Please can someone help a frustrated pred!!!!

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div>Im a lvl 19 wood elf pred..... with naff all for weapons it seems......the only good weapons you can use only in Stealth but as soon as you hit a target it takes you out of stealth then making all the other stealth weapons useless... and then you have to rely on the array of crappy non stealth weapons which deal out aggression in amounts less than 100..... WHAT am i doing wrong here..... I figured that maybe if i lined up all my stealth weapons and just used them it would keep me in stealth ....but you cant..... as soon as you strike you become unstealthed....or as soon as you are attacked thru your first strike your unstealthed.......and you cant use your ranged stuff because you are on top of your enemy........errm......at a total loss.....and totally disillusioned with Predator....<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and to make matters worse... when you do use non stealthed weapons they take so long for them to recharge.. im stood there defenseless...... and at lvl 19 i just took on three heroic 11 gnolls in antonica and bearly escaped.... dammit... im lvl 19 should have done that easily....my highest unstealthed weapon only deals out 72 ... and thats once in a blue moon......its not like you can say to the enemy " eerrm hey guys do you mind holding a sec while i just "sneak"......"..... WHAT GIVES!!! I know i must be doing something seriously wrong here...... I just cant believe a Pred could be so weak........ ive got a lvl28wiz so im not such a newbie to the game.... all my other characters I can usualy take on two levels above my own.... but god.... this Pred is rediculous...... I cant get any XP from fighting lvl 11 gnolls.....its taking me ages to do anything....PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME HERE!"!!<div></div><p>Message Edited by Gorathh on <span class="date_text">01-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:58 AM</span></p>

[Nulad]

A few pointers:1) Use a poison, high direct damage is my favourite, there's a shop in south Qeynos that sells it.2) Cheap shot is you best friend, ever, full stop, period, nuff said.  Use it, as long as the mobs do not have any up arrows you will stun them for six seconds giving you plenty of time to get behind it and use some stealthed attacks or back off and use your bow(more important later on if you become a Ranger), if they do have any up arrows then you'll get a two second stun which can be enough time to get behind but not much else except backing up and using your bow again.3) A group of three HEROIC mobs are not meant to be solo'd, just because you can with your wizzy doesn't mean you can with other classes, that said at higher levels a Ranger should have no problem with similar encounters.4) Heroic Opportunities, use them, make sure you get Swindlers Luck procced once so it buffs you, then if it comes up again flip the HO wheel to try and get Ringing Blow, if you see Bravo's Dance do everything you're able to finish the HO as it's the rare haste HO <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />5) Make sure you are either opening with distance or stealth, anything else and you're asking for trouble.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Nul.<div></div>

[Dasanhgul]

<div></div><p>Level 6 CA called Cheap Shot allows you to stun a mob (duration depending on mob level/heroic), and position yourself for your stealth CA's.</p><p>Another great tactic, is using a tank... someone to take the damage for you, so you can place yourself behind a mob and do what you are supposed to do, damage.</p><p>And why are you complaining on taking on 3 <strong>heroic</strong> mobs and survived ?!</p><p> </p><p><u>PS</u>: I know you been copy/past'ing this message in a few forums, but at least you could take the time to structure it so we dont get a headache trying to read it.</p>

[HollyBaloo]

Thanks eveyrone... will try everything you have siad... although i just tried to buy some poisons from the place in SQ and there is nothing availabe for my level i dont think..... everything is RED .....<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but i have gone and upgraded the spells and things i already have as a start.....<div></div>

[coy]

<div></div><p>Once you hit 20 you can buy poison from that shop in SQ, upstairs i think the merchant is.  But i was using Acidic or Mordant Goo bought from most merchants in towns or in antonica.  Every little helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My basic strategy was to, stealth, open up with Shadow Blade (master from an level upgrade)  Does a lot of damage, follow up with either impale or bleed, keep one of these for HO's, then start the HO, like someone else said Swindlers Luck is a nice buff, Bravos Dance even more so, but if you get two Ringing Blows off should be enough to put down similar level mobs, and of course Cheap Shot to let you get behind and whack em with another, from behind or flanking CA.</p><p>If more than one mob and things start going bad, i have survived a few encounters by using survival instincts.</p><p><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p>

[Kallia]

<div></div><div></div><p>Having just dinged 21 I am suprised to read that you feel this class is not very powerfull. All i can do is echo the sentiments of the previous posters. Personally I didnt think about using cheap shot for the stun, rather than the next step in one of our HO's. When i realised then it opened up more options for me. Another good one is to use the skill that puts you back into stealth then use pounce or shadow blade if you didnt use it as an opener.</p><p>Poisions can be purchased from any normal merchant and they really do add to the dmg  we do. At 19 you can use the basic ones then at 20 you have access to another stronger type.</p><p>Keep at it it is my advice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Message Edited by Kalliath on <span class="date_text">01-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:09 AM</span></p>

[Jay]

<div></div>The Enter key is your friend. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry, I couldn't finish that one, but the responses are right on. If you'd rather just stand still and nuke, I'd switch back to your wizard. Rangers take some practice to play effectively.

[Bayler_x]

By the way: It's also considered poor form - and often explicitly against the rules - to "cross post".  Cross posting is posting the same message in multiple forums to try to get a larger audience.  Just pick the one forum that best matches your subject.<div></div>

[Spectralmist]

<div>I'm surprised to read this post too - I had a blast as a pred.</div><div> </div><div>Some things I did  -</div><div> </div><div>1 - read the forums and ask (here preferably about ranger stuff - but ask) any questions you might have.</div><div> </div><div>2 - upgrade as many of your CA's (by the way - your 'weapons' are the short sword and dagger you're using, not the icons in your hotbars - you are dual wielding a slashing weapon and a piercing weapon, aren't you?) as possible.  Find a scholar or jeweler willing to make App 4's for you.  If you happen to come across a rare silver or coral, that can be used to make an Adept 3 - which is much better.</div><div> </div><div>3 - might want to upgrade your weapons to the rare versions - auto-attack doesn't do much, but every little bit helps.</div><div> </div><div>4 - poison.  You can use more than one at a time!  One damage poison (I use a high direct damage type), and one debuff poison (I use a piercing / magic one - I think).  You can buy them in any of the local fringe towns for the lower levels, and in SQ for the higher levels.  Note  -  you can also buy them on the broker, or ask a scholar or an alchemist (or a jeweler or a sage for T2 as well) to make you some.  Crafted poisons do more damage!!!!</div><div> </div><div>5 - Technique.  This forum is full of techniques that several generations of Rangers have developed.  A simple "How do I" post (like this one by the way!) will have them pouring out for you.  By the way - I do this...</div><div> </div><div>As a pred, first I stealthed.  I'd open an attack with Shadow Blade.  I'd hit my HO, Hit my Cheap Shot (Adept 3 this one - you'll be using it FOREVER! Even level 60). Move behind the mob again while he's stunned (doesn't work that well in groups, but single mobs are toast) and stealth while doing so.  Hit with the other Stealth attack, and then Pierce (to complete HO).  If he's still standing, I let the auto-attack do some damage, and then Cheap Shotted him again.</div><div> </div><div>Note - very soon (if you haven't already) you'll get a skill (can't remember the name) that allows you to strike from flank (not stealthed) and drops you into stealth when you do it.  Using this, it's the same as above, but without Hide.  use the CA instead (doing damage AND stealthing) and carry on from there.</div><div> </div><div>6 - If you go ranger, the Bow is your Friend!  Pristine Imbued Bone Longbow for T2.  Pristine Imbued Fir Longbow for T3!  There are quest bows out there that aren't bad too.  With my Fir bow, I can have a mob dead before he even reaches me with 2 CA's.  If you're carrying a shortbow bought off the merchant, ditch it.</div><div> </div><div>All you more experienced Rangers out there - feel free to add to this - still learning myself...</div>

[Frobus]

<div></div>I'll echo a lot of things that others have said.Yes, use poisons, they work wonders.  Your ranged attacks are fairly limited at the moment, because you're not a full fledged ranger just yet <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Basic strategy for soloing a predator (when I was leveling up) was find a blue con solo mob open with a stealth attack.  Start a heroic opportunity.  Advance it with cheapshot, run behind it and use a flanking attack.  Finish the HO if the flanking attack doesn't.  Continue meleeing and chaining HOs.  Once you've got swindler's luck up and running, try to flip to Ringing blow for extra damage.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Frobus on <span class="date_text">01-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:40 PM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Bayler_xev wrote:By the way: It's also considered poor form - and often explicitly against the rules - to "cross post".  Cross posting is posting the same message in multiple forums to try to get a larger audience.  Just pick the one forum that best matches your subject.<div></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div><font color="#ffff00">Well as you can see Iam pretty new to this game and the also new to rules on a forum... but who really reads the rules.... As far as cross posting goes....I think I put this in total on the Combat Board and also the Class board..... mainly becuase i really didnt know which was the right one to use.... there was no intention to spam the boards for quick answers ..... I just placed it on one board and then wondered if maybe I had placed it in the right place..... as there are ALWAYS people around to tell you  you have put it on the wrong forum.....so in this instance I think it would be right to give me a break regarding  my confusion.......but thanks for the enlightenment.....<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

Thank you so much everyone..... have new hope for my little ranger... specially Spectralmists techniques... hihi..... also going to try the "ENTER" key... hmmm wonder what that does.....<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Spectralmist]

<div><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:Thank you so much everyone..... have new hope for my little ranger... specially Spectralmists techniques... hihi..... also going to try the "ENTER" key... hmmm wonder what that does.....<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Glad I could help Holly.  I'm pretty new to the Ranger business myself, but I've read a lot on these forums, and tried out some of the stuff. </div><div> </div><div>Note - I just read a post on procing off weapons that I found really interesting.  Currently, I have a couple imbued dual wields and an imbued bow, but they all proc Gleaming Strike.  From what I understand, I can get some weapons (and chest and leg armor as well) that will proc off my bow attacks as well.  I'll have to look into that.  I'm way to low for the Polished Granite Tomahawk Heritage Quest, but it's been in my plan since I read about it.</div><div> </div><div>If you didn't quite catch the references to procs - do a search on the forums.  From what I understand, procs are a Ranger's VERY BEST FRIEND.  Poisons proc, imbued weapons and bows proc, imbued chest armor procs healing (which is nice) while imbued leg armor procs Damage (which is very nice!). </div><div> </div><div>How do I get an imbued whatever?  I'd search the Tradeskill forum for that.  Lots of stuff there. </div>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div>Fantastic..... I have actually got some recipe books in my list which show how to get imbued whatevers....never really been sure as to how effective the imbueds are but will try and make some armour or get one of my other chars to make some armour for me.... see what happens....:smileyhappy:

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div>The Enter key is your friend. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry, I couldn't finish that one, but the responses are right on. If you'd rather just stand still and nuke, I'd switch back to your wizard. Rangers take some practice to play effectively.<hr></blockquote><font color="#ffff00">Hmmm well i tried using the ENTER key during combat with a little gnoll and nothing happens....pressed and pressed and pressed enter... totally zip.... so now iam asking what does the ENTER key do and when do you use it....?? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font>

[Kallia]

<div>I will bite here <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>What Jay42 was getting at was that your posts are rather hard to read as you don't seem to have the paragraph skill on your hotbar <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (well I assume that was what he was saying)</div><div> </div><div>If your were being ironic in your last post then I humbly apologise <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Mentla]

<span><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div>The Enter key is your friend. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry, I couldn't finish that one, but the responses are right on. If you'd rather just stand still and nuke, I'd switch back to your wizard. Rangers take some practice to play effectively.<hr></blockquote><font color="#ffff00">Hmmm well i tried using the ENTER key during combat with a little gnoll and nothing happens....pressed and pressed and pressed enter... totally zip.... so now iam asking what does the ENTER key do and when do you use it....?? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font><hr></blockquote>I'm actualy crying.  Thank you so much.....Anyway, you don't need to cross post, just post with us here.  I've just started a thread about how the Rangers forum is the nicest and most helpful by a long way.  If we can't help you no one can  <span>:smileyhappy:</span>As to the poisen shop in SQ, there are different vendors in the shop depending on your level.  Upstairs for people 20-29 iirc.My best piece of advice was already given - a tank is your best friend at this level.  If you can get someone to hold agro you can just camp behind the mob and shred them in no time.  At higher levels when you get more bow attacks a heller good bow will be your best friend......well, 2nd best after a good alchemist (of which there seem to be NONE on Runnyeye  <span>:smileysad:</span>)</span><div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Kalliath wrote:<div>I will bite here <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>What Jay42 was getting at was that your posts are rather hard to read as you don't seem to have the paragraph skill on your hotbar <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (well I assume that was what he was saying)</div><div> </div><div>If your were being ironic in your last post then I humbly apologise <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote><div><font color="#ffff00">Yes .. im sorry... english humor.. i was being Pedantic.....and a bit long winded maybe......hihi.......we type like we talk..... if there are dots...... then you stop reading....... take a breath...... and continue when you see the words again.......but i have to admit it made me think for a second......or six.....:smileyvery-happy:</font></div>

[Jay]

<div></div>LOL, it always sounds to me like you're panting for breath during your posts, like you've just finished running a marathon and need some advice about poisons. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[tweety1972]

<blockquote><p>The best I have found is attack with a bow CA or on a mob pounce but i never new about stunning and running behind. Once you hit Lvl 30 do 1 HO empty the CA bars and then back up for a bow shot, run back up and use the rip CA (free arrows are the best) run up and do another HO.</p><p>I know poisons are a rangers best friend, but jay42 or someone else on Butcherblock will have to help me there. Also I think Jay42 is the one that started /worldranger chat. (someone better check with that one) It helps to ask on that in game for some quick tips.</p></blockquote>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>tweety1972 wrote:<blockquote><p>I know poisons are a rangers best friend, but jay42 or someone else on Butcherblock will have to help me there. Also I think Jay42 is the one that started /worldranger chat. (someone better check with that one) It helps to ask on that in game for some quick tips.</p></blockquote><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah, I started the Butcherblock.Worldranger channel. You can subscribe by typing /join Butcherblock.Worldranger in your chat window.</p><p>RE: Poisons...not really sure what you're asking there, but any ranger can help with info, not just the ones on our server. (Speaking of which, what's your toon's name? I don't think I know who you are in-game.)</p>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div>LOL, it always sounds to me like you're panting for breath during your posts, like you've just finished running a marathon and need some advice about poisons. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><p>LOL ..... well.... you have to also watch it... these dots are contageous......DoT dots......hihi......just dont speak to me too long and you shall be fine.....:smileywink: .as for panting for breath ...welll... quite possibly.... I usually come fresh from the fight with some query or other.. haha....but just now I can breath a little been as im at work.......and STILL the dots come......I just read below about a ranger channel you started..... would like to look in on that....<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Im really fired up with my ranger now... she just hit lvl 20 and I just loaded up with poisons.... and at last managed to get two sharp weapons in each hand.... one piercing and one slashing.... and WOWWWWWWW!!! what a difference.......she dices and splices like a demon.... so went out immediately and slaughtered a few lvl20 bears... and practiced the stun, run behind and then wallop with a stealth slashing thingy.....it takes a while i think to perfect this... but now my ranger is coming into her own league i think......going to max her out with all her spells and arts......I think I even like her better than my main lvl29wiz now........oh ... going to go back and put a paragraph in so you guys can breath easier.. hihi......:smileytongue:</p>

[Mentla]

Not seen "hi hi" in a sentence since the 19th century!  Good work that man! Huzzah!<div></div>

[Stigch]

<div></div><div>I have a thing or two to say about poisons. It might just be me, but it seems to me that there's not much use in paying for player made (expensive) poisons. I'm currently still using the generic storebought stuff. I don't even have two active, just the high initial damage (i don't remember it's name because I've only ever bought one and it's still not used up. been with me for a good 10 levels that vial). Mobs drop so fast, no more help appears to be required.</div><div> </div><div>That being said, and to recap for all the other preds in trouble:</div><div> </div><div>How does a predator (and later on a ranger) work v1.0</div><div> </div><div>1) Your start every battle from stealth, opening with your highest stealth attackn (shadow blade, pounce, that lot)</div><div>2) You start your HO right after that. You have several skills to advance the HO and several to finish it. Find what works for you. Bleed is often a favourite</div><div>3) Remember you can change your HO's outcome with any skill with a coin Icon. You can swap another swindlers luck for that needed strike.</div><div>4) "Stepping in" is the most valuable trick a ranger/pred can learn and must learn. Stepping in is the art of stunning your target so you have time to go stealth and get one of those high dmg skill off. At some point you get skills that drop you into stealth after you do a special dmg move (I'm buggered for a name though). This skill requires you to be flanking (next to) or behind your target, hence the name 'stepping in'. It'll leave you behind your target and in stealth, ready to pounce. Mega dmg.</div><div>5) Once you get your bow skills (wounding arrow, backshot and open shot) you should open with those. You're target will be half dead when it gets to you and after you step in it'll be done or very close to it. Stepping in requires you to switch of melee otherwise you break the stun. When you've hit all your ranged attacks, you'r not automatically in melee. You can stun the moment the target get's into range. After you've completed the move you do automatically start Melee.</div><div> </div><div>The ranger. It's not so much a profession as it is an art. It's nothign more than ranged attacks, stepping in, finishing of. 20 second fights. Nothing very herioc, but you're a ranger, not a hero.</div>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><blockquote>RE: Poisons...not really sure what you're asking there, but any ranger can help with info, not just the ones on our server. (Speaking of which, what's your toon's name? I don't think I know who you are in-game.)</blockquote><hr></blockquote>Its Tweetythree for the ranger, and I was hoping for a chat with some of the rangers on world ranger or other tells as needed for some advice but you happen to be the most vocal of the rangers I know here and on our server so you just happen to be the first one that comes to mind here. (Also credit where credit is due here you did set up the worldranger for all of us to use)

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><p> </p><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><div>I have a thing or two to say about poisons. It might just be me, but it seems to me that there's not much use in paying for player made (expensive) poisons. I'm currently still using the generic storebought stuff. I don't even have two active, just the high initial damage (i don't remember it's name because I've only ever bought one and it's still not used up. been with me for a good 10 levels that vial). Mobs drop so fast, no more help appears to be required.</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><p>Would really be grateful if you could remember the name of the  poison you use as the ones i am using right now are totally useless.... i cast them and then as soon as they are cast the mob is "recovering" errrrm ....with no effect it seems on their health levels going down....? I have tried Mordant Goo.... Acidic Goo and Acidic Massage.....which seem to be the highest i can get at my level...... Im lvl 20 Ranger and bought a whole load of these three particular poisons and now im seriously thinking of selling them back...... not impressed so far with poison, even though its supposed to be a Rangers best friend..... any advice anyone can give me would be really appreciated......Thanks...</p>

[Stigch]

<div></div>It was a sludge of some type. I think it was crypt sludge, but it also might have been caress of the phantom. Thing is, I threw it away only some days ago to make way for an expensive player made poison that does indeed seems to do bugger all.

[Mentla]

Lets throw potions into the mix.  Never used them at all before, but some alchy had been levelling and was clearing his inv so I - with my bruiser - took some off his hands.  Hesus Chrysler did it make a difference!!  Don't remember the name but +20 AGI and STR was about the total of it, and that makes a HECK of a difference to a Bruiser!  Got about 4 master chests in FG solo  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Anyway, we all know about stacking poisens (for Holly you can stack 2 poisens with a diff % chance of proccing, e.g. a 25% and a 15%, plus a stun) but can you then stack a potion on top of that?<div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div>Ok.. im off on the hunt for both of those things then......Crypt Sludge and Caress of the Phantom....hmm I think I have a recipe for Caress of the Phantom.....<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ... as for "stacking poisons" errm .... I have to read up more about those... I have no idea what stacking is..... or Procs.......<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but thank you Stigchel and MentLa.....this is so interesting hearing all what I can now do with my Ranger....<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:19 AM</span></p>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><p>Ok, something I can help with here finally.</p><p>Stacking poisons means you have two slots in your inventory, place a poison in each and before you go out to adventure activate both of them. Drink a potion and you will have all activated and ready to use when you begin attacking stuff. Just remember poisons have a %to hit on them so dont expect them to hit all the time.</p><p>I dont understand the Proc but it is similar to the poisons in that you have a % chance that when you attack you activate <insert name of activator here> . Someone have a link to one of the threads on Proc's?</p>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div>Thanks Tweety...... with your help i realise that I was using poisons wrongly..... I had them on my Hotbar and when i was in melee i would click one.... hihi... at the time I thought this is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] expensive stuff if you only have five shots of it......*embarrassed face* <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So I put them in my Charm slots and tried to activate them.....No activate button..... so I just put them in one of my bag slots and then I got "activate" button........They work brilliantly ... I couldnt find the Cryptic Sludge but I did find Catacomb Sludge which really does some nice damage... and Blight of Evening.........Was just wondering how many poisons you can actually use at the same time........When I look in my combat chat window when i activate a poison it says.... "The poisons disipates from your weapons" and then without doing anything straight after it says...."you coat your weapons with Poison"...... I wish they would make things a little clearer as to what you are doing.......and if i go to coat my weapons with a second poison, will take away the effect of the first poison i "coated my weapons with"......hence my question... how many I wonder can I use.......any ideas.....<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ??Thanks for your help and reply Tweety....<div></div><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:04 AM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:Anyway, we all know about stacking poisens (for Holly you can stack 2 poisens with a diff % chance of proccing, e.g. a 25% and a 15%, plus a stun) but can you then stack a potion on top of that?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ahhh sorry...... just  read back.... ok.. so its two poisons i can stack as long as they have a different percentage of chance to be used.......great ok...... now you have me wondering about the potion.....I suppose this is anything  like "gust of insight" maybe or .......something which increases one of your abilities like agi, int, wiz.. etc......</span><div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Dasanhgul wrote:<div></div><p><u>PS</u>: I know you been copy/past'ing this message in a few forums, but at least you could take the time to structure it so we dont get a headache trying to read it.</p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ffff00">Thanks for your help and advice Dasanhgul really good info....will do my best to restructure for you.....<span>:smileywink: and nopes.. had not been copy and pasting in a <em>few</em> forums at all.....must have been someone else....:smileywink:</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffff00"><span>Sometimes i have to ask myself if its safer to ask a question here or to just risk facing my enemies on Norrath...</span></font></p><p> </p></span><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:59 AM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<span><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:Anyway, we all know about stacking poisens (for Holly you can stack 2 poisens with a diff % chance of proccing, e.g. a 25% and a 15%, plus a stun) but can you then stack a potion on top of that?<div></div></blockquote></span><div></div><hr></blockquote></span>Just tried to find a poison with a different percentage.... they all seem like 25% to me......even the higher levels ones...... looked in the Alchemist place just past the Archway in South Qeynos........any ideas where other % are at....??<div></div>

[Zholain]

<div></div><div></div><font size="2"><span></span></font><blockquote><hr><font size="2">HollyBaloo wrote:<span></span></font><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:Anyway, we all know about stacking poisens (for Holly you can stack 2 poisens with a diff % chance of proccing, e.g. a 25% and a 15%, plus a stun) but can you then stack a potion on top of that?</blockquote></span><hr></blockquote>Just tried to find a poison with a different percentage.... they all seem like 25% to me......even the higher levels ones...... looked in the Alchemist place just past the Archway in South Qeynos........any ideas where other % are at....??<hr></blockquote><font size="2">Basically a poison that does different types of 'things' has a different chance to proc.  Meaning a poison that does damage has a certain percent and a poison that debuffs the mob has a different percentage.  There is also the miscellanous category that there seems (at least to me) to have some grey area, but regardless stun/stifle poisons fall into this category and usually hve the lowest % chance to proc.  You can have one of each category charged at the same time.  I believe the scale goes something like this:  Damage = 25%, Debuff = 15%, and Misc = 5%, although I could be wrong about that.Potions fall into a different thing altogether, and I don't want to be to one to even try to talk about those.</font><font size="2"><span></span></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Zholain on <span class="date_text">01-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:05 PM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

Thanks Zholain.....very well explained but now i have to figure out which are the debuffs and which are the other kinds.....so far im just using Cryptic Sludge which really does a good job....at my level its knocking 70 off my target every 6 seconds... and then starts again.... I looked in my combat log and was amazed what damage it actually did... so if i added another poison then the damage would be ridiculously wonderful....<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Aye, indeed.  I don't believe the npc vendors sell anything except damage poisons.  Debuffs and misc need to be bought from players.  Two that work well for rangers are the ones that debuff poison resistance or the ones that debuff piercing resistance.  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.eq2alchemy.com">EQ2Alchemy</a> is a wonderful site to get information on poisons and potions and stuff.  Good Luck  <span>:womanhappy:</span></font><div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

I just checked out the Alchemy Site you sent me a link for..... its sooooo good.... Thanks again Zholain. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<p><span><font color="#ffff00"><font color="#ffffff" face="Comic Sans MS"><span>Actually I might just post this somewhere else now....hmmmm let me think about this.....have I posted<span></span> this in the right area......?<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span></font></font></span></p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't know, have you? I read almost every thread on these forums, and I don't see the rash of cruelty that you're referring to - maybe once or twice recently have I seen someone ask a poster to refrain from cross-posting, or remind them that it's against the forum rules.</p><p>FWIW, I have no problems with where you're posting (if it's off in some other forum, I don't even know it). But I do have a hard time reading your posts b/c of the ellipses. I know you're an intelligent person and I'm not criticizing you for it - it's your call to write however you please - but just letting you know that you may be discouraging responses by formatting in a way that's hard on the eyes / mind. Maybe it's just me, though, I'm a writer / editor for a living; I bet that formatting doesn't cause others physical pain like it does to me. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Mentla]

Paragon of the queens English here.  I lament the use of grammar and punctuation - or rather the lack of it - on the inter-web on a daily basis, but I fear the OP does not have English as their first language.  So we can cut the little fella some slack IMHO  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Has anyone else started using IIRC in real life?<div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div>OP is very english... as english can be......born and bred ........<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and a grade A student in english language and literature.......believe it or not........ but each of us has our own views on grammar........ but this board is for answering queries..... people that read these queries have a choice, to read or not to read.............. I dont demand that anyone read my posts.....and I dont shout for answers...... if anyone is kind enough to  offer any information that I require then thats great..... and I am always thankful..... I would never dream of saying anything about anyones style of communication...... as long as one can read it and understand that what is so wrong...... the choice in the end is up to the reader.....And yes I did post it somewhere else.....on what I thought was the appropriate board......as for my own experience of someone slamming me for posting in the wrong place, I just think it was a case of someone trying to achieve some posting record....<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Now I shall not speak anymore about this topic.....there is no solution... so a pointless task........and everyone has their own views but im not about to try and impress my view on anyone..... I just came here with a simple unassuming question.......which got blown out of all proportion by a couple of little tin forum gods.......<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 'Enough said.<div></div><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-26-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:01 AM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote: but I fear the OP does not have English as their first language.  So we can cut the little fella some slack IMHO  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Wierd..... maybe its because I live in sweden..... swedes have very strange ways of speaking english which maybe I have picked up on......<span>:smileysurprised:</span>  PS the little fella is a actually a Fell-ess.....<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> hihi</span><div></div>

[Stigch]

<div>I never got the hang of stacking poisons either. No matter what duo's I use, they always replace eachother. I only use storebought ones though and they are all more or less the same. It's either ascending or declining dmg with a hit percentage. Doesn't do not appear to stack at all. Combining with a debuff could possibly work. What kind of debuf would be good in this case? My fights don't last very long, I don't use magic attack. A snare poison wouldn't work cause by the time the poison procs' I'll have used all my range skills. Only thing that could work would be a mitigation debuff or something.</div>

[Bayler_x]

<span><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:And yes I did post it somewhere else.....on what I thought was the appropriate board......as for my own experience of someone slamming me for posting in the wrong place, I just think it was a case of someone trying to achieve some posting record....<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> as all I did was first put this post on Combat Arts Board... which I think is pretty suitable..........but then I realised there are specialist Class boards........and thats all there is to it...... but of course...... I was slammed for spamming the "many" boards.....errrm.....I give up.........Now I shall not speak anymore about this topic.....there is no solution... so a pointless task........and everyone has their own views but im not about to try and impress my view on anyone..... I just came here with a simple unassuming question.......which got blown out of all proportion by a couple of little tin forum gods.......<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 'Enough said.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Since you clearly won't shut up about the issue, let's have it out.  You're mad at me, for my post in this thread saying that it's bad form to cross-post.  Is that right?I intended my post to be a quick little side-note to educate a newcommer on forum ettiquette.  If you took that as a "slamming", I apologize.  However, I don't feel that I was rude; nor do I feel that I was out of place in offering my advice.  For any society to function smoothly, it's necessary for people to teach the rules of appropriate behavior to the newcommers. You claim that the warning wasn't necessary for you - that it was only a single additional post.  Okay.  But I didn't know that.  For all I knew, until someone told you otherwise, you were going to keep posting the same question in several other places.  Your posts did, after all, bear several marks of a forum rookie: all-caps title with superfluous exclaimation points, and difficult to read body text.It may interest you to know that, before I made my post recommending against cross-posting, I addressed all of your questions in the other thread.  I took time out of my day to try to help you, someone who was having problems and asking for help.  So did several other people.  That thread has disappeared, though - and I dare say gone largely unread.  The time others and I took to try to help you was wasted, because you cross-posted.  My answers included much of the advice given in this thread; so you've wasted these posters' time as well.Now, if you still feel that you've been wronged, then report me to a moderator, or send me a private message to talk it out.  But please drop the drama queen act; I'm getting tired of repeatedly reading your passive-agressive attacks against me.</span><div></div>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><div></div><p>To Baylor Xev</p>Then you should have checked your facts before being so open.... and you shouldnt get upset if the advice you offer is not welcomed...or not needed..... I have actually made it a practice to not give advice where its negative... and never unless its asked for.....But yes I do see ALL answers that are written to me.... because i go into my Profile and then into .. "read all posts by this user" and if anyone has written a reply to you then the subject line of that post is in <b><font color="#ffff00">BOLD</font></b> yellow... THATS how i knew I had new posts....<span>:smileyhappy:</span>. so dont be upset that a lot of peoples posts were wasted.... they were most <b>definately</b> not..... I would not miss a chance at reading anything that anyone has sent me..... its yet another blatant assumption which you have jumped too,  and its these that are getting you into trouble...and putting peoples backs up.I have no idea what happened to that so called thread that disappeared... but been as I am on here literally all day while at work there is a 100% probability that each and EVERY message sent to  myself was read....... and again I thank everyone always for what they send me......Im not a bad person...but I dont take kindly to people that jump down peoples throats before checking the facts.......I know you meant well... and maybe I have been a little hard on you...... but seriously..... the things I wrote about  were NOT all about you.... its what I have noticed in general, so dont take it so personally.  But I do have a suggestion, if you do want to inform someone that what they are doing is "poor form" then maybe its more of a good idea to do it privately rather than chastizing them in public, a much better idea I think. I for one would not stand for it as you know, I can bite <span>:smileywink:</span> But lets put this behind us and try and make this a nice place for anyone to post anything they want, and just get on with what this forum is all about, gleaning information for a really good game....<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:41 PM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>I think enough has been said now.</blockquote></span><span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:42 PM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div>I never got the hang of stacking poisons either. No matter what duo's I use, they always replace eachother. I only use storebought ones though and they are all more or less the same. It's either ascending or declining dmg with a hit percentage. Doesn't do not appear to stack at all. Combining with a debuff could possibly work. What kind of debuf would be good in this case? My fights don't last very long, I don't use magic attack. A snare poison wouldn't work cause by the time the poison procs' I'll have used all my range skills. Only thing that could work would be a mitigation debuff or something.</div><hr></blockquote>Yes I found that too that you stack one and then try to do another it seemed to replace it.....or did it.....but I guess the way to tell if both are being used is to watch your Combat chat window.... it does give a blow by blow fight account i see......so i suppose then its easy to see what poisons are being used...... I think I did notice that ONE was being used... but not sure if at the time I just had one poison activated....oh well... i guess someone may have an answer on here somewhere...... will let you know if I find out....<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<span><blockquote>Wierd..... maybe its because I live in sweden..... swedes have very strange ways of speaking english which maybe I have picked up on......<span>:smileysurprised:</span>  PS the little fella is a actually a Fell-ess.....<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> hihi</span></blockquote><div></div><p></p><hr><p>Could we hope for the Swedish bikini team? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> j/k</p><p><smiles, waves, reaches for asprin></p><p><whispers to mentla "it aint worth it"></p></blockquote>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<p><span>This is my last and final comment on your outburst.....and to yourself....but if you do continue to make a scene like this then you will leave me with no alternative than to report you.....suggest you leave it alone now.....Sandra.</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>ROFL, sweet... go ahead and report him. Make sure that your report includes the part where you violated SOE's rules for their forums, and where he politely informed you of the rule you violated in an attempt to help you become more informed. I'm sure that'll work out exactly the way you're hoping for. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Shader has not "wronged" you once. Reporting is for flames, personal attacks, and other inappropriate behavior. He's never called you a name, said you were stupid, or in any way attacked you. You chose to have a problem with his comment and you've made a far bigger deal out of this than anyone else.  </p><p>No one here has a problem with you, Sandra; we've tried to help you, both with your questions about the class and the game, and with some tips about using the SOE forums. But you seem to have a problem with some of us, or feel a sense of entitlement and immunity that nobody using a public forum is granted outright. Your words are there for all to see and comment upon as they see fit, within the rules of that forum.  </p><p>Believe me, I welcome participation and discussion about the ranger class on this board; that's what it's for, and many of us (Shader included) have worked hard over the past year to engender a culture of respect and consideration for fellow rangers. But that's a two-way street; you'll earn respect if you respect others. Calling some of us "little tin forum gods" because we gave you suggestions about your posts doesn't really show much consideration and respect toward those that are taking the time to help you.</p>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div><div></div>I have always been polite and courtious to EVERYONE that has answered me... and its not my problem that your feathers get ruffled if someone bites back because one of your clan doesnt know how to check their facts before opening their mouth, or, know when to take something private for the sake of publicly making the "new comer" look like a total dork suggesting things that are not true..... and keep things private when "guiding the newb"  this is a fine site and I am killing myself laughing with your psuedo superiority .. and condescending attitude, which Im afraid dont work, and I mean.. laughing my  errm socks  off...(for want of a better word that im not allowed to put)... I have not violated anything...whats this initimidation now ...you make me laugh I could cry... and if I did... well.. at this stage do you really think I care..... this is victimization in its purest form, any decent person <i>without</i> their head in their superior clouds will see this for what it is, get down off your high horses for all our sakes, and learn a bit of etiquette yourselves, and maybe even how to spell right...*Leaves the forum for tonight with a big incredulous smile thinking some guys really need a life*<div></div><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:10 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:13 PM</span></p>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:RESPECT!!!!.... you guys do not know the meaning of it.....<snipped rest of inane ranting><hr></blockquote><p>Wow...defensive much? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Superiority? Intimidation? Bullying? ROFL, that's some reality you're living in.</p><p>(And now my cover's blown, too. I guess my days of cruelty and browbeating are over. Shucks.)</p>

[HollyBaloo]

<div></div>You know this old saying?..." its better to keep ones mouth shut and let people believe you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt....." go figure.  And if 42 is your age, dont you think you should really know better... grow up:<div></div><p>Message Edited by HollyBaloo on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:16 PM</span></p>

[HollyBaloo]

<span><blockquote><hr>Jay42 wrote:<div></div><p>(And now my cover's blown, too. I guess my days of cruelty and browbeating are over. Shucks.)</p><hr></blockquote>Cruelty and browbeating?  WOW  you have dilusions about yourself.---<span>:smileytongue:</span> .go try it on someone that cares and that  it would work on... now im really ROTFLMAO</span><div></div>

[Ranja]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p><font color="#ffffff">OK I can't resist I have to get in on this too :smileyvery-happy:</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Posions seems to be a great source of confusion for alot of beginners so let me do my best to clarify a few things.</font></p><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" color="#ffffff"><strong>What are they and what forms do they come in:</strong></font></font></p><p><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" color="#ffffff">Form: Damage Poisons</font></font></p><p align="left"><font color="#ffffff">DD = Direct Damage</font></p><p align="left"><font color="#ffffff">DOT=Damage over Time</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">You have poisons that go from each spectrum from High DD and Low DoT to High DoT to Low DD -The higher one (DD or DoT) the lower the other. You cannot get a poison that has a high DD and a high DOT. Most rangers use the high DD as the proc overwrites itself before the full DoT has ticked but it is up to you.</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Only one damage poison can be applied at a time. It does not matter if it is ascending, declining, periodic or any other name or the proc percentage. ONLY ONE damage poison can be active at a time.</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Form: Debuff</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Examples: Slashing, piercing, blunt, poison, magic, fire, stamina, strength, agility.</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">If there is a stat for it you can debuff it with a poison. Again, only one of these poisons can be up at any given time. A very popular one is the poison debuff or the piercing debuff. </font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Form: Misc Debuff</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Examples: Stun, stifle</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">These poisons don’t debuff and they don’t do damage. You can only have one up of these at any given time.</font></p><p><strong><font color="#ffffff">How to apply poisons:</font></strong></p><p><font color="#ffffff">You do not need the poisons in your activate able slot. Simply right click on it in your inventory and choose use or activate (I forget which one). You will see the poison icon show up in your activated spells window. Do these for each type of poison and you will see 3 poison icons in your activated spells window. Mouse over each icon and it will tell you what poison it is.</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">As a matter of fact, if you keep poisons in this slot you are missing out on additional stats that you should have. For example, I keep to strength hex dolls in those slots that give me a combined +26 to strength. Why would I want poisons there?</font></p><p><strong><font color="#ffffff">NPC vs Player:</font></strong></p><p><font color="#ffffff">NPC are much cheaper and only sell damage poisons and only proc 100 times. The player made poisons proc 200 times and are much better. Only debuff and misc debuff are player made. It is up to you but let me give you some knowledge to better make your decisions. At T6, I use Adeste’s Disruption for me (with my INT) it reads 450 damage up front with a very small tick. The best damage NPC poison you can get is 220 damage up front with a small tick. You make the decision.</font></p><p><strong><font color="#ffffff">Poisons and Procs:</font></strong></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Poisons will only proc off your main hand weapon now. This was a recent change. This means that only when your main hand weapon connects do you have a chance to proc your poison. Poisons will proc off your bow as well. This is good in that we no longer run out of poison as fast but bad in that it cuts are DPS down.</font></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">You can buy all NPC poisons from the alchemist in SQ. There are 4 different alchemists that each sells a different tier of poison. If one is selling all red poisons, go check the others unless you are above 50 – one of them will be selling a poison you can use. And remember, there is an upstairs.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">And on a final note, Sandra, your posts are very hard to read. And at times make very little sense. I think this is one of the reasons that you are so confused. It is not always obvious what you are asking when it is not put in proper sentence and paragraph form. We are answering your posts as best as possible but we don’t always know what you are asking when two sentences run together. </font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Elbryan</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">60 Ranger (finally!)</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Blind Guardians</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Everfrost</font></p></span><p>Message Edited by bentgate on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:29 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by bentgate on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:34 PM</span></p>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p>On another note, why does it always put double spaces between my line breaks. A neatly written concise report got turned into a scrawling mess.</p><p>Elbryan</p><p>59 Ranger</p><p> </p>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>I'm not sure, it's the Lithium HTML silliness, but you can press Shift+Enter to do a line break without a hard return - that'll put your cursor right beneath the current line.</p><p>Oh sorry, there I go bullying and intimidating you again! My bad! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zholain]

<font size="3">GUYS !!!!   Please, please stop this.  We seem to be engaging in the sort of thing that we have detested and not allowed on these forums in the past.  We are a helpful community, and try to keep things positive here, remember?No one is intentionally insulting, demeaning, belittling, or looking down upon anyone else, and if they are, then they are not particularly welcome on the ranger boards.  There are a dozen things I could say for both sides here, but I refuse to get wrapped up in this.  I don't care how you all settle this, but please don't put a black eye on the ranger boards doing it.</font><div></div>

[Ranja]

<div></div><div></div><p>Thanks Jay - shift+enter, my little friend</p><p>Elbryan59 RangerBlind GuardiansEverfrost</p><p>Message Edited by bentgate on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:52 PM</span></p>

[Mentla]

<font color="#ff0000"><b>What has happened here?</b></font>  I haven't read the bulk of the last 2 pages, but when I subscribed to this thread a new predator was asking for help and it was being offered.  I return a few days later to find THIS?!Guys, we are Ranger.  Act like it.<div></div>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mentla wrote:<font color="#ff0000"><b>What has happened here?</b></font> <div></div><snip><hr></blockquote><p>What happened was inevitable. Someone said something, someone dissagreed, and a squabble broke out.</p><p>Now we are rangers so we will not continue this as seen in other areas for 5 to 6 pages. (counting on some optimism here)</p><p> </p><p>Oh yah one other thing, is it a good idea to have a slash/pierce debuff or a fire debuff up as some of our CA's are fire based?</p>

[Mentla]

Don't remember the name of it but we get a fire debuff.  I think mine is around 'reduces targets resistence to heat damage by 888' or thereabouts.  Also slows the mob and can be used on the move....which is nice.<div></div>

[Zholain]

<div><span><blockquote><hr><font size="2">tweety1972 wrote:</font><p><font size="2">Oh yah one other thing, is it a good idea to have a slash/pierce debuff or a fire debuff up as some of our CA's are fire based?</font></p><hr></blockquote><font size="2">In raid situations, I will switch debuff types depending on mobs immunities/resistances.  If the mob is immune to something, no use trying to debuff it of course.  So you eliminate one possibility right off the bat.  I usually try to use the poison that debuffs the type of attack that the mob is weakest against, if I have that information available.</font></span></div>

[Ranja]

<div></div><p>Well I offered a detailed post on poisons to try to get the debate back on track. And yet, the 6 subsequent posts are still about all the blathering before that. If you want to stop with the blathering, comment on the topic at hand. Or comment on my post or add to it. I thought I would get it back on track with some useful info but yet you all still keep posting about the other stuff.</p><p> </p><p>Elbryan60 RangerBlind GuardiansEverfrost</p>

[Jay]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Zholain wrote:<font size="3">GUYS !!!!   Please, please stop this.  We seem to be engaging in the sort of thing that we have detested and not allowed on these forums in the past.  We are a helpful community, and try to keep things positive here, remember?No one is intentionally insulting, demeaning, belittling, or looking down upon anyone else, and if they are, then they are not particularly welcome on the ranger boards.  There are a dozen things I could say for both sides here, but I refuse to get wrapped up in this.  I don't care how you all settle this, but please don't put a black eye on the ranger boards doing it.</font><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>/shrug</p><p>You know where I stand. I never go out of my way to give somebody a hard time, but I also don't stand idly by when I see someone being a jerk to another ranger who has been a very helpful contributor over the past year (and who didn't do anything to merit the attack). I know you and I differ there, Cat - and I admire you for your patience - but I don't feel the need to apologize for standing up for myself and my friends when we're being needlessly insulted. And IMO this is not a big deal, I posted a couple times and moved on, and I'm not losing any sleep over it. If I got in an argument with someone I knew and respected, it'd be one thing, but this is water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zholain]

<font size="2">Perhaps I just didn't get my point across.  The intent of my post was to try to persuade everyone to forget it and move on.  We all know that nothing positive comes from threads like this.</font><div></div>

[Jay]

<div></div><p>No, I understand you. I guess I just don't mind that some threads aren't 100% positive. Ppl will disagree and periodically bicker, even on our forums, but it just doesn't bother me that much. By and large this board remains a very helpful, kind, accepting place. And while I'm not going to go out of my way to start fights (or continue them once I've said my piece), I don't have the patience to turn the other cheek every time.</p><p>However, I am sincerely sorry if this upset anyone else. I just can't help but find it hilarious when I'm told that I'm an intimidating bully on this board. LOL!! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Anyway, if anyone wants to talk to me any further about this, please PM me and I'll be happy to continue the conversation. Out of respect for the rest of the community, I'm leaving this thread alone from here on out.</p>

[Deml]

<div>We know you're a bully Kaeros.  Always talking about wanting to eat wood elves.  I think you've just got a thing for me and my sexy butt or something.  :smileytongue:</div><div> </div><div>As to the question on debuffs.  I switched awhile back to only using Glox and Djinn on raids, depending on the mobs weapon resists.  I use those two over any elemental debuff primarily because there will be more people hitting the mob with a specific weapon type than an elemental type, so I try to drop the melee resists to that weapon so the raid as a whole does more damage.  If there's no weapon resist on the mob, I'll usually try to keep Glox up so my piercing attacks do more damage.</div>

[Qwexer]

<div></div><p>Sorry but I have read the entire tread all of the way though but was distracted and a little disoriented; do PC's make dd or dot poisons or only NPC's sorry I know that this was prob already answered but cant find it. Oh and ty on the shift+enter solution, been buggin' the hell-o out of me.</p><p>Highkeep/Ranger/WoodfireTrader of collectibles pst me anytime</p><p>P.S. DON'T EAT ME I'M STRINGY AND I'LL GIVE YOU INDIGESTION!! although high in fiber (wood elf, hehe)</p>

[GoNom]

<div><blockquote><hr>Qwexer wrote:<div></div><p>Sorry but I have read the entire tread all of the way though but was distracted and a little disoriented; do PC's make dd or dot poisons or only NPC's sorry I know that this was prob already answered but cant find it. Oh and ty on the shift+enter solution, been buggin' the hell-o out of me.</p><p>Highkeep/Ranger/WoodfireTrader of collectibles pst me anytime</p><p>P.S. DON'T EAT ME I'M STRINGY AND I'LL GIVE YOU INDIGESTION!! although high in fiber (wood elf, hehe)</p><hr></blockquote></div><div> </div><div>I don't want to seem condensending or superior....But I'd be happy to lend some advise here. </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>But PC's make a much wider variety of poisons and potions, even legendary grade poisons that do greater damage.<a href="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eq2alchemy.com/</a> is a great source for what is available from players, and can tell you its worth the little extra coin that you may spend on PC Poisons. </div><div> </div><div>Good luck to you</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Stigch]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>HollyBaloo wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div>I never got the hang of stacking poisons either. No matter what duo's I use, they always replace eachother. I only use storebought ones though and they are all more or less the same. It's either ascending or declining dmg with a hit percentage. Doesn't do not appear to stack at all. Combining with a debuff could possibly work. What kind of debuf would be good in this case? My fights don't last very long, I don't use magic attack. A snare poison wouldn't work cause by the time the poison procs' I'll have used all my range skills. Only thing that could work would be a mitigation debuff or something.</div><hr></blockquote>Yes I found that too that you stack one and then try to do another it seemed to replace it.....or did it.....but I guess the way to tell if both are being used is to watch your Combat chat window.... it does give a blow by blow fight account i see......so i suppose then its easy to see what poisons are being used...... I think I did notice that ONE was being used... but not sure if at the time I just had one poison activated....oh well... i guess someone may have an answer on here somewhere...... will let you know if I find out....<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Pushing this otherwise informative thread back into a directiong we might tentatively consider as the right one.</p><p>I've seen screenshots with two poison icons in the bar, so the second poison should get it's own icon.  No icon, you replaced the first. I never saw anything but the last one scroll through during combat.</p><p>it would be nice if we could nail down a definite condition for stacking poisons. I just can't seem to get it to work. It would also be nice to get a discussion going on what types of poison are best suited for ranger use, both solo and in groups. Solo I use the high initial dmg poison and I'd like a debuff to go with it. However, solo fighst are so short, a debuff doesn't appear to add any real value. They drop easily enough (around 25 anyway). If I had a debuff spell or skill I probably wouldn't use it either. There's just no point. Magic, fire, water? Why bother? Snare, you have that skill ready to go. If the snare poison would guarantee a proc with the first arrow that hits the target, then it would make some sense. Is there any way to stack even more initial dmg on? Maybe by dropping mitigation or stunning the mob for the duration?</p>

[Bayler_x]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Stigchel wrote:<div></div><p>it would be nice if we could nail down a definite condition for stacking poisons. I just can't seem to get it to work. It would also be nice to get a discussion going on what types of poison are best suited for ranger use, both solo and in groups. Solo I use the high initial dmg poison and I'd like a debuff to go with it. However, solo fighst are so short, a debuff doesn't appear to add any real value. They drop easily enough (around 25 anyway). If I had a debuff spell or skill I probably wouldn't use it either. There's just no point. Magic, fire, water? Why bother? Snare, you have that skill ready to go. If the snare poison would guarantee a proc with the first arrow that hits the target, then it would make some sense. Is there any way to stack even more initial dmg on? Maybe by dropping mitigation or stunning the mob for the duration?</p><hr></blockquote>You can have one of each of the following categories of poison going at the same time:1. damage poison2. resist debuff3. other (stun, stiffle, stat debuff)For rangers, the very-high-dd poisons are pretty much always best.  The poisons are tuned so that they're all equal after exactly 1 tick.  If your poisons, on average, last longer than one tick, you're better off going with a very-high-DoT poison.  If they last shorter than one tick - which is usually the case for us - then you're better off with a very-high-DD poison.Be careful not to rely on "extream" damage poisons, though.  They offer excellent damage, but they only last for four procs.  They're not that useful, in my opinion.I like to use a poison-resist debuff if no other scouts are using one.  If they are, I switch to a heat/cold debuff, because I'm usually grouped with a wizard or two.  Int debuffs could be promising, but I've never collected data to see how effective they are.Stun poisons are great for soloing, or in small groups.  They're too expensive to use all the time though.</span></div>