What Players Want

[Groovyjive]

<div></div>SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) had it going on with the social scene. Sony knows that when people make friends online, they are far more likely to continue their subscription. I think EQ2 could not only keep many more players, but also attract many new players by upgrading the social interaction end of EQ2. We need those guild houses and hopefully, personal housing that we can place and decorate ourselves. We need more dancing styles. We need the ability to "party" with our friends. Apartments are 'ok'. But it doesn't quite scratch the itch. Enhanced fishing would be a plus for fishing trips. We need more decorative clothing that can be made cheaply and abundantly. No stats necessary. Girls especially take great pride in their appearance and leather and chains just doesn't get it for everyone. If we could create dinner table items...food that you can see...that would be cool. How about a music player incorporated into the game. We can find an online music station and have it playing in our homes. When people walk in (and the option is on) they will hear what music we have chosen for our house. In other words, there are a million different cell phone covers out there for individuality so why not make EQ more customizable to the individual.  Self expression sells. Myspace gains subscribers daily from that alone. People want to be able to express their individuality. <div></div>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Groovyjive wrote:<BR> <P>      SWG (Star Wars Galaxies) had it going on with the social scene. Sony knows that when people make friends online, they are far more likely to continue their subscription. I think EQ2 could not only keep many more players, but also attract many new players by upgrading the social interaction end of EQ2.</P> <P>      We need those guild houses and hopefully, personal housing that we can place and decorate ourselves. We need more dancing styles. We need the ability to "party" with our friends. Apartments are 'ok'. But it doesn't quite scratch the itch. </P> <P>     Enhanced fishing would be a plus for fishing trips. We need more decorative clothing that can be made cheaply and abundantly. No stats necessary. Girls especially take great pride in their appearance and leather and chains just doesn't get it for everyone.</P> <P>      If we could create dinner table items...food that you can see...that would be cool.</P> <P>     How about a music player incorporated into the game. We can find an online music station and have it playing in our homes. When people walk in (and the option is on) they will hear what music we have chosen for our house.</P> <P>      In other words, there are a million different cell phone covers out there for individuality so why not make EQ more customizable to the individual.  Self expression sells. Myspace gains subscribers daily from that alone. </P> <P>     People want to be able to express their individuality. <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sorry, just had to do that.  I agree in part.  I would like to see more indviduality enter into the game...but the music thing will never happen I think.</P> <P>I like the food and clothing suggestions though.  Guild houses are being worked out I believe...who knows...</P>

[Qarlia]

<P>The music part might be hard to work.... but</P> <P>I love all your other idea's :smileyhappy:</P>

[MadLordOfMilk]

Let me give a quick summary for anyone who doesn't wanna read that post above: "I, Groovyjive, feel that EQ2 could use a bit more flash."Just about anything COULD be a bit more flashy, but the problem is balancing what's just flashy and "nice" to have versus what's needed. There's a certain point where you're not actually really playing the game anymore and should probably just move on (like when you just stand there idling all day chatting). <span>:smileyhappy:</span>P.S. This isn't really feedback on stuff on test.<div></div>

[Lera]

For some players, that stuff is exactly what's needed. Not everyone needs more raid content, or more spell tweaks, or more super items every update. This is, after all, a role-playing game, but there's lots of little things missing, like, perhaps CHAIRS WE CAN SIT IN. I'd love to see one LU devoted to nothing but fluff, or at least spread out over two or three to keep the people with "toons" happy. On my list of things needed, sittable chairs are near the top, as is more clothing options, and many of the people on my server (Antonia Bayle) would agree about that. We already lost almost all the newbie quests, silencing much of the cities, so let's get something to make this feel like an actual world again, and not just a grind.<div></div>

[MadLordOfMilk]

Oh, I forgot to mention, the title is a bit assuming that other people want what you're posting <span>:smileytongue:</span> I don't doubt it, but it's probably not the best way to go about it.<blockquote><hr>Lera wrote:*snip*We already lost almost all the newbie quests, silencing much of the cities, so let's get something to make this feel like an actual world again, <font color="#ff9900">and not just a grind</font>.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, ya know, most of those newbie quests <i>were</i> just mindless grinds; run to NPC1, come back. Go click a bookshelf halfway across town, come back. Go kill x of y. They didn't really add anything <span>:smileyindifferent:</span><div></div>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>MadLordOfMilk wrote:<blockquote><hr>Lera wrote:*snip*We already lost almost all the newbie quests, silencing much of the cities, so let's get something to make this feel like an actual world again, <font color="#ff9900">and not just a grind</font>.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, ya know, most of those newbie quests <i>were</i> just mindless grinds; run to NPC1, come back. Go click a bookshelf halfway across town, come back. Go kill x of y. They didn't really add anything <span>:smileyindifferent:</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>That's not grinding - grinding is doing the same exact thing over and over for the purpose of gaining levels quickly. Newly-arrived adventurers aren't going to be asked to go save the world right away. Instead, they're going to be running errands for whoever needs help, especially if they're good-aligned, or working for fairly easy tasks for the city militia. And they added plenty - the alchemist who wanted his batwing crunchies, the vain guy in Nettleville who needed toxic bog slugs, the merchant who trusted you enough to let you take the day's receipts to the bank - that's all part of a lively, busy city. I also loved the quest in Beggar's Court where they asked you to steal and kill in order to get into their gang - and then when you did it, they're surprised and now scared of you. Those quests are also a good way for newbies to learn their way around the cities, and to gain some items and armour without having to rely solely on fighting. If you find such tasks boring, then skip them, but I thought they added a lot of flavour to the game.</div>

[MadLordOfMilk]

Grinding doesn't always mean the sole purpose is levelling... it can really apply to doing the same thing over and over to get to some goal... and considering the money SUCKS for the quests anyway, the whole point really <i>was</i> the xp. However, seeing as the term doesn't technically have a definition, to each his own <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[Kordran]

<DIV><EM>Newly-arrived adventurers aren't going to be asked to go save the world right away.</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually, with the quest changes they made, you're put into the action pretty much right away. In Qeynos, after you've done your racial quests you're immediately thrown into a plot to attack Qeynos by some gnolls and a rather unsavory group of gnomes from Freeport (I aways knew the gnomes were up to no good, and now there's proof!) It takes you from the Oakmyst Forest, Peat Bog and Forest Ruins to the Caves, where you work to thwart their evil plans. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No more goofy "get me fried batwings" quests where you roleplay a FedEx deliveryman; now, there's actually real quest lines that fit in with the overall storyline of the realm. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Trillien]

We need PoK. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Trillien on <span class=date_text>08-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:27 AM</span>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>Kordran wrote:<div><em>Newly-arrived adventurers aren't going to be asked to go save the world right away.</em></div> <div> </div> <div>Actually, with the quest changes they made, you're put into the action pretty much right away. In Qeynos, after you've done your racial quests you're immediately thrown into a plot to attack Qeynos by some gnolls and a rather unsavory group of gnomes from Freeport (I aways knew the gnomes were up to no good, and now there's proof!) It takes you from the Oakmyst Forest, Peat Bog and Forest Ruins to the Caves, where you work to thwart their evil plans. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div>No more goofy "get me fried batwings" quests where you roleplay a FedEx deliveryman; now, there's actually real quest lines that fit in with the overall storyline of the realm. </div> <hr></blockquote>That's batwing crunchies!I've done the new quest line, and it's a good change, but it's still fairly low-level stuff. Gnolls can be tough at that level, but they're not a Varsoon or an Everling or Lucan, and with the endless supply of gnolls out in Antonica, killing a few in that quest won't make a huge dent in the gnoll population, although you did stop one scheme. Quests like this are great, but it's still only one quest line. The cities are pretty empty now, and that's a huge loss to the living feeling of Qeynos and Freeport. Sure, batwing crunchies aren't the most exciting quest, but if I still remember it and think it's funny after first doing it over a year ago, it must have added something to the game.</div>

[nadym]

<P>/agree.</P> <P>Many good ideas. Dont like the music thing, I dont wanna hear metal music when visiting a house <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>cheers</P>

[Tash 1]

<DIV> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>I agree with all the OP suggestions.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>Further more I would like (I don’t care if its hard to make I just want it)</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- No shrinking horses and carpets. If I buy a big horse I don’t want it to look like a pony.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- Passengers on horses. Let extra load make the horse have less speed and let fighting be unavailable if 2 on a horse.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- Travel trade skills kits so one have something to do while evercamping.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- Sit, rest and sleep emotion. Better walk animation. My god I look like a xxxx while walking.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- Chest to store things in and to let other players have key to.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- Interactive furniture.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- Visible jewellery, belts and glasses. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>- More clothes <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and please let me have some shoes to my feet’s is acing!</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>I probably will thing out more later.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#cccccc size=2></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#cccccc>/Tash</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>

[Razorbak]

I think that Anarchy Online did a nice job with clothing and with emote interactions.  They actually have dances that don't look like you are having a seizure or being electrocuted.  And an very nice selection of clothing options.  My favorite is this GM who wears a clown suit and walks around with a meat cleaver - really creepy looking.

[crewguy72]

<DIV>sounds like you want Sims online :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Lera]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> crewguy72 wrote:<BR> <DIV>sounds like you want Sims online :smileyvery-happy:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>:smileyvery-happy:<BR></P> <P>Gameplay-wise, no, but having more social features and character customisation options is quite nice for those who like to spend time roleplaying rather than always adventuring or crafting.</P>

[kezef]

I like the idea of having a bunch of different dance moves for downtimes during raids.  In that guild wars game they have some hilarious dance moves.<div></div>

[masakre]

<DIV>as for the music suggestion, maybe allowing us to use the music boxes we got during winter events or something instead of the same music in every house. I know I snagged a music box for freeport and qeynos and had wished I logged in every day and got all the other lil things they handed out during that time frame.</DIV>

[Ebjelen]

What I stilll want, after all these years since the demise of X-Files, is Gillian Anderson to be my personal sex slave after she's been completely celebate for at least a year. Hey! Maybe she's already started waiting for me? Sorry, couldn't help the sarcasm because the thread started with making this game more like another game. So devil's advocate it is. I too would like to see nice guild houses and choices of music. The ideas sound simple on paper. The problem is that these ideas assume that people are going to behave. What about things like guild thieves? What about guild built around real life friendships/relationships/families/marriages. Real people have real problems that are none of SOEs business. What happens when those problems carry over into the game, and they do. (it's not that they will, they do and they have) With the demise of all those city quests we learned that the EQ2 dev team is subject to the whims of the<strike> wanna-be</strike> .... err streamlining/code mininmizing department at SoE. Adding these nice to have things would definitely increase the client size which means we'd have to give something up. I say lose the bards in favor of guild housing and decent music. <div></div>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ebjelen wrote:What I stilll want, after all these years since the demise of X-Files, is Gillian Anderson to be my personal sex slave after she's been completely celebate for at least a year. Hey! Maybe she's already started waiting for me? Sorry, couldn't help the sarcasm because the thread started with making this game more like another game. So devil's advocate it is. I too would like to see nice guild houses and choices of music.<hr></blockquote>Huh? Pointing out that another game has some good features is not wanting to turn EQ2 into SWG. I never found SWG to be much fun for more than a couple weeks, but the range of furniture and emotes is wonderful. They can add those without the two games being clones.<div><blockquote><hr>Ebjelen wrote:The ideas sound simple on paper. The problem is that these ideas assume that people are going to behave. What about things like guild thieves? What about guild built around real life friendships/relationships/families/marriages. Real people have real problems that are none of SOEs business. What happens when those problems carry over into the game, and they do. (it's not that they will, they do and they have) <hr></blockquote>What about them? What does that have to do with more emotes, furniture, and customisation?</div></div>

[Ebjelen]

<div></div>Calm down. I said I would like to see those changes. The problem with guild ownership is who gets to move/take what.  Not everyone agrees on what should go where. These arguments typicly put SoE in the middle. Look at the problems we have with guild-banks now. What happens when someone takes hundreds of plat worth of furniture because of an argument with his brother? In other words, there are security issues. If you read my other posts you'll find that I often clamor for depth of content. The problem is that variety of content increases the size of the db and client both. There are people at SoE to make sure that very thing does not happen. Their job is to make sure db and client do not grow in size. My whole post was a flame at them, not at the OP. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Ebjelen on <span class=date_text>08-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:27 PM</span>

[BlindPari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR>  Girls especially take great pride in their appearance and leather and chains just doesn't get it for everyone. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This sentance really ticked me off. Some people take pride in their appearance, some don't. It's not gender based. And there's nothing wrong with leather and chains. There's nothing wrong with fuzzy bunny slippers either, or a combination of the two. It sounds to me like you want executive outfits, or froofroo dresses, that's just the way the sentance reads to me. Maybe not, but... this is an adventuring game. Leather, chains, platemail, and robes are the norm. While I would love to see more clothing thrown in in the style of L2 (the only good thing about that game was the slutty outfits) I think that blanket statements like the above are foolish. </P> <P>--and yes, I am female. </P>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>BlindPariah wrote:<div></div><p>This sentance really ticked me off. Some people take pride in their appearance, some don't. It's not gender based. And there's nothing wrong with leather and chains. There's nothing wrong with fuzzy bunny slippers either, or a combination of the two. It sounds to me like you want executive outfits, or froofroo dresses, that's just the way the sentance reads to me. Maybe not, but... this is an adventuring game. Leather, chains, platemail, and robes are the norm. While I would love to see more clothing thrown in in the style of L2 (the only good thing about that game was the slutty outfits) I think that blanket statements like the above are foolish. </p> <p>--and yes, I am female. </p><hr></blockquote>Oh, please. Of course things vary from person to person, but in general, women are more likely to be the ones spending hours on their appearance than men. There's a reason why makeup and hair care products and such are marketed to females - and why games like "The Sims" appeal to many female gamers in a way "Doom 3" doesn't. As much as we've been told men and women are exactly the same, it's just not true, and we all know it.And while that armour is fine for adventuring, what about roleplaying back in town? Platemail's fine for going out to kill orcs; it's not fine for the guild's social gathering. Some of us would like more actual clothing, and mainly the only thing we have now are robes (thankfully, one of them is pink). Those new outfits don't count, either. That's two outfits, one for males and one for females, recoloured 20 times, and there's no way I'd wear that. </div>

[Kordran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kezef76 wrote:<BR>I like the idea of having a bunch of different dance moves for downtimes during raids.  In that guild wars game they have some hilarious dance moves.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Oh, god, please no. Have mercy. Save my IQ points from dropping further.</P> <P>I've played WoW. My mind still hasn't fully recovered from the abject stupidity I've witnessed. I want a swords and sorcery fantasy game, not roleplaying John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.</P> <P><IMG src="http://www.astor-theatre.com/images/in-line/posters/postersS/saturday-night-fever.jpg"></P> <P><STRONG>JUST SAY NO. FOR THE CHILDREN, PEOPLE. FOR THE CHILDREN.</STRONG></P> <P> </P>

[BlindPari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lera wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlindPariah wrote:<BR> <P>This sentance really ticked me off. Some people take pride in their appearance, some don't. It's not gender based. And there's nothing wrong with leather and chains. There's nothing wrong with fuzzy bunny slippers either, or a combination of the two. It sounds to me like you want executive outfits, or froofroo dresses, that's just the way the sentance reads to me. Maybe not, but... this is an adventuring game. Leather, chains, platemail, and robes are the norm. While I would love to see more clothing thrown in in the style of L2 (the only good thing about that game was the slutty outfits) I think that blanket statements like the above are foolish. </P> <P>--and yes, I am female. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh, please. Of course things vary from person to person, but in general, women are more likely to be the ones spending hours on their appearance than men. There's a reason why makeup and hair care products and such are marketed to females - and why games like "The Sims" appeal to many female gamers in a way "Doom 3" doesn't. As much as we've been told men and women are exactly the same, it's just not true, and we all know it.<BR><BR>And while that armour is fine for adventuring, what about roleplaying back in town? Platemail's fine for going out to kill orcs; it's not fine for the guild's social gathering. Some of us would like more actual clothing, and mainly the only thing we have now are robes (thankfully, one of them is pink). Those new outfits don't count, either. That's two outfits, one for males and one for females, recoloured 20 times, and there's no way I'd wear that. <BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>makeup is for people who don't like the way they look and have too much time on their hands. </P> <P>and I will pick doom 3 over the sims any day. the sims kills brain cells. doom just lets you kill things. </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Zitic]

<DIV>Before that elf person closes this thread..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree with the original poster to a point.  I do agree that having the ability to decorate your house a bit more, open a book and lay it on a table, or turn books, different things like that, sit in a chair for instance, or dress up.  I suppose playing dress up barbie with an online character is great, I would love to be able to layer my outfits..  I want a cloak/cape/robe that fits over my plate armor, hey its kind of cold in everfrost!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Men don't like women wearing makeup... they don't want to be scared when they wake up in the morning.  Just remember that. -nods-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[BlindPari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zitic wrote:<BR> <DIV>Before that elf person closes this thread..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree with the original poster to a point.  I do agree that having the ability to decorate your house a bit more, open a book and lay it on a table, or turn books, different things like that, sit in a chair for instance, or dress up.  I suppose playing dress up barbie with an online character is great, I would love to be able to layer my outfits..  I want a cloak/cape/robe that fits over my plate armor, hey its kind of cold in everfrost!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Men don't like women wearing makeup... they don't want to be scared when they wake up in the morning.  Just remember that. -nods-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>and she will, because thats what she thinks she does best :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P>The house decorating ideas are great, as a carpenter, i'm all for more stuff to make, but,  if you want to go play dress up barbie, try final fantasy online.</P> <P> </P>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>BlindPariah wrote:<div></div><p>makeup is for people who don't like the way they look and have too much time on their hands. </p> <p>and I will pick doom 3 over the sims any day. the sims kills brain cells. doom just lets you kill things. </p><hr></blockquote>Like I said, there's always exceptions - but in general, the original statement stands. It was about "add this feature because it might appeal to many female gamers, but less so for males", not "all women are only concerned with dressing up their characters" (although that's fun, too).</div>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>BlindPariah wrote:<div></div> The house decorating ideas are great, as a carpenter, i'm all for more stuff to make, but,  if you want to go play dress up barbie, try final fantasy online. <hr></blockquote>I'm guessing you spend most of your time in groups and don't roleplay. People love to remind others that this is an MMO (see the thread on solo XP), but always seem to forget about the rest of it, the RPG part. This isn't "The Sims Online", where it's all about the social aspect, but there's lots of people, at least on my server (AB) who would love more options. They've created homes which are libraries, taverns, restaurants, and a chapel or two, and while armour's fine for adventuring, regular clothing is more suitable for certain RP events. The various robes give some variety, even though it's still a pain to find a decent wedding dress, especially at low level, and not all of us want formal wear where half of it's missing. When I'm out adventuring, I pick what to wear based on the stats - back in town, it's all about the look. The game should include both - understandably, focusing more on the adventuring, since more people are interested in mindless grinding than in roleplaying, but giving us something, too. And they need an RP-enforced server, but that's another thread and not going to happen.</div>

[Ashlian]

<DIV>Well, even on my server, which is NOT a RP server, I think most of us would like even our non-city wear to look a little less like we dressed in the dark out of Bobo the Clown's closet. It's a standing joke in our guild that you can immediately tell the leetness of the individual's gear by how low they'd rate on an EQ version of What Not to Wear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now I'm willing to admit that in CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES something like green and purple nemesis armor MIGHT have been a cool idea....but when it's matched with the mish mash of other fabled and legendary out there.....OMG. The first time I saw that, all I could think was, and they won't let US have dyes because we might abuse them? I really hate spending months avoiding looking at my character at all until I get something approaching a full set of armor. It's downright depressing. So failing an improvement to actual armor, which looks to be far, far away......the answer to the model revamp question in the House of Commons dev chat being essentially "Our guess is as good as yours, but a LONG TIME FROM NOW"......they could at least give me some more meaningless, statless clothes to placate me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's quite a few designs on npc's around the world that are a little different from what we've been given so far. I could wear them around town, get out of my brown dragonhide pajamas for a while, and pretend I'm not working my way up to looking like Bobo the Clown. How leet.</DIV>

[Kordran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ashlian wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, even on my server, which is NOT a RP server, I think most of us would like even our non-city wear to look a little less like we dressed in the dark out of Bobo the Clown's closet. <STRONG>It's a standing joke in our guild that you can immediately tell the leetness of the individual's gear by how low they'd rate on an EQ version of What Not to Wear</STRONG>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Amen.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlindPariah wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR>  Girls especially take great pride in their appearance and leather and chains just doesn't get it for everyone. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This sentance really ticked me off. Some people take pride in their appearance, some don't. It's not gender based. And there's nothing wrong with leather and chains. There's nothing wrong with fuzzy bunny slippers either, or a combination of the two. It sounds to me like you want executive outfits, or froofroo dresses, that's just the way the sentance reads to me. Maybe not, but... this is an adventuring game. Leather, chains, platemail, and robes are the norm. While I would love to see more clothing thrown in in the style of L2 (the only good thing about that game was the slutty outfits) I think that blanket statements like the above are foolish. </P> <P>--and yes, I am female. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/agree</P> <P>While I agree that there are people out there who care more about how they look than how good the armor/clothes are (fashion over function), there is never a reason to claim its "girls especially." Just simply say "Some people take great pride in their appearance and leather and chains just doesn't get it for everyone." and you could have avoided the whole typecasting and stereotyping.</P>

[Kordran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Leawyn wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Just simply say "Some people take great pride in their appearance and leather and chains just doesn't get it for everyone."</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If one does not like leather and chains on the female of their choice, that is obviously a serious personality defect. Or perhaps abnormally low hormone levels. Either way, fortunately for them, it's easily corrected through timely intervention and, on occasion, utilization of the aforementioned accoutrements. :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Arrek]

Na - we just need more raid content <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> Sorry - for the above - i just could not help myself <div></div>

[BlindPari]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lera wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlindPariah wrote:<BR> <BR>The house decorating ideas are great, as a carpenter, i'm all for more stuff to make, but,  if you want to go play dress up barbie, try final fantasy online. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm guessing you spend most of your time in groups and don't roleplay. People love to remind others that this is an MMO (see the thread on solo XP), but always seem to forget about the rest of it, the RPG part. This isn't "The Sims Online", where it's all about the social aspect, but there's lots of people, at least on my server (AB) who would love more options. They've created homes which are libraries, taverns, restaurants, and a chapel or two, and while armour's fine for adventuring, regular clothing is more suitable for certain RP events. The various robes give some variety, even though it's still a pain to find a decent wedding dress, especially at low level, and not all of us want formal wear where half of it's missing. When I'm out adventuring, I pick what to wear based on the stats - back in town, it's all about the look. The game should include both - understandably, focusing more on the adventuring, since more people are interested in mindless grinding than in roleplaying, but giving us something, too. And they need an RP-enforced server, but that's another thread and not going to happen.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I do rp, and I never group. Thanks for the stereotype though. </P> <P> </P>

[Groovyjive]

<P>Relax BlindPariah, noone is attacking your gender or stereotyping you. The statement is not intended to cover all females. It simply implies that more females than males would enjoy these changes. Males (IN GENERAL) would just like to look cool in the leet high end armor. If it offends you move on to the next topic please.</P> <P>The original post was intended to hopefully draw responses from the players that would encourage the dev team to consider adding content related to social interaction instead of just experience and lewt. I was hoping that players would throw their two cents in about what they want added to the game, not how I worded my sentences and how they COULD be interpreted. Muss stay focus Daniel-son.</P>

[Ebjelen]

<P>I think one of the big draws for EQ2 has been the lack of such clothing that protects the genitals while baring the heart, like the leather and chainmail bikinis that the wood elf and half elf females wore in early EQ1. From an immersion sense, skimpy armor does not instill confidence in one's allies on the battlefields of Norath. Likewise, even the Overlord requires a certain level of civility within the walls of his city. The chaos of Maj'Dul combined with the heat of the desert sun might seem to call for skimpy attire. Common sense on the other hand dictates that people protect their skin from the sun. I mean think about the reverse tan lines from wearing a platemail thong in desert heat. Or, imagine trying to remove that plate thong after being out on the frozen tundra.</P> <P>A variety of clothing sure, but I don't think we need to see the transvestite wear ala AO.</P> <P> </P>

[Leawyn]

<blockquote><hr>Groovyjive wrote:<p>Relax BlindPariah,<b><font color="#ff0000"> noone is</font></b> attacking your gender or <font color="#ff0000"><b>stereotyping</b></font> you. The statement is not intended to cover all females.<b><font color="#ff0000"> It simply implies that more females than males would enjoy these changes</font></b>. Males (IN GENERAL) would just like to look cool in the leet high end armor. If it offends you move on to the next topic please.</p> <p>The original post was intended to hopefully draw responses from the players that would encourage the dev team to consider adding content related to social interaction instead of just experience and lewt. I was hoping that players would throw their two cents in about what they want added to the game, not how I worded my sentences and how they COULD be interpreted. Muss stay focus Daniel-son.</p><hr></blockquote>I'm sorry...... um... <font color="#ff0000"><b>YOU ARE STEREOTYPING</b><font color="#ffffff">!!! I honestly know people, both male and female and just about an equal number, that would like more casual clothing or better looking clothing. I also know both male and females that couldn't care one iota what their gear looks like, as long as it performs. And I know even more that are somewhere in the middle of that. When you say "Hey ladies, looky, we have pretty dresses" you are dumbing down the female population of MMO's. I know a wide variety of women, from ones that only log in to roleplay (I actually went to her wedding today!) to ones that are officers in raiding guilds. I don't believe a single one of those women would like to be classified as wanna-be Barbies. So ... try to be a little more... well... PC in what you say. Again I repeat "Many people would enjoy these changes" > "Women especially would enjoy these changes." </font></font><div></div>

[Pherra]

<P><FONT color=#9966ff>Oh for chocolate's sake just drop the whole femdome quit stereotyping bla bla bla...</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>Stereotypes come from somewhere, and while they don't apply to everyone, they do have a foundations. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>So the only thing girls are into is shoes... dresses... make up.....hair.... etc. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>And all boys care about are... her breast.... her rear end....how to score a home run.... what the score on the game is.... etc.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>GET OVER IT!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>Yes, I'm a girl!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>Yes, I like wearing pretty clothes.... in game... in real life....so what?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>Yes, I am also the leader of my guild and a level 70 warlock that enjoys killing other people.... So what?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>Don't let others tell you who you are... if you're NOT one of the females that likes wearing dresses... FINE don't wear them!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>If you're a guy and like wearing dresses... FINE wear them!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>GET OVER IT!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff></FONT> </P><p>Message Edited by Pherra on <span class=date_text>08-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:13 AM</span>

[123bli]

More Clothes - TickGuild Halls - TickEverything Else - Cross:@IF you wanna play SWG or SuperLag Galaxies as i call it, go ahead :L<div></div>

[mystiicall]

<DIV>wow this whole topic kinda makes me wanna barf seriously....  truthfully people logging on just to roleplay with other people??? [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] its called life ever hear of it... goto a bar and converse with real people or something.  when you say people log in just to role play it kinda makes me thing that u guys are locked in a cage and someone threw away the key to the door, you guys are all couped up into a game worse than a drug addicts addiction to herroine or some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I mean logging into a game and conversing with different people makes mmo's fun but when u make it a ordeal where u pay almost 20 bux a month just to talk to people there is a problem...</DIV>

[Leawyn]

<blockquote><hr>mystiicall wrote:<div>wow this whole topic kinda makes me wanna barf seriously....  truthfully people logging on just to roleplay with other people??? [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] its called life ever hear of it... goto a bar and converse with real people or something.  when you say people log in just to role play it kinda makes me thing that u guys are locked in a cage and someone threw away the key to the door, you guys are all couped up into a game worse than a drug addicts addiction to herroine or some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...</div> <div> </div> <div>I mean logging into a game and conversing with different people makes mmo's fun but when u make it a ordeal where u pay almost 20 bux a month just to talk to people there is a problem...</div><hr></blockquote>I don't think its your place to tell people how to play a game they pay money to play. I also don't think its your place to make fun of someone because they do that. Its just as easy to say that anyone that plays EQ2 to raid must be a 13 year old kid in his mom's basement who hasn't showered in 3 weeks... but just as your stereotype of a roleplayer is completely off base, so is that stereotype of an EQ2 raider. So do us all a favor, and learn a little acceptance.<div></div>

[Kordran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Leawyn wrote:<BR><BR>So do us all a favor, and learn a little acceptance.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Or better yet, he should go play a certain other game with six million like-minded people. By his comments, he'd fit right in.</P> <P>As for the dress clothing, more content is nice but first I'd like them to actually improve the visual design of the items they have in the game. Allow for customization of armor, and address the overall look of combinations of raiding gear. I mean, come on. The higher your level and more powerful your toon, the more you look like you were dressed in the dark by Bobo the Clown?</P> <P>If there's going to be a focus on how things look, all well and good. But let that focus be on the appearance of functional stuff first, then the pure fluff for roleplaying and whatnot.</P>

[Lera]

<div><blockquote><hr>Leawyn wrote:I'm sorry...... um... <font color="#ff0000"><b>YOU ARE STEREOTYPING</b><font color="#ffffff">!!!So ... try to be a little more... well... PC in what you say. Again I repeat "Many people would enjoy these changes" > "Women especially would enjoy these changes." </font></font><div></div><hr></blockquote>No, he's not. Stereotyping would be "you're female, and therefore the only reason you play EQ2 is because you want to play dress-up with your character". I don't think anyone would agree with that, since female gamers play for all sorts of reasons - some like to roleplay, others don't; some prefer adventuring, others crafting, and others just socialising; and there's also male gamers who would like more fluff in the game.Every company generalises when it does marketing. Since most gamers are male (although that's changing, and might not be as true with MMOs), that's half the population who isn't paying them money. If they decide they want to attract more female gamers and their $15 a month to EQ2, then they're going to look at features which, in general, appeal to women, and which won't drive away men. As un-PC as it is, men and women aren't all interested in the same things, they're not identical, and there's nothing wrong with adding features which might appeal to one sex or the other.The original statement was not "girls are only interested in dress-up", but "girls (in general) would like these changes more than boys (in general)". There's a difference between generalisation, which are true overall but of course don't apply to every single person in the group, and stereotypes, which assume that a particular person must fit the generalisation.</div>

[Groovyjive]

<P>Thankyou Lera, you do understand what I was saying. Maybe you were the only one. But if Sony could incorporate these ideas, don't you know they could make a killing with the influx of new game subscribers!  And it would add more to the quality of gameplay for existing gamers.  </P> <P>However, this thread has been taken over by witchhunters and I wish I had never brought it up. Was just hoping to improve content for existing players by giving them a voice under the dev team's noses.  </P> <P>And BTW, I would like a pirate shirt, tight leather pants and a bandana in game! I am male. </P>