it?

Calthine

06-13-2010, 06:07 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>But introducing more and more items for extra free money and barring some people from owning them is just silly.Why should I pay for access to this game if I Don't have access to all of it?</blockquote>What content do you not have access to? You cannot get some 99% fluff items unless you buy them via the Marketplace. You are not barred from any content by not having those items.

Fyranaer

06-13-2010, 06:33 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>But introducing more and more items for extra free money and barring some people from owning them is just silly.Why should I pay for access to this game if I Don't have access to all of it?</blockquote>What content do you not have access to? You cannot get some 99% fluff items unless you buy them via the Marketplace. You are not barred from any content by not having those items.</blockquote>Agreed, the argument of limited access is a bogus one. I can get run speed buffs and quality mounts through game play. In fact that is what I love so much about the Marketplace; it lets me add fun stuff to my game and choose how much extra I would like to donate to development of my game.With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. $25 is a pretty decent chunk of cash for many people and sweetening the deal for players would go a long way to engendering good will for RMT and cash shops. In fact I really wish any housing item, cosmetic fluff, mounts or similar were a one per character deal. I think it would add real value.

Uncaged

06-13-2010, 06:48 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Kneejerk responses?Not really sure how that even applies.I would gladly pay 25$ a month if I got everything in game and didn't have to pay for any macro-transactions.These items are game changers, they are content that is not available to me despite paying to have access to said content.We will never escape the free to play model since it is already here, despite us still paying a subscription.I don't hate SoE, I could care less what they do.But introducing more and more items for extra free money and barring some people from owning them is just silly.Why should I pay for access to this game if I Don't have access to all of it?</blockquote>Well, firstly, I never said you hated SOE. Secondly, I applaud you if you are willing to pay $25/month to have access to pots, purple hats, and furniture. I however am not willing to pay $25/month for that crap. No offense to those who like it but I would prefer to have a lower monthly sub and access to the frills if I want them.It is really no different than buying a new car. If you want leather, DVD, etc., you pay for it. It doesn't mean you still don't own a Chevy Tahoe, you just have to pay for the fluff. You are still playing EQII, you just have to pay more if you want a purple hat. Seems pretty simple to me. As far as content, you have access to it all.Honestly, the best way you can get your voice heard is to just not buy anything on SC. I don't even care if you encourage others to not do so. But the incesant whining about the cost is old. Bottom line is if the crap didn't sell, they wouldn't make more.

Senya

06-13-2010, 06:49 PM

<cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. </blockquote>I agree with this 100%. I'd have bought it if it had been 1 per character, but (just in my opinion) 25.00 is too much for one character. I have no complaints about marketplace, though. I've picked up several marketplace items. This just wasn't one of them.

Uncaged

06-13-2010, 07:03 PM

<cite>Senya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. </blockquote>I agree with this 100%. I'd have bought it if it had been 1 per character, but (just in my opinion) 25.00 is too much for one character. I have no complaints about marketplace, though. I've picked up several marketplace items. This just wasn't one of them.</blockquote>Congradulations to you. You are one who *gets* it. This is why SC marketplace is good. You have admitted to buying several things you felt were a fair value to you on SC. Also, you have looked at the price point/reward of the mount and decided it wasn't for you. Perfect. This is how it is supposed to work.Same as in RL. If I feel something is overpriced and don't buy it either one of two things happens. 1. A lot of people feel the same and the price gets dropped. 2. It still sells well to others and if I really want one I have to pony up the cash for it. The free market at work.Cheers to you for *getting* it.

Calthine

06-13-2010, 09:12 PM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Senya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. </blockquote>I agree with this 100%. I'd have bought it if it had been 1 per character, but (just in my opinion) 25.00 is too much for one character. I have no complaints about marketplace, though. I've picked up several marketplace items. This just wasn't one of them.</blockquote>Congradulations to you. You are one who *gets* it. This is why SC marketplace is good. You have admitted to buying several things you felt were a fair value to you on SC. Also, you have looked at the price point/reward of the mount and decided it wasn't for you. Perfect. This is how it is supposed to work.Same as in RL. If I feel something is overpriced and don't buy it either one of two things happens. 1. A lot of people feel the same and the price gets dropped. 2. It still sells well to others and if I really want one I have to pony up the cash for it. The free market at work.Cheers to you for *getting* it.</blockquote>Quoting it all as QFE <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Vortexelemental

06-14-2010, 02:58 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Senya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. </blockquote>I agree with this 100%. I'd have bought it if it had been 1 per character, but (just in my opinion) 25.00 is too much for one character. I have no complaints about marketplace, though. I've picked up several marketplace items. This just wasn't one of them.</blockquote>Congradulations to you. You are one who *gets* it. This is why SC marketplace is good. You have admitted to buying several things you felt were a fair value to you on SC. Also, you have looked at the price point/reward of the mount and decided it wasn't for you. Perfect. This is how it is supposed to work.Same as in RL. If I feel something is overpriced and don't buy it either one of two things happens. 1. A lot of people feel the same and the price gets dropped. 2. It still sells well to others and if I really want one I have to pony up the cash for it. The free market at work.Cheers to you for *getting* it.</blockquote>Quoting it all as QFE <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Sorry if I don't believe that's how it should work. Economically speaking this entire concept is a rip-off for the consumer and a cash cow for the corporation.Sure, if it was /claim 25$ would not be bad. But it's not because heirloom single mount is more revenue =)Real life is different as well because an item has a cost to make, ship etc, to a company and then a set price and/or sale price it is placed at for a certain profit margin.Generally these margins are high for regular prices and go down for sales.Items in a cash shop such as this, exclusively even in EQ2 where we have a subscription as well deal with a no cost situation.We already pay 14.99$ a month for access which obviously covers any cost associated with maintenance.Then we pay in small single time fees for small items of which have a one time cost and no such recurring cost.If the item was made with 15 hours of dev time at 20$ an hour that's 300$ dollars. Once.At 25$ an item, that's only 12 being sold to cover that cost yet more can sell and will sell.Based on how many people have posted they bought them, and I have seen in game I would say it's likely over a thousand people bought them.That's 25,000$.That's a 24,700$ profit.Perhaps I am jaded but that just seems like a punch in the face for something so small as a mount to cost 25$,10$ over our subscription to be called a *micro*-transaction.Especially when the entire point of me paying them a subscription is to access said content.Yes fluff is content, whoever said otherwise?If I need to pay 25$ a month for full access to content and I am assured my money is going to better the game in terms of realistic content improvements instead of silly short term cash cow money influx...Of course I Would.But perhaps I am just thinking too far into the situation and should stop thinking.Maybe then I could be a mindless consumer accepting anything.

Uncaged

06-14-2010, 03:19 AM

Well it seems to me, that those who are making their own decisions as to what items are worth or not are not mindless consumers. Also, you have 0 as in ZERO idea how much development time/cost went into said prowlers. Including the time/cost involved in fixing the animations after they went live for certain races.As with most envious people in a capitalist society, it is hard for you to understand the effort, work, capital involved in creating a business, product, or brand to be able to make said $24,700 on a prowler mount. I honestly could care less if SOE was making $4 dollars profit or $4,000,000/month profit. It comes down to whether I feel the game as it is currently constituted is worth $15/month to ME. Not anyone else.As it is now, I enjoy EQII as is for $15/month. If that were to change, I will cancel my sub. Not really rocket science. I don't begrudge SOE, Microsoft, Apple or any other outfit all their due success and profits. I have not produced any ideas or products that compete on their scale or ingenuity so let them have their profit.*on a side note though* I also will not give Apple $300 every time they choose to update their Iphone. But I digress......I do agree with you though. You are overthinking this whole prowler thing. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />

Vortexelemental

06-14-2010, 03:36 AM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well it seems to me, that those who are making their own decisions as to what items are worth or not are not mindless consumers. Also, you have 0 as in ZERO idea how much development time/cost went into said prowlers. Including the time/cost involved in fixing the animations after they went live for certain races.As with most envious people in a capitalist society, it is hard for you to understand the effort, work, capital involved in creating a business, product, or brand to be able to make said $24,700 on a prowler mount. I honestly could care less if SOE was making $4 dollars profit or $4,000,000/month profit. It comes down to whether I feel the game as it is currently constituted is worth $15/month to ME. Not anyone else.As it is now, I enjoy EQII as is for $15/month. If that were to change, I will cancel my sub. Not really rocket science. I don't begrudge SOE, Microsoft, Apple or any other outfit all their due success and profits. I have not produced any ideas or products that compete on their scale or ingenuity so let them have their profit.*on a side note though* I also will not give Apple $300 every time they choose to update their Iphone. But I digress......I do agree with you though. You are overthinking this whole prowler thing. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I guess I just can't accept that logic.

gourdon

06-14-2010, 08:38 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Senya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. </blockquote>I agree with this 100%. I'd have bought it if it had been 1 per character, but (just in my opinion) 25.00 is too much for one character. I have no complaints about marketplace, though. I've picked up several marketplace items. This just wasn't one of them.</blockquote>Congradulations to you. You are one who *gets* it. This is why SC marketplace is good. You have admitted to buying several things you felt were a fair value to you on SC. Also, you have looked at the price point/reward of the mount and decided it wasn't for you. Perfect. This is how it is supposed to work.Same as in RL. If I feel something is overpriced and don't buy it either one of two things happens. 1. A lot of people feel the same and the price gets dropped. 2. It still sells well to others and if I really want one I have to pony up the cash for it. The free market at work.Cheers to you for *getting* it.</blockquote>Quoting it all as QFE <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Sorry if I don't believe that's how it should work. Economically speaking this entire concept is a rip-off for the consumer and a cash cow for the corporation.Sure, if it was /claim 25$ would not be bad. But it's not because heirloom single mount is more revenue =)Real life is different as well because an item has a cost to make, ship etc, to a company and then a set price and/or sale price it is placed at for a certain profit margin.Generally these margins are high for regular prices and go down for sales.Items in a cash shop such as this, exclusively even in EQ2 where we have a subscription as well deal with a no cost situation.We already pay 14.99$ a month for access which obviously covers any cost associated with maintenance.Then we pay in small single time fees for small items of which have a one time cost and no such recurring cost.If the item was made with 15 hours of dev time at 20$ an hour that's 300$ dollars. Once.At 25$ an item, that's only 12 being sold to cover that cost yet more can sell and will sell.Based on how many people have posted they bought them, and I have seen in game I would say it's likely over a thousand people bought them.That's 25,000$.That's a 24,700$ profit.Perhaps I am jaded but that just seems like a punch in the face for something so small as a mount to cost 25$,10$ over our subscription to be called a *micro*-transaction.Especially when the entire point of me paying them a subscription is to access said content.Yes fluff is content, whoever said otherwise?If I need to pay 25$ a month for full access to content and I am assured my money is going to better the game in terms of realistic content improvements instead of silly short term cash cow money influx...Of course I Would.But perhaps I am just thinking too far into the situation and should stop thinking.Maybe then I could be a mindless consumer accepting anything.</blockquote>There are two economic principles which you aren't cognizant of that drive SOE's behavior with respect to microtransactions. Both of these principles are related to the concept of monopoly. SOE has a monopoly within their marketplace and therefore those principles apply to the extent that competitors like WoW aren't a viable alternative. This is much like pharmaceutical companies with a monopoly on a particular drug, but there is an alternative drug that might be used instead.Idon't know if you've ever seen supply and demand curves before, so I will describe them as well as an important principle that matters to monopolists. The supply/demand model is simplistic and doesn't take into account perceptions about product quality associated with price. The supply curve is just the principle that the lower the price, the larger number of customers will purchase your product. The demand curve assumes that you can't change production capacity in a meaningful way. It assumes you're at least at optimum capacity and might be inclined to produce more. It all boils down to there will be more motivation to produce as prices go up. The supply and demand curves more or less look like an "X" and meet in the middle. Price is going down while volume goes up for demand and price is going up while volume goes up for supply. The price hovers somewhere near the crossing of the "X". This leaves profit for both consumers and producers. Consumers that buy lower than they value a product are capturing a profit much the same way producers that sell for more than theirs costs do.Monopolists always try to maximize profit. Instead of pricing their product near their unit cost, they place the price where sales will optimize their total profit. Further, they will endeavor to charge customers what they are willing to pay rather than charging them all the same, so long as it is higher than marginal unit cost (the cost to produce the last unit). In this way they endeavor to capture some of the consumers' "profit" from paying less for the product than they value it. Station Access and Marketplace are ways that SOE gets customers who are willing to pay more to have a slightly better experience to pay as much as they value the product. They are being what is often called discriminating monopolists. Drug companies do this by charging people in different countries different prices for the same drugs. Many "premium" versions of products are minimally better than the regular version, but cost substantially more. This is yet another scheme to get consumers to pay closer to the maximum they are willing to pay for a product.At the end of the day, SOE doesn't care what you think or want. They care about managing their property to maximize their profit while maintaining their future potential for revenue. It is possible that they are making mistakes and irritating customers, thus reducing their future revenue in favor of the present. However, I wouldn't suggest they take the advice of someone with very little understanding of market principles either.P.S. Also, if you think SOE's cost per hour for a developer is only $20/hr, then you have no idea what skilled employees get paid nor the extra costs involved. The salary is probably closer to $25-$30/hr , depending upon how experienced the person is. Finally, benefits and facilities costs put the total well north of $40/hr.

Alvane

06-14-2010, 12:02 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry don't want my new subscription model to be 40$ a month. 15 for the game and 25 for a new mount each month.</blockquote>Where did you ever get the idea that you HAVE to buy a new mount every month? You don't have to buy anything you don't want to buy. And if you do buy a SC mount, you don't have to buy another one next month - that is, unless you wish.There is a marketing plan that's kinda obvious - offer something for sale for 30 days. So, you have 30 days to buy it if you want it. If not, then don't fret about it. Maybe 6 months from now, SoE will offer another item for sale and will have it only offered for 30 days. If you want it - buy it. If you don't want it, then don't.The only peeps I can see who would miss out on the offer would be new subscribers. They may see the mount purchased under limited sales ridden by someone and ask where they can get one. Alas, they cannot since the offer has now expired.Other than that, if you buy a mount or any item under a 30 day offer; then you can continue using it long afterwards. After the 30 days - that mount will not go poof! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />

Uncaged

06-14-2010, 01:44 PM

<cite>gourdon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Senya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>With that said I still think the mount is overpriced for how it is presented. It's a beautiful mount (no complaints about that), but a nice deal would be to have it as a one per character item similar to veteran /claim rewards rather than heirloom. </blockquote>I agree with this 100%. I'd have bought it if it had been 1 per character, but (just in my opinion) 25.00 is too much for one character. I have no complaints about marketplace, though. I've picked up several marketplace items. This just wasn't one of them.</blockquote>Congradulations to you. You are one who *gets* it. This is why SC marketplace is good. You have admitted to buying several things you felt were a fair value to you on SC. Also, you have looked at the price point/reward of the mount and decided it wasn't for you. Perfect. This is how it is supposed to work.Same as in RL. If I feel something is overpriced and don't buy it either one of two things happens. 1. A lot of people feel the same and the price gets dropped. 2. It still sells well to others and if I really want one I have to pony up the cash for it. The free market at work.Cheers to you for *getting* it.</blockquote>Quoting it all as QFE <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Sorry if I don't believe that's how it should work. Economically speaking this entire concept is a rip-off for the consumer and a cash cow for the corporation.Sure, if it was /claim 25$ would not be bad. But it's not because heirloom single mount is more revenue =)Real life is different as well because an item has a cost to make, ship etc, to a company and then a set price and/or sale price it is placed at for a certain profit margin.Generally these margins are high for regular prices and go down for sales.Items in a cash shop such as this, exclusively even in EQ2 where we have a subscription as well deal with a no cost situation.We already pay 14.99$ a month for access which obviously covers any cost associated with maintenance.Then we pay in small single time fees for small items of which have a one time cost and no such recurring cost.If the item was made with 15 hours of dev time at 20$ an hour that's 300$ dollars. Once.At 25$ an item, that's only 12 being sold to cover that cost yet more can sell and will sell.Based on how many people have posted they bought them, and I have seen in game I would say it's likely over a thousand people bought them.That's 25,000$.That's a 24,700$ profit.Perhaps I am jaded but that just seems like a punch in the face for something so small as a mount to cost 25$,10$ over our subscription to be called a *micro*-transaction.Especially when the entire point of me paying them a subscription is to access said content.Yes fluff is content, whoever said otherwise?If I need to pay 25$ a month for full access to content and I am assured my money is going to better the game in terms of realistic content improvements instead of silly short term cash cow money influx...Of course I Would.But perhaps I am just thinking too far into the situation and should stop thinking.Maybe then I could be a mindless consumer accepting anything.</blockquote>There are two economic principles which you aren't cognizant of that drive SOE's behavior with respect to microtransactions. Both of these principles are related to the concept of monopoly. SOE has a monopoly within their marketplace and therefore those principles apply to the extent that competitors like WoW aren't a viable alternative. This is much like pharmaceutical companies with a monopoly on a particular drug, but there is an alternative drug that might be used instead.Idon't know if you've ever seen supply and demand curves before, so I will describe them as well as an important principle that matters to monopolists. The supply/demand model is simplistic and doesn't take into account perceptions about product quality associated with price. The supply curve is just the principle that the lower the price, the larger number of customers will purchase your product. The demand curve assumes that you can't change production capacity in a meaningful way. It assumes you're at least at optimum capacity and might be inclined to produce more. It all boils down to there will be more motivation to produce as prices go up. The supply and demand curves more or less look like an "X" and meet in the middle. Price is going down while volume goes up for demand and price is going up while volume goes up for supply. The price hovers somewhere near the crossing of the "X". This leaves profit for both consumers and producers. Consumers that buy lower than they value a product are capturing a profit much the same way producers that sell for more than theirs costs do.Monopolists always try to maximize profit. Instead of pricing their product near their unit cost, they place the price where sales will optimize their total profit. Further, they will endeavor to charge customers what they are willing to pay rather than charging them all the same, so long as it is higher than marginal unit cost (the cost to produce the last unit). In this way they endeavor to capture some of the consumers' "profit" from paying less for the product than they value it. Station Access and Marketplace are ways that SOE gets customers who are willing to pay more to have a slightly better experience to pay as much as they value the product. They are being what is often called discriminating monopolists. Drug companies do this by charging people in different countries different prices for the same drugs. Many "premium" versions of products are minimally better than the regular version, but cost substantially more. This is yet another scheme to get consumers to pay closer to the maximum they are willing to pay for a product.At the end of the day, SOE doesn't care what you think or want. They care about managing their property to maximize their profit while maintaining their future potential for revenue. It is possible that they are making mistakes and irritating customers, thus reducing their future revenue in favor of the present. However, I wouldn't suggest they take the advice of someone with very little understanding of market principles either.P.S. Also, if you think SOE's cost per hour for a developer is only $20/hr, then you have no idea what skilled employees get paid nor the extra costs involved. The salary is probably closer to $25-$30/hr , depending upon how experienced the person is. Finally, benefits and facilities costs put the total well north of $40/hr.</blockquote>This is indeed a very nice write up of market priciples. However, even it is missing some of the other variables. While SOE has done a good job of muting plat sellers in game, they are still out there. Anyone who wishes to buy plat can/does. This alters the whole dynamic of the marketplace. Why do you think they have gone to a nearly complete system of upgrading equipment through no trade shards/marks/tokens. It is for a reason.While SOE has a pseudo monopoly on their game, plat sellers and websites selling their own LoN cards for rediculous costs changes this whole monopoly concept. And as much as you argue, they do compete with other online games. The relationship is complicated but WoW, LoTRO, DDO, Conan, etc., etc. all are competitors for SOE. While say 20% of EQII subscribers would never ever play WoW, 80% would if costs got too high, etc.Bottom line is SC in EQII is not exactly a monopoly. It does have outside influences. It seems to be EQII's one way to fight back at others stealing their intellectual property. But as I previously stated, I could care less if SOE makes trillions or $30 bucks/year profit. If I feel the game is worth it, then I will pay it.

Vortexelemental

07-02-2010, 05:23 PM

Well, I told you I would and I did, if you guys would have simply said. There'll be a double SC weekend before these leave the marketplace.I'd never have griped. 12.50$ is still a little steep...but I want that mount.I bought one.

Uncaged

07-02-2010, 11:16 PM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I told you I would and I did, if you guys would have simply said. There'll be a double SC weekend before these leave the marketplace.I'd never have griped. 12.50$ is still a little steep...but I want that mount.I bought one.</blockquote>Cheers mate!

Keirie

07-03-2010, 12:10 PM

Heh i bought two, one melee oriented and the other caster......both purple. lol Can't help it, the other colored mounts just did not go with my toons looks. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Now a question, when the prowlers leave the marketplace, do the people who bought them retain them? I would hate to have flushed $50 down the drain for some cool mounts. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> A drop in price sure would be luvly as i would get some of my other toons a mount rather then playing pass the kitty. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I got an email the other day saying that there would be four more mounts introduced to the markeplace at the same price point as the prowlers, but I have as yet not seen said new mounts. When are they going to be available for purchase?

Alvane

07-03-2010, 03:25 PM

<cite>Keirie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now a question, when the prowlers leave the marketplace, do the people who bought them retain them? I would hate to have flushed $50 down the drain for some cool mounts. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> A drop in price sure would be luvly as i would get some of my other toons a mount rather then playing pass the kitty. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />I got an email the other day saying that there would be four more mounts introduced to the markeplace at the same price point as the prowlers, but I have as yet not seen said new mounts. When are they going to be available for purchase?</blockquote>Things on the marketplace will prolly have a set amount of time in which one has to purchase the item. It doesn't mean those who purchase the item will see it go "poof". It just means it will no longer be for sale - in effect, an artificial collector's item.So the $50 you spend on the mount item is not "flushed" down the drain as you have permantly purchased the 2 mounts and will be yours to use from now until you stop playing the game or until you decide you no longer want to ride those mounts or until you decide to delete those mounts.If the great leader of EQ2 decides a drop of price just before the item vanished from the marketplace will generate more income, it might be tried. On the other hand it might backfire, since the next time another item appears with limited sales (per time), some peeps will wait until the end of the "sale" to buy it at a reduced value. Hence, if enough peeps do that, then the great leader of EQ2 may not put the item at reduced rate at the end of the "sale" time period.IOW, it all depends on how much income is generated pre sale at the full price and reduced price at the end of the sale.As to when new items will be available - only the great kahunas of EQ2 know for sure. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Uncaged

07-03-2010, 04:21 PM

<cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Keirie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now a question, when the prowlers leave the marketplace, do the people who bought them retain them? I would hate to have flushed $50 down the drain for some cool mounts. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> A drop in price sure would be luvly as i would get some of my other toons a mount rather then playing pass the kitty. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />I got an email the other day saying that there would be four more mounts introduced to the markeplace at the same price point as the prowlers, but I have as yet not seen said new mounts. When are they going to be available for purchase?</blockquote>Things on the marketplace will prolly have a set amount of time in which one has to purchase the item. It doesn't mean those who purchase the item will see it go "poof". It just means it will no longer be for sale - in effect, an artificial collector's item.So the $50 you spend on the mount item is not "flushed" down the drain as you have permantly purchased the 2 mounts and will be yours to use from now until you stop playing the game or until you decide you no longer want to ride those mounts or until you decide to delete those mounts.If the great leader of EQ2 decides a drop of price just before the item vanished from the marketplace will generate more income, it might be tried. On the other hand it might backfire, since the next time another item appears with limited sales (per time), some peeps will wait until the end of the "sale" to buy it at a reduced value. Hence, if enough peeps do that, then the great leader of EQ2 may not put the item at reduced rate at the end of the "sale" time period.IOW, it all depends on how much income is generated pre sale at the full price and reduced price at the end of the sale.As to when new items will be available - only the great kahunas of EQ2 know for sure. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Or better yet, buy up some double SC now and wait for new mounts to arrive. =-).

covic

07-06-2010, 01:44 AM

<cite>Keirie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Heh i bought two, one melee oriented and the other caster......both purple. lol Can't help it, the other colored mounts just did not go with my toons looks. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />Now a question, when the prowlers leave the marketplace, do the people who bought them retain them? I would hate to have flushed $50 down the drain for some cool mounts. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> A drop in price sure would be luvly as i would get some of my other toons a mount rather then playing pass the kitty. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />I got an email the other day saying that there would be four more mounts introduced to the markeplace at the same price point as the prowlers, but I have as yet not seen said new mounts. When are they going to be available for purchase?</blockquote>Oh you will have those mounts forever, we would never take them away. The only thing that would happen is that if or when other mounts get made for Station Cash, we may not have the prowler available for purchase. But we would never take away anything you have bought.Dave

Ristan

07-06-2010, 04:43 PM

Any hints about what the next ones will be? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />

Purr

07-06-2010, 08:38 PM

<cite>covic wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh you will have those mounts forever, we would never take them away. The only thing that would happen is that if or when other mounts get made for Station Cash, we may not have the prowler available for purchase. But we would never take away anything you have bought.Dave</blockquote>QFEGreat! - Can we now have a really nice looking horse WITHOUT all that plate armor? Or a REAL bear instead of those dire bear wannebees?And could we Kerra finally get a mount that doesn't make us feel like we're a burden on the cat species tree? Please?And this time please one per char instead of one? Thanks big time!Purr~