Is Firiona Vie still alive?

[Zikten]

I know she isn't supposed to be part of EQ2, but she should still have some connection it. Everything she did up to PoP should be in EQ2's history. And being an elf, I figure she could still be alive 500 years later. Anything ever been said about this officially?

[Talthor]

i would imaging that she probably isnt... she was the chosen of tunare at one point, one would think that if she was alive still that she would be the prophet for her return... but that isnt the case.(askr is Karana's prophet, he was found by karana and kept in the plane of storms for a while, he managed to live after being the avatar of storms, but i dont see any mention of FV anywhere in EQ2)

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Niellan@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>i would imaging that she probably isnt... she was the chosen of tunare at one point, one would think that if she was alive still that she would be the prophet for her return... but that isnt the case.(askr is Karana's prophet, he was found by karana and kept in the plane of storms for a while, he managed to live after being the avatar of storms, but i dont see any mention of FV anywhere in EQ2)</blockquote><p>Well high elves used to have a racial trait named after her, and the description of the Teren's Grasp faction says that it's what became of the residents of the Firiona Vie outpost.</p><p>However, as for the person, that's entirely for the developers to decide if she should be mentioned or not. She is EQlive's mascot after all, and not suppose to be part of EQ2 other than the name of the outpost.</p>

[Eriol]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Well high elves used to have a racial trait named after her, and the description of the Teren's Grasp faction says that it's what became of the residents of the Firiona Vie outpost.</blockquote>Well just remember that the outpost was named after her, and that doesn't necessarily mean that she was there when it was attacked/occupied.  Kinda like how I don't think Queen Victoria was in the city Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, all that much (if ever, though it's possible she was once too, though I don't live there, and have no idea).  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And heck, Rile isn't in Rillis either to my knowledge.  So it's a similar thing.

[Zarafein]

A Herald guy in tenebrous tangle makes a joke news about firiona vie, something like: "firiona vie rose from her grave" so i gues she really lies in her grave.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">I wouldn't take anything the Herald guy says as gospel, he also mentions flying guy in blue and red armor over Freeport.She could be alive in undiscovered territory she might be working for the Far Seas Trading Company she might just be the retired elf next door to you with an assumed name so she can get on with a life.</span>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">I wouldn't take anything the Herald guy says as gospel, he also mentions flying guy in blue and red armor over Freeport.She could be alive in undiscovered territory she might be working for the Far Seas Trading Company she might just be the retired elf next door to you with an assumed name so she can get on with a life.</span></blockquote>Yeah everyone knows that Nationa- err Norrathian Enquirer herald is just making stuff up.

[Dragowulf]

Firiona Vie might be EQ1's mascot and they wanted to keep her away from EQ2, but she was history as well...and ignoring that would be ignoring history.  It should at least mention what came to be of the high elven paladin.drago.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Firiona Vie might be EQ1's mascot and they wanted to keep her away from EQ2, but she was history as well...and ignoring that would be ignoring history.  It should at least mention what came to be of the high elven paladin.drago.</blockquote>I think.... that if the EQ2 developers ever mentioned whatever fate may have befell her, then her name would be slandered in EQlive, and players might think it's suppose to happen because they're too... umm blissful to realize that the games arn't connected. :p

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Yet another example of how ill-considered the whole time line split ploy was (is).</p><p>Firiona Vie still lives in the time of EQ Live.  If the EQ2 designers were to decide to fill in the details of what happened to Firiona Vie in the intervening 500+ years, they would be locking the EQ Live designers into a story line they may, (or may not), want to develop for EQ Live, or vice versa;  thereby painting them into a corner.</p><p>They therefore will act very conservatively so as not to step on anyone's toes, or to insert their lore into another designers story line.  It is a necessary, (but wholly unsatisfactory), reality we must accept, (as must they).</p>

[Mirander_1]

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

[Zarafein]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">I wouldn't take anything the Herald guy says as gospel, he also mentions flying guy in blue and red armor over Freeport.She could be alive in undiscovered territory she might be working for the Far Seas Trading Company she might just be the retired elf next door to you with an assumed name so she can get on with a life.</span></blockquote>Yeah everyone knows that Nationa- err Norrathian Enquirer herald is just making stuff up.</blockquote><p>of course he lied, but this lie wouldn't be funny or anything if she isn't dead, what sense would it make to say George Bush rose from his grave?compared to George Washningtion rose from his grave?</p><p>Like saying attention the flying citadel crashed into the academy of freeport when there were no flying citadel, this sentence wouldn't make a sense to even write as made up stuff.</p><p>i gues his message is revering to elvis(much of his stuff makes only sense for people outside norrath like the superman thing) so i assume she is either dead or still missing in action(even in darkhollow) in eq2.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</blockquote>And yet at least 5 of the god prophets are famous storyline figures from EQlive who were directly involved in the Firiona Vie storylines.

[Mirander_1]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</blockquote>And yet at least 5 of the god prophets are famous storyline figures from EQlive who were directly involved in the Firiona Vie storylines.</blockquote>Five?  By my count, we've got one prophet that was directly tied to the Firiona Vie story (i.e.: was on the box art), and that was Danak.  Beyond that, we have one other who appeared in EQlive (Askr), and one who's related to a prominent EQlive character (Bronlor).

[Gukkor2]

In EQLive, at the launch of the Depths of Darkhollow expansion, Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl disappeared while locked in combat in Nektulos Forest.  Poof.  Just up and vanished.  Two or three years later and we still don't know what happened to them.  Whatever it is, though, I'm guessing that it'll apply to EQ2, since Mistmoore's dialogue in EoF leads me to believe that the story arc regarding his ascension to godhood actually happened in both timelines (the godhood story arc began with Depths of Darkhollow).

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Hmm locked in combat possibly getting time lost....jumping froward and sideways in time mayhap? That reminds me I've always wondered if Al'Akabar [sp] if he experimented with timejumping and lead a party to EQ2, I'm always wondered what he would think of today's Erudites and the loss of some magic (Eye of Zom, Levitation)</span>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</blockquote>And yet at least 5 of the god prophets are famous storyline figures from EQlive who were directly involved in the Firiona Vie storylines.</blockquote>Five?  By my count, we've got one prophet that was directly tied to the Firiona Vie story (i.e.: was on the box art), and that was Danak.  Beyond that, we have one other who appeared in EQlive (Askr), and one who's related to a prominent EQlive character (Bronlor).</blockquote><p>You're right, Not all of them are connected to FV. I was remembering the facts incorrectly there, so I did a search and found your own quote from an old thread. I remembered that a dev commented that more than one character was from EQlive.</p><p><cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Anyways, what I wanna know is why was a story character from Eqlive used as the prophet in EQ2? I mean none of the other god's representatives were story characters.</p></blockquote><p>Because I thought he was a cool character?</p><p>Here's a trivia bit about the prophets:</p><p>Two were EQLive story characters.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Danak, Eva?</span></p><p>Two served as EQ2 class/subclass quest givers.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Makoto, Tychus</span></p><p>One appears in the intro movie.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Bayden</span></p><p>One appeared in game since launch.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Xilania</span></p><p>Two were completely new characters.</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Bronlor, Civean</span></p></blockquote></blockquote>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p><span style="color: #ffff00;">"In EQLive, at the launch of the Depths of Darkhollow expansion, Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl disappeared while locked in combat in Nektulos Forest. Poof. Just up and vanished. Two or three years later and we still don't know what happened to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">And what of Lazarus, what of Lazarus?</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">--Kirk to McCoy</span></p>

[Zikten]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yet another example of how ill-considered the whole time line split ploy was (is).</p><p>Firiona Vie still lives in the time of EQ Live.  If the EQ2 designers were to decide to fill in the details of what happened to Firiona Vie in the intervening 500+ years, they would be locking the EQ Live designers into a story line they may, (or may not), want to develop for EQ Live, or vice versa;  thereby painting them into a corner.</p><p>They therefore will act very conservatively so as not to step on anyone's toes, or to insert their lore into another designers story line.  It is a necessary, (but wholly unsatisfactory), reality we must accept, (as must they).</p></blockquote>Yea, but everything after PoP is a completly different world. She can have 2 different fates. Just because the EQ2 devs say she does something, dosn't mean she is fated to do it in EQ1. It's 2 different timelines.

[Paladin776]

<cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</blockquote>Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Dylara@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</blockquote>Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes. </blockquote><p>Yeah but is Al'Kabor or Ognit Eznertop Everquest's official mascot?</p><p>yeah. Exactly.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>The 'main cast' characters of EQ have a way of continuing to show up in one form or another.  They may still live, or their ghosts or spirits may; they may have become members of the Peacock Club, or perhaps some other fate.  I do not think we have heard the last of Firiona Vie just yet, (or Lanys T 'Vyl either for that matter).  They will be around in one form or another.</p>

[Paladin776]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dylara@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  <b>That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</b></blockquote>Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes. </blockquote><p>Yeah but is Al'Kabor or Ognit Eznertop Everquest's official mascot?</p><p>yeah. Exactly.</p></blockquote>I think the bolded text succinctly clarifies the premise of the statement I made.

[Mirander_1]

<cite>Dylara@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.</blockquote>Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes. </blockquote>Ah, I didn't know about Ognit.  The only ones that I could recall were a few mentions of Al'Kabor (which I suppose was to be expected, as he was the only one who was known for something besides being  Firiona Vie's companion), and of course Danak on the side of her various enemies.

[KniteShayd]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">"In EQLive, at the launch of the Depths of Darkhollow expansion, Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl disappeared while locked in combat in Nektulos Forest. Poof. Just up and vanished. Two or three years later and we still don't know what happened to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">And what of Lazarus, what of Lazarus?</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">--Kirk to McCoy</span></p></blockquote>Ah, yes.  Some say that the sheer power and energies created from that fight may have somehow created a rift and transported them interdimensionally. Some say, at the last minute when all was thought to be won or lost, both Tunare and Innoruuk took them into their repsective planes to prevent them from the harm and effects of that battle.  And yet, some say It wasn't either of the two gods who took them, but someone, or something, else.

[Verigan]

Pardon my ignorance, still new to EQ2 and never played the original EQ, but who is Firiona Vie?

[Josgar]

<img src="http://www.station.sony.com/sonyonline/retailassets/images/retail/images/EQ_TAE/eq_tae_fob_large.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Pyra Shineflame]

Josgar....that was almost painful on my eyes.

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Firiona Vie is the mascot for EQ Live.  She was featured on all the expansion boxes.  She was the child of the King of Felwithe, (King Tearis Thex), and the Avatar for the goddess Tunare.  She is therefore Queen Leyna Thex' half sister.</p><p>Even though she is pictured garbed as if she were a wizard, she was in fact a Paladin.  The Koada 'Dal outpost on Kunark was named after her, and she figured prominately in many plot lines and in-game events for EQ Live.</p><p>Her nemesis was Lanys T'Vyl (the daughter of Innoruuk and his high Priestess in Neriak)</p><p>Lanys T'Val, like Firiona Vie, is one of the main cast of characters for EQ Live.  She has been killed and resurrected several times by her father if I remember correctly.  Their ultimate fates have not yet been decided.</p><p>This thread is speculating on whether it might be possible for one or both to make an appearance in EQ2.</p><p>Although from a lore point-of-view, there is nothing to prevent such an occurance, it is probably doubtful that it will happen due to the desire of the lore GMs in both games not to tread on one another's home turf and risk mudding up each other's story lines.</p><p>More's the pity in my opinion.</p><p>Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl are archtypes and their ongoing struggle between good and evil is a morality play which is present in most fantasy genres.</p><p>Doing a search of the forums for either of them should provide enough background for anyone as ther are probably several dozen pages of posts on one or the other.</p>

[Josgar]

<img src="http://www.station.sony.com/sonyonline/retailassets/images/retail/images/EQ2_EoF/EQII_EOF_FOB.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Anyone notice that she made it on the EOF box art? (High Elf on the right)

[Talthor]

i think its probably shear coincidence that it happens to be a scantilly clad high elf on a horse, its very doubtful that she would make an appearance at this point seeing as 3 expansions in there has been little to no mention of her ingame or by the devs.

[Josgar]

Im seeing it as more of an easter egg...

[Cusashorn]

I'm seeing it as just a high elf wearing a female formal ensemble like you try to pass off in your sig.

[Josgar]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm seeing it as just a high elf wearing a female formal ensemble like you try to pass off in your sig.</blockquote>V_V

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Ahh that was Mean Cusa and not in the ribbing way either. Still if Cusa says it's not possible, better keep an eye out for live updates and expansions <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></span>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>I do not know to what extent there is contact between the lore makers of EQ Live and EQ2.  I have to believe that there is at least *some* casual contact periodically.</p><p>The 'core cast' is so fundamental to the Norrathian millieu that, (despite the practical hurdles it entails), I find it inconcievable that no mention of them will ever work its way from EQ Live to EQ2.</p><p>I sincerely hope that it does.  It was one of the most enduring and binding story lines of all Norrathian lore.</p><p>Bring back Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl in some fashion or other; if that is not possible, then, at the very least, let us know their ultimate fates.</p><p>We need some closure here.</p>

[Alexandr]

I thought that the high elf female in the white horse on the EoF Box Art was Lenya Thex. Isn't she part of the storyline for EoF and the fate of the elves in Faydwer?

[Apocroph]

Well that interview on IncGamers pretty much confirms that she IS alive.  We've yet to find out what her role in EQII will be though.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well that interview on IncGamers pretty much confirms that she IS alive.  We've yet to find out what her role in EQII will be though.</blockquote><p>No. Neither the article, nor Vhalen himself ever said she was still alive. He said her fate has yet to be revealed.</p>

[Apocroph]

There couldn't possibly be much point in bringing her into the EQII storyline if she died in the 500 years before we started up...But meh, semantics.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>There couldn't possibly be much point in bringing her into the EQII storyline if she died in the 500 years before we started up...But meh, semantics.</blockquote>Unless her death will lead us to something greater as Vhalen has had us do a few hundred or so times already in the game.

[Apocroph]

I'm sure you can see how Firiona might maybe be a little different from the other folks we've lost in the last five centuries.I, for one, welcome our <strike>new</strike> old elven Overlord.** <i>obviously speculative</i>.

[Gukkor2]

My guess?  Alive, but either in hiding, imprisoned somewhere, or deified.  The same guesses would also apply for Lanys T'Vyl, actually (minus the third one, for obvious reasons).  They did vanish at roughly the same time, after all.

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Lanys' fate has already been revealed (her 'daddy' Himself shredded her soul)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">If Firiona Vie was still alive (in some form) it is feasible that it was not known (outside Faydwer) until EoF because until then, the fate of <i>anyone</i> left behind was unknown</span></p>

[Rainmare]

Not exactly. that was supposedly something that happened, but well after that incident, Lanys has been active and very much alive and well. the last reported event from EQ1 was Lanys, allied with Venril, engaged Fironia and co in Kunark in a massive armies strong battle. Then something happened, and both parties just vanished into the ether. I don't think either Fironia or Layns has been found or seen of since, and nothing on thier fates has been revealed I think.

[Morrak]

<p>ehh correct me if im wrong but wasnt Firiona more than just another Koada`Dal? i always thought she was a princess? if thats the case i highly doubt she is the retired high elf living next door. Who knows... she could be working with the far seas trading company like someone suggested, it would make sense, she has a very adventurous spirit and they have access to places we dont...</p><p>Or... maybe she ascended to the realm of heroes? i remember npcs scattered across norrath in eqlive, each race had their own npc that had come back from the realm of heroes, all they said after their long stories was they were waiting for the right person or something like that. Perhaps the gods interferred with her battle with Lanys because they both had a different purpose and werent supposed to die... or maybe shes reading these boards laughing at all of us <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gukkor2]

<p>For a long time, Firiona Vie was thought to be a princess of Felwithe, but she was disowned by King Tearis Thex after it was discovered that she was actually the illegitimate child of the queen and a knight named Galeth Veredeth.  Her half-sister Lenya was the only legitimate heir.</p>

[Rainmare]

Firiona was the Child of growth...much like Layns was the Child of hate.

[Cusashorn]

She was Tunare's Champion, not Tunare's daughter.

[Rainmare]

everyone I ever talked to about it considered her Tunare's daughter. maybe not by birth, in more of an adopted sense prolly.

[Cusashorn]

Nope. Just Tunare's Champion. The mortal chosens to represent Tunare's ideals. Not an avatar, because she isn't imbued with Tunare's powers.

[Beghard]

It was said at the begining of the game that Antonia was found or thought to be a direct desendant of Vie. When this was discovered she was crowned. Mayong probly knocked her up and thats how he got his power.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was said at the begining of the game that Antonia was found or thought to be a direct desendant of Vie. When this was discovered she was crowned. Mayong probly knocked her up and thats how he got his power.</blockquote>No. Completely wrong. She's not related to Firiona Vie. She's the direct descendant of Lady Shae, a high elf you could find in West Freeport in EQlive. Antonius Bayle the 4th knocked her up, and Antonia was raised in secrecy among the Sisterhood of Erollisi in the Ocean of Tears.

[Apocroph]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was said at the begining of the game that Antonia was found or thought to be a direct desendant of Vie. When this was discovered she was crowned. Mayong probly knocked her up and thats how he got his power.</blockquote>No. Completely wrong. She's not related to Firiona Vie. She's the direct descendant of Lady Shae, a high elf you could find in West Freeport in EQlive. Antonius Bayle the 4th knocked her up, and Antonia was raised in secrecy among the Sisterhood of Erollisi in the Ocean of Tears.</blockquote>So THAAAAAT's what Lucan's so [Removed for Content] about...Shae's the Norrathian Jesse's Girl.

[Beghard]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was said at the begining of the game that Antonia was found or thought to be a direct desendant of Vie. When this was discovered she was crowned. Mayong probly knocked her up and thats how he got his power.</blockquote>No. Completely wrong. She's not related to Firiona Vie. She's the direct descendant of Lady Shae, a high elf you could find in West Freeport in EQlive. Antonius Bayle the 4th knocked her up, and Antonia was raised in secrecy among the Sisterhood of Erollisi in the Ocean of Tears.</blockquote>Source? Also you might want to see a doc about your OCD.

[Rainmare]

not to mention, mayong would have no need to 'knock up' anyone. it's already been stated that Mayong used the council to start infiltrating New Tunaria, and his link has been to queen thex. Mayong has been around a LOT longer than anyone in Norrath except dragons.and yes, it was said that Antonia Bayle was raised on what players called sister island, and her mother was lady shae. and her lineage was todl to her after both kane and antonious bayle went missing after the rending, I beleive it was.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was said at the begining of the game that Antonia was found or thought to be a direct desendant of Vie. When this was discovered she was crowned. Mayong probly knocked her up and thats how he got his power.</blockquote>No. Completely wrong. She's not related to Firiona Vie. She's the direct descendant of Lady Shae, a high elf you could find in West Freeport in EQlive. Antonius Bayle the 4th knocked her up, and Antonia was raised in secrecy among the Sisterhood of Erollisi in the Ocean of Tears.</blockquote>Source? Also you might want to see a doc about your OCD.</blockquote>Either Vhalen or Moorgard revealed this information back when we were still using the old message boards. Back when Moorgard still worked as a dev.

[Coniaric]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote>It was said at the begining of the game that Antonia was found or thought to be a direct desendant of Vie. When this was discovered she was crowned. Mayong probly knocked her up and thats how he got his power.</blockquote>No. Completely wrong. She's not related to Firiona Vie. She's the direct descendant of Lady Shae, a high elf you could find in West Freeport in EQlive. Antonius Bayle the 4th knocked her up, and Antonia was raised in secrecy among the Sisterhood of Erollisi in the Ocean of Tears.</blockquote>Source? Also you might want to see a doc about your OCD.</blockquote>Either Vhalen or Moorgard revealed this information back when we were still using the old message boards. Back when Moorgard still worked as a dev.</blockquote><p>Yes, and I had this piece saved from way back:</p><p>The greatest secret in his life was his love for Lady Shae of Felwithe. The Council of Qeynos demanded he wed and have children to further the Bayle lineage, but he had long refused. He fell in love with Lady Shae during his adventuring days, but the Council would not accept this union. The two secret lovers would meet within the bustling trade city of Freeport, Qeynosians believing Antonius was off on a hunting trip. Lady Shae would soon carry Antonius' child, his true first born. Antonius never knew this. He did learn that Lady Shae's high seas galley was lost within the Ocean of Tears. Antonius learned that Lady Shae was missing and went through a long spell of depression. Lady Shae actually faked her death and went on to live on the isolated Isle of Erollisi. Her child, Shaonia, was to be raised among the amazon warriors there. Back in Qeynos, the Council persisted and demanded that Antonius wed. He would reluctantly marry and father twins, but his heart always belonged to Lady Shae.Late in life, Antonius would learn of Shaonia and Lady Shae and go to live with them on the Isle of Erollisi. Antonius would pass on his crown to his Qeynosian twins before faking his death in much the same way as his true love had done years before. Unfortunately, some time after arriving on the isle, The Great Avenger would fall victim to the blade of a mysterious assassin. The identity of the assassin was never discovered.----</p><p>So ... Firiona Vie and Antonia Bayle aren't really related.</p>

[Gukkor2]

And Shaonia is Antonia Bayle?  But isn't there a 500-year gap between EQ1 and EQ2?  It's plausible that Lady Shae could live for that long, but could a half-elf?

[DreamerClou]

hmmm.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>And Shaonia is Antonia Bayle?  But isn't there a 500-year gap between EQ1 and EQ2?  It's plausible that Lady Shae could live for that long, but could a half-elf?</blockquote><p>That is one of the plotholes that is created with teh fact that EQ2 doesn't release official racial ages, and doesn't consider the Pen & Paper game to be part of the game itself.</p><p>I've heard of Half Elves having a life-span of about 150-300 years, but we know that Antonia Bayle is still very VERY young. I believe it was mentioned that she's still in her 20's.</p>

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>And Shaonia is Antonia Bayle?  But isn't there a 500-year gap between EQ1 and EQ2?  It's plausible that Lady Shae could live for that long, but could a half-elf?</blockquote><p>That is one of the plotholes that is created with teh fact that EQ2 doesn't release official racial ages, and doesn't consider the Pen & Paper game to be part of the game itself.</p><p>I've heard of Half Elves having a life-span of about 150-300 years, but we know that Antonia Bayle is still very VERY young. I believe it was mentioned that she's still in her 20's.</p></blockquote><p>Wow, that's a pretty glaring plothole, if you ask me.  I hope they'll find some way to resolve that in the lore.  Maybe Antonius IV extended his life somehow after he went to live with Lady Shae.  After all, it never actually says how long he lived there before his assassination.</p><p>In any case, if anyone has the answer, it's Vhalen...</p>

[Aer]

Antonia isn't really a half elf, she's more human than elf.  From what I remember reading, she's a descendant of Shae, not her actual daughter.  I could be completely wrong though, and she is the half elf offspring.  But look at her ears, they're completely rounded, unlike most half elf npcs/characters who have slightly pointed ears.Heres the story that I believe use to be posted on EQ2's actual site, but now it was lost in the revamp:<p>Antonia Bayle is ruler of the kingdom of Qeynos. Born with the name Shirrana on a small island isolated for centuries by cataclysms, she had no idea that she was descended from the ruling house of Qeynos. When the cataclysms subsided and word reached her island that the Bayle family had been wiped out by disaster, the guardians of the young woman's secret finally revealed the truth of her destiny. Shirrana went to Qeynos with letters that proved her ancestry, and she began the process of learning how to be a leader. After several years of training, she assumed the title of Antonia and took the throne; she has led her city for over seven years. </p><p>Though only in her late 20s, Antonia Bayle is already an accomplished leader. Possessing an enigmatic charm and an undeniable beauty, she immediately commands the attention of all who see her. But she is far from just a pretty face; she proved soon after her arrival in Qeynos that she has a natural gift to inspire her people and make wise decisions regarding their future. She speaks from the heart and motivates her subjects to believe in their ability to achieve great things. </p>

[Cusashorn]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. She's only 1/16th half elf, but has no distinguishably noticable physical elven traits to speak of.

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Sooooo--if the Sister's Isle was spared the Rending and the Shattering, (else how would Antonia have reached adulthood there---if she is in her early 20's, and the Shattering was 12-15 years ago---well, do the math), then at least *some* areas in the Ocean of Tears survived.</p><p>Couple that with rumors that the High Seas Trading Company has sent ships into the Ocean of Tears, and it appears that (perhaps) the Sisters of Erollisi Marr may yet reside at Tearfall.</p><p>I find that--interesting.</p>

[Gukkor2]

Oh, 1/16 elf?  That definitely makes more sense.  I wonder if her lifespan would be lengthened at all beyond a normal human's with elf blood that diluted.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Probably just be beauty-preservered into her later years if anything at all, maybe more magicly inclined like she already demonstrates to be.</span>

[Gisallo]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>And Shaonia is Antonia Bayle?  But isn't there a 500-year gap between EQ1 and EQ2?  It's plausible that Lady Shae could live for that long, but could a half-elf?</blockquote>Don't usually comment but here goes.  Antonia is not Shaonia.  From the EQII original web site "Born with the name Shirrana on a small island isolated for centuries by cataclysms, she had no idea that she was descended from the ruling house of Qeynos."  Now it has been inferred or stated (can't remember), that she is a descendant of Lady Shae, but that could mean 1,2,4..heck 15 generations, so her age is likely the 20 or so she appears to be with no issues.