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01-06-2006, 03:26 PM
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Im a lvl 19 wood elf pred..... with naff all for weapons it seems......the only good weapons you can use only in Stealth but as soon as you hit a target it takes you out of stealth then making all the other stealth weapons useless... and then you have to rely on the array of crappy non stealth weapons which deal out aggression in amounts less than 100..... WHAT am i doing wrong here..... I figured that maybe if i lined up all my stealth weapons and just used them it would keep me in stealth ....but you cant..... as soon as you strike you become unstealthed....or as soon as you are attacked thru your first strike your unstealthed.......and you cant use your ranged stuff because you are on top of your enemy........errm......at a total loss.....and totally disillusioned with Predator....
 and to make matters worse... when you do use non stealthed weapons they take so long for them to recharge.. im stood there defenseless...... and at lvl 19 i just took on three heroic 11 gnolls in antonica and bearly escaped.... dammit... im lvl 19 should have done that easily....my highest unstealthed weapon only deals out 72 ... and thats once in a blue moon......its not like you can say to the enemy " eerrm hey guys do you mind holding a sec while i just "sneak"......"..... WHAT GIVES!!! I know i must be doing something seriously wrong here...... I just cant believe a Pred could be so weak........ ive got a lvl28wiz so im not such a newbie to the game.... all my other characters I can usualy take on two levels above my own.... but god.... this Pred is rediculous...... I cant get any XP from fighting lvl 11 gnolls.....its taking me ages to do anything....PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME HERE!"!!Message Edited by Gorathh on 01-22-200603:58 AM |
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01-06-2006, 03:43 PM
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A few pointers:1) Use a poison, high direct damage is my favourite, there's a shop in south Qeynos that sells it.2) Cheap shot is you best friend, ever, full stop, period, nuff said. Use it, as long as the mobs do not have any up arrows you will stun them for six seconds giving you plenty of time to get behind it and use some stealthed attacks or back off and use your bow(more important later on if you become a Ranger), if they do have any up arrows then you'll get a two second stun which can be enough time to get behind but not much else except backing up and using your bow again.3) A group of three HEROIC mobs are not meant to be solo'd, just because you can with your wizzy doesn't mean you can with other classes, that said at higher levels a Ranger should have no problem with similar encounters.4) Heroic Opportunities, use them, make sure you get Swindlers Luck procced once so it buffs you, then if it comes up again flip the HO wheel to try and get Ringing Blow, if you see Bravo's Dance do everything you're able to finish the HO as it's the rare haste HO
 5) Make sure you are either opening with distance or stealth, anything else and you're asking for trouble.Nul.
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01-06-2006, 03:47 PM
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Level 6 CA called Cheap Shot allows you to stun a mob (duration depending on mob level/heroic), and position yourself for your stealth CA's. Another great tactic, is using a tank... someone to take the damage for you, so you can place yourself behind a mob and do what you are supposed to do, damage. And why are you complaining on taking on 3 heroic mobs and survived ?!
PS: I know you been copy/past'ing this message in a few forums, but at least you could take the time to structure it so we dont get a headache trying to read it. |
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01-06-2006, 03:54 PM
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Thanks eveyrone... will try everything you have siad... although i just tried to buy some poisons from the place in SQ and there is nothing availabe for my level i dont think..... everything is RED .....
but i have gone and upgraded the spells and things i already have as a start.....
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01-06-2006, 05:00 PM
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Once you hit 20 you can buy poison from that shop in SQ, upstairs i think the merchant is. But i was using Acidic or Mordant Goo bought from most merchants in towns or in antonica. Every little helps My basic strategy was to, stealth, open up with Shadow Blade (master from an level upgrade) Does a lot of damage, follow up with either impale or bleed, keep one of these for HO's, then start the HO, like someone else said Swindlers Luck is a nice buff, Bravos Dance even more so, but if you get two Ringing Blows off should be enough to put down similar level mobs, and of course Cheap Shot to let you get behind and whack em with another, from behind or flanking CA. If more than one mob and things start going bad, i have survived a few encounters by using survival instincts.
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01-06-2006, 09:08 PM
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Having just dinged 21 I am suprised to read that you feel this class is not very powerfull. All i can do is echo the sentiments of the previous posters. Personally I didnt think about using cheap shot for the stun, rather than the next step in one of our HO's. When i realised then it opened up more options for me. Another good one is to use the skill that puts you back into stealth then use pounce or shadow blade if you didnt use it as an opener. Poisions can be purchased from any normal merchant and they really do add to the dmg we do. At 19 you can use the basic ones then at 20 you have access to another stronger type. Keep at it it is my advice Message Edited by Kalliath on 01-06-200608:09 AM
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01-06-2006, 11:16 PM
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The Enter key is your friend.
Sorry, I couldn't finish that one, but the responses are right on. If you'd rather just stand still and nuke, I'd switch back to your wizard. Rangers take some practice to play effectively.
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01-06-2006, 11:20 PM
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By the way: It's also considered poor form - and often explicitly against the rules - to "cross post". Cross posting is posting the same message in multiple forums to try to get a larger audience. Just pick the one forum that best matches your subject.
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01-07-2006, 12:29 AM
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I'm surprised to read this post too - I had a blast as a pred. Some things I did - 1 - read the forums and ask (here preferably about ranger stuff - but ask) any questions you might have. 2 - upgrade as many of your CA's (by the way - your 'weapons' are the short sword and dagger you're using, not the icons in your hotbars - you are dual wielding a slashing weapon and a piercing weapon, aren't you?) as possible. Find a scholar or jeweler willing to make App 4's for you. If you happen to come across a rare silver or coral, that can be used to make an Adept 3 - which is much better. 3 - might want to upgrade your weapons to the rare versions - auto-attack doesn't do much, but every little bit helps. 4 - poison. You can use more than one at a time! One damage poison (I use a high direct damage type), and one debuff poison (I use a piercing / magic one - I think). You can buy them in any of the local fringe towns for the lower levels, and in SQ for the higher levels. Note - you can also buy them on the broker, or ask a scholar or an alchemist (or a jeweler or a sage for T2 as well) to make you some. Crafted poisons do more damage!!!! 5 - Technique. This forum is full of techniques that several generations of Rangers have developed. A simple "How do I" post (like this one by the way!) will have them pouring out for you. By the way - I do this... As a pred, first I stealthed. I'd open an attack with Shadow Blade. I'd hit my HO, Hit my Cheap Shot (Adept 3 this one - you'll be using it FOREVER! Even level 60). Move behind the mob again while he's stunned (doesn't work that well in groups, but single mobs are toast) and stealth while doing so. Hit with the other Stealth attack, and then Pierce (to complete HO). If he's still standing, I let the auto-attack do some damage, and then Cheap Shotted him again. Note - very soon (if you haven't already) you'll get a skill (can't remember the name) that allows you to strike from flank (not stealthed) and drops you into stealth when you do it. Using this, it's the same as above, but without Hide. use the CA instead (doing damage AND stealthing) and carry on from there. 6 - If you go ranger, the Bow is your Friend! Pristine Imbued Bone Longbow for T2. Pristine Imbued Fir Longbow for T3! There are quest bows out there that aren't bad too. With my Fir bow, I can have a mob dead before he even reaches me with 2 CA's. If you're carrying a shortbow bought off the merchant, ditch it. All you more experienced Rangers out there - feel free to add to this - still learning myself...
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01-07-2006, 12:39 PM
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I'll echo a lot of things that others have said.Yes, use poisons, they work wonders. Your ranged attacks are fairly limited at the moment, because you're not a full fledged ranger just yet
 Basic strategy for soloing a predator (when I was leveling up) was find a blue con solo mob open with a stealth attack. Start a heroic opportunity. Advance it with cheapshot, run behind it and use a flanking attack. Finish the HO if the flanking attack doesn't. Continue meleeing and chaining HOs. Once you've got swindler's luck up and running, try to flip to Ringing blow for extra damage.Message Edited by Frobus on 01-06-200611:40 PM |
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01-09-2006, 02:18 PM
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Well as you can see Iam pretty new to this game and the also new to rules on a forum... but who really reads the rules.... As far as cross posting goes....I think I put this in total on the Combat Board and also the Class board..... mainly becuase i really didnt know which was the right one to use.... there was no intention to spam the boards for quick answers ..... I just placed it on one board and then wondered if maybe I had placed it in the right place..... as there are ALWAYS people around to tell you you have put it on the wrong forum.....so in this instance I think it would be right to give me a break regarding my confusion.......but thanks for the enlightenment.....
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01-09-2006, 02:22 PM
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Thank you so much everyone..... have new hope for my little ranger... specially Spectralmists techniques... hihi..... also going to try the "ENTER" key... hmmm wonder what that does.....
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01-10-2006, 07:54 PM
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Glad I could help Holly. I'm pretty new to the Ranger business myself, but I've read a lot on these forums, and tried out some of the stuff. Note - I just read a post on procing off weapons that I found really interesting. Currently, I have a couple imbued dual wields and an imbued bow, but they all proc Gleaming Strike. From what I understand, I can get some weapons (and chest and leg armor as well) that will proc off my bow attacks as well. I'll have to look into that. I'm way to low for the Polished Granite Tomahawk Heritage Quest, but it's been in my plan since I read about it. If you didn't quite catch the references to procs - do a search on the forums. From what I understand, procs are a Ranger's VERY BEST FRIEND. Poisons proc, imbued weapons and bows proc, imbued chest armor procs healing (which is nice) while imbued leg armor procs Damage (which is very nice!). How do I get an imbued whatever? I'd search the Tradeskill forum for that. Lots of stuff there.
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01-10-2006, 08:36 PM
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Fantastic..... I have actually got some recipe books in my list which show how to get imbued whatevers....never really been sure as to how effective the imbueds are but will try and make some armour or get one of my other chars to make some armour for me.... see what happens....:smileyhappy:
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01-17-2006, 07:15 PM
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Hmmm well i tried using the ENTER key during combat with a little gnoll and nothing happens....pressed and pressed and pressed enter... totally zip.... so now iam asking what does the ENTER key do and when do you use it....?? 
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01-17-2006, 07:55 PM
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I will bite here What Jay42 was getting at was that your posts are rather hard to read as you don't seem to have the paragraph skill on your hotbar (well I assume that was what he was saying)If your were being ironic in your last post then I humbly apologise
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01-17-2006, 08:43 PM
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I'm actualy crying. Thank you so much.....Anyway, you don't need to cross post, just post with us here. I've just started a thread about how the Rangers forum is the nicest and most helpful by a long way. If we can't help you no one can :smileyhappy:As to the poisen shop in SQ, there are different vendors in the shop depending on your level. Upstairs for people 20-29 iirc.My best piece of advice was already given - a tank is your best friend at this level. If you can get someone to hold agro you can just camp behind the mob and shred them in no time. At higher levels when you get more bow attacks a heller good bow will be your best friend......well, 2nd best after a good alchemist (of which there seem to be NONE on Runnyeye :smileysad:)
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01-17-2006, 09:19 PM
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Yes .. im sorry... english humor.. i was being Pedantic.....and a bit long winded maybe......hihi.......we type like we talk..... if there are dots...... then you stop reading....... take a breath...... and continue when you see the words again.......but i have to admit it made me think for a second......or six.....:smileyvery-happy:
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01-17-2006, 10:58 PM
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LOL, it always sounds to me like you're panting for breath during your posts, like you've just finished running a marathon and need some advice about poisons.
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01-17-2006, 11:27 PM
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01-18-2006, 01:26 AM
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Yeah, I started the Butcherblock.Worldranger channel. You can subscribe by typing /join Butcherblock.Worldranger in your chat window. RE: Poisons...not really sure what you're asking there, but any ranger can help with info, not just the ones on our server. (Speaking of which, what's your toon's name? I don't think I know who you are in-game.)
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01-18-2006, 02:38 PM
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LOL ..... well.... you have to also watch it... these dots are contageous......DoT dots......hihi......just dont speak to me too long and you shall be fine.....:smileywink: .as for panting for breath ...welll... quite possibly.... I usually come fresh from the fight with some query or other.. haha....but just now I can breath a little been as im at work.......and STILL the dots come......I just read below about a ranger channel you started..... would like to look in on that.... Im really fired up with my ranger now... she just hit lvl 20 and I just loaded up with poisons.... and at last managed to get two sharp weapons in each hand.... one piercing and one slashing.... and WOWWWWWWW!!! what a difference.......she dices and splices like a demon.... so went out immediately and slaughtered a few lvl20 bears... and practiced the stun, run behind and then wallop with a stealth slashing thingy.....it takes a while i think to perfect this... but now my ranger is coming into her own league i think......going to max her out with all her spells and arts......I think I even like her better than my main lvl29wiz now........oh ... going to go back and put a paragraph in so you guys can breath easier.. hihi......:smileytongue: |
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01-18-2006, 04:16 PM
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Not seen "hi hi" in a sentence since the 19th century! Good work that man! Huzzah!
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01-18-2006, 04:41 PM
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I have a thing or two to say about poisons. It might just be me, but it seems to me that there's not much use in paying for player made (expensive) poisons. I'm currently still using the generic storebought stuff. I don't even have two active, just the high initial damage (i don't remember it's name because I've only ever bought one and it's still not used up. been with me for a good 10 levels that vial). Mobs drop so fast, no more help appears to be required. That being said, and to recap for all the other preds in trouble: How does a predator (and later on a ranger) work v1.0 1) Your start every battle from stealth, opening with your highest stealth attackn (shadow blade, pounce, that lot) 2) You start your HO right after that. You have several skills to advance the HO and several to finish it. Find what works for you. Bleed is often a favourite 3) Remember you can change your HO's outcome with any skill with a coin Icon. You can swap another swindlers luck for that needed strike. 4) "Stepping in" is the most valuable trick a ranger/pred can learn and must learn. Stepping in is the art of stunning your target so you have time to go stealth and get one of those high dmg skill off. At some point you get skills that drop you into stealth after you do a special dmg move (I'm buggered for a name though). This skill requires you to be flanking (next to) or behind your target, hence the name 'stepping in'. It'll leave you behind your target and in stealth, ready to pounce. Mega dmg. 5) Once you get your bow skills (wounding arrow, backshot and open shot) you should open with those. You're target will be half dead when it gets to you and after you step in it'll be done or very close to it. Stepping in requires you to switch of melee otherwise you break the stun. When you've hit all your ranged attacks, you'r not automatically in melee. You can stun the moment the target get's into range. After you've completed the move you do automatically start Melee. The ranger. It's not so much a profession as it is an art. It's nothign more than ranged attacks, stepping in, finishing of. 20 second fights. Nothing very herioc, but you're a ranger, not a hero.
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01-19-2006, 12:04 AM
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Its Tweetythree for the ranger, and I was hoping for a chat with some of the rangers on world ranger or other tells as needed for some advice but you happen to be the most vocal of the rangers I know here and on our server so you just happen to be the first one that comes to mind here. (Also credit where credit is due here you did set up the worldranger for all of us to use)
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01-19-2006, 02:40 PM
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Would really be grateful if you could remember the name of the poison you use as the ones i am using right now are totally useless.... i cast them and then as soon as they are cast the mob is "recovering" errrrm ....with no effect it seems on their health levels going down....? I have tried Mordant Goo.... Acidic Goo and Acidic Massage.....which seem to be the highest i can get at my level...... Im lvl 20 Ranger and bought a whole load of these three particular poisons and now im seriously thinking of selling them back...... not impressed so far with poison, even though its supposed to be a Rangers best friend..... any advice anyone can give me would be really appreciated......Thanks... |
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01-19-2006, 04:17 PM
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It was a sludge of some type. I think it was crypt sludge, but it also might have been caress of the phantom. Thing is, I threw it away only some days ago to make way for an expensive player made poison that does indeed seems to do bugger all.
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01-19-2006, 04:59 PM
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Lets throw potions into the mix. Never used them at all before, but some alchy had been levelling and was clearing his inv so I - with my bruiser - took some off his hands. Hesus Chrysler did it make a difference!! Don't remember the name but +20 AGI and STR was about the total of it, and that makes a HECK of a difference to a Bruiser! Got about 4 master chests in FG solo
Anyway, we all know about stacking poisens (for Holly you can stack 2 poisens with a diff % chance of proccing, e.g. a 25% and a 15%, plus a stun) but can you then stack a potion on top of that?
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01-20-2006, 06:18 PM
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Ok.. im off on the hunt for both of those things then......Crypt Sludge and Caress of the Phantom....hmm I think I have a recipe for Caress of the Phantom.....
... as for "stacking poisons" errm .... I have to read up more about those... I have no idea what stacking is..... or Procs....... but thank you Stigchel and MentLa.....this is so interesting hearing all what I can now do with my Ranger....Message Edited by HollyBaloo on 01-20-200605:19 AM |
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01-20-2006, 06:46 PM
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Ok, something I can help with here finally. Stacking poisons means you have two slots in your inventory, place a poison in each and before you go out to adventure activate both of them. Drink a potion and you will have all activated and ready to use when you begin attacking stuff. Just remember poisons have a %to hit on them so dont expect them to hit all the time. I dont understand the Proc but it is similar to the poisons in that you have a % chance that when you attack you activate
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