Spirit Circle - LU 51

[flowercivicsi]

<p>Last update out Spirit Circle was made raid wide so small mini wards would proc on any raid member within range of the circle.  Now as soon as LU 51 went in it is back to group only.  There were no notes on this change so I am wondering if something was mixed up with the LU???</p>

[ChrissyFaey]

<p>I've noticed the ability has been reverted too after going through the X2 content today.</p>

[Ceolus]

<p>I just know it was the Mystics.</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>I just want some clairficiation if this was a re-nerf that they did not mention in the notes, or something that did not patch properly when the LU went to live, and may or will be corrected in the next hot fix.</p><p>Not pointing fingers</p>

[Estean1]

<p>Yes, I would like to know this also!  I spent some plat to respec to get some aa's in this ability when they made it hit raidwide. </p>

[ChrissyFaey]

<p>I heard in speculation it had a bit to do with the mechanic that made Spiritual Shrine raid-wide also made Channel and Mana Flow raid wide, which was quite ridiciulous. It's not really a surprise that Spiritual Shrine was made group only again... it was quite overpowered as it was. Maybe if they tweaked the time in which the ward refreshed it would be a bit more acceptable as a raid wide ability.</p><p>Oh, well. Was nice for survivability while it lasted.</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>Aniree, you are about the worst person to say what is or is not good for a raiding defiler or ANY healer class for that matter due to your comments about clerics.  Please keep your comments to youself when you obviously don't understand the fundamentals of how we healer classes work with one another.</p><p>You noticed it on X2's... thanks for your input and confirmation... I have ACT logs from when I was killing Tythus and Penta last night so I don't need nor want your confirmation.   Oh, and I still toped the parse without it... but you know those other raiders were sure hoping to snuggle with me for a little protection from those AE's that you know nothing about.</p><p>I cringed when you replied her earlier as every cleric hates defilers because of you... please do us all a favor and stop posting about healers and what you think is overpowered.  I think you have done enough damage... thanks.</p><p>The raid-wide coercer thing was a fluke... The Shrine was made raid-wide intentionally as it used to be long before you knew what a ward was.  That was in the notes... Perhaps you should try reading them sometime.</p>

[Estean1]

<p>Yes the fact that spiritual circle is hitting the raid is NOT a fluke. It was even announced in the patch notes when it hit. </p><p>Nor is it overpowered.  It is just perfect imho for how the aoe's with TSO raids are currently.  Saying something is overpowered when you don't know what you are talking about -  well let's just say I am resisting the urge to flame you horribly.</p>

[Ceolus]

<p>On the parse it can look OP (because it all adds up), but it's just a parse. In practice it isn't actually OP because all it is to each person is a small ward.</p>

[Cragger]

<p>First off Alaocia you frankly need to calm down and even apologize. We are a small enough community as it is and attacking the few communicative and dedicated members of it is not a wise attitude.</p><p>If the shrine being raid wide is overpowered honestly comes down to the point of view and luck of its user. It dies alot to AoEs, it has a limited range as well. And where it really boosts hps on a parse if thats what you care about is when its applying it ward to lots of choker wearers. Which is common in some raid forces.</p><p>It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc. Unfortunately the change to make it do so also effected other abilities because it was a mechanics change. It caused Coercer's channel to hit raid wide, which was completely unintended.</p><p>They are working on making changes to mechanics to fix these and other issues such as the warden epic restoring power to the target instead of them atm. Apparently for the time being they have decided to revert the change. Not because of how it improved the spiritual shrine.  But because the unintenteded changes needed to be reverted and right now the only way to do so was to change back the mechanic which of course returned the shrine to its original state.</p><p>Hopefully down the road after they make the changes to the game to allow them to fix such issues they will remember to change the shrine back again. But most likely will require alittle reminder <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.</p><p>*edited to spell Alaocia's name properly*</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>I agree with you in regards to the shrine and it's use as well as the placement as well as where you place it for it's effect. I never felt it was over powered even back in the older days when this was raid wide before the first nerf to it.</p><p>However; if what you are suggesting is true with the fixes; I wish that they would have fully corrected it before going live, and not just nerfing everything... then patching it piece by piece later. </p><p>I was actually quite calm and if you knew me better you would see that I was actually being tactful, but portraying my point since now every cleric in the game has a grudge with the defiler class.  At least my alt inquisitor likes me...</p><p>I did not want to see an angry mob all over this post simply because she has posted here, or another massive hate post on EQ2 Flames.  This is why I said "Not pointing fingers", and why I think she may want to not post until the angry mobs put away the pitchforks.</p>

[Shareana]

<p>Let's quit with the insults here please....  there is no need to break the forum rules <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Keep the topic on discussion.</p><p>Thank you!</p>

[Rayche]

<p>Dang... nerfed again huh?</p><p>Well I hope they fix it soon!</p><p>P.S.</p><p>When you get to re-implementing it, can we look at upping it's survivability some more?</p><p>Thx <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>They already hot fixed a number of items, and that was not on the list... nor have we recieved any communication on the status of it... Basically it looks like we got ninja nerfed in LU 51, and we're not worth the time to communicate it...</p><p>Sad that the one thing they gave us, they nerf within 2 months.</p>

[Kegofbud]

<p>You know what else is sad? Bringing up the fact that you had progressed farther then another poster, thus making you more knowledgable then them about how overpowered a class is. Elitest attitude is lose when you're supposed to be part of a community to share information.</p>

[Verrie77]

<p><cite>Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>the healbear etc.</strong> </span></p></blockquote><p>If you thought it was to make it simliar to the healbear then you have to be kidding me <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />You need your shrine to be bigtime nerfed to be even close to how crap that bear is.The Bear isnt raidwide...who ever told you that is wrong...its not even good for our group.The groove is...the fairy is....not the bear.</p>

[Estean1]

<p><cite>Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>You know what else is sad</strong>? Bringing up the fact that you had progressed farther then another poster, thus making you more knowledgable then them about how overpowered a class is. Elitest attitude is lose when you're supposed to be part of a community to share information.</p></blockquote><p>So is posting a completely non-informative and off-subject  post in a thread about a broken mechanic that needs attention. </p><p>I think we can all agree that the way spiritual circle was operating was not overpowered and was definitely intentional. </p><p>I understand why the warden epic was fixed before spiritual circle as it was an extreme change in gameplay to the wardens that was unintentional.  I even understand fixing the Coercer problem before this. </p><p>However,  this problem needs some attention also and it should not be forgotten.  A developer posting that a fix is somewherein the works (don't even have to include a timetable)   would be much appreciated. </p>

[Crazywack]

<p>Inquiring Defiler's want to know!!!!!!</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>3 weeks have passed with no confirmation if this was intended or accidental on Shrine.  We can all keep posting to this and hope for a response... maybe one day someone from the SoE team will comment on this.</p>

[Sedenten]

<p>I've resorted to submitting a /bug report every few days about it, taking care to mention that there is a post on the EQ2player defiler boards concerning the issue as well.</p>

[Cheydak]

<p>Anyone?  Bueller?</p>

[Cragger]

<p><cite>Verrie77 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>the healbear etc.</strong> </span></p></blockquote><p>If you thought it was to make it simliar to the healbear then you have to be kidding me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />You need your shrine to be bigtime nerfed to be even close to how crap that bear is.The Bear isnt raidwide...who ever told you that is wrong...its not even good for our group.The groove is...the fairy is....not the bear.</p></blockquote><p>Okay so the healbear isn't. That isn't really the point of my post now was it? The facts are was spiritual shrine was made raid wide. Obviously with the intent to match other pet healers of other priests. That it was made raid wide was deliberate and stated in the patch notes.</p><p>The facts also are is that at the same time this changed Coercer's Channel and the Mana flow AA began to hit raid wide when used. Obviously this was not intended and was thus effected by the mechanics change that allowed Spiritual Shrine to ward raidwide.</p><p>To fix two errors they reverted the mechanic. As there was no notes that the shrine was to be made back into group wide its an obvious side effect of having to revert the change. I hope eventually a way will be found to make it raid wide in a way that is acceptable to them without effecting other abilities.</p><p>Also Choatley, while you are are quite correct that Alaocia's remark on content progression had no bearing and was improper Estean is right as well in the topic shouldn't be sidetracked over argumentative things. Just let it die in the past. And be content that Alaocia's comment had no actual grounds to begin with at that time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>22 bug reports, 1 petition, post on officials, and no word... /sad panda</p><p>/hugs Choatley <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Yes, my inquisitor/cleric rage came thru as my inquisi is my second love!  I don't have any hate for the guy!</p>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<p>Now that I'm back to the game, I'll take a look at it and see if I can add my 2 cents...  not that it means much with soe...</p>

[Tehom]

<p>It'd be at least nice to know if it was an intentional nerf or just a bug.</p>

[Crazywack]

<p>Still broken.</p><p>Or not?  We don't know because not a peep from SoE about it.</p>

[Rayche]

<p>Would it be wrong to make a post titled "I can't get the station cash site to take my credit card" then slip in the question about our nerfed ability?</p><p>Well... of course it wouldn't be wrong, but it would probably be frowned upon lol.</p>

[Ceolus]

<p>On PvP, they also ninja nerfed Bane Warding without a word (necessary nerf I guess, but are we not worth a sentence?) What's with sneaking changes past defilers these days? :X</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>At this point the only thing that we can do is to continue to submit /bug and /feedback each time we log onto the game.  Then just hope that they actually review the feedback and bugs and we see some type of response from them...</p><p>This is pretty upseting that we are reporting this in all the right ways... yet even with flowing thru the proper channels we have recieved little to no response on this issue.  I am hoping this was not the Producers vision of open dialog with the community as this is rather dissapointing if this was.</p>

[Cheydak]

<p>So...with the promise of more open communcation about this and other issues and bugs discussed on this board, any chance someone from SOE might take a whole minute out of their day and maybe explain to us why this was done?  With the pending nerf to heal procs, it would be marginally helpful to see this ability fixed.</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>The advice I have recieved is to be diligent and continue to /bug and /feedback on this issue.  I continue to do so each time I log into the game as I am seriously hoping for some resolution to this, or at the least clairfication.</p><p>Perhaps if we all continue to do the same eventually this will be addressed.</p>

[Aeralik]

<p>The original fix to this had some unintentional side effects that were not originally caught which caused it to get reverted with the last update.  I did submit another change for gu52 which should in fact fix this properly going forward.</p>

[Cheydak]

<p>Thank you for responding to this, Aeralik, and for fixing it.</p>

[Tehom]

<p>Thanks a ton, Aeralik!</p>

[TwistedFaith]

<p>Any chance of changing the mystic to bear so that it works the same way and at least evens out the shamans?</p><p>As it was before that nerf the healing of of circle was insane on certain fights. Yes we all know defilers get all upset about not being top of the heal parse etc, but in all honestly if your going to make their circle raidwide again then EVERY priests pet should be raidwide.</p><p>The mystic bear is beyond useless, its seriously a complete and utter waste and it amazes me that the spell is still exists honestly. I doubt it will change anytime soon as lets be honest SOE understands next to nothing about the classes anymore and if its not a obvious problem then they'll just leave it, but I thought i'd ask.</p><p>Gratz defilers</p>

[MalkorGodchyld]

<p>Thanks for the post Aeralik...something that small goes a long way <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Estean1]

<p>Thank you Aerialik for responding.  It is much appreciated.  And thank you "Shaman Healer that is not a defiler", for insulting the dev. after he fixed our problem, once again showing how levelheaded, appreciative, and wonderful Defilers really are!  (should make a bear thread if its that much of a problem!)<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Crazywack]

Awesome. Thank you.

[Estean1]

<p>Now if we could just get developers to quit tying in fixes to game updates now that it takes 2-3 months for a GU to come out. </p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>YAY!!! I get back from vacation, and I see this is getting corrected!</p><p>/dances</p><p>Thanks for fixing this!!!</p>

[kyrr]

<p>It's raid wide w/the update on Test today.</p><p>Don't hate mystics. We just want our pet to be useful. Right now it isn't even hot bar worthy.</p>

[flowercivicsi]

<p>No hate here hun, if you read flames I support your cause for it to be upgraded.  There are some really good suggestions that people have posted there. </p><p>Thanks for the update on it working again in test!</p>

[Estean1]

<p>Anyone check?  This hitting raid wide now that GU 52 is out?.. I'm out of town or would check myself.</p>

[Sedenten]

<p><cite>Estean@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Anyone check?  This hitting raid wide now that GU 52 is out?.. I'm out of town or would check myself.</p></blockquote><p>Yup, it's raid wide again.</p>