Is Firiona Vie still alive?

[Zikten]

I know she isn't supposed to be part of EQ2, but she should still have some connection it. Everything she did up to PoP should be in EQ2's history. And being an elf, I figure she could still be alive 500 years later. Anything ever been said about this officially?

[Talthor]

i would imaging that she probably isnt... she was the chosen of tunare at one point, one would think that if she was alive still that she would be the prophet for her return... but that isnt the case.(askr is Karana's prophet, he was found by karana and kept in the plane of storms for a while, he managed to live after being the avatar of storms, but i dont see any mention of FV anywhere in EQ2)

[Cusashorn]

Niellan@The Bazaar wrote:

i would imaging that she probably isnt... she was the chosen of tunare at one point, one would think that if she was alive still that she would be the prophet for her return... but that isnt the case.(askr is Karana's prophet, he was found by karana and kept in the plane of storms for a while, he managed to live after being the avatar of storms, but i dont see any mention of FV anywhere in EQ2)

Well high elves used to have a racial trait named after her, and the description of the Teren's Grasp faction says that it's what became of the residents of the Firiona Vie outpost.

However, as for the person, that's entirely for the developers to decide if she should be mentioned or not. She is EQlive's mascot after all, and not suppose to be part of EQ2 other than the name of the outpost.

[Eriol]

Cusashorn wrote:

Well high elves used to have a racial trait named after her, and the description of the Teren's Grasp faction says that it's what became of the residents of the Firiona Vie outpost.

Well just remember that the outpost was named after her, and that doesn't necessarily mean that she was there when it was attacked/occupied.  Kinda like how I don't think Queen Victoria was in the city Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, all that much (if ever, though it's possible she was once too, though I don't live there, and have no idea).    And heck, Rile isn't in Rillis either to my knowledge.  So it's a similar thing.

[Zarafein]

A Herald guy in tenebrous tangle makes a joke news about firiona vie, something like: "firiona vie rose from her grave" so i gues she really lies in her grave.

[Zabjade]

I wouldn't take anything the Herald guy says as gospel, he also mentions flying guy in blue and red armor over Freeport.She could be alive in undiscovered territory she might be working for the Far Seas Trading Company she might just be the retired elf next door to you with an assumed name so she can get on with a life.

[Cusashorn]

Zabjade wrote:

I wouldn't take anything the Herald guy says as gospel, he also mentions flying guy in blue and red armor over Freeport.She could be alive in undiscovered territory she might be working for the Far Seas Trading Company she might just be the retired elf next door to you with an assumed name so she can get on with a life.

Yeah everyone knows that Nationa- err Norrathian Enquirer herald is just making stuff up.

[Dragowulf]

Firiona Vie might be EQ1's mascot and they wanted to keep her away from EQ2, but she was history as well...and ignoring that would be ignoring history.  It should at least mention what came to be of the high elven paladin.drago.

[Cusashorn]

Dragowulf2 wrote:

Firiona Vie might be EQ1's mascot and they wanted to keep her away from EQ2, but she was history as well...and ignoring that would be ignoring history.  It should at least mention what came to be of the high elven paladin.drago.

I think.... that if the EQ2 developers ever mentioned whatever fate may have befell her, then her name would be slandered in EQlive, and players might think it's suppose to happen because they're too... umm blissful to realize that the games arn't connected. :p

[Mary the Prophetess]

Yet another example of how ill-considered the whole time line split ploy was (is).

Firiona Vie still lives in the time of EQ Live.  If the EQ2 designers were to decide to fill in the details of what happened to Firiona Vie in the intervening 500+ years, they would be locking the EQ Live designers into a story line they may, (or may not), want to develop for EQ Live, or vice versa;  thereby painting them into a corner.

They therefore will act very conservatively so as not to step on anyone's toes, or to insert their lore into another designers story line.  It is a necessary, (but wholly unsatisfactory), reality we must accept, (as must they).

[Mirander_1]

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

[Zarafein]

Cusashorn wrote:

Zabjade wrote:

I wouldn't take anything the Herald guy says as gospel, he also mentions flying guy in blue and red armor over Freeport.She could be alive in undiscovered territory she might be working for the Far Seas Trading Company she might just be the retired elf next door to you with an assumed name so she can get on with a life.

Yeah everyone knows that Nationa- err Norrathian Enquirer herald is just making stuff up.

of course he lied, but this lie wouldn't be funny or anything if she isn't dead, what sense would it make to say George Bush rose from his grave?compared to George Washningtion rose from his grave?

Like saying attention the flying citadel crashed into the academy of freeport when there were no flying citadel, this sentence wouldn't make a sense to even write as made up stuff.

i gues his message is revering to elvis(much of his stuff makes only sense for people outside norrath like the superman thing) so i assume she is either dead or still missing in action(even in darkhollow) in eq2.

[Cusashorn]

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

And yet at least 5 of the god prophets are famous storyline figures from EQlive who were directly involved in the Firiona Vie storylines.

[Mirander_1]

Cusashorn wrote:

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

And yet at least 5 of the god prophets are famous storyline figures from EQlive who were directly involved in the Firiona Vie storylines.

Five?  By my count, we've got one prophet that was directly tied to the Firiona Vie story (i.e.: was on the box art), and that was Danak.  Beyond that, we have one other who appeared in EQlive (Askr), and one who's related to a prominent EQlive character (Bronlor).

[Gukkor2]

In EQLive, at the launch of the Depths of Darkhollow expansion, Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl disappeared while locked in combat in Nektulos Forest.  Poof.  Just up and vanished.  Two or three years later and we still don't know what happened to them.  Whatever it is, though, I'm guessing that it'll apply to EQ2, since Mistmoore's dialogue in EoF leads me to believe that the story arc regarding his ascension to godhood actually happened in both timelines (the godhood story arc began with Depths of Darkhollow).

[Zabjade]

Hmm locked in combat possibly getting time lost....jumping froward and sideways in time mayhap? That reminds me I've always wondered if Al'Akabar [sp] if he experimented with timejumping and lead a party to EQ2, I'm always wondered what he would think of today's Erudites and the loss of some magic (Eye of Zom, Levitation)

[Cusashorn]

Mirander_1 wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

And yet at least 5 of the god prophets are famous storyline figures from EQlive who were directly involved in the Firiona Vie storylines.

Five?  By my count, we've got one prophet that was directly tied to the Firiona Vie story (i.e.: was on the box art), and that was Danak.  Beyond that, we have one other who appeared in EQlive (Askr), and one who's related to a prominent EQlive character (Bronlor).

You're right, Not all of them are connected to FV. I was remembering the facts incorrectly there, so I did a search and found your own quote from an old thread. I remembered that a dev commented that more than one character was from EQlive.

Mirander_1 wrote:

Jindrack wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

Anyways, what I wanna know is why was a story character from Eqlive used as the prophet in EQ2? I mean none of the other god's representatives were story characters.

Because I thought he was a cool character?

Here's a trivia bit about the prophets:

Two were EQLive story characters.

Danak, Eva?

Two served as EQ2 class/subclass quest givers.

Makoto, Tychus

One appears in the intro movie.

Bayden

One appeared in game since launch.

Xilania

Two were completely new characters.

Bronlor, Civean

[Mary the Prophetess]

"In EQLive, at the launch of the Depths of Darkhollow expansion, Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl disappeared while locked in combat in Nektulos Forest. Poof. Just up and vanished. Two or three years later and we still don't know what happened to them.

And what of Lazarus, what of Lazarus?

--Kirk to McCoy

[Zikten]

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

Yet another example of how ill-considered the whole time line split ploy was (is).

Firiona Vie still lives in the time of EQ Live.  If the EQ2 designers were to decide to fill in the details of what happened to Firiona Vie in the intervening 500+ years, they would be locking the EQ Live designers into a story line they may, (or may not), want to develop for EQ Live, or vice versa;  thereby painting them into a corner.

They therefore will act very conservatively so as not to step on anyone's toes, or to insert their lore into another designers story line.  It is a necessary, (but wholly unsatisfactory), reality we must accept, (as must they).

Yea, but everything after PoP is a completly different world. She can have 2 different fates. Just because the EQ2 devs say she does something, dosn't mean she is fated to do it in EQ1. It's 2 different timelines.

[Paladin776]

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes.

[Cusashorn]

Dylara@Crushbone wrote:

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes.

Yeah but is Al'Kabor or Ognit Eznertop Everquest's official mascot?

yeah. Exactly.

[Mary the Prophetess]

The 'main cast' characters of EQ have a way of continuing to show up in one form or another.  They may still live, or their ghosts or spirits may; they may have become members of the Peacock Club, or perhaps some other fate.  I do not think we have heard the last of Firiona Vie just yet, (or Lanys T 'Vyl either for that matter).  They will be around in one form or another.

[Paladin776]

Cusashorn wrote:

Dylara@Crushbone wrote:

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes.

Yeah but is Al'Kabor or Ognit Eznertop Everquest's official mascot?

yeah. Exactly.

I think the bolded text succinctly clarifies the premise of the statement I made.

[Mirander_1]

Dylara@Crushbone wrote:

Mirander_1 wrote:

I think it was less wanting to not interfere with the EQlive devs, and more that they kinda wanted to go their own way with EQ2's story, so they didn't want to keep bringing up EQlive's mascot.  That could also be why most of her companions and enemies don't get mentioned either.

Actually, more of them exist in EQ2 than you might think. There is mention in a number of places of Al'Kabor. Ognit Eznertop is in the gnome camp in Solusek's eye (and mentions his brother Dabnir, who I believe was "arrested" along with Dagda Icefury when The Hole opened.) Those four were the Erudite, two Gnomes and the female Barbarian pictured on the original and Ruins of Kunark boxes.

Ah, I didn't know about Ognit.  The only ones that I could recall were a few mentions of Al'Kabor (which I suppose was to be expected, as he was the only one who was known for something besides being  Firiona Vie's companion), and of course Danak on the side of her various enemies.

[KniteShayd]

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

"In EQLive, at the launch of the Depths of Darkhollow expansion, Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl disappeared while locked in combat in Nektulos Forest. Poof. Just up and vanished. Two or three years later and we still don't know what happened to them.

And what of Lazarus, what of Lazarus?

--Kirk to McCoy

Ah, yes.  Some say that the sheer power and energies created from that fight may have somehow created a rift and transported them interdimensionally. Some say, at the last minute when all was thought to be won or lost, both Tunare and Innoruuk took them into their repsective planes to prevent them from the harm and effects of that battle.  And yet, some say It wasn't either of the two gods who took them, but someone, or something, else.

[Verigan]

Pardon my ignorance, still new to EQ2 and never played the original EQ, but who is Firiona Vie?

[Josgar]

[Pyra Shineflame]

Josgar....that was almost painful on my eyes.

[Mary the Prophetess]

Firiona Vie is the mascot for EQ Live.  She was featured on all the expansion boxes.  She was the child of the King of Felwithe, (King Tearis Thex), and the Avatar for the goddess Tunare.  She is therefore Queen Leyna Thex' half sister.

Even though she is pictured garbed as if she were a wizard, she was in fact a Paladin.  The Koada 'Dal outpost on Kunark was named after her, and she figured prominately in many plot lines and in-game events for EQ Live.

Her nemesis was Lanys T'Vyl (the daughter of Innoruuk and his high Priestess in Neriak)

Lanys T'Val, like Firiona Vie, is one of the main cast of characters for EQ Live.  She has been killed and resurrected several times by her father if I remember correctly.  Their ultimate fates have not yet been decided.

This thread is speculating on whether it might be possible for one or both to make an appearance in EQ2.

Although from a lore point-of-view, there is nothing to prevent such an occurance, it is probably doubtful that it will happen due to the desire of the lore GMs in both games not to tread on one another's home turf and risk mudding up each other's story lines.

More's the pity in my opinion.

Firiona Vie and Lanys T'Vyl are archtypes and their ongoing struggle between good and evil is a morality play which is present in most fantasy genres.

Doing a search of the forums for either of them should provide enough background for anyone as ther are probably several dozen pages of posts on one or the other.

[Josgar]

Anyone notice that she made it on the EOF box art? (High Elf on the right)