Spirit Circle - LU 51

flowercivicsi · 03-31-2009, 11:29 PM

Last update out Spirit Circle was made raid wide so small mini wards would proc on any raid member within range of the circle. Now as soon as LU 51 went in it is back to group only. There were no notes on this change so I am wondering if something was mixed up with the LU???

ChrissyFaey · 04-01-2009, 12:59 AM

I've noticed the ability has been reverted too after going through the X2 content today.

Ceolus · 04-01-2009, 01:02 AM

I just know it was the Mystics.

flowercivicsi · 04-01-2009, 10:51 AM

I just want some clairficiation if this was a re-nerf that they did not mention in the notes, or something that did not patch properly when the LU went to live, and may or will be corrected in the next hot fix.

Not pointing fingers

Estean1 · 04-01-2009, 12:02 PM

Yes, I would like to know this also! I spent some plat to respec to get some aa's in this ability when they made it hit raidwide.

ChrissyFaey · 04-01-2009, 01:45 PM

I heard in speculation it had a bit to do with the mechanic that made Spiritual Shrine raid-wide also made Channel and Mana Flow raid wide, which was quite ridiciulous. It's not really a surprise that Spiritual Shrine was made group only again... it was quite overpowered as it was. Maybe if they tweaked the time in which the ward refreshed it would be a bit more acceptable as a raid wide ability.

Oh, well. Was nice for survivability while it lasted.

flowercivicsi · 04-01-2009, 02:06 PM

Aniree, you are about the worst person to say what is or is not good for a raiding defiler or ANY healer class for that matter due to your comments about clerics. Please keep your comments to youself when you obviously don't understand the fundamentals of how we healer classes work with one another.

You noticed it on X2's... thanks for your input and confirmation... I have ACT logs from when I was killing Tythus and Penta last night so I don't need nor want your confirmation. Oh, and I still toped the parse without it... but you know those other raiders were sure hoping to snuggle with me for a little protection from those AE's that you know nothing about.

I cringed when you replied her earlier as every cleric hates defilers because of you... please do us all a favor and stop posting about healers and what you think is overpowered. I think you have done enough damage... thanks.

The raid-wide coercer thing was a fluke... The Shrine was made raid-wide intentionally as it used to be long before you knew what a ward was. That was in the notes... Perhaps you should try reading them sometime.

Estean1 · 04-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Yes the fact that spiritual circle is hitting the raid is NOT a fluke. It was even announced in the patch notes when it hit.

Nor is it overpowered. It is just perfect imho for how the aoe's with TSO raids are currently. Saying something is overpowered when you don't know what you are talking about - well let's just say I am resisting the urge to flame you horribly.

Ceolus · 04-01-2009, 04:47 PM

On the parse it can look OP (because it all adds up), but it's just a parse. In practice it isn't actually OP because all it is to each person is a small ward.

Cragger · 04-01-2009, 05:20 PM

First off Alaocia you frankly need to calm down and even apologize. We are a small enough community as it is and attacking the few communicative and dedicated members of it is not a wise attitude.

If the shrine being raid wide is overpowered honestly comes down to the point of view and luck of its user. It dies alot to AoEs, it has a limited range as well. And where it really boosts hps on a parse if thats what you care about is when its applying it ward to lots of choker wearers. Which is common in some raid forces.

It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc. Unfortunately the change to make it do so also effected other abilities because it was a mechanics change. It caused Coercer's channel to hit raid wide, which was completely unintended.

They are working on making changes to mechanics to fix these and other issues such as the warden epic restoring power to the target instead of them atm. Apparently for the time being they have decided to revert the change. Not because of how it improved the spiritual shrine. But because the unintenteded changes needed to be reverted and right now the only way to do so was to change back the mechanic which of course returned the shrine to its original state.

Hopefully down the road after they make the changes to the game to allow them to fix such issues they will remember to change the shrine back again. But most likely will require alittle reminder .

*edited to spell Alaocia's name properly*

flowercivicsi · 04-01-2009, 06:43 PM

I agree with you in regards to the shrine and it's use as well as the placement as well as where you place it for it's effect. I never felt it was over powered even back in the older days when this was raid wide before the first nerf to it.

However; if what you are suggesting is true with the fixes; I wish that they would have fully corrected it before going live, and not just nerfing everything... then patching it piece by piece later.

I was actually quite calm and if you knew me better you would see that I was actually being tactful, but portraying my point since now every cleric in the game has a grudge with the defiler class. At least my alt inquisitor likes me...

I did not want to see an angry mob all over this post simply because she has posted here, or another massive hate post on EQ2 Flames. This is why I said "Not pointing fingers", and why I think she may want to not post until the angry mobs put away the pitchforks.

Shareana · 04-02-2009, 08:39 AM

Let's quit with the insults here please.... there is no need to break the forum rules

Keep the topic on discussion.

Thank you!

Rayche · 04-07-2009, 01:19 PM

Dang... nerfed again huh?

Well I hope they fix it soon!

P.S.

When you get to re-implementing it, can we look at upping it's survivability some more?

Thx SMILEY

flowercivicsi · 04-13-2009, 11:40 AM

They already hot fixed a number of items, and that was not on the list... nor have we recieved any communication on the status of it... Basically it looks like we got ninja nerfed in LU 51, and we're not worth the time to communicate it...

Sad that the one thing they gave us, they nerf within 2 months.

Kegofbud · 04-13-2009, 12:22 PM

You know what else is sad? Bringing up the fact that you had progressed farther then another poster, thus making you more knowledgable then them about how overpowered a class is. Elitest attitude is lose when you're supposed to be part of a community to share information.

Verrie77 · 04-14-2009, 05:42 AM

Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:

It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc.

If you thought it was to make it simliar to the healbear then you have to be kidding me SMILEY You need your shrine to be bigtime nerfed to be even close to how crap that bear is.The Bear isnt raidwide...who ever told you that is wrong...its not even good for our group.The groove is...the fairy is....not the bear.

Estean1 · 04-14-2009, 12:44 PM

Choatley@Mistmoore wrote:

You know what else is sad? Bringing up the fact that you had progressed farther then another poster, thus making you more knowledgable then them about how overpowered a class is. Elitest attitude is lose when you're supposed to be part of a community to share information.

So is posting a completely non-informative and off-subject post in a thread about a broken mechanic that needs attention.

I think we can all agree that the way spiritual circle was operating was not overpowered and was definitely intentional.

I understand why the warden epic was fixed before spiritual circle as it was an extreme change in gameplay to the wardens that was unintentional. I even understand fixing the Coercer problem before this.

However, this problem needs some attention also and it should not be forgotten. A developer posting that a fix is somewherein the works (don't even have to include a timetable) would be much appreciated.

Crazywack · 04-15-2009, 11:38 AM

Inquiring Defiler's want to know!!!!!!

flowercivicsi · 04-20-2009, 02:23 PM

3 weeks have passed with no confirmation if this was intended or accidental on Shrine. We can all keep posting to this and hope for a response... maybe one day someone from the SoE team will comment on this.

Sedenten · 04-20-2009, 03:05 PM

I've resorted to submitting a /bug report every few days about it, taking care to mention that there is a post on the EQ2player defiler boards concerning the issue as well.

Cheydak · 04-24-2009, 04:15 PM

Anyone? Bueller?

Cragger · 04-25-2009, 12:44 PM

Verrie77 wrote:

Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote:
It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc.
If you thought it was to make it simliar to the healbear then you have to be kidding me You need your shrine to be bigtime nerfed to be even close to how crap that bear is.The Bear isnt raidwide...who ever told you that is wrong...its not even good for our group.The groove is...the fairy is....not the bear.

Okay so the healbear isn't. That isn't really the point of my post now was it? The facts are was spiritual shrine was made raid wide. Obviously with the intent to match other pet healers of other priests. That it was made raid wide was deliberate and stated in the patch notes.

The facts also are is that at the same time this changed Coercer's Channel and the Mana flow AA began to hit raid wide when used. Obviously this was not intended and was thus effected by the mechanics change that allowed Spiritual Shrine to ward raidwide.

To fix two errors they reverted the mechanic. As there was no notes that the shrine was to be made back into group wide its an obvious side effect of having to revert the change. I hope eventually a way will be found to make it raid wide in a way that is acceptable to them without effecting other abilities.

Also Choatley, while you are are quite correct that Alaocia's remark on content progression had no bearing and was improper Estean is right as well in the topic shouldn't be sidetracked over argumentative things. Just let it die in the past. And be content that Alaocia's comment had no actual grounds to begin with at that time .

flowercivicsi · 04-28-2009, 10:01 PM

22 bug reports, 1 petition, post on officials, and no word... /sad panda

/hugs Choatley

Yes, my inquisitor/cleric rage came thru as my inquisi is my second love! I don't have any hate for the guy!

Greggthegrmreapr · 04-28-2009, 10:42 PM

Now that I'm back to the game, I'll take a look at it and see if I can add my 2 cents... not that it means much with soe...

Tehom · 05-04-2009, 04:10 AM

It'd be at least nice to know if it was an intentional nerf or just a bug.

Crazywack · 05-06-2009, 11:30 AM

Still broken.

Or not? We don't know because not a peep from SoE about it.

Rayche · 05-07-2009, 01:45 PM

Would it be wrong to make a post titled "I can't get the station cash site to take my credit card" then slip in the question about our nerfed ability?

Well... of course it wouldn't be wrong, but it would probably be frowned upon lol.

Ceolus · 05-07-2009, 03:27 PM

On PvP, they also ninja nerfed Bane Warding without a word (necessary nerf I guess, but are we not worth a sentence?) What's with sneaking changes past defilers these days? :X

flowercivicsi · 05-11-2009, 11:18 AM

At this point the only thing that we can do is to continue to submit /bug and /feedback each time we log onto the game. Then just hope that they actually review the feedback and bugs and we see some type of response from them...

This is pretty upseting that we are reporting this in all the right ways... yet even with flowing thru the proper channels we have recieved little to no response on this issue. I am hoping this was not the Producers vision of open dialog with the community as this is rather dissapointing if this was.

Cheydak · 05-21-2009, 06:30 PM

So...with the promise of more open communcation about this and other issues and bugs discussed on this board, any chance someone from SOE might take a whole minute out of their day and maybe explain to us why this was done? With the pending nerf to heal procs, it would be marginally helpful to see this ability fixed.

03-31-2009, 11:29 PM	#1
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	Last update out Spirit Circle was made raid wide so small mini wards would proc on any raid member within range of the circle. Now as soon as LU 51 went in it is back to group only. There were no notes on this change so I am wondering if something was mixed up with the LU??? __________________

04-01-2009, 01:02 AM	#3
Ceolus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 257	I just know it was the Mystics. __________________

04-01-2009, 10:51 AM	#4
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	I just want some clairficiation if this was a re-nerf that they did not mention in the notes, or something that did not patch properly when the LU went to live, and may or will be corrected in the next hot fix. Not pointing fingers __________________

04-01-2009, 12:02 PM	#5
Estean1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 308	Yes, I would like to know this also! I spent some plat to respec to get some aa's in this ability when they made it hit raidwide. __________________

04-01-2009, 02:06 PM	#7
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	Aniree, you are about the worst person to say what is or is not good for a raiding defiler or ANY healer class for that matter due to your comments about clerics. Please keep your comments to youself when you obviously don't understand the fundamentals of how we healer classes work with one another. You noticed it on X2's... thanks for your input and confirmation... I have ACT logs from when I was killing Tythus and Penta last night so I don't need nor want your confirmation. Oh, and I still toped the parse without it... but you know those other raiders were sure hoping to snuggle with me for a little protection from those AE's that you know nothing about. I cringed when you replied her earlier as every cleric hates defilers because of you... please do us all a favor and stop posting about healers and what you think is overpowered. I think you have done enough damage... thanks. The raid-wide coercer thing was a fluke... The Shrine was made raid-wide intentionally as it used to be long before you knew what a ward was. That was in the notes... Perhaps you should try reading them sometime. __________________

04-01-2009, 12:59 AM	#2
ChrissyFaey Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 231	I've noticed the ability has been reverted too after going through the X2 content today.

04-01-2009, 01:45 PM	#6
ChrissyFaey Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 231	I heard in speculation it had a bit to do with the mechanic that made Spiritual Shrine raid-wide also made Channel and Mana Flow raid wide, which was quite ridiciulous. It's not really a surprise that Spiritual Shrine was made group only again... it was quite overpowered as it was. Maybe if they tweaked the time in which the ward refreshed it would be a bit more acceptable as a raid wide ability. Oh, well. Was nice for survivability while it lasted.

04-01-2009, 03:50 PM	#8
Estean1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 308	Yes the fact that spiritual circle is hitting the raid is NOT a fluke. It was even announced in the patch notes when it hit. Nor is it overpowered. It is just perfect imho for how the aoe's with TSO raids are currently. Saying something is overpowered when you don't know what you are talking about - well let's just say I am resisting the urge to flame you horribly. __________________

04-01-2009, 04:47 PM	#9
Ceolus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 257	On the parse it can look OP (because it all adds up), but it's just a parse. In practice it isn't actually OP because all it is to each person is a small ward. __________________

04-01-2009, 05:20 PM	#10
Cragger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 253	First off Alaocia you frankly need to calm down and even apologize. We are a small enough community as it is and attacking the few communicative and dedicated members of it is not a wise attitude. If the shrine being raid wide is overpowered honestly comes down to the point of view and luck of its user. It dies alot to AoEs, it has a limited range as well. And where it really boosts hps on a parse if thats what you care about is when its applying it ward to lots of choker wearers. Which is common in some raid forces. It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc. Unfortunately the change to make it do so also effected other abilities because it was a mechanics change. It caused Coercer's channel to hit raid wide, which was completely unintended. They are working on making changes to mechanics to fix these and other issues such as the warden epic restoring power to the target instead of them atm. Apparently for the time being they have decided to revert the change. Not because of how it improved the spiritual shrine. But because the unintenteded changes needed to be reverted and right now the only way to do so was to change back the mechanic which of course returned the shrine to its original state. Hopefully down the road after they make the changes to the game to allow them to fix such issues they will remember to change the shrine back again. But most likely will require alittle reminder . edited to spell Alaocia's name properly __________________

04-01-2009, 06:43 PM	#11
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	I agree with you in regards to the shrine and it's use as well as the placement as well as where you place it for it's effect. I never felt it was over powered even back in the older days when this was raid wide before the first nerf to it. However; if what you are suggesting is true with the fixes; I wish that they would have fully corrected it before going live, and not just nerfing everything... then patching it piece by piece later. I was actually quite calm and if you knew me better you would see that I was actually being tactful, but portraying my point since now every cleric in the game has a grudge with the defiler class. At least my alt inquisitor likes me... I did not want to see an angry mob all over this post simply because she has posted here, or another massive hate post on EQ2 Flames. This is why I said "Not pointing fingers", and why I think she may want to not post until the angry mobs put away the pitchforks. __________________

04-02-2009, 08:39 AM	#12
Shareana Lead Volunteer Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,921	Let's quit with the insults here please.... there is no need to break the forum rules Keep the topic on discussion. Thank you! __________________ \|\| Forum Guidelines \|\| Knowledge Base \|\| Tech Support \|\|

04-07-2009, 01:19 PM	#13
Rayche Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Alts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 519	Dang... nerfed again huh? Well I hope they fix it soon! P.S. When you get to re-implementing it, can we look at upping it's survivability some more? Thx __________________ Rhandy Rhoades ~ 90 Troubador Kasey ~ 90 Bruiser Cometus ~ 82 Conjuror / 90 Master Sage Rayche ~ 81 Mystic / 90 Master Alchemist / 450 Adorning Tungar ~ 64 Necromancer / 80 Master Tailor Antonia Bayle Server

04-13-2009, 11:40 AM	#14
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	They already hot fixed a number of items, and that was not on the list... nor have we recieved any communication on the status of it... Basically it looks like we got ninja nerfed in LU 51, and we're not worth the time to communicate it... Sad that the one thing they gave us, they nerf within 2 months. __________________

04-13-2009, 12:22 PM	#15
Kegofbud Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 925	You know what else is sad? Bringing up the fact that you had progressed farther then another poster, thus making you more knowledgable then them about how overpowered a class is. Elitest attitude is lose when you're supposed to be part of a community to share information. __________________ Choatly - 90 Defiler

04-14-2009, 05:42 AM	#16
Verrie77 Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 570	Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote: It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc. If you thought it was to make it simliar to the healbear then you have to be kidding me You need your shrine to be bigtime nerfed to be even close to how crap that bear is.The Bear isnt raidwide...who ever told you that is wrong...its not even good for our group.The groove is...the fairy is....not the bear. __________________ 89 Warden : Nelfia

04-14-2009, 12:44 PM	#17
Estean1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 308	Choatley@Mistmoore wrote: You know what else is sad? Bringing up the fact that you had progressed farther then another poster, thus making you more knowledgable then them about how overpowered a class is. Elitest attitude is lose when you're supposed to be part of a community to share information. So is posting a completely non-informative and off-subject post in a thread about a broken mechanic that needs attention. I think we can all agree that the way spiritual circle was operating was not overpowered and was definitely intentional. I understand why the warden epic was fixed before spiritual circle as it was an extreme change in gameplay to the wardens that was unintentional. I even understand fixing the Coercer problem before this. However, this problem needs some attention also and it should not be forgotten. A developer posting that a fix is somewherein the works (don't even have to include a timetable) would be much appreciated. __________________

04-15-2009, 11:38 AM	#18
Crazywack Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Inquiring Defiler's want to know!!!!!! __________________ Uddjubb 80 Defiler of Paradigm Unrest

04-20-2009, 02:23 PM	#19
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	3 weeks have passed with no confirmation if this was intended or accidental on Shrine. We can all keep posting to this and hope for a response... maybe one day someone from the SoE team will comment on this. __________________

04-20-2009, 03:05 PM	#20
Sedenten Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 680	I've resorted to submitting a /bug report every few days about it, taking care to mention that there is a post on the EQ2player defiler boards concerning the issue as well.

04-24-2009, 04:15 PM	#21
Cheydak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 110	Anyone? Bueller?

04-25-2009, 12:44 PM	#22
Cragger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 253	Verrie77 wrote: Striothia@Antonia Bayle wrote: It was intented to be made raid wide, there was a patch note about it. It was done to make it in line with the Healing Grove, the Fairy, the healbear etc. If you thought it was to make it simliar to the healbear then you have to be kidding me You need your shrine to be bigtime nerfed to be even close to how crap that bear is.The Bear isnt raidwide...who ever told you that is wrong...its not even good for our group.The groove is...the fairy is....not the bear. Okay so the healbear isn't. That isn't really the point of my post now was it? The facts are was spiritual shrine was made raid wide. Obviously with the intent to match other pet healers of other priests. That it was made raid wide was deliberate and stated in the patch notes. The facts also are is that at the same time this changed Coercer's Channel and the Mana flow AA began to hit raid wide when used. Obviously this was not intended and was thus effected by the mechanics change that allowed Spiritual Shrine to ward raidwide. To fix two errors they reverted the mechanic. As there was no notes that the shrine was to be made back into group wide its an obvious side effect of having to revert the change. I hope eventually a way will be found to make it raid wide in a way that is acceptable to them without effecting other abilities. Also Choatley, while you are are quite correct that Alaocia's remark on content progression had no bearing and was improper Estean is right as well in the topic shouldn't be sidetracked over argumentative things. Just let it die in the past. And be content that Alaocia's comment had no actual grounds to begin with at that time . __________________

04-28-2009, 10:01 PM	#23
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	22 bug reports, 1 petition, post on officials, and no word... /sad panda /hugs Choatley Yes, my inquisitor/cleric rage came thru as my inquisi is my second love! I don't have any hate for the guy! __________________

04-28-2009, 10:42 PM	#24
Greggthegrmreapr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 971	Now that I'm back to the game, I'll take a look at it and see if I can add my 2 cents... not that it means much with soe... __________________ Shut up blubie! BG's are not and will never be PVP!

05-04-2009, 04:10 AM	#25
Tehom Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,171	It'd be at least nice to know if it was an intentional nerf or just a bug.

05-06-2009, 11:30 AM	#26
Crazywack Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Still broken. Or not? We don't know because not a peep from SoE about it. __________________ Uddjubb 80 Defiler of Paradigm Unrest

05-07-2009, 01:45 PM	#27
Rayche Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Alts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 519	Would it be wrong to make a post titled "I can't get the station cash site to take my credit card" then slip in the question about our nerfed ability? Well... of course it wouldn't be wrong, but it would probably be frowned upon lol. __________________ Rhandy Rhoades ~ 90 Troubador Kasey ~ 90 Bruiser Cometus ~ 82 Conjuror / 90 Master Sage Rayche ~ 81 Mystic / 90 Master Alchemist / 450 Adorning Tungar ~ 64 Necromancer / 80 Master Tailor Antonia Bayle Server

05-07-2009, 03:27 PM	#28
Ceolus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 257	On PvP, they also ninja nerfed Bane Warding without a word (necessary nerf I guess, but are we not worth a sentence?) What's with sneaking changes past defilers these days? :X __________________

05-11-2009, 11:18 AM	#29
flowercivicsi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Freeport Posts: 155	At this point the only thing that we can do is to continue to submit /bug and /feedback each time we log onto the game. Then just hope that they actually review the feedback and bugs and we see some type of response from them... This is pretty upseting that we are reporting this in all the right ways... yet even with flowing thru the proper channels we have recieved little to no response on this issue. I am hoping this was not the Producers vision of open dialog with the community as this is rather dissapointing if this was. __________________

05-21-2009, 06:30 PM	#30
Cheydak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 110	So...with the promise of more open communcation about this and other issues and bugs discussed on this board, any chance someone from SOE might take a whole minute out of their day and maybe explain to us why this was done? With the pending nerf to heal procs, it would be marginally helpful to see this ability fixed.