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Cusashorn

09-20-2009, 01:44 AM

The monument is just slightly off the beaten path as you go left when heading out of Oggok. If you've reached the druid rings, you went too far.

Liched

09-20-2009, 01:42 PM

Hey Cusashorn,I have spent a large chunk of the night scouting all npcs and monuments in the area and can't find nada - here's what I searched:<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/finding_zek.png" width="678" height="541" />The only points of interest I can see are the Lizardmen/Cazic Thule monuments and the 5 stepped horn monument directly to the left of Ogguk.Would you give me a loc? Can anyone else make a newbie ogre and check for me to see if it's server specific?What server are you on Cusas?

Cusashorn

09-20-2009, 01:54 PM

I stopped playing EQlive back when EQ2 came out. I remember seeing a large monument the ogres built in the area east of Oggok. It's off the path to the left of Oggok. Maybe past the merchants, but I know what I saw.*Sees it on the map of Feerrott in the EQ atlas*... Directly east of the very end of the short path where the merchants are found.

Liched

09-20-2009, 02:42 PM

<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/lizard_camp.png" width="504" height="308" />But that's a lizardman camp not ogre. It's also not a zek symbol it's just your standard Cazic Monument. I think we can pretty much determine that symbol appears doesn't or no longer appears near Ogguk or Feerrott and may not apply to just Rallos Zek as suggested by Ridefort/Eze. I'll dig out my kunark cd and check to see if the camp graphics are the same but i'm pretty sure that they are. Since it's so long ago you were possibly getting mixed up with the Orc ones in Greater Faydark?

Cusashorn

09-20-2009, 02:50 PM

Nope. I remember it clearly. It was a monument in the Feerrott, near the ogre merchants. It had 4 "Wings" (thats the best way I can describe it) pointing in the 4 cardinal directions. The Zek symbol was on each wing.It was there since the start of the game.

Liched

09-20-2009, 03:35 PM

Woop! That was a trip down memory lane with the Kunark installer, I miss Keith Parkinson <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />My kunark cd still works bless her and I copied out the zone files from 25th of January 1999 for Feerrott into my Live folder and logged into Feerott, unfortunately it's exactly the same.Added a screeny for reference:<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/cazic_oldzonefile.png" width="992" height="794" />Also checked the art files but that symbol does not appear what so ever in the kunark era zones for Feerott. However, one thing that I did notice when checking old ct for some bizarre reason (maybe it scared too many people!) the mask in the entrance to Cazic-Thule has changed!<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/ct_mask_old.png" width="152" height="126" /> <img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/ct_mask_new.png" width="135" height="125" />I'm going to have a run around Live to see where I can spot the supposed Zek symbol maybe we can drum up some correlations between common races and it's use.

Liched

09-20-2009, 03:43 PM

For those of you that are just starting to read this thread this is the symbol we're discussing:<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/zek.png" width="95" height="97" />Mainly found outside Crushbone in Greater Faydark (right above the entrance). It's probably in the older world zones if anyone can help look. It's one of the rarer few out of the four (probably as rare as the Bertoxxulous one). I'd probably start with Faydwer first since it appears to relate directly to Orcs. Also if you could try to spot it in EQ2 too this would also be a great help in deciphering it's meaning <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

GlitterPaws

09-20-2009, 05:32 PM

Is that the symbol on the Druid Rings in EQLive?

Liched

09-20-2009, 06:53 PM

Ah no that's the T and sided D symbol's that we're not sure of yet<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/tdmon.png" width="448" height="330" />

GlitterPaws

09-20-2009, 07:50 PM

Ah, gotcha. I was going from memory as I don't have eqlive loaded anymore ((. It was the sort of arrow part that caught my eye.T'D....Tier'Dal jumps to mind.

Liched

09-20-2009, 08:16 PM

Bottom Left Symbol (RED CIRCLE)<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/zek.png" width="95" height="97" />Facts: Found near orc camps and settlementsTypes: Flags and TotemsSpeculation: Possibly Rallos Zek or some form of ZekAdditional Details: Also accompanied with another red symbol when found on totems<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/3rdtoredsym.png" width="72" height="95" />Locations on EQLIVE:Greater Faydark<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/gfaydark_outside_crushbone.png" width="236" height="186" />The largest of the totems can be found in <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zones.html?zstrat=56" target="_blank">Greater Faydark</a>. It is also sported atop the entrance to <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zones.html?zstrat=59" target="_blank">Crushbone</a>.CrushboneThe only flag found is directly on the left of the entrance at Clan <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zones.html?zstrat=59" target="_blank">Crushbone</a>.<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/crushbone.png" width="85" height="123" />Lesser FaydarkFound at two camps in <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=60" target="_blank">Lesser Faydark</a>, one with the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=2009" target="_blank">Orc Chief</a> who is part of the <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=269" target="_blank">Totemic Boots</a> quest.<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/lfay1.png" width="406" height="302" />NPC's in this area are found on the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=8" target="_blank">Crushbone Orcs</a> and <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=80" target="_blank">Indigo Brotherhood</a> faction.<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/lfay2.png" width="357" height="308" />CommonlandsThe symbol once was shown flying on the flags of the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=35" target="_blank">Death Fist Orcs</a>. Since the revamp the totems and flags are now gone.<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/oldecommons.jpg" width="307" height="230" />Lake RathetearLocated in the corner of Lake Rathetear several <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=28898" target="_blank">Orc Warriors</a> are situated at the totem overlooked by barbarians. The orcs here are not members of Crushbone or Death Fist clans but are simply on <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=169" target="_blank">Orc</a>. The barbarians that overlook them are: <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=18715" target="_blank">Lenklo</a>, <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1930" target="_blank">Groethar</a>, <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1926" target="_blank">Hulga </a>and <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1935" target="_blank">Deillia</a> who are members of the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=50" target="_blank">Rogues of the White Rose</a>, a Halas rogues guild.<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/lakerathetear.png" width="325" height="233" />That completes all the locations for the 3rd (bottom left) symbol on the red circle. More information may be found in EQ2 and EQOA to assist with the details of what this symbol represents.

Liched

09-20-2009, 08:19 PM

<cite>GlitterPaws wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ah, gotcha. I was going from memory as I don't have eqlive loaded anymore ((. It was the sort of arrow part that caught my eye.T'D....Tier'Dal jumps to mind.</blockquote>Yeah me too, it looks like a T coming from a D with a Tear. It might represent Tier coming from Dal or something along those lines but these are circles of Druids which aren't usually associated with Tier'Dal. Possibly Unkempt but I wouldn't want to say without any hard facts. I think it's best to say it's an unknown symbol till further evidence can be gained but I guess this is outside the scope of this thread. I am extremely interested in finding out though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Noaani

09-20-2009, 11:54 PM

Note to self: avoid this thread from now on.Too many pictures. If we want to see them, we will click a link.

Liched

09-21-2009, 12:35 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Note to self: avoid this thread from now on.Too many pictures. If we want to see them, we will click a link.</blockquote>That's not a note to self!

Liched

09-22-2009, 07:02 PM

<cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/jaw.png" width="103" height="114" />Before I hit the sack I am certain I have seen something similar in EQ1, I remember it as a jaw/creatures mouth on some walls somewhere. I am pretty sure it was near runnyeye or beholder but I took a quick look and couldn't see anything. Maybe it was somewhere in Guk or on Kunark. I'll let you know what I find tommorow.</blockquote>Well i've search high and dry on EQ1 but can't find this symbol so I guess I must have been mistaken. I was sure it was frogloks or goblins but nada, it's not.<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/souls_thefive.png" width="255" height="195" />Perhaps the bottom part of the eq2 symbol is something that might be worth discussing.

RaphaNissi

09-23-2009, 01:42 AM

There is another version of the Rune of Ethernere in Varsoon's that has more color and detail to it.

Liched

09-23-2009, 10:37 PM

Well i've found connections between the House of the Dead, The Necromancers of Freeport, The Shadowed Men and the Orcs but i'm not overly sure if this is exactly what the old circle represents but it might explain it's reason for being a hidden symbol and it's links to the second circle. I'll keep looking before I post the full details but for those of you that have EQRPG Forests of Faydark please read pages 109 regarding the Unseen, the figure Shade and the item the Rod of Command.'We are the Unseen. In all races, we walk. In all cities, we watch. We are bound not by tradition or by blood, but by common cause. We are examplars of our kind. We are superior. We shall find the ancient tools of rulership and build a new empire. We shall claim past glories for our own. And none shall know of us, until we rule them.For we are the Unseen.'

Liched

09-24-2009, 02:41 AM

Further to what I was saying about there originally being 5 moons and luclin being destined to enter into Veeshan's Norrath, like shown on the Chelsith stone (the orb that's half in the world in the bottom left)<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/chelsith.jpg" width="800" height="1224" />An addendum:The deed is done, the Teir`Dal smashed, the Deathfist lay in ruins. I take this journal, along with all else that has been entrusted into my care, to depart from this free port back to my homeland a continent away. After living unfettered on this rough land, I can never again accept the policies and obligations of Felwithe. But for the same reasons Aataltaal must go, so too must I. Already they turn to me, asking his fate - and why not ask a sage to find such knowledge? Even if I can hold their questions off until they relent and remit, I foresee they will choose me to fill this place. I am too clearly associated with him, and his memory cannot fade until mine has.Already I have removed my name from the battle-lists, burned all correspondence, and sworn my agents never to speak my name again. In one human generation, I will be a myth. In ten, I will be forgotten.I mount to never see the Academy built, to never again know the smell of the market and feel the warm, relentless sun on my face. But I shall find a new place in the unexplored wilds of Faydwer and there spend my last days. When my last breath gives forth, I shall be buried there, in whatever new home I have made. My agents can bring me word of Landing's (freeport) progress and, as my master wishes, I shall return should it ever need, Rod in hand, to aid it. Yet I have had a Moment of Truth, and have perceived that there shall be no such trouble until I am long gone, when Luclin shall be buried in Norrath.But enough. This truly shall be the last entry in this journal, which I must take away as I remove myself.By Mine Own Hand,DelailithLady Delailith was a prophet of sorts and features in the Ocean of Tears book, great read by the way!

Liched

09-24-2009, 03:42 PM

I've just got information of the bottom right symbol from the red circle being in Unrest on EQ2 but am yet to find it, if anyone can spot it can someone please post the details and who's near it etc with factions!Cheers

RaphaNissi

09-24-2009, 04:15 PM

<cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've just got information of the bottom right symbol from the red circle being in Unrest on EQ2 but am yet to find it, if anyone can spot it can someone please post the details and who's near it etc with factions!Cheers</blockquote>It's in the room with the Priest of Fear in it. I'm sure there are some pictures around here showing it.

Liched

09-24-2009, 04:19 PM

Ahh okies thanks buddy, a CT/Amyg connection then. Hmm! Why on earth do those erudites adorn it like a lover?

RaphaNissi

09-24-2009, 04:32 PM

<cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ahh okies thanks buddy, a CT/Amyg connection then. Hmm! Why on earth do those erudites adorn it like a lover?</blockquote>It kind of looks like it is "painted" in blood (if I remember correctly). The original owner of Unrest was an Erudite, so it's possible it was put there as a symbol of devotion through sacrifice or something along those lines.

Liched

09-24-2009, 04:47 PM

Ahh that suddenly makes alot more sense! I always thought the place was a shrine to Erollosi but didn't know the founders etc. *thumbs up*

Xinora

10-12-2009, 04:42 AM

Hey all, I saw someone asked to see if the orc related symbol could be found in EQ2. I found both of these at the cave enterance on the way to Crushbone. I love reading this stuff just wanted to help if I can.<img src="http://www.tanan.allianceknights.net/Screenshots/EQ2_000003.jpg" width="1440" height="885" /><img src="http://www.tanan.allianceknights.net/Screenshots/EQ2_000004.jpg" width="1440" height="885" />

Obzidian

10-13-2009, 08:22 PM

What if the evil bunny of doom (otherwise known as the face with big ears on the Chelsith stone, around Neriak, etc.) does not represent any specific type of Dal, but instead is representative of the Dal. The elves have a major influence on Norrath. Their empires have risen and fallen all across and the ruins of their existence are found all over the place. The full histories of the elves aren't even known and there are so many types and factions of elves, suggesting that the story about various creations isn't entirely the truth. We have:Ara'Dal -- found in Living TombsAyr'Dal-- half elvesFeir'Dal -- wood elvesKoada'Dal -- high elvesMyr'Dal -- found in mistmoor catacombsRenda'Dal -- the "pure" elves found in New TunariaRowen'Dal -- "Rowen" seems to translate to "Royal" elves, so elves of royal bloodlines, fair warning, from EQOASul'Dal -- Sul still remains a mystery, but is associated with Undeath. Elves that are associated with Anashti'Sul basicallyTeir'Dal -- modern Dark elvesY'Dal -- original dark elvesThe dal are major players in Norrathian history with their fingers in almost every pot out there. Histories about them are often conflicting and indirect (as history in general is). It makes sense that they might have a major symbol on Norrath because they have a major impact on Norrath. In fact, in looking at races in general, the dragons and the elves are the two races who seem to have had the largest impact on the planet, due in part to their long lifespans and their abilities to extend these lifestyles. This idea ties in to the idea that the symbols may be representative of different peoples.

Cusashorn

10-14-2009, 12:19 AM

<cite>Obzidian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ara'Dal -- found in Living TombsSul'Dal -- Sul still remains a mystery, but is associated with Undeath. Elves that are associated with Anashti'Sul basically</blockquote>... What? The Sul'Dal are called Undead Elves, and I've never seen or heard anything about Ara'Dal.

Greyquill

10-14-2009, 04:15 AM

I've been to the Living Tombs I don't know how many times and I can assure you Cusa that there are mobs in there carrying the Ara'Dal name (Ara'Dal Herald, Ara'Dal Metallurgist, and Ara'Dal Peasant). I'm surprised Obzidian left out the Rin'Dal mobs from that same zone though (Rin'Dal Alchemist, Rin'Dal Sage, and Rin'Dal Citizen). I'm aware we've parsed out a few select Elvish naming conventions, but I'm at a loss as to what the prefixes Rin and Ara denote. Interesting to note that the Priestesses of Fyr'Un (mobs also located in the Living Tombs are identified by these same prefixes. i.e Sul Priestess of the Fyr'Un, Rin Priestess of the Fyr'Un, and the Ara Priestess of the Fyr'Un). Perhaps Sul, Rin, and Ara are some sort of caste marker in this particular Dal society? That's my best guess based on the mob names/professions. The Ara seem to be the lowest strata (servants, labourers, peasants). Followed by the Rin who seem to be the landed citizens, scholars, and skilled craftspeople. Topping the caste are the Sul'Dal who I imagine are the nobility, warriors, and priests. Makes a little more sense than trying to follow the general Dal naming conventions where each Dal sect is, or at least imagines itself to be, a different elven subrace.As for the elves having a huge impact on Norrath, that kind of goes without saying. As for their creation myths. I'm inclined to take most of it on face value given the setting of the game. Apart from the withdrawl of the gods, each race has a very real, very close connection to it progenitor deity. If Tunare herself comes before you as an elf in all her extraplanar glory and proclaims, "I have made you". It's hard to chalk it up to whimsical storytelling on the part of her druids and clerics. The Y'Dal/Teir'Dal are an issue all to themselves... Innoruuk being who and what he is... well, truth isn't exactly part of his portfolio. Theirs is clearly the muddiest creation story.

Meirril

10-14-2009, 05:52 AM

<cite>Obzidian wrote:</cite><blockquote>What if the evil bunny of doom (otherwise known as the face with big ears on the Chelsith stone, around Neriak, etc.) does not represent any specific type of Dal, but instead is representative of the Dal. The elves have a major influence on Norrath. Their empires have risen and fallen all across and the ruins of their existence are found all over the place. The full histories of the elves aren't even known and there are so many types and factions of elves, suggesting that the story about various creations isn't entirely the truth. We have:Ara'Dal -- found in Living TombsAyr'Dal-- half elvesFeir'Dal -- wood elvesKoada'Dal -- high elvesMyr'Dal -- found in mistmoor catacombsRenda'Dal -- the "pure" elves found in New TunariaRowen'Dal -- "Rowen" seems to translate to "Royal" elves, so elves of royal bloodlines, fair warning, from EQOASul'Dal -- Sul still remains a mystery, but is associated with Undeath. Elves that are associated with Anashti'Sul basicallyTeir'Dal -- modern Dark elvesY'Dal -- original dark elvesThe dal are major players in Norrathian history with their fingers in almost every pot out there. Histories about them are often conflicting and indirect (as history in general is). It makes sense that they might have a major symbol on Norrath because they have a major impact on Norrath. In fact, in looking at races in general, the dragons and the elves are the two races who seem to have had the largest impact on the planet, due in part to their long lifespans and their abilities to extend these lifestyles. This idea ties in to the idea that the symbols may be representative of different peoples.</blockquote>Most of these don't signify different races of elves, but rather what they associate themselves with.Ara'Dal, Rowen'Dal, Sul'Dal, Rin'Dal, and Koada'Dal would be the same high elf race we all know and love today. Its your basic elf is an elf is an elf. As far as we know, they are the origional elves.Feir'Dal are an offshoot of the Koada'Dal race that developed in Gfay. They lost a bit of height, some of the more refined manners, some of their native intelligence and became more in tune with nature.Ayr'Dal are half breeds. Some would consider them elves, some would consider them a new race, others to be non-elves. They are what they are and depending on their own choices they will continue as a sub-culture or not.Myr'Dal are an abomination created by Mayong Mistmoor's arcane studies by magically combining a Crushbone Orc and a Renda'Dal. These pittiful creatures are an affront to Tunare and Rallos Zek. Put them out of their missery when ever possible. There are no known uses for them amongst Mayong's servants.The Tier'Dal are clearly the creation of Innoruuk via torture, and magical manipulation of the Thex family. It also means all of the Tier'Dal can truely claim to be direct decendents of the royal line and thus fit for the throne. Ironic, eh?Y'Dal: Shrouded in mistery and a recent cheapening of the Mayong Mistmoor story. Oh sorry, did I say that out loud? Apparently this is the race Mayong belongs to. Technically they can't be elves because Tunare created them. Who knows who created the Y'Dal. I seriously doubt it was Innoruuk due to the simple logic that he didn't create any other races. You'd think he would of created more if he could. He seems to perfer subverting and perverting other god's races instead.If your going to look for races with major impacts on Norrath's history, elves arn't really it. Sure the Tier'Dal have created a lot of disturbances, but not nearly the same impact as the giants, dragons, or even the humans.Yes, humans. Despite the short amount of time it existed, the Combine Empire actually has a lot to do with the conditions of the EQ1 and EQ2 worlds. The entire spire network, the advanced culture and growth of Freeport, Qeynos, and Euradin. The Combine was directly responsable for most of the good relations between the various races in Norrath due to its diplomatic efforts to bring all civialized beings into the empire. Long after the empire has perished, the various races still value diplomacy, and trade.Though, the major players have been the gods themselves. The various races are just tools to their ends. The dragons were planted by Veeshan to take over the world. The other races were created to defeat the dragons and take back the world for the gods. We're only doing what we were made to do. The reason the gods pulled back was because we got too good at it and we needed to be reigned in before we destroyed the gods that created us.

Obzidian

10-14-2009, 07:23 AM

I haven't seen anything proving that the Sul of Sul'Dal means undeath or undead or death. In fact, there's quite a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise. Not the least of which is other undead elves inside of Living Tombs and Silent City with names not Sul and all the undead vampire elves not calling themselves Sul'Dal. I mentioned the Ara'Dal, but forgot the Rin'Dal inside of Living Tombs. I also forgot to mention the Orus'Dal, who you gain reference to during the Peacock Club Quest series via Undead Censorship when they speak of the Censor of the Orus'Dal. (Sorry!)This is a bit off topic, but . . .In terms of the meaning of Sul, we see it used as Anashti Sul, Anuk'Sul (FYI: Anuk, outside of EQ2 roughly translates to "child of"). , Sulites, Sul'Dal, Sul Priestess of the Fyr'Un, the Staff of Sul, Ewer of Sul'Dae and outside of those references, we have Sullon and Sullian, which we can probably agree to exclude (the type of fairies in Nektulos, and orcs of Sullon Zek). All of these usages point to Anashti Sul, with Sul being used as a descriptor of things refering to her.Anashti Sul may currently be regarded as a goddess of undeath, but that is not her primary purview, and there is no evidence to suggest that it would be. Her worshippers worshipped her as a goddess of health, life, youth and oblivion or evermore. We see undeath as her primary, but her worshippers are described more through other terms. They named the city they built for worship of her, the City of Life, naming the Temple district, the Temple of Youth. Given her purviews, it is more likely that Sul refers to Health, Oblivion, Forgotten or Eternity/Evermore it even has a direct translation in Elvish.I believe Sul just refers to her name, much as servants of Cazic or Morrell or Terris Thule are often refered to as Thulian or of Thule (i.e., Hand of Thule). Still, if Sul has a direct elvish translation, then I believe it is referencing one of Anashti's contemporary purviews. The Living Tombs and Silent City were not Anashti's original followers, but elvish followers who found knowledge of her and chose to worship her. She has three types of priestesses, reflecting the three types of elves found in the city: Rin, Sul, and Ara. Each of these types is involved in the Fyr'Un with Fyr being seen as a reference to Life. Undead Priestess of the River of Life makes no sense. The Ewer of Sul'Dae, which is seen as granting eternal life, the vessel through which the river of life flows, makes no sense being described as Undeath. Even if we see Undeath as being the outcome, that still isn't what the Dal that worshipped Anashti viewed it as. They viewed it as Eternal Life. If Sul isn't a direct reference to Anashti, then I would expect it is some form of reference to Health or Eternity/Immortality. With Rin or Ara being references to other purviews perhaps Youth and Oblivion/Forgotten/Forsaken.Grey is correct, there do seem to be definite caste markers with Rin, Ara, and Sul. These could be related to tasks or to citizenship level within the city. There are definite class markers amongst their designations.Anuk'Sul is used to describe: Advocates, Chancellors, Augurs, Visionaries, Decars, Mavens, DelegatesSullite is used to describe: Bishops, Arbiters, Tjats, Devotees, Lunas, Prelates, CuratesRin is used to describe: Sages, Citizens, AlchemistsSul is used to describe: bladefury, friar, foci, infiltrator, herbalist, merchant, scribe, axefuryAra is used to describe: Peasants, heralds, metallurgistsSome References:1001 Tales of Maj'Dul - The City of Everlasting--> <a href="http://lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=107&ss=Fyr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://lorelibrary.com/?page=book&a...=107&ss=Fyr</a>Dungeons in the Desert EQ2 Official Website Lore --> <a href="http://lorelibrary.com/?page=website&wid=63" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://lorelibrary.com/?page=website&wid=63</a>The Undead of Ro Catalog --> <a href="http://lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=89&ss=Undead%20of%20Ro" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://lorelibrary.com/?page=book&a...ndead%20of%20Ro</a>Also, Grey, I think that all the elf creation stories are pretty muddled and questionable. A god(dess) coming down from on high and saying, "I made you" doesn't mean that it happened, just that the god wanted servants. There are conflicting stories about a variety of historical incidents with the elves. Each people has its own story, which should be that way, because everyone puts their own spin on their history. After all, if you listen to the Renda'Dal, the Feir'dal and Teir'dal resulted as a pollution of a truer, older dal blood by Innoruuk. I disagree, Meirril that the Ara'Dal, Rowen'Dal, Sul'Dal, Rin'Dal, Koada'Dal are all the same. I think that, at essence, all elves are the same (the dal, as mentioned, for instance, in earlier stories) and that populations diversified and evolved into different races of elves. Some of this change was driven by manipulation (whether it be Mayong, cross-breeding with other beings, the gods, magical ewers, etc.) And they are major players. Everywhere you go you see the ruins of elven history. The deserts of Ro were created because of an intentional destruction of the Elddar Forrest and the elven empire there by Solusek Ro cause he and Tunare got into a tiff. Freeport used to be an elven outpost. Most of the islands in the Ocean of Tears had elven settlements as elves fled Antonica to go to Faydwer. Elves were one of the first settlers of the surfaces of Faydwer and Antonica. Even now, the Ewer of Sul'Dae is working its magic and Anashti has been released because of . . . elves. If elves didn't worship Anashti, we wouldn't have a City of Life and the Ewer of Sul'Dae being fixed with people knowing who she is to even free her. Lets not mention Elizerrain, the prophet or the Ethernaut Asharae. Or Lanys T'Vyl and Firionia Vie, both elves who were responsible for the creation of the undead forrest of Kithicor. War of the Fay, Tower of Frozen Shadows, Mayong Mistmoor and all his crap all over the place, the creation of the Arasai, necromancy (which multiple stories attribute to elves). The elves have had their hand in every pie. Their influence may not be felt as directly as some races (such as the Rallosian races) but there has not been a land so far that has not felt their touch. There has not been a place that they have not influenced.The Combine Empire was actually a uniting of many races, so its not just "humans". Katta may have been human, but that doesn't make it a human empire. The Combine Empire was really an empire that replaced the elven empires of the ages before and fell. Now, we're existing in a time of what could be seen as human empires: Erudin/Paineel returning, Freeport, Qeynos, Halas returning, various outposts, etc.In some ways, we see a past with dragons ruling the world, then a time of elves being dominant, with modern Norrathian times being the leadership of the humans (barbarians, erudites, and humans all share the same origins in the ways that elves do). Ok, I'm rambling now. Sorry for the long post =p

Wilde_Night

10-14-2009, 08:38 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Tier'Dal are clearly the creation of Innoruuk via torture, and magical manipulation of the Thex family. It also means all of the Tier'Dal can truely claim to be direct decendents of the royal line and thus fit for the throne. Ironic, eh?</blockquote>Actually, there were rescue attempts made on the Thex's that were kidnapped. Those Koada'Dal rescuers also became trapped within Hate and tormented and changed. Enough of them to allow the Tier'Dal 26 "family" designations. You know, the Capital Letter in the front of their sirnames actually has a meaning. So, no, not all the dark elves are direct decendants of the Thex line.

Cusashorn

10-14-2009, 09:37 AM

<cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Tier'Dal are clearly the creation of Innoruuk via torture, and magical manipulation of the Thex family. It also means all of the Tier'Dal can truely claim to be direct decendents of the royal line and thus fit for the throne. Ironic, eh?</blockquote>Actually, there were rescue attempts made on the Thex's that were kidnapped. Those Koada'Dal rescuers also became trapped within Hate and tormented and changed. Enough of them to allow the Tier'Dal 26 "family" designations. You know, the Capital Letter in the front of their sirnames actually has a meaning. So, no, not all the dark elves are direct decendants of the Thex line.</blockquote>Never heard of that before, and it's significantly rare to ever see a dark elf with a surname other than N, V, Or K, which represents the district of Neriak they were born in.

Zabjade

10-14-2009, 01:21 PM

And you forgot the Lera'Dal, Frostfell Elves! *Waits for Lera(AB) to pop on and exclaim that she is NOT a Frostfell Elf!*

Wilde_Night

10-14-2009, 03:39 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, there were rescue attempts made on the Thex's that were kidnapped. Those Koada'Dal rescuers also became trapped within Hate and tormented and changed. Enough of them to allow the Tier'Dal 26 "family" designations. You know, the Capital Letter in the front of their sirnames actually has a meaning. So, no, not all the dark elves are direct decendants of the Thex line.</blockquote>Never heard of that before, and it's significantly rare to ever see a dark elf with a surname other than N, V, Or K, which represents the district of Neriak they were born in.</blockquote>Cusa needs to hang out around Neriak/Longshadow Alley more. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I've seen all 26 letters of the alphabet represented.

Rezikai

10-14-2009, 08:12 PM

<cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, there were rescue attempts made on the Thex's that were kidnapped. Those Koada'Dal rescuers also became trapped within Hate and tormented and changed. Enough of them to allow the Tier'Dal 26 "family" designations. You know, the Capital Letter in the front of their sirnames actually has a meaning. So, no, not all the dark elves are direct decendants of the Thex line.</blockquote>Never heard of that before, and it's significantly rare to ever see a dark elf with a surname other than N, V, Or K, which represents the district of Neriak they were born in.</blockquote>Cusa needs to hang out around Neriak/Longshadow Alley more. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> I've seen all 26 letters of the alphabet represented.</blockquote>hmmm... iirc Vhalen said that the 1st letter represents the "province" of the Underfoot (not just Neriak, although it counts as well) that the Teir'Dal in question was born in or was from.He said it was something they had kept quiet for a while but finally let that secret out back when one of the strat-guides asked about it and he decided to let that bit of Teir`dal information be known about their naming conventions. It was in a post on these boards somewhere... and I'm glad he posted it for so long there were so many people claiming one such reason or another for their names, some said houses, some said part of the different generations born after the much claimed "1st born" of Teir`Dal which some claim were the Elddar legions trapped in the plane of Hate.And I wouldnt write off the Y'Dal as a a recent cheapening of the Mayong Mistmoore story, we just never new the name of the race, we had alot of the backstory to Mayong in bits and pieces of clues and lore here and there, and to be honest, im not entirely convinced that we know if Ydal means anything significant other then that ancient races name. I think they'll be more to it, since certain things about the Ydal arent known. They are claimed to be the 1st Dark elven race, but shared Inny's vampiric traits. But from the picture Zanne clearly didnt look like any dark elven race, Ydal or Teir`Dal. So... was she born of another ancient race? or something that happened? We all kind of agree that Inny is more into "twisting" races, maybe this was the Ydal's case as the Teir`Dals was as well.Ah found Vhalens post about the EQ2 prima-guide and the Teir`Dal naming conventions <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=187491�" target="_blank">HERE...</a>.

Mary the Prophetess

10-14-2009, 08:53 PM

I too remember Vhalen referring to the Teir 'Dal "alphabet" as being provinces of the Underfoot. Along that line:<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=17595">Vhalen</a>The 'Un is commonly used at the end of ancient elf words to represent all of something. In the case of Fyr'Un, that would be 'All of Life.' Many languages were derived from Druzaic and their meanings and word usage often have similarities with that language of pure magic. The Sul'Dal had a language derived from both ancient elf and Druzaic. That language did not die with the Sul'Dal but rather, can be found in many of the lawful regions of Elixia, The Plane of Health or Life.And, (for what it's worth), there are the Shenba 'Dal listed in the EQ RPG game. (Shenba meaning 'travelling', 'nomadic', or 'gypsy' Elves)

Cusashorn

10-14-2009, 09:44 PM

<cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, there were rescue attempts made on the Thex's that were kidnapped. Those Koada'Dal rescuers also became trapped within Hate and tormented and changed. Enough of them to allow the Tier'Dal 26 "family" designations. You know, the Capital Letter in the front of their sirnames actually has a meaning. So, no, not all the dark elves are direct decendants of the Thex line.</blockquote>Never heard of that before, and it's significantly rare to ever see a dark elf with a surname other than N, V, Or K, which represents the district of Neriak they were born in.</blockquote>Cusa needs to hang out around Neriak/Longshadow Alley more. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> I've seen all 26 letters of the alphabet represented.</blockquote>Yeah but in my defense, most of those citizens probably had their memories wiped by Darathar just like he did to the rest of us, so maybe those Dark Elves don't even know the meaning behind it.I don't know. I don't care, and I'm not gonna drive this topic off topic any further.Back to Theer.......... When we learn more that's worth mentioning..

Mary the Prophetess

10-14-2009, 10:09 PM

I've always been struck by the similarities between the name, 'Theer", and the name 'Thyr'. I can't see as how they are related in any way, yet I find it hard to dismiss as mere coincidence./shrugs Just thinking outloud.

Wilde_Night

10-15-2009, 01:59 AM

So... I don't know if it was mentioned, but isn't Theer the name (was the name?) of the crazy woman in Nektulos Forest that used to offer the Nektropos Castle access quest. AKA Riktanus' wife? My memory may be a bit shady, it has been a couple of years since I've read up on the Everling lore.

PsiaMeese

10-15-2009, 05:22 AM

Theeral the Nomad. Near the foot of the J'Rais Bridge that leads to The Commonlands. She was Rikantus second wife. While the name is close, I suspect it isn't related.

Meirril

10-15-2009, 07:43 AM

<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Theeral the Nomad. Near the foot of the J'Rais Bridge that leads to The Commonlands. She was Rikantus second wife. While the name is close, I suspect it isn't related.</blockquote>I'd actually suspect that she is related, in that she was used as part of the plot to get Rikantus to study the Rune of Void and accidently travel there, and thus get trapped by the void creatures. She may, or may not be a direct agent of Theer but whoever guided her to Everling knew of Theer and with the Gods withdrawn the little jest would go unnoticed by all.

RaphaNissi

10-15-2009, 04:18 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Theeral the Nomad. Near the foot of the J'Rais Bridge that leads to The Commonlands. She was Rikantus second wife. While the name is close, I suspect it isn't related.</blockquote>I'd actually suspect that she is related, in that she was used as part of the plot to get Rikantus to study the Rune of Void and accidently travel there, and thus get trapped by the void creatures. She may, or may not be a direct agent of Theer but whoever guided her to Everling knew of Theer and with the Gods withdrawn the little jest would go unnoticed by all.</blockquote>How was she used to get him to study the rune? He learned of the rune from Varsoon. Every time there is a discussion on Theer the coincidence of Theeral's name is brought up. She has a past tied to Marr. She didn't even know about Rikantus' obsession with his dead family until after their marriage. The name is nothing but coincidence in spelling.

Triasa

10-16-2009, 01:24 AM

Just to add some random, almost certainly pointless thoughts to this thread...Anyone notice what anagrams you can make out of Rohn Theer?Ether HornThree HornNorth Here (or Here North)Here Thorn (or Thorn Here)Probably useless, but hey, seems like so many EQ characters have anagrams that describe them, it was worth a shot. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Triasa

10-16-2009, 01:28 AM

Oh, and the central figure of the Shissar calendar has to be Mayong:<img src="http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7438/mayong.jpg" width="605" height="816" />Couple this with the link between Mayong and the Ankh of Y'Dal, and it seems like he's either the ultimate villian, or ultimate savior.Of course, I could be totally wrong, lolEDIT: Or... just had a thought. This symbol seems to be a weapon against vampires... and the Ankh is a weapon against Mayong... hmmm...

Meirril

10-16-2009, 06:16 AM

<cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, and the central figure of the Shissar calendar has to be Mayong:Couple this with the link between Mayong and the Ankh of Y'Dal, and it seems like he's either the ultimate villian, or ultimate savior.Of course, I could be totally wrong, lolEDIT: Or... just had a thought. This symbol seems to be a weapon against vampires... and the Ankh is a weapon against Mayong... hmmm...</blockquote>We've used flimisier in-game evidence to support arguments before but...I'm not comfortable with using that icon to link Mayong Mistmoor with the central symbol yet. Need more and stronger supporting evidence or argument please!

Liched

10-16-2009, 07:42 PM

<cite>Xinora wrote:</cite>Hey all, I saw someone asked to see if the orc related symbol could be found in EQ2. I found both of these at the cave enterance on the way to Crushbone. I love reading this stuff just wanted to help if I can.I'm pretty sure I've seen that second symbol outside crushbone, i'll go check EQ1 but I think it was shammy related!

Liched

10-16-2009, 08:01 PM

Is it (Mistmoore's Symbol) of the Manor or Mistmoore's (Symbol of the Manor)?The symbol is found in Mistmoore's Castle (EQ1) on the magical lift (air again) that elevates you to the room with the Old Circle we talk about in this thread. Here's some thoughts:<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/symbols2.png" width="804" height="1116" />

Liched

10-16-2009, 08:24 PM

<img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/shamclass.png" width="113" height="110" />Found it - looks like the old class symbol for Shaman before they revamped the UI

Cusashorn

10-16-2009, 10:34 PM

<cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/shamclass.png" width="113" height="110" />Found it - looks like the old class symbol for Shaman before they revamped the UI</blockquote>I see where you're coming from, but those look way too much apart to be the same... At least, from that picture, it looks like the black markings are cracks in the rock itself.If it is though, then cool... though the class symbols in EQlive never had any emphasis on the game itself, so that's rather random to see.

Liched

10-17-2009, 04:14 AM

<img src="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/spellicons/gem_130b.png" width="26" height="26" />Also the shaman spell gems

The_Cheeseman

11-16-2009, 05:16 AM

The symbol in the center of the red symbols appears to be the symbol of Innoruuk, or has been used by him. See this: <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=83358" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=83358</a> which uses the symbol. All the places where the symbol has been used (without also including the rest of the symbols in the red circle) are places where Innoruuk would be revered (such as the dwellings of dark elves: Neriak and Najena).I also think that the central blue symbol, which has been referred-to as the Ankh of Y'dal, is in fact, the symbol of Mayong Mistmoore. If you analyze the symbol, it begins with a waxing crecent moon, then shows an upward-pointed arrow, followed by a downward-pointing arrow, and ends with a waning crescent moon. To me, the waxing and waning crescent moons represent the beginning an end of the age, while the arrows represent Mayong's apotheosis and subsequent return to mortality. However, it could also refer to Zebuxoruk, who is known for having attained and shed divinity in the past, now being known as 'the Ungod'.It is interesting to me that the central figures of the circles could be Innoruuk and Mayong, especially considering the fact that Mayong's minions in Evernight Abbey mention a curse placed upon them by Innoruuk, and that the Y'dal were supposedly created from a drop of Innoruuk's blood. What other connections are there between Mayong and Innoruuk?

Cusashorn

11-17-2009, 02:19 AM

I checked that supposed "Shaman Class" symbol found outside Crushbone. That little black mark in the middle is part of the rock itself. The same symbol is found on the other face of the rock, and looks different because it doesn't have that piece of rock missing in the middle.I'm just not seeing it as being the Shaman class symbol.

Mirander_1

11-20-2009, 02:25 AM

With the new info on Sentinel's Fate, I think it can be conclusively stated that the infamous bat-symbol in the middle is indeed representing Theer himself, and not Veeshan or whoever. The gargoyle/demon guys on the box art for SF are supposed to be Theer, and the bat does kinda look like the grey-skinned version of Theer on the right-side of the boxart.

soibit

11-21-2009, 11:36 PM

could the "two" monters on the box not be two monsters at all but be one? again possibley theer?i'd like to think that when the two swords were brought together theer "released his beast" to aid in his civic duty of keeping the gods in line.lore wise yeah noone would want these swords brought together if they were known to summon this agent of theer (or be it theer himself)

Lodrelhai

11-25-2009, 06:54 AM

Okay, I didn't buy it when I first heard it, but having done the next live event on test, have to agree. Another of the symbols has been defined.

Meirril

11-25-2009, 07:59 AM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The symbol in the center of the red symbols appears to be the symbol of Innoruuk, or has been used by him. See this: <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=83358" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=83358</a> which uses the symbol. All the places where the symbol has been used (without also including the rest of the symbols in the red circle) are places where Innoruuk would be revered (such as the dwellings of dark elves: Neriak and Najena).I also think that the central blue symbol, which has been referred-to as the Ankh of Y'dal, is in fact, the symbol of Mayong Mistmoore. If you analyze the symbol, it begins with a waxing crecent moon, then shows an upward-pointed arrow, followed by a downward-pointing arrow, and ends with a waning crescent moon. To me, the waxing and waning crescent moons represent the beginning an end of the age, while the arrows represent Mayong's apotheosis and subsequent return to mortality. However, it could also refer to Zebuxoruk, who is known for having attained and shed divinity in the past, now being known as 'the Ungod'.It is interesting to me that the central figures of the circles could be Innoruuk and Mayong, especially considering the fact that Mayong's minions in Evernight Abbey mention a curse placed upon them by Innoruuk, and that the Y'dal were supposedly created from a drop of Innoruuk's blood. What other connections are there between Mayong and Innoruuk?</blockquote>Its a good argument. But...what does Inny have to do with any of this? Innoruuk is going to end the world? Inny is going to save the world? I just don't see where this could go. I mean, what would Inny get out of destroying his worshipers? Props from the other gods as they close down shop while the nameless makes final adjustments on EQ3?I can see Veeshan or Kerafyrm being the end of the world. I could see the greenmist being the end of the world. I could see Theer being the end of the world. Inny? Why would Inny destroy his powerbase? His followers? His toy? Why?

The_Cheeseman

11-26-2009, 02:24 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The symbol in the center of the red symbols appears to be the symbol of Innoruuk, or has been used by him. See this: <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=83358" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=83358</a> which uses the symbol. All the places where the symbol has been used (without also including the rest of the symbols in the red circle) are places where Innoruuk would be revered (such as the dwellings of dark elves: Neriak and Najena).I also think that the central blue symbol, which has been referred-to as the Ankh of Y'dal, is in fact, the symbol of Mayong Mistmoore. If you analyze the symbol, it begins with a waxing crecent moon, then shows an upward-pointed arrow, followed by a downward-pointing arrow, and ends with a waning crescent moon. To me, the waxing and waning crescent moons represent the beginning an end of the age, while the arrows represent Mayong's apotheosis and subsequent return to mortality. However, it could also refer to Zebuxoruk, who is known for having attained and shed divinity in the past, now being known as 'the Ungod'.It is interesting to me that the central figures of the circles could be Innoruuk and Mayong, especially considering the fact that Mayong's minions in Evernight Abbey mention a curse placed upon them by Innoruuk, and that the Y'dal were supposedly created from a drop of Innoruuk's blood. What other connections are there between Mayong and Innoruuk?</blockquote>Its a good argument. But...what does Inny have to do with any of this? Innoruuk is going to end the world? Inny is going to save the world? I just don't see where this could go. I mean, what would Inny get out of destroying his worshipers? Props from the other gods as they close down shop while the nameless makes final adjustments on EQ3?I can see Veeshan or Kerafyrm being the end of the world. I could see the greenmist being the end of the world. I could see Theer being the end of the world. Inny? Why would Inny destroy his powerbase? His followers? His toy? Why?</blockquote>I don't think it's a good idea to assume that the central figure of one of these sets of symbols must represent the "end of the world." We don't know what it represents, really. It could just mean that Innoruuk is central to the events taking place. Notice how the leaders of the 5 vampire clans in Evernight Abbey mention being cursed by Innoruuk? Notice how Erollisi was killed by agents of Hate? Notice how Mayong spent a long time living in the Plane of Hate while he was supposedly a deity? Innoruuk has his hand in a LOT of plots on Norrath. I doubt it's by coincidence.

Meirril

11-26-2009, 04:38 AM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The symbol in the center of the red symbols appears to be the symbol of Innoruuk, or has been used by him. See this: <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=83358" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=83358</a> which uses the symbol. All the places where the symbol has been used (without also including the rest of the symbols in the red circle) are places where Innoruuk would be revered (such as the dwellings of dark elves: Neriak and Najena).I also think that the central blue symbol, which has been referred-to as the Ankh of Y'dal, is in fact, the symbol of Mayong Mistmoore. If you analyze the symbol, it begins with a waxing crecent moon, then shows an upward-pointed arrow, followed by a downward-pointing arrow, and ends with a waning crescent moon. To me, the waxing and waning crescent moons represent the beginning an end of the age, while the arrows represent Mayong's apotheosis and subsequent return to mortality. However, it could also refer to Zebuxoruk, who is known for having attained and shed divinity in the past, now being known as 'the Ungod'.It is interesting to me that the central figures of the circles could be Innoruuk and Mayong, especially considering the fact that Mayong's minions in Evernight Abbey mention a curse placed upon them by Innoruuk, and that the Y'dal were supposedly created from a drop of Innoruuk's blood. What other connections are there between Mayong and Innoruuk?</blockquote>Its a good argument. But...what does Inny have to do with any of this? Innoruuk is going to end the world? Inny is going to save the world? I just don't see where this could go. I mean, what would Inny get out of destroying his worshipers? Props from the other gods as they close down shop while the nameless makes final adjustments on EQ3?I can see Veeshan or Kerafyrm being the end of the world. I could see the greenmist being the end of the world. I could see Theer being the end of the world. Inny? Why would Inny destroy his powerbase? His followers? His toy? Why?</blockquote>I don't think it's a good idea to assume that the central figure of one of these sets of symbols must represent the "end of the world." We don't know what it represents, really. It could just mean that Innoruuk is central to the events taking place. Notice how the leaders of the 5 vampire clans in Evernight Abbey mention being cursed by Innoruuk? Notice how Erollisi was killed by agents of Hate? Notice how Mayong spent a long time living in the Plane of Hate while he was supposedly a deity? Innoruuk has his hand in a LOT of plots on Norrath. I doubt it's by coincidence.</blockquote>Ok, each symbol in the calendar has represented an event that leads to the end of the calendar. Its a dooms day calendar. The last symbol should be the end of the calendar, and thus dooms day. If Inny is the central symbol, that means an event with Inny as they key figure will be then end. Inny? What is Inny going to do? Team up with Theer out of spite? Kill Theer and usrurp his position? Take the place of the nameless and kill us all to restart the world?Maybe we'll follow in the footsteps of EQ1 and the world will really end. Maybe we'll have an entire expansion to rebuild the world. Personally, I'm not done with this world yet, so I'd rather not go there. But, its a possability.

Triasa

11-26-2009, 05:39 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The symbol in the center of the red symbols appears to be the symbol of Innoruuk, or has been used by him. See this: <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=83358" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?item=83358</a> which uses the symbol. All the places where the symbol has been used (without also including the rest of the symbols in the red circle) are places where Innoruuk would be revered (such as the dwellings of dark elves: Neriak and Najena).I also think that the central blue symbol, which has been referred-to as the Ankh of Y'dal, is in fact, the symbol of Mayong Mistmoore. If you analyze the symbol, it begins with a waxing crecent moon, then shows an upward-pointed arrow, followed by a downward-pointing arrow, and ends with a waning crescent moon. To me, the waxing and waning crescent moons represent the beginning an end of the age, while the arrows represent Mayong's apotheosis and subsequent return to mortality. However, it could also refer to Zebuxoruk, who is known for having attained and shed divinity in the past, now being known as 'the Ungod'.It is interesting to me that the central figures of the circles could be Innoruuk and Mayong, especially considering the fact that Mayong's minions in Evernight Abbey mention a curse placed upon them by Innoruuk, and that the Y'dal were supposedly created from a drop of Innoruuk's blood. What other connections are there between Mayong and Innoruuk?</blockquote>Its a good argument. But...what does Inny have to do with any of this? Innoruuk is going to end the world? Inny is going to save the world? I just don't see where this could go. I mean, what would Inny get out of destroying his worshipers? Props from the other gods as they close down shop while the nameless makes final adjustments on EQ3?I can see Veeshan or Kerafyrm being the end of the world. I could see the greenmist being the end of the world. I could see Theer being the end of the world. Inny? Why would Inny destroy his powerbase? His followers? His toy? Why?</blockquote>I don't think it's a good idea to assume that the central figure of one of these sets of symbols must represent the "end of the world." We don't know what it represents, really. It could just mean that Innoruuk is central to the events taking place. Notice how the leaders of the 5 vampire clans in Evernight Abbey mention being cursed by Innoruuk? Notice how Erollisi was killed by agents of Hate? Notice how Mayong spent a long time living in the Plane of Hate while he was supposedly a deity? Innoruuk has his hand in a LOT of plots on Norrath. I doubt it's by coincidence.</blockquote>Ok, each symbol in the calendar has represented an event that leads to the end of the calendar. Its a dooms day calendar. The last symbol should be the end of the calendar, and thus dooms day. If Inny is the central symbol, that means an event with Inny as they key figure will be then end. Inny? What is Inny going to do? Team up with Theer out of spite? Kill Theer and usrurp his position? Take the place of the nameless and kill us all to restart the world?Maybe we'll follow in the footsteps of EQ1 and the world will really end. Maybe we'll have an entire expansion to rebuild the world. Personally, I'm not done with this world yet, so I'd rather not go there. But, its a possability.</blockquote>Actually, in most "calendar rounds" (which this appears to be a form of), the central symbol usually represents the era; i.e. This would be the "Era of Innoruuk/Mayong/Theer/Veeshan/etc." The actual events would be read clockwise around the central symbol.Of course, there's no evidence they're following the mesoamerican "calendar round," but it's the closest thing in our world to the doomsday calendar they've shown us.

Arbreth

12-07-2009, 06:10 PM

Taking a huge swing at this post to knock it back into play.SPOILER!!!!! (if you do not play on Test that is)((yes, yes - do the highlight thing))We see the overlapped symbols again in Dethknell, again the red are stronger than the blue, but it is the blue inner symbol at the 2 o'clock position that interests me immediately. Beyond that, is there any translation/speculation on the inner symbols at all? This thread is full of stuff about the outer ring and the two center images, but what about the inner ring?

Triasa

12-08-2009, 02:13 AM

<cite>Arbreth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Beyond that, is there any translation/speculation on the inner symbols at all? This thread is full of stuff about the outer ring and the two center images, but what about the inner ring?</blockquote>There's been some discussion (I think earlier in this thread, in fact), but nothing conclusive so far. My best guesses:12 o'clock - Brell2 o'clock - I have a guess, but it's complete speculation based on no facts, lol.4 o'clock - Prexus?8 o'clock - I'm torn on this one. A few possibilities, but again, it's all wild speculation.10 o'clock - Seems to be Erollsi's symbol

Stubbswick

12-08-2009, 02:10 PM

Ok, so I was looking through old EQ1 screenshots after reading some of the earlier posts in this thread, and I came across a picture of a random clockwork spider in Ak'Anon. This red symbol, the one from the Chelsith stone, appears glowing beneath it. Someone from the EQ1 lore thread was posting a lot of places where that appeared in old screenshots.To me, this is an important symbol, probably dealing with Creation. To me, it almost has to be something like that to be found in such a common place as on a clockwork. Think of it almost like a cross in our world. It's a symbol of great importance that has a story behind it, but it's become common enough that you find it a lot of places. Maybe not the best analogy, but my point is that I think at least in EQ1, there were quite a few people familiar with this symbol, and what it meant.Now, this brings up a few interesting questions to me in EQ2. We don't really see this symbol very many places. Was the knowledge of this symbol "lost"? Furthermore, I find it interesting that Mayong is so concerned with getting the Chelsith stone. He was around in a time when this symbol was commonplace. This leads me to guess that he wants the Chelsith stone for other reasons - perhaps to see those smaller symbols, and to study them (the smaller engraved circles). Maybe they're more important to the mystery than the larger symbols, which are/were commonly known in Norrath, even if not by us.

Coniaric

12-08-2009, 05:07 PM

All of those runes are prophecies - most, if not all - and aren't just representative of a deity or two.For instance, "Erollisi's symbol" may be a prophecy of her demise and Valor's distraction.And apparently, the events are happening and aren't even stopped one way or other.

Triasa

12-08-2009, 09:05 PM

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>All of those runes are prophecies - most, if not all - and aren't just representative of a deity or two.For instance, "Erollisi's symbol" may be a prophecy of her demise and Valor's distraction.</blockquote>I had hoped that was understood <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />I was just listing the dominant theme I associate with each one - determining it's meaning depends on how we can fit them into the context of the entire thing.

The_Cheeseman

12-09-2009, 01:55 AM

It should be clarified that the Shissar found those runes amongst the planes and used them to build a calendar. The original purpose of the runes (if there even was one) is unknown, we only know that the Shissar used certain ones to refer to various events that they prophesied would occur.For example, the rune we know as Sunder was seen by the Queen in a vision of Luclin's explosion. The rune could refer to the moon itself, to whatever entity caused its destruction, or to the event in general. For all we know, the rune could just be an ancient planar pictogram that means simply, "explosion." We can only guess at their meaning using the context in which we have seen them used.The devs have even stated (in the usual cryptic fashion) that many of the runes we associate with Norrathian groups (referring specifically the "circle with wings" that was used by the Combine Empire) were not the invention of said groups, and that those who adopted the runes as their symbols may not even realize the true meaning of them.

Coniaric

12-09-2009, 05:33 AM

<cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>All of those runes are prophecies - most, if not all - and aren't just representative of a deity or two.For instance, "Erollisi's symbol" may be a prophecy of her demise and Valor's distraction.</blockquote>I had hoped that was understood <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />I was just listing the dominant theme I associate with each one - determining it's meaning depends on how we can fit them into the context of the entire thing.</blockquote>It was.I was mentioning in general: Don't get pigeonholed into one idea, or one meaning, of something.It doesn't necessarily mean you in particular, at least.

Lodrelhai

12-09-2009, 06:14 AM

Seeing how Will of a Tyrant goes live tomorrow, figured I'd post a couple spoilers. I'm linking to the pictures rather than posting them here, so folks who want to wait to see it in the quests can. I will say that at the end of each quest, we are presented with several copies of either the Qeynos Claymore or Soulfire, only one of which is real.This first image is at the end of the questline in Qeynos. It involves the Qeynos Claymore and the blue calendar, but from what I remember there's no mention if the Claymore is specifically tied to one of the symbols, beyond the real one being in a particular position.<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33283192@N00/4171493954/" target="_blank">The Qeynos Claymore</a>The next two images are at the end of the questline in Freeport. At first both the blue and the red calendars are shown, presenting a riddle for anyone who wishes to claim Soulfire. When the riddle is solved, the blue symbols disappear. In this case, the positioning is significant, and the dialogue positively identifies one of the calendar symbols. (Dialogue is quoted in the description of the second image.)<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33283192@N00/4171493964/in/set-72157602341690218/" target="_blank">Soulfire's Riddle</a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33283192@N00/4170736795/in/set-72157602341690218/" target="_blank">The Riddle's Solution</a>Hope folks find this helpful.

Mirander_1

12-09-2009, 06:27 PM

After having played through the Qeynos quest, it does indeed sound like the 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock symbols do stand for either the Claymore and Soulfire, or maybe Antonia and LucanSo here's my thought on the calendar as a whole:The center symbol (the bat) is TheerThe outer ring of symbols is a series of events, perhaps listing the things that must happen before Theer is freed.The symbols inside the circle represent the things that trapped Theer in the Void.-the two blue symbols represent Lucan and the Bayle family's stewardship of his swords-the numerous red symbols... maybe the gods who imprisoned him?-and the Ankh of Y'Dal overlapping the Theer symbol perhaps shows the thing that's trapping him (maybe the Ankh is the lock, while the swords are the key?)

Dreyco

12-09-2009, 10:32 PM

I remember the middle symbol being confirmed as the symbol of Veeshan somewhere. Can't remember where I read it thought.

Mirander_1

12-09-2009, 11:27 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember the middle symbol being confirmed as the symbol of Veeshan somewhere. Can't remember where I read it thought.</blockquote>I don't think it's ever been confirmed, it's just been the thing we've commonly believed. But after seeing what Theer looks like, it isn't hard to imagine that the symbol is for him.-----To continue my rambling theorycrafting; I've been looking at the outer ring of symbols, and if it is indeed a calendar, then it just doesn't match up well with it counting down to Theer's return from the Void. If the symbols mean what I think they mean, then the furthest along we're likely to be is the 4:30 symbol with Sentinel's Fate. I still think the calendar's about Theer, just not his return from the Void. Perhaps Theer is going to be key to Age's End, either as the cause, or the foil to it (again, assuming that Age's End isn't the Void invasion).So, here's the countdown on the calendar, as I see it:-12:00 Rune of Awakening: Kerafrym awakens-1:30 Rune of Sunder: Luclin Shatters-3:00 Rune of Vul: the Void invasion, as it has occurred so far-4:30: whatever happens in Sentinel's Fate- 6:00: something tied to the Combine Empire-7:30: something tied to Rallosians?-9:00: probably an Underfoot expansion, with lots of revelations regarding the Ratonga-10:30: not a clue And then Age's End happens.

The_Cheeseman

12-10-2009, 12:14 AM

As I have mentioned above, the large "bat-like" symbol in the center of the red circle is used as Innoruuk's symbol. Whether he "appropriated" it or not is left to be seen, but it is most definitely used to symbolize the Prince of Hate.

Obzidian

12-10-2009, 01:12 PM

I would argue that instead of the bat symbol (I call it the evil bunny of doom) being related to Innoruuk, that it has instead been related to dark elves and undeath. In EverQuest, it was found all over Neriak (it was, in fact, the city's symbol) and then the full red part of the calendar as it were was found in places where undeath was or where necromantic rituals had occured for the most part. There are a few exceptions (aviak posts in Rathetear for example) but that's generally how it is. And when I say its everywhere I mean it. Its on chairs, pots, doors, walls, etc. The tie to Innoruuk is there, but its more closely tied to the dark elves and places they've been. The 10'oclock symbol that is pawlike. I was thinking about it and I think that instead of it refering to Antonia or Qeynos, that it is instead related to the Marrs or perhaps the Order of Marr. The paw symbol is found in Shard of Love keeping the door shut. The Claymore was hidden by the Order of Marr. Antonia herself didn't have it. That leaves us with the symbol relating to Lucan. Its also interesting that the blue and red rings appear together in Freeport and then the blue ring fades leaving the red one (undeath association there too) whereas in Qeynos, the blue ring is the only one there. This definitely is bigger than the Shissar calendar =)

Stubbswick

12-10-2009, 03:49 PM

Yeah, I'm not 100% sold on the bunny rabbit symbol representing Inny. It could, based on some theories, but I don't think the fact that he or his children use it a lot means that it's definitely him.Lets say it belongs to Theer, as other have speculated. Well, the gods thought they had banished him for good, right? Wouldn't Inny be the type to assume the fear and power of that role? Inspiring his followers by calling himself an avatar of the Nameless, and god slayer - the second of which he actually may be at this point, depending on what we find out about Erolissi. But if they thought Theer was gone forever, I could see Inny taking over that symbol as his own.

Coniaric

12-10-2009, 04:22 PM

<cite>Obzidian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its also interesting that the blue and red rings appear together in Freeport and then the blue ring fades leaving the red one (undeath association there too) whereas in Qeynos, the blue ring is the only one there. </blockquote>The reason we don't see the overlapping "calendars" in Qeynos' verison is the Claymore had been long gone before we reached the Chamber where it was hidden. Only things remained were the replicas.We were able to witness the 2 "calendars" in Freeport because Soulfire weren't taken until few minutes later after we arrived.

gamecock0118

12-11-2009, 08:53 PM

Why would either "calendar" be visible in Qeynos if neither the claymore or soulfire were present??

Lodrelhai

12-11-2009, 09:32 PM

Because the claymore was there. The implication is that the Claymore posed a similar riddle to whoever took it that Soulfire did. Just as the blue part of the calendar faded out when Soulfire was correctly claimed leaving the red on the floor, the red one faded out when the claymore was claimed, leaving the blue one on the floor.At least, that's the most likely scenario.

gamecock0118

12-13-2009, 11:45 AM

Yea I understand that. It just seems in the video that each sword causes one of the images to appear, and if there were neither sword present than neither image would be there.See what I mean? I still haven't done the Freeport quest so I haven't seen exactly how it disappears. (From what I hear, I'm obviously misunderstanding OR, at the time we do the quests, the Soulfire is in Qeynos and the Claymore is in Freeport).I wonder in the video which sword (or which hand of Theer) causes which image to appear?

Homeskillet

12-13-2009, 03:40 PM

As far as the clock goes in the quest, the 2:00 o'clock symbol is where the real Soulfire is, which the "Lucanic Knight" says represents Lucan. The Claymore lies at 10:00 o'clock.

Lich

12-14-2009, 06:40 AM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember the middle symbol being confirmed as the symbol of Veeshan somewhere. Can't remember where I read it thought.</blockquote>I don't think it's ever been confirmed, it's just been the thing we've commonly believed. But after seeing what Theer looks like, it isn't hard to imagine that the symbol is for him.-----To continue my rambling theorycrafting; I've been looking at the outer ring of symbols, and if it is indeed a calendar, then it just doesn't match up well with it counting down to Theer's return from the Void. If the symbols mean what I think they mean, then the furthest along we're likely to be is the 4:30 symbol with Sentinel's Fate. I still think the calendar's about Theer, just not his return from the Void. Perhaps Theer is going to be key to Age's End, either as the cause, or the foil to it (again, assuming that Age's End isn't the Void invasion).So, here's the countdown on the calendar, as I see it:-12:00 Rune of Awakening: Kerafrym awakens-1:30 Rune of Sunder: Luclin Shatters-3:00 Rune of Vul: the Void invasion, as it has occurred so far-4:30: whatever happens in Sentinel's Fate- 6:00: something tied to the Combine Empire-7:30: something tied to Rallosians?-9:00: probably an Underfoot expansion, with lots of revelations regarding the Ratonga-10:30: not a clue And then Age's End happens.</blockquote>-7:30: something tied to Rallosians?It has only been seen with orcs

glowsintheda

12-29-2009, 04:09 PM

Found this while digging in the EQ1 lore boards about the symbol as it exists there. It may be worth noting that some of the symbols on the stone may be completly meaningless. <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?start=100&topic_id=50278">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/p...&topic_id=50278</a>Hello lore lovers,This team does have access to all of the original design documents for EQ and for every expansion since. We even have earlier concept docs for a lot of content that was never created or was changed or renamed later. I don't want you to think that all of that stuff is lost. It's not.I have to say that as far as EQ symbology goes, we will easily define what most of them are. Some of them literally mean nothing specific as far as the existing EQ world is concerned, i.e. a mystery. There are occasions where artists simply make cool symbols to associate with an npc or in-game culture. That said, a lot of them mean something that we're not willing to explain just yet.Vahlar

Liched

12-29-2009, 04:55 PM

I think you can go either way with that quote, but considering that the stone itself was given with the translation of the future of eq2 then this particular set is probably more significant than, say, some generic runes on a minor weapon

BleemTeam

12-31-2009, 05:47 PM

I think the term calander is loosely used. I mean why can't it be an ancient civilizations way of Cave Drawing? It's more like they are writing down history I think. Sure it's a prophecy maybe and I suppose they are predicting the Ages End... But really... I really take this at face value as the history of norrath, with some things to come (right now) "The Future of EverQuest II" as in, expansions to come.I mean, Liched had it mostly right i think. Which is what i've said for a year basically.It's veeshan came to norrath, the 3 surrounding her is the pact made by tunare, brell and prexus.Starting (picking a spot) Combine, Rallosian Army, Underfoot, Greenmist, Kerafyrm, Luclin, ____, Quellithuliansinside right ear, you have "Lucan's Symbol" and I speculate that the paw symbol is "Antonia's Symbol" because thats where the Claymore was obtained.The innermost blue symbol is that of potentially the freethinker's ankh.But if we can guess what the symbols are, then you can pretty much predict yourselves the upcoming expansions of EQ2. Which I think is just a nifty way of marketing their xpacs.Mayong is Veeshan in Humanoid Form is my closed-eye dart board throw. He is awakening Theer and giving him weapons so he can kill the gods that pacted against him. There... thats a conspiracy theory for you.

Greyquill

12-31-2009, 07:53 PM

Veeshan, The Wyrmqueen, Mother of all Dragons... probably wouldn't be hanging around Norrath for millennia in the form of a male Y'dal... you know, dragon pride and such, just sayin.

Liched

12-31-2009, 08:41 PM

But the destruction of a moon could be enough for the heat to rise and melt velious which would smother the planet in her velium essence

Cusashorn

01-01-2010, 02:59 PM

<cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>But the destruction of a moon could be enough for the heat to rise and melt velious which would smother the planet in her velium essence</blockquote>Velious did melt, and eventually refroze, as a result of the Cataclysms, but I don't think Luclin had nearly as much of an effect as the Rending had.

BleemTeam

01-05-2010, 05:58 PM

Well that batty symbol is used as Mistmoore's symbol. Look up the Primogen's Jewelry Box, and then some Symbol of Mistmoore as one of the choices. Theres the symbol.

Mary the Prophetess

01-05-2010, 08:05 PM

Well, *IF* the central bat figure is not Veeshan, and is not Theer, then perhaps it stands for the Ydal as a race, rather than Mayong specifically.

BleemTeam

01-07-2010, 09:07 PM

Maybe, that could be a good idea...I still want some concrete answers though. It has been a couple years since the Chelsith stone was introduced...

Mixxit

01-08-2010, 01:39 PM

I still want to know why the outer four symbols were all over the place in Solusek's Eye in EQ1, either the goblins or some solusek worshippers must know a significant amount about them. We know at least one of them was the rune of sunder so it's not just mistmoore and the elven prophet that knew about it

Meirril

01-08-2010, 10:00 PM

<cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>But the destruction of a moon could be enough for the heat to rise and melt velious which would smother the planet in her velium essence</blockquote>Real velium doesn't melt. It is eternal ice. The parts of velious (the continent) that are burried in real velium would cause the surrounding area to re-freeze. Those areas would look much smaller afterward, because there were hundreds of years of regular ice deposited on top of the ancient velium which would be exposed by the melting.Melted velium (if it could melt) would just be water.

Mixxit

01-09-2010, 02:37 AM

Gotcha, thats what i was after, great floods!

Mixxit

01-10-2010, 08:14 AM

So what to make of this new symbol in the trim?<img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/exp06/conservatory/conservatory2.jpg" width="1000" height="625" />

Cusashorn

01-10-2010, 09:34 AM

<cite>Bolly@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>So what to make of this new symbol in the trim?<img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/exp06/conservatory/conservatory2.jpg" width="1000" height="625" /></blockquote>That's just the Erudite's cultural symbol in a different font. You can clearly see the Triangle base supporting the crescent.

Mixxit

01-10-2010, 03:32 PM

I agree, seems a little more rounded this time, almost moon like and some kinda of leaves growing out of it

Coniaric

01-10-2010, 10:34 PM

It's embellished "sigil" symbol.Base shape:<img src="http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/959/rune3ng8.jpg" width="85" height="86" />It's everywhere in Odus and in various styles, but the base shape is still the same. Everybody will get to see how the Erudites apply this to their artwork and archiecture soon.

Gasheron

01-13-2010, 10:20 PM

Just more speculation but... What if the Freethinkers are the ones trying to resurrect Theer? I mean, the group seems to often be involved in the procuring of rare and powerful artifacts. The Claymore and the Soulfire are about as rare and powerful as you can get. And with the Freethinker symbol overlapping Theer's, it could be representing them cooperating, or being one and the same.They also openly oppose Mayong, who has claimed to be attempting to stop the prophecy and Norrath's destruction.I think I remember it being said somewhere that two of the people who were targetted by the void were members of the Freethinkers. If this is so, then that could explain why the void has become so interested in the two weapons, learning of the power they possess. And might also give more reason to the void infiltrating the advisors of both Qeynos and Freeport. Of course that's assuming that the betrayel against Lucan was also a void creature controlling Tayil, as Lucan was imprisoned in the void, and of the semi-similar events that happened to Antonia.If this is correct, and the Freethinkers are the ones to bring about Theer's resurrection, then the prophecy would seem to say that the joining of the Freethinkers and both swords would start the downfall, which is the blue part of the prophecy, and Theer would come back to actually perform it, like the red part of the prophecy. I don't remember what the three inner red symbols mean, so I don't know how they'd fit into that theory.

Rainmare

01-13-2010, 11:31 PM

the freethinkers oppose mayong because he's a vampire. or actually THE vampire. while the freethinkers do collect powerful artifacts and such, they do so with the intention of using them against powers like Mayong and probably Theer and the Void. I would guess the freethinking symbol being prominent with the Theer one on in the color coding may have things to do with thier influence. the Freethikers are very much a norrathian 'Illuminati' or 'Freemason' kind of society. they have thier fingers in everything, and keep out of sight. they had agents in New Tunaria, they have agents in Kunark, they have them in the shattered lands (one was spying/keep tabs on the guild hall construction) about the only places we've been that we haven't seen the Freethinkers is kos...since we first offically ran into them in the Peacock Club in DoF.on the negative side of things, the Void's influence stretchs far and wide as well, through possession of powerful norrathians and thier anchors, the push by Anashti to Norrath as well. they were hidden in Lavastorm and Kunark until recently exposed, and we've seen thier anchors in the moors, eof, and the shattered lands. the only place the Void seems inactive is DoF and KoS...except that now Anashti's prophet adn the avatar of the Forgotten One herself have made thier basecamp in the desert near the city that once worshipper her.

Gasheron

01-13-2010, 11:42 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the freethinkers oppose mayong because he's a vampire. or actually THE vampire. while the freethinkers do collect powerful artifacts and such, they do so with the intention of using them against powers like Mayong and probably Theer and the Void. I would guess the freethinking symbol being prominent with the Theer one on in the color coding may have things to do with thier influence. the Freethikers are very much a norrathian 'Illuminati' or 'Freemason' kind of society. they have thier fingers in everything, and keep out of sight. they had agents in New Tunaria, they have agents in Kunark, they have them in the shattered lands (one was spying/keep tabs on the guild hall construction) about the only places we've been that we haven't seen the Freethinkers is kos...since we first offically ran into them in the Peacock Club in DoF.</blockquote>Honestly though, how much do we really know about their group? Other than that they oppose Mistmoore and hunt down vampires and werewolves? Why would such a group be featured so prominently in the Prophecy? And why don't we know more about their history?

Mixxit

01-14-2010, 06:56 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the only place the Void seems inactive is DoF and KoS...except that now Anashti's prophet adn the avatar of the Forgotten One herself have made thier basecamp in the desert near the city that once worshipper her.</blockquote>Don't forget that rikantus everling is in maj'dul and alot of the artifacts and people that brought Anashti back were because of DoF

Cusashorn

01-14-2010, 10:01 AM

<cite>Bolly@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the only place the Void seems inactive is DoF and KoS...except that now Anashti's prophet adn the avatar of the Forgotten One herself have made thier basecamp in the desert near the city that once worshipper her.</blockquote>Don't forget that rikantus everling is in maj'dul and alot of the artifacts and people that brought Anashti back were because of DoF</blockquote>Yes, but that's Anashti herself, not the void. Despite the connection between the two, there's a complete difference in relation.

Mixxit

01-14-2010, 10:14 AM

No Rikantus is directly related to the void! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Wilin

02-18-2010, 11:08 PM

Could the blue+red symbols represent the Monoliths of Theer?Could the central blue figure represent Mayong?Has anyone tried using the Maidens of Theer statues in PoA with both weapons in inventory?

BleemTeam

03-02-2010, 09:33 PM

with the level increase, it might be easier navigating around castle mistmoore and other zones, might be worth another look

Triasa

07-21-2010, 09:46 PM

Hmmm, can't believe I just now noticed this:<img src="http://www.lootdb.com/eq2/examine/1312880666.jpg" />So it's not Rallos represented in the lower left after all...

Cusashorn

07-21-2010, 09:50 PM

<cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm, can't believe I just now noticed this:<img src="http://www.lootdb.com/eq2/examine/1312880666.jpg" />So it's not Rallos represented in the lower left after all...</blockquote>The icons really have nothing to do with anything. They're just item graphics. That symbol is still associated more Rallos Zek's races, and has been for much longer in history, than with El'Arad.Besides. It's just a seal that bears an imprint of Arad's power. Chances are he could have done the same with anything else, but just chose whatever that little stone is.

Triasa

07-21-2010, 09:57 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm, can't believe I just now noticed this:<img src="http://www.lootdb.com/eq2/examine/1312880666.jpg" />So it's not Rallos represented in the lower left after all...</blockquote>The icons really have nothing to do with anything. They're just item graphics. That symbol is still associated more Rallos Zek's races, and has been for much longer in history, than with El'Arad.Besides. It's just a seal that bears an imprint of Arad's power. Chances are he could have done the same with anything else, but just chose whatever that little stone is.</blockquote>You know, you got me thinking now... Paineel's fighting both El'Arad and the Tallonites. There's a possible alliance there, between the Zeks and El'Arad. Might explain why his minions are in possession of these things.Or, like the use of these symbols in EoF, it could be nothing, lol.

Cusashorn

07-22-2010, 01:13 AM

You do raise a nice string theory there. Now you got me wondering about that.

Eveningsong

07-22-2010, 12:34 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm, can't believe I just now noticed this:<img src="http://www.lootdb.com/eq2/examine/1312880666.jpg" />So it's not Rallos represented in the lower left after all...</blockquote>The icons really have nothing to do with anything. They're just item graphics. That symbol is still associated more Rallos Zek's races, and has been for much longer in history, than with El'Arad.Besides. It's just a seal that bears an imprint of Arad's power. Chances are he could have done the same with anything else, but just chose whatever that little stone is.</blockquote>I'm not sure about the icon not having to do with anything. Players have commented several times about how difficult it is to read number on the seal icon and asking for it to be changed, and the dev response has been that they didn't want to change it because of the lore behind the symbol...

Barx

07-22-2010, 12:47 PM

<cite>Eveningsong wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I'm not sure about the icon not having to do with anything. Players have commented several times about how difficult it is to read number on the seal icon and asking for it to be changed, and the dev response has been that they didn't want to change it because of the lore behind the symbol...</blockquote>They might have been talking about the Mark of Manar icon rather than the seal icon in terms of having a lore association. However, the Tallonites definately do bear more explaining/story.

Gungo

07-23-2010, 04:19 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm, can't believe I just now noticed this:<img src="http://www.lootdb.com/eq2/examine/1312880666.jpg" />So it's not Rallos represented in the lower left after all...</blockquote>The icons really have nothing to do with anything. They're just item graphics. That symbol is still associated more Rallos Zek's races, and has been for much longer in history, than with El'Arad.Besides. It's just a seal that bears an imprint of Arad's power. Chances are he could have done the same with anything else, but just chose whatever that little stone is.</blockquote>When people were complaining about the number on the token being invisiible when stakced and wanting to change the icon or its color the developers specifically stated that the icons on the tokens are there for LORE purposes. In other words they are NOT item graphics they are intended to be there for LORE.

Mustang8259

07-25-2010, 04:19 AM

I understand what you're saying... but I think you're missunderstanding the others... they don't want to alter the symbol, not necesarilly that it's a placeholder for that particular item. Personally i've given up on trying to associate each of those symbols with a praticular diety or event, because it feels like every time the devs can't come up with a symbol for an item or something, they say "Hey, let's just re-use one of those lore symbols we keep floating around to keep everyone guessing about what they really relate to." Until a Dev denies that i'm sorry, but i've seen the symbols re-used on way, way too many different items that seem to have abosultely no relevance to eachother. I wish I still had the screenies, but I'm pretty sure that symbol is even on a stone pillar outside the cave that leads to the Crushbone area in Gfay, now how would that relate to anything in which your currently talking the symbol could relate to? =p

Uncaged

07-26-2010, 12:09 AM

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I understand what you're saying... but I think you're missunderstanding the others... they don't want to alter the symbol, not necesarilly that it's a placeholder for that particular item. Personally i've given up on trying to associate each of those symbols with a praticular diety or event, because it feels like every time the devs can't come up with a symbol for an item or something, they say "Hey, let's just re-use one of those lore symbols we keep floating around to keep everyone guessing about what they really relate to." Until a Dev denies that i'm sorry, but i've seen the symbols re-used on way, way too many different items that seem to have abosultely no relevance to eachother. I wish I still had the screenies, but I'm pretty sure that symbol is even on a stone pillar outside the cave that leads to the Crushbone area in Gfay, now how would that relate to anything in which your currently talking the symbol could relate to? =p</blockquote>Shrug. Orcs, Zek? Who knows........

Aerfen

09-30-2010, 02:23 PM

Sorry to rez an older thread, but I'm hoping someone can help me...Does anyone have a picture of the calendar drawn out (like they did it in photoshop or whatnot)? And was there ever a consensus on what each symbol means? I'm sure this has probably been answered somewhere, but I've not found it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Thanks in advance!!

Rezikai

09-30-2010, 10:41 PM

<cite>Aerfen@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry to rez an older thread, but I'm hoping someone can help me...Does anyone have a picture of the calendar drawn out (like they did it in photoshop or whatnot)? And was there ever a consensus on what each symbol means? I'm sure this has probably been answered somewhere, but I've not found it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Thanks in advance!!</blockquote>here ya go! #1 from eq1<img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/746/819.JPG" width="720" height="720" />The ring from Anashti's room in EQ2<img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/746/821.JPG" width="720" height="720" />the merge...<img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/746/242.JPG" width="720" height="720" />

Aerfen

10-01-2010, 01:28 AM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aerfen@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry to rez an older thread, but I'm hoping someone can help me...Does anyone have a picture of the calendar drawn out (like they did it in photoshop or whatnot)? And was there ever a consensus on what each symbol means? I'm sure this has probably been answered somewhere, but I've not found it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Thanks in advance!!</blockquote>here ya go! #1 from eq1 <snipped>The ring from Anashti's room in EQ2<snipped>the merge...<snipped></blockquote>YAY!!! Thank you so very much!!

Maergoth

10-01-2010, 11:34 AM

As far as I know, we've only been able to pin a few down. Problem is, some of these symbols are lost to us in EQ2 and you'd actually have to go back into EQ1 and look around to find answers.

Cusashorn

10-01-2010, 12:39 PM

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>As far as I know, we've only been able to pin a few down. Problem is, some of these symbols are lost to us in EQ2 and you'd actually have to go back into EQ1 and look around to find answers.</blockquote>You won't find the answers to those symbols in EQlive, that's for sure. The importance of the runes and decyphering what they mean is a problem only addressed in EQ2. Yeah, they showed up in EQlive, but their importance wasn't even mentioned or attempted.

Llogwey

10-13-2010, 01:45 PM

Well, I just saw that the following picture had not been posted anywhere and though I don't know if I have the right to post it here... I think it can be useful for everybody...(if SOE thinks it has to be removed well, ok...) This image is taken from the 10th Anniversary Everquest hardcover book, and it has many details and explanations that should still be used I suppose, unless our dear Cronyn says otherwise?<img src="http://eq2artisans.faerylands.eu/screens/shissar.jpg" width="741" height="615" />

Mary the Prophetess

10-13-2010, 02:51 PM

Whoa!

Whilhelmina

10-13-2010, 04:28 PM

yeah, what he forgot to say is that he summed up all the pics for the french board. Text is in french (but it's just what is said in this topic anyway), but all the major images are on the same opening post !<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=488573" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=488573</a>

Xalmat

10-13-2010, 05:09 PM

It dawned on me that the three wavy lines might represent one of two things:Prexus, where the wavy lines literally represent the waves of the ocean.Or the Scars of Velious, where Veeshan herself left three gigantic claw marks on the continent of Velious.As mentioned by the Duality in the prelude quest (in case anyone missed it), the outermost ring might represent the timeline of events that leads to Age's End, whereas the innermost ring might represent events that must occur to prevent Age's End.

Cusashorn

10-13-2010, 05:27 PM

It may just be coincidence, but those 3 wavey lines did show up on ancient images on the walls of Upper Guk in EQlive, along with crude images of frogloks, as if depicting a story.

Maergoth

10-13-2010, 05:38 PM

Panel 1: EQOA? or maybe an untouched prequelPanel 2: Everquest LivePanel 3: Everquest 2Panel 4: Later EQ2 / EQLive expansion

Xalmat

10-13-2010, 06:44 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>It may just be coincidence, but those 3 wavey lines did show up on ancient images on the walls of Upper Guk in EQlive, along with crude images of frogloks, as if depicting a story.</blockquote>Interesting.I'm actually curious. Who created the Frogloks? I know Mithaniel Marr blessed them, but who originally created them?

Hilt

10-13-2010, 09:22 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>It may just be coincidence, but those 3 wavey lines did show up on ancient images on the walls of Upper Guk in EQlive, along with crude images of frogloks, as if depicting a story.</blockquote>Interesting.I'm actually curious. Who created the Frogloks? I know Mithaniel Marr blessed them, but who originally created them?</blockquote>Courtesy of the Everquest 1 manual...The Elder Age :"In time the other gods noticed <a title="Veeshan" href="/wiki/Veeshan">Veeshan</a>'s work, and being often petty and jealous beings, they too came upon <a title="Norrath" href="/wiki/Norrath">Norrath</a>, intent upon leaving their mark.<a title="Brell Serilis" href="/wiki/Brell_Serilis">Brell Serilis</a> was first, and from his Plane of Underfoot, a dark realm of vast caves and endless tunnels, he quietly created a magical portal to a cavern deep in the belly of Norrath. Through this portal the Duke of Underfoot seeded the depths of <a title="Norrath" href="/wiki/Norrath">Norrath</a> with all manner of creatures. Brell then returned home, sealing his portal within a labyrinthine chamber of mystical Living Stone.And when the other gods came to <a title="Norrath" href="/wiki/Norrath">Norrath</a>, <a title="Brell Serilis" href="/wiki/Brell_Serilis">Brell Serilis</a> approached each of them, and after some time convinced them to meet as one to discuss the fate of the world.The Great Mother <a title="Tunare" href="/wiki/Tunare">Tunare</a>, and <a title="Prexus" href="/wiki/Prexus">Prexus</a>, The Oceanlord were in attendance, and <a title="Rallos Zek" href="/wiki/Rallos_Zek">Rallos Zek</a>, the warlord, was also there, yet in mistrust kept his distance.Brell, carefully avoiding all queries as to the origins of his information, told of <a title="Veeshan" href="/wiki/Veeshan">Veeshan</a>'s discovery of the new and potentially powerful world in which she had deposited her brood.Words befit of the King of Thieves poured forth from Brell's lips and he proposed that they accept an alliance of sorts, to which all save <a title="Rallos Zek" href="/wiki/Rallos_Zek">Rallos Zek</a> agreed, ignorant of the fact that Brell had already released some of his creations into the Underfoot of this new world.The planet that would be called <a title="Norrath" href="/wiki/Norrath">Norrath</a> was divided up between these beings of power for the purpose of keeping the Dragon Wurmqueen in check.Each would create a race of beings to watch over <a title="Norrath" href="/wiki/Norrath">Norrath</a> and keep a vigilant eye on the schemes of Dragonkind.Brell claimed the bowels of the planet and created the Dwarves, stout and strong, deep beneath the mountains of Norrath.In the abysmal depths of the oceans <a title="Prexus" href="/wiki/Prexus">Prexus</a> left his children, the Kedge, hearty aquatic beings of great mental power and stamina.And on the surface of <a title="Norrath" href="/wiki/Norrath">Norrath</a> did <a title="Tunare" href="/wiki/Tunare">Tunare</a> create the Elves, creatures of limitless grace and beauty, and <a title="Rallos Zek" href="/wiki/Rallos_Zek">Rallos Zek</a> the Giants, fierce and formidable beings, intent upon the defense of their lands."So Brell Serilis gave life to the depths Norrath and Mithaniel Marr watched over them and nurtured their species.What deity they follow now is player defined...Mine follows Karana because I can't see myself following a guy obsessed with his "dead" sister...

Xalmat

10-13-2010, 10:38 PM

Thanks for this, but it really doesn't say who specifically created the Frogloks. Unless you are implying they are a creation of Brell Serilis.

Cusashorn

10-13-2010, 10:52 PM

From Pond To Paladin in the Plane of Knowledge supposedly explains that the original Froglok race was also created by Mithanial Marr, but this info was revealed quite late into the game, and could have been a retcon itself. However, there wasn't any other theories or speculation of where the original race came from other than that during that whole time.Wait... did those stories explain how the first froglok race came to intellegence from Mithanial Marr as well? I don't remember exactly if it says that the race was created by Mithanial Marr, or just given intellegence by him twice. If he didn't directly create them, then we're right back to where we started.

Mary the Prophetess

10-14-2010, 12:33 AM

The "From Pond to Paladin" volumes in EQ2 are an exact copy of those from EQ Live:<a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=170">http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=170</a>

Xalmat

10-14-2010, 12:52 AM

Now that does explain Froglok origins. Thank you.I suspected there was a link between Prexus and the Frogloks, but the only link is indirect: Tarew Marr is the father of Mithaniel and Erollisi Marr, and is the Elemental god of liquid water. Without Tarew Marr's elemental power of water, there would be no need for Prexus.I'd be willing to bet the "From Pond to Paladin" story is itself a retcon, which was throw in only after Frogloks became a playable race in EQ1, several years after EQ1 released.

Iskandar

10-14-2010, 03:46 AM

If I remember correctly, Frogloks were intended to be a playable race from the beginning of EQ2, just unlocked via questing to make them more unique (and also because they weren't quite ready at release hehe!)

Wilin

10-14-2010, 06:23 PM

Yeah, Frogloks were not playable on either game at launch. They came to EQ1 with the Legacy of Ykesha expansion. And EQ2 after the Spirits of the Lost quest was completed for the first time on the server.

Meirril

10-14-2010, 07:05 PM

I think Perexus is only responsable for one race, possibly two. He definately created the Kedge. Unfortunately the race was made nearly extinct by Phingle in an attempt to create immortality for the entire race.The Ya'lei worship Perexus. The Ya'lei speak goblin. The only example of a fishman race in EQ1 was the Lugalds (that look similar to Ya'lei) who were created by Innoruuk. While it is possible taht Perexus created the Ya'lei, it is also possible that they are an off-shoot race of aqua goblins or indeed either the origionator race for Lugalds, or an off-shoot race of Lugalds. (which came first, and did Innoruuk claim creation when all he did was corrupt another dietie's race, again?) It is even remotely possible that Ya'lei were origionally created by another race. Possibly they could even be creations of the Leviathans when they were more numerous before the dragons destroyed them. Without more in-game lore, we just don't know.

Xalmat

10-15-2010, 04:25 AM

The Yha-lei originally worshipped Prexus. They stopped worshipping him when the gods left Norrath. They call the Leviathan "Chatachonoth", and worship him as a "new" god.It's possible that Prexus also created the Othmir. My knowledge of Othmir lore, unfortunately, is quite limited.

Terron

10-15-2010, 11:41 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm actually curious. Who created the Frogloks? I know Mithaniel Marr blessed them, but who originally created them?</blockquote>Trolls created the Frogloks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />It says so in the History of the Trolls

Cusashorn

10-15-2010, 12:09 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Yha-lei originally worshipped Prexus. They stopped worshipping him when the gods left Norrath. They call the Leviathan "Chatachonoth", and worship him as a "new" god.It's possible that Prexus also created the Othmir. My knowledge of Othmir lore, unfortunately, is quite limited.</blockquote>Correct, the Othmir are also one of Prexus' creations, not that they are really devout or place him in high importance in their culture.