Brigand Defensive stances (likely swashy too)

[Zibleez]

<p>As a Brigand I tend to tank about 50% of my career in TSO and that's climbing.  At this time on the test server, the brigand defensive stances and taunts do not appear to have been changed in-line with the new hate control mechanics.  Are there plans to make modifications to our classes as well?</p><p>Here's to hoping so.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Junaru]

<p><cite>Zibleez wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As a Brigand I tend to tank about 50% of my career in TSO and that's climbing.  At this time on the test server, the brigand defensive stances and taunts do not appear to have been changed in-line with the new hate control mechanics.  Are there plans to make modifications to our classes as well?</p><p>Here's to hoping so.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Do you really want to have 50% less damage in defencive stance and take 5% more damage in O-stance? Hope the Devs forgot about the Brigand and Swashy.</p>

[Kordran]

<p>The changes were made to the fighter classes, not scouts.</p>

[Zibleez]

<p>When I'm in defensive stance, my role isn't to dps, my role is to soak up damage and try and control aggro.  On test right now the single target AD3 @80 is 2500 threat, encounter is something like 1900-2400, and the proc is 750 threat when hit by a mob.  Compared to the numbers floating by on the warrior class defensive stances, this is going to leave brig off-tanking as more or less impossible as threat transfer won't be available any longer and generating the amount of hate needed to hold aggro is... not going to be a brigand specialty, shall we say.</p><p>This very well could be as intended, I dunno.  I viewed the rogue tanking as kind of the middle ground between avoidance and mitigation tanking, and we certainly don't have any real group aggro control as is - just hoping that perhaps something could be done about that.</p><p>It's not like many brigands tank that I know of, though.  *shrug*</p><p>Oh, and on a side note, the 50% dmg reduction applying to auto-attack scales up in negative impact in a non-linear fashion as your MC/DA raise and you go mythical.  For brigs like me w/40% MC 10% DA in defensive and fabled mythical, going from 800dps slashing to 400dps slashing of my 2k I parse isn't the end of the world - it's a reasonable sacrifice to make for some sort of advantage in the threat increasing department.</p>

[Trojenn]

<p>Who tanks in defensive on a Rogue. I tank fully offensive and always have. Even Tacticians Armor in MMIS ( EOF ) I tanked offensively. I am a swash btw and I don't get a Mit buff like brigs but that doesn't change a thing. Hell, bring on the 5% more damage in Offensive with a detaunt, I wouldn't honestly care lol. That would that much more damage I could do and another Deagro. Woot..</p><p>+1 Vote for doing this to Swashi/Brig stances.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Terron]

<p>When guards are in their new odffensive stance their taunts becomes deaggros</p><p>It would be nice if when rogues are in defensive stance their deaggros become taunts</p><p>Can the aggro boost that replaces the aggro transfer be used on yourself?</p>

[Zibleez]

<p>I don't think I actually checked if it flipped detaunts... I'll have to take a look at that.</p><p>Could compensate for the lack of stance change. </p>

[Khurghan]

<p>The changes to "tanking" go a lot deeper than just making taunts work more. There <em>are </em>impacts on scouts (tactitians armour in mmis) tanking mobs who are immine to taunts (a few bosses in VP etc) and mobs who spell reflect/spell immune etc.</p>

[Zibleez]

<p>After checking in-game, looks like switching to defensive stance does not affect the regular taunts - they're still detaunts.</p><p>Proccing up to 800 threat from mercenary AA is almost double what it is on live, but even then, I think this is going to introduce even more difficulties to OT w/a  brig than already exists</p>