Serious Problems..... Ranger class is not worth playing at lvl 50

[ri]

<DIV>I am a level 50 Ranger in a high content raiding guild that has killed Darathar. In my experiences rangers are a worthless class that had many broken and unbalanced skills.  To start rangers need to use crushing arrows in raids because almost all raid mobs are resistant to piercing or slashing. And to use decent arrows it costs tons of money to keep up in demand because they need to be crafted with the new fuel.  Also the ranger was said to be fixed skill wise in the last big patch? Steady aim was the target to make the bow skill buff 15 mins... good job making tier 3 rangers better because the tier 5 upgrade focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad.  Also the patch notes said longshank would now stealth the ranger? too bad it does not stealth the ranger lol would be nice if you did what you said you would do. Also the bow snare leg shot which says its a 35% slow on a 1:12 duration does not even work so they cant snare either.  The skills are totally unblanaced and/or broken.  There are no master bow drops from raids and what do you know? 50%+ of my attacks are bow so im even more worthless compared to other melee classes that gets weapon upgrades.  The timers vs. the damage on the bow skills especially like the lvl 50 Storm of Arrows is insane.  5 minute recast? on 1 single skill that is not even that good thats just stupid.  Increasing the timers would also just make the ranger use more arrows and waste more money since it is so exspensive to craft with the new Tier 5 fuel.  So in the end the skills need to be balanced and fixed because until they are the ranger is one of the most worthless classes to waste your EQ2 career with as it stands. GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                                                                                               </DIV>

[GoNom]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ritz wrote:<BR> <DIV>I am a level 50 Ranger in a high content raiding guild that has killed Darathar. In my experiences rangers are a worthless class that had many broken and unbalanced skills.  To start rangers need to use crushing arrows in raids because almost all raid mobs are resistant to piercing or slashing. And to use decent arrows it costs tons of money to keep up in demand because they need to be crafted with the new fuel.  Also the ranger was said to be fixed skill wise in the last big patch? Steady aim was the target to make the bow skill buff 15 mins... good job making tier 3 rangers better because the tier 5 upgrade focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad.  Also the patch notes said longshank would now stealth the ranger? too bad it does not stealth the ranger lol would be nice if you did what you said you would do. Also the bow snare leg shot which says its a 35% slow on a 1:12 duration does not even work so they cant snare either.  The skills are totally unblanaced and/or broken.  There are no master bow drops from raids and what do you know? 50%+ of my attacks are bow so im even more worthless compared to other melee classes that gets weapon upgrades.  The timers vs. the damage on the bow skills especially like the lvl 50 Storm of Arrows is insane.  5 minute recast? on 1 single skill that is not even that good thats just stupid.  Increasing the timers would also just make the ranger use more arrows and waste more money since it is so exspensive to craft with the new Tier 5 fuel.  So in the end the skills need to be balanced and fixed because until they are the ranger is one of the most worthless classes to waste your EQ2 career with as it stands. GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                                                                                              </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>And here is yet another uber construction my life is going down the toilet post from a disgruntled level 50 Ranger.  instead of contributing to the ongoing threads about our class balancing issues, come in here and basically call the game designers garbage, then expect to fixed.  In one word.....BRILLIANT!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are about 400 threads in here about the same issues.  The problem is too many people come to the boards for the first time jsut to vent and call the devs pieces of crap, that the quality posts outlining our issues, offer sounds suggestions, other then "FIX IT NOW!!".  Are pushed out of the way, down to the bottom, by these POS posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People, come in here and post with a cool head, and make quality posts outlining your issue.  Just just flame and vent, it has gotten us nowhere to date.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Definition of insanity :</DIV> <DIV>An attempt to accomplish a task in the exact same manner, over and over again..........and expect different results</DIV>

[Araze]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>                                                                                              </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>And here is yet another uber construction my life is going down the toilet post from a disgruntled level 50 Ranger.  instead of contributing to the ongoing threads about our class balancing issues, come in here and basically call the game designers garbage, then expect to fixed.  In one word.....BRILLIANT!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are about 400 threads in here about the same issues.  The problem is too many people come to the boards for the first time jsut to vent and call the devs pieces of crap, that the quality posts outlining our issues, offer sounds suggestions, other then "FIX IT NOW!!".  Are pushed out of the way, down to the bottom, by these POS posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>People, come in here and post with a cool head, and make quality posts outlining your issue.  Just just flame and vent, it has gotten us nowhere to date.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Definition of insanity :</DIV> <DIV>An attempt to accomplish a task in the exact same manner, over and over again..........and expect different results</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>.. says he who is level 34....</P> <P>The game is 5+ months old. </P> <P>Ranger class is broken at end game, and has been for 5 months. "FIX IT NOW!" statements are starting to come now, from alot of patient rangers who have begged, pleaded, whined, complained, etc to fix stuff for the last 3 months. 1 month ago, I decided to give this game 1 more month. Nothing have changed in 1 month.</P> <P>High level Ranger skills are not working, how hard can that be to fix? Most of the skills are upgrades from previous skills, just more damage. This tell me either <STRONG>A)</STRONG> Devs really dont give a flying f, or <STRONG>B)</STRONG> They are incompetent, unable to fix.</P> <P>2 huge patches have now been released, one of them included a skillfix for rangers - but that was just bogus.</P> <P>After 5 years of EQ1 and EQ2, Sony finally triggered my quit-button.  I cancelled yesterday. Goodbye Sony, hello Blizzard!</P> <P> </P> <P>Sony pushed the release of EQ2 so they could crab customers before WoW was released. Now it is starting to backfire - we all ended up in a beta game which worked fine until people started to hit the high levels and discovered all the non-finished content, including HUGE class balancing issues and broken skills. </P> <P>Im glad many in here are still having fun, enjoy the game for what its worth. Anyone want my stuff?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[hieronym]

<DIV>maybe there should be a sticky at the top of the ranger forum to say rangers are crap at 50 so please dont bother posting yet another thread on the subject.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can only imagine the pain in the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] problems you got at 50 but we all know the raiding problems and the DPS problems. Really no need to keep posting the same over and over again is there?</DIV>

[DevlDeg]

Level 50 rangers have invested probly 30+ days played to their characters..I think that in itself gives them a right to come here and voice their opinions.Yes the same issues are brought up in post after post, but unfornutately I see very little acknoledgement from SOE. Sure we had a "community service" person show up and say "I'll forward your list" type thing, but come on...GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK. The cost of DPS is a class breaker folks. There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost. If I would of known this I would not of created the Ranger. And NO I will not spend 30 more days played time leveling up another character....I'm burned out on experiencing. Maybe the only people that are gonna end up playing rangers are the roleplaying Aragorn or Drizzt wannabee roleplayists.

[BuddhaM]

--------------------------------------------The cost of DPS is a class breaker folks. There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost. If I would of known this I would not of created the Ranger. And NO I will not spend 30 more days played time leveling up another character....I'm burned out on experiencing.--------------------------------------------I wonder, if you spend 30 days (I know you mean IN GAME days), how much of that was grinding? I hear a lot of complaining from basically people that rushed, yes I mean rushed, through a content rich game just so they could be the first uber l33t lvl 50 whatever on their server or in their guild, and now [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan that they don't have anything to do. They say that the game is not fun at 50, and that they aren't the statisticaly best person in the world, and blah blah blah. I DO understand and agree that some spell progressions need fixing, and there are some balance issues, especially with cost of "ranger fuel" but please. It's taken me almost 30 in game days, and I am only lvl 28. I have spent a LOT of time doing quests, exploring, enjoying the lag jump era while it lasted and cruising the rooftops, this is not a numbers game of highest DPS wins. Could there be a little more flavor? Sure, and there are CONSTRUCTIVE threads on this topic.Basically, you (general point towards whinny lvl 50 anyones, not the OP) need to to stop and smell the roses, find other things to do, and most of all STOP COMPLAINING SO DAMNED MUCH. If you REALLY think this or that class sux, or is broken, then why did it take you till lvl 50 to figure that out? My guess is you actually like the class, just want things changed, so say that, not that this class blows chunks, and the devs are a pack of inbred monkeys for doing things they way they did etc. If you really hate something, you leave. Bad movie? you leave. Bad restaurant? you leave. Bad romance? you leave. Bad class? Fill in the blank./rant off

[ThePlotThicke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BuddhaMMZ wrote:<BR>--------------------------------------------<BR>I wonder, if you spend 30 days (I know you mean IN GAME days), how much of that was grinding? I hear a lot of complaining from basically people that rushed, yes I mean rushed, through a content rich game just so they could be the first uber l33t lvl 50 whatever on their server or in their guild, and now [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan that they don't have anything to do. They say that the game is not fun at 50, and that they aren't the statisticaly best person in the world, and blah blah blah. <BR>I DO understand and agree that some spell progressions need fixing, and there are some balance issues, especially with cost of "ranger fuel" but please. It's taken me almost 30 in game days, and I am only lvl 28. I have spent a LOT of time doing quests, exploring, enjoying the lag jump era while it lasted and cruising the rooftops, this is not a numbers game of highest DPS wins. Could there be a little more flavor? Sure, and there are CONSTRUCTIVE threads on this topic.<BR>Basically, you (general point towards whinny lvl 50 anyones, not the OP) need to to stop and smell the roses, find other things to do, and most of all STOP COMPLAINING SO DAMNED MUCH. If you REALLY think this or that class sux, or is broken, then why did it take you till lvl 50 to figure that out? My guess is you actually like the class, just want things changed, so say that, not that this class blows chunks, and the devs are a pack of inbred monkeys for doing things they way they did etc. If you really hate something, you leave. Bad movie? you leave. Bad restaurant? you leave. Bad romance? you leave. Bad class? Fill in the blank.<BR><BR><BR>/rant off<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>- He's not complaining that he's got nothing to do, just that he has very little to contribute when it comes to those things.  And just because some people prefer end game raiding over jumping across rooftops doesn't mean they are enjoying the the game any less than you... Playstyle isn't the point of this thread... a broken class is.  Please don't try to derail the topic as it's rather important.. Oh, and if jumping from rooftop to rooftop is your thing, try CoH.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Noone is trying to "win" at DPS... the fact is we have to pay a ton of cash while using broken skills to do dps equal to or less than our pred counterpats.  This isn't right and needs fixing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- It took till lvl 50 because the class isn't broken until 40+... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- If the people who are already there don't complain... you'll have to go through the same thing when you level up.  So instead of telling them to slow down and shut up, thank them for helping to fix your game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tr]

If you really are having such a bad time that you can't even play your class anymore for fun at all, please do us all a favor and quit. Level 50 raiding as a scout has nothing to do with dps in terms of having fun, rangers can still contribute. Sure we're a little unbalanced, but why not suggest ways to fix instead of whining that you wasted your time. Its obvious that the high end game needs some work, but whining is not the way to go about it. The dev's are finally looking into our class now, longshank has nothing to do with the problem now because it is getting fixed for sure this time.If you think you could balance every scout class while still keeping them unique, please go ahead and make your own game. Until then I suggest you play an alt or something if you don't like your class. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

[CyberE]

<DIV>It takes time to realize the ranger class sucks. I never started parsing until lvl 30. And I thought I was fine as well until lvl 35+. Then I thought maybe that's 'cause I'm not using the best arrows. So I waited a few more lvls. Like ThePlotThickens said, all the statements are actually valid.</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Low level rangers would have little idea on how bad the ranger class is at lvl 50. <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=17403" target=_blank><SPAN>BuddhaMMZ</SPAN></A> , all I can say is that if you were in ritz's shoes right now, you'd be [Removed for Content] too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>The ranger class isn't worth playing at lvl 50. You don't win DPS, you contribute. But sadly, that is all you can contribute and at the moment you need to pay for it, and you are still bad at it. Now how do we fix that problem without nerfing other people? you tell me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>GoNomar suggested us to unite together. Maybe it is time to unite together and whine non-stop to the developers until they fix us. Or, you can do what Troz said, stop whining and suggest a plan.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Well, I stopped whining, suggested a plan, and all I got was a 1 star rating. What can I say?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=36019" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=36019</A></DIV> <DIV>Please post some feedback. =)  Thanks. </DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by CyberEva on <span class=date_text>03-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:12 PM</span>

[BuddhaM]

OK, fair enough CyberEva, I don't know what it's like at lvl 50. My frustration is that a hear a lot of complaining, and to be honest, hearing a lot (not all) lvl 50 rangers complaining about how much the class sux is actually depressing me. I stopped reading the forums for about a month cause it started making me feel like I was going nowhere, and that I have nothing to look forward to. To ThePlotThickens, I was not trying to derail anything. I was directly responding mosty to the poster directly above me, whom I quoted in my post, that seems to be saying that he only started a ranger because he wanted high(est) DPS, and it's unfair that someone else is better. I have been reading these forums since day one, and I know the devs haven't been posting here a lot to directly address our concerns, and I can understand a lot of people are disgruntled about that. And for the record, from what I read here I AGREE that after lvl 35ish we start to have a lot of problems, mostly cost and broken skills. I do appreciate the fact that those that have gone before and are in the end game speak up, but with thread titles like:What do rangers bring to the table at level 50 - Nothing -- and can we fix it ?Serious Problems..... Ranger class is not worth playing at lvl 50Werent scouts supposed to be the highest dps in the game?Has a DEV EVER responded in the ranger forum ?leveling a ranger worth it? and my very personal favorite: Rangers? more like pieces of [Removed for Content] with a bow fetish (by the same OP as this thread fyi)I understand that people are ticked, that stuff is broke, that we are more expensive to upkeep that Donald Trump's ex-trophy wives. But I don't think that the lvl 50 folks realize that the way they are saying SOME things is not helping, even if it's meant well. Do you have any idea what it is like to be excited to play the game, be 5 MONTHS into it and (only) be lvl 28 really want to get to 50 and realizing that will probably take another few months, and to hear from those that are already there that it's all a waste of time, nothing is getting fixed, it's not what it's cracked up to be? There HAVE been fixes, and there will inevitably be more. We have utility outside of strick DPS, and no one seems to even think about that. (To that effect, I would propose that rangers, when played well, are the hardiest and hardest to kill DPS in the game. We are tougher that any mage, can kite and still fight, and we can fight effectively at range, and are more versatile in that way that even asassins)Anywhos, be mad, be upset, feel like you are getting the shaft, but stop saying things in a such a negative way such as:"focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad" (what, you only use one skill?)"After 5 years of EQ1 and EQ2, Sony finally triggered my quit-button. I cancelled yesterday. Goodbye Sony, hello Blizzard!" (what, you want my to feel sorry for you? Will that make you feel better?)"There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost.""The ranger class isn't worth playing at lvl 50."

[CyberE]

<P>nodnod. But we are whining so we can get our class fixed. =p the more we whine, the more they know about the situation. </P> <P>The less we whine, the more they will think we are ok. </P> <P> </P>

[Tr]

I disagree, devs respond where people express their problems and offer decent solutions. They responded to our list of bugs with the reasons, not just whining that we aren't balanced.

[DevlDeg]

They responded Troz?  I missed that.  All I saw was a community manager show up and say he'll forward the list.   I have NEVER seen acknoledgement on the cost of our dps or all the high level dps problems.  Sure they have mentioned they are looking into Scout vs. Fighter dps and are supposedly fixing longshank "ver3" for ya. I have this feeling they are spending a huge amount of resourses on alll the Crafting changes to get the economy where they want it so that THEN they will proceed with balancing, but if they don't tell us How do we know? <div></div>

[Salor Ravensworth]

<P>Arrows=Money?...Sorry you didnt know that man from the beginning, that sux..;-(</P> <P> </P> <P>49 Ranger</P> <P>AB</P> <P>Fulgin<Indium</P>

[Artr]

<span><blockquote><hr>DevlDeggs wrote:They responded Troz?  I missed that.  All I saw was a community manager show up and say he'll forward the list.   I have NEVER seen acknoledgement on the cost of our dps or all the high level dps problems.  Sure they have mentioned they are looking into Scout vs. Fighter dps and are supposedly fixing longshank "ver3" for ya. I have this feeling they are spending a huge amount of resourses on alll the Crafting changes to get the economy where they want it so that THEN they will proceed with balancing, but if they don't tell us How do we know? <div></div><hr></blockquote>So wait...that whole thing where they tried to fix a few skills wasn't an acknoledgement?  Odd....</span><div></div>

[Dashofpepp]

<DIV>Since everyone complains about Rangers being useless...I would again contend that it is the PLAYER that is useless, not the class.  Read this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=5917" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=5917</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Retribution - Befallen</DIV>

[DevlDeg]

<div></div>They are fixing Longshank....the THIRD attempt I might add.   This skill has been "Fixed" multiple times starting in February.  I guess if you are happy with that kind of response you will be darn happy with your ranger at high levels.    This skill has been on the "I'll pass the list on to the developers" list for 3 months and today it is not working.   No developer has acknowledged the 1000's of rangers that have spoken up about the cost of DPS..NONE. Dash...your post and the skills you talked about show that you are around lvl 26-28 (im guessing) since you don't mention your level.  Once again this post and many many others that mention our deficiency in contributing to raiding and cost of DPS pertains to ranger 40+.   I was a DAM happy ranger from 20 to 38.. I enjoy playing a ranger.   I believe that the issues that we currently have will be addressed by SOE and I continue to play my ranger.   Will I be here for a year + if they aren't addressed? Who knows.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by DevlDeggs on <span class=date_text>03-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:03 PM</span>

[Dashofpepp]

<DIV>I posted this in another thread here in this ranger forum.  Thought it applied here too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Hmm...I came to Everquest 2 from Lineage 2.  I had a Phantom Ranger (Dark Elf) and a Silver Ranger (Light Elf) there.  The idea of paying for dps has merit if it is applied in such a way to give you an advantage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In L2 for instance, you could "kite" a mob; shoot - run, shoot - run; repeat...until the mob was dead.  The advantage to soloing was obvious; you could kill something without having to go toe to toe with it.  Mages could also kite, but not for as long; Rangers were faster.  Then they made virtually all mobs arrow-resistant and faster than a wind-walked ranger but that's another story...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The point being; Paying for DPS is fine.  I'm ok with paying for dps.  However, the advantage we are supposed to get with that is lacking.  If a fighter class and I of the same level and relative gear stand next to identical mobs and turn on auto-attack --and neither of us use any skills, my mob should die first.  That's the initial flaw; it isn't happening.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The paying for dps idea...poisons and arrows...should not be to bring my dps above fighters, it should be to bring it in par with mages.  Mages do a ton of damage; I can compete if I'm willing to pay for it.  That is what is lacking. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mages don't pay for spell reagents.  They do a lot of damage.  They die fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Scouts pay for arrows and poisons.  They don't do a lot of damage.  They die fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tank don't pay for broken armor/weapons.  They don't do a lot of damage.  They don't die fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone else see the missing link here?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Retribution - Befallen</DIV></DIV></DIV>

[DevlDeg]

Amen Dash. <div></div>

[KetMali]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Troz wrote:<BR>I disagree, devs respond where people express their problems and offer decent solutions. They responded to our list of bugs with the reasons, not just whining that we aren't balanced.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Dude....have you ever read the wizard boards? It was just a huge [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], gripe, flamefest, whining, and anything else you can think of. WHat happened to them? Well im glad you asked Johnnie, well they got a 3500 nuke and 300 dps!!! We have waited patiently w/o the needless rants, gripes, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]es, moans, etc etc. What do we have? Broken skills, low dps, dieing fast ability, and [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ty tanking skills (which im not objecting to). Im sorry, there johnnie, but didnt you say " the devs said the ranger is the fastest class of them all." Well there little johnnie I think you are wrong again. I think the dirge is teh fastest class, they have a trait skill that gives them speed up to the 9 plat horse. Well, whats that johnnie my god your right, im glad I was a ranger then, I get my friendly neighborhood tony the tiger, and for that I am thank full because we are unique the 3 times we have pulled him out in 3 months. </P> <P>Rangers are borked dont try and be the [Removed for Content] saint saying be patient good things will come. That is total bs and you know it. You never get anything done in a SoE game unless you rant, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], and whine about it. This is still a new game and they are doing alot to help fix problems. But it is their JOBS to fix htings and fix them right. They are making a ton of money from us and paying the employees handsomely to do it. When you are making the kind of money they are you DO NOT have to fix a simple spell 3 different [Removed for Content] times. In real life do you hire someone and pay them well, expecting a very profesional job done correctly and then let them fail 3 times and keep trying? I dont think so. My 2c in anyways keep the ranting up and we will have a pet venekor that will attack!!!<BR></P>

[GoNom]

<DIV>Stupid sony boards killed my post........not worth typing again.</DIV><p>Message Edited by GoNomar on <span class=date_text>03-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:29 PM</span>

[DevlDeg]

<div></div>I started a post about the cost of rangers DPS under Races and Player Characters, got 98 responses, and not one SOE response.    Starting to wonder if they  have a "ranger post" filter.   I see devs posting about cartoons, TONS of crafter responses,  brawler and wizard skills, but NOTHING to acknowledge rangers are BROKEN. <div></div><p>Message Edited by DevlDeggs on <span class=date_text>03-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:22 AM</span>

[Teler]

Well, they (Mods) forwarded the list about "General Ranger Issues" to the devs at least...

[DevlDeg]

What I get from the "list" post..... Please forward us the list of skills and spells that we have in the game that are broken or not working.  At this time we have all resources alocated to tradeskills and adventure packs, so we will get to you in approximately mid summer. <div></div>

[GoNom]

<DIV>I changed my mind this is such a tired and boring topic, I'm not feeding into it anymore.  people want to have constructive conversations, I'll jump in.  you wanna flame and call dev idiots, I'm not playing that reindeer game anymore</DIV><p>Message Edited by GoNomar on <span class=date_text>03-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:38 PM</span>

[KetMali]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GoNomar wrote:<BR> <DIV>I changed my mind this is such a tired and boring topic, I'm not feeding into it anymore.  people want to have constructive conversations, I'll jump in.  you wanna flame and call dev idiots, I'm not playing that reindeer game anymore</DIV> <P>Message Edited by GoNomar on <SPAN class=date_text>03-21-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:38 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Im sorry but someone needs to be called an idiot if they get fixing longshanks wrong what 4 times? If its fixed its fixed, if its not its not. This just shows they change things to it  alittle and DO NOT TEST IT. Any [Removed for Content] can tell it doesnt work.

[Cyawcat]

<DIV>It doesn't limit to the ranger, and a lot of players throw out the complaint dissatisf action in the forum. I think this cause is indeed simple. </DIV> <DIV>We players have sent the bug report(or feedback) of broken items, broken spells, broken arts, unbalanced artisans, unbalanced adventures, etc many Many MAny MANy MANY times ahead for months.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, SoE try not to do enough correspondence to these problems, and to make another give priority. (At least, I think so. )<BR>Therefore, everybody(including me) is angry to think that we are disregarded. <BR></DIV> <DIV>SoE are sure to know the problem that we have. If SoE do not know these problems, all reports have thrown in to the garbage box. </DIV> <DIV>I am praying that there was no such an act. <BR> </DIV> <DIV>I think that SoE have made a mistake in the problem of giving priority, and you should stop offering Big Patch for a while, and call a strategy meeting. :smileywink:<BR><BR></DIV><p>Message Edited by Cyawcat on <span class=date_text>03-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:33 AM</span>

[Zeijandi]

Obviouslly the squeaky wheel gets the grease with this Dev team.  If you want Ranger's fixed you have to wail and scream and curse and holler just like the Sorc's did.  If you think that bull [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] pacifisim works with this crew, you're not paying any attention.  Classes that don't complain are regarded as being a largely satisfied community.  If you are unhappy with Rangers, spam these boards with why you are unhappy with Rangers.  Otherwise, take your overpriced, underused and wholly raid ineffective DPS and go solo your 'solo' blue con mobs in quiet ignorant bliss.  I swear, with all this 'be nice good things are coming' horsecrap flying around this forum Rangers are doomed to be always broke, always underequipped, always neglected and always a joke.  FIGHT THE APATHY!  GROW A PAIR! <div></div>

[Sunjaguar]

<P>just posting to increase the numbers and express my support for a fix.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ajacks</P>

[Xran]

<div></div>I really feel for a ranger. I have a ranger friend, his DPS is nothing fancy, not utilities and going broke to pay for DPS. But seriously, going all anger venting does no use. Constructive post is the key. I see 1 "top 5 issue or ranger" and not much else of consolidated ranger bugs and issues. You guys need a glorified community-consolidated posts about Ranger bugs/issues/feedback/suggestion that will eventually garner Dev's attention. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Not to brag, but reality is that we have 2 Blackguard visits already so far! Something like this: <div></div> <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=4618" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=4618</a><p>Message Edited by Xrande on <span class=date_text>03-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:30 PM</span>

[RangerCalis]

<P>I think I have yet to "rant" about the Ranger's issues, so I think I will now, though I won't go overboard.</P> <P>I'm a level 49 Ranger....so close!  While LFG for hours tonight, I tried soloing a blue con solo mob in EF.  Well, needless to say, I couldn't do it.  Why?</P> <P>1. I take too much damage (fighters don't though)</P> <P>2. I don't do squat for frontal/non stealth damage (fighters, mages, and priests maintain their dps from the front)</P> <P>3. I can't heal myself (priest thing of course)</P> <P>Where's <U>our</U> advantage?  Oh, high agility, we won't get hit as mu....wait, they nerfed that, nm.</P> <P>With no utility and our situational, just above average dps, Rangers are a broken and worthless class.  Warlocks/Wizards do more damage, but have utility benefits, why have a ranger in your group/raid?</P> <P>Oh evac?  Any scout can do it, as can druids...hmm.</P> <P>Pathfinding!  Yeah....</P> <P>Tracking?  If it even worked correctly, we can't track any epic or red con mobs!</P> <P>We can scout around and look for things? (I'm really reaching now)  Wait, can't even do that because I can't stealth anymore after the last big patch <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>It didn't use to be an issue back in the 30s.  I could solo constantly and make descent exp, before the solo exp fix even!  But what happened?  Sure, I can start a fight off with a few ranged attacks, some stealth attacks, but then it's over.  Hell, I couldn't use stealth attacks tonight because I couldn't go into stealth mode because of the above mentioned stealth bug.  So while I sat quietly in the corner with my LFG tag on,  I watched a level 44 inquisitor kill mobs that I couldn't get down to 40% without having to  /yell and run from.</P> <P>It definately needs fixing.  My wife plays a Mystic, which is supposedly broken as well, but she kills yellow con solo mobs and green and blue con group mobs solo.  [Removed for Content]?  Yeah sure, we can kite mobs for a half hour with the wonderful delay on our bows to be able to kill the same thing, but then again, I'm not going to pay lots of $$$ for the arrows it'd take for me to do that.</P> <P>Anyhow, the whole ordeal tonight was a fresh slap to the face, so I came here to voice my own opinion as well. As time goes on, it seems to only get worse for us Rangers.  I remember being in the 30s seeing these posts and thinking, "[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is everyone whining about?  Just play the game and [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]".  Now I know first hand, and I realize how serious the problem really is.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by RangerCalis on <span class=date_text>03-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 PM</span>

[sjaste]

Ok as everyone might of noticed after the latest patch a lot of things have gotten worce before I could use both survifal instincts and avoid (out parry and defence skill upgrades) when I had agro now I can only use 1 (but can't complain probably how it was ment to be) and sneak is now broken after 1 use in a zone. Also I noticed that out of all the scout boards Rangers have the most posts and are over 6495 now and still not fixed. Even though the wizard board is now at 9198 I doubt that they were nearly as high as us before they got fixed. Right now I am a lvl 38 ranger and know that we are not the only class broken, for instance a fury friend of mine constistently gets agro healing and her heals are not nearly as good as any other healer class which just goes to show that we are not the only broken class so hang in there it's still new and everything new needs inproving.

[Jay]

<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm with Nomar, this is the same conversation we have week after week, just a different title at the top of the thread. I don't really buy the "whining = Dev attention" mentality; I think they're more likely to help us if we make it easier for them and if we're not crying like spoiled children. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Also more than a bit tired of the repeated implication that we pre-50 rangers are somehow clueless and have nothing to contribute. We know our class well by 30. We may not have experienced the same end-game content nor have directly encountered the skills that you 45-50 folks are referring to, but we know full well the situation that you're in and that we will eventually be in. Nobody is disagreeing that our class has serious problems, no one is saying you're wrong about our issues in later levels. But the more you 50s discourage the younger rangers, the less attention you're going to get from SOE. You drive more and more people away from the class. We're all on the same team here, we're all rangers, we should really be working together. Count me in on any constructive, useful discussions; the rant / b!tch threads are just too repetitive and pointless nowadays.</FONT></DIV>

[RangerCalis]

<FONT size=2>I'm not attacking you in the least bit, so please, don't get that impression.<BR><BR></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2></FONT> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>I don't really buy the "whining = Dev attention" mentality; I think they're more likely to help us if we make it easier for them and if we're not crying like spoiled children. </FONT></DIV> <P></P> <HR> <P></P> <P>Historically with SOE, issues such as these are more likely to get fixed when  those who are affected by it shout/cry/whine/scream loud about it over and over and in mass quantities.  One voice asking nicely gets no attention, but when SOE sees that a very large part of the community is not just displeased, but down right angry about it, it tends to get fixed.  I say keep up the good work with the whining, but as Jay42 wrote, we should keep it constructive.  Just calling SOE a bunch of "A" holes isn't going to get us anywhere. I myself would tell them what led me to believe they are a bunch of "A" holes instead, but that's my own opinion.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>Also more than a bit tired of the repeated implication that we pre-50 rangers are somehow clueless and have nothing to contribute. We know our class well by 30. We may not have experienced the same end-game content nor have directly encountered the skills that you 45-50 folks are referring to, but we know full well the situation that you're in and that we will eventually be in. </FONT><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Refer to my prior post, where I felt the same way you did when I was in the 30s.  Until you've experienced it, you have no idea of the frustration that is felt by the 45+ Ranger community.  Nobody is saying you don't know your class well, we're just saying you have yet to experience the problem first hand.  Naturally, the high end Rangers are going to take offense to a lower level Ranger lecturing to them about whininig.  Which brings me to my next point:</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT size=2>We're all on the same team here, we're all rangers, we should really be working together. Count me in on any constructive, useful discussions; the rant / b!tch threads are just too repetitive and pointless nowadays.</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You're just asking for /flame from the high end Rangers in your post, but suggest being a team.  So lets not attack our own team, and not attempt to dictate how any one person should go about trying to have their voice heard.  We all pay for the game, so to each their own.</P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>Still waiting on a SOE rep to respond to one of these "broken ranger" posts.  Post a link if you've seen an informitive reply please.</STRONG></FONT></P> <P>Ranger Calis Silentscream<BR>Co-Guild Leader of Delusions of Grandeur, Guk Server</P></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2></FONT></P> <HR> RangerCalis wrote: <P><FONT size=2>Refer to my prior post, where I felt the same way you did when I was in the 30s.  Until you've experienced it, you have no idea of the frustration that is felt by the 45+ Ranger community.  Nobody is saying you don't know your class well, we're just saying you have yet to experience the problem first hand.  Naturally, the high end Rangers are going to take offense to a lower level Ranger lecturing to them about whininig.  </FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT size=2>Certainly didn't mean to come off like I was lecturing anyone - take it as an observation. And you're right, the part about us working together b/c we're on the same "team" is just silly, I don't know what I was thinking. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Jay42 on <span class=date_text>03-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:09 PM</span>

[RangerCalis]

<DIV>Jay man, not saying we shouldn't be team players...think you misinterpreted that.  I think we should all stick together on this, most definately.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Calis</DIV>

[Tarryn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ritz wrote:<BR> <DIV> GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live.</DIV> <DIV><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>While I don't really have anything to contribute to the thread, since I'd play a ranger no matter how broken and useless they might or might not be, I do have one question:</P> <P>When the heck did they get rangers "right" in EQlive?  My EQ2 ranger, broken as he may be, is still a dang sight better--and a ton more fun--than my EQ1 ranger ever was, even (or perhaps especially) in the endgame. <BR></P>

[JFerl]

<DIV>Simply put things need to be fixed, and not just for rangers there are a lot of BASIC things that seems to be overlooked. I don't know why the devs do this but it seems that every patch they just try to feed us some new AMAZING or exciting instanced zone, or try to add something we don't really need just to get our minds off of the fact that they haven't fixed the soul of the game, the classes. I can't understand why simple things like skills cannot be fixed. ( I will reference rangers because I am one, but I know others who have had problems as well. For instance everyone knows that many high-end ranger skills lack in functunality or don't remain active for the promised amount of time. I.e. The Steady Aim series it seems that they let steady aim last for 15 but the otehr two are 36secs.) This is ridicoulous how can a class that is designed to be masters of the bow not have a working or even feasible archery buff. Basically this means for 36 secs my bow is a little better than the fighter who is tanking for me, personally I think that is BS. Sorry I am ranting, but I have one thing to say to the devs (who do a great job nonetheless) STOP adding new content and fix the old stuff, I don't know many companies or anything that continues to add new things when the old ones are broken. </DIV>

[Zeijandi]

<span><blockquote><hr>JFerlin wrote:<div>I don't know many companies or anything that continues to add new things when the old ones are broken.    </div><hr></blockquote> For about a dozen examples of why this is absurdly naieve I would like to direct your attention to Everquest Live.  Things get broke, they aren't fixed and more expansions come out breaking more things.  Not to take away from the things that do get fixed, but alot of classes are left dangling in the wind in EQL while something as highly unanticipated as GoD or whatver come out.  This is the same company... ...but not the same dev team.  Sadly, I think that while they may be doing good work, their communication is seeming to fall way short with us.  Would be nice to get some confidence that Ranger issues are being addressed.  I lost some confidence in the Dev team when the stealth bug was allowed to remain on live servers for a week.  That did not help their case at all..</span><div></div>

[CyahLaytar]

<P>I know I'm probably going to get ripped on this.....but I am SOOO tired of hearing how HORRIBLE this game is or the ranger class.  I KNOW we have some problems and things need to be fixed, but if everything was as bad as some people say, NO ONE would play the game.  I'm just asking for folks to think about what they are saying. </P> <P>People who come read these posts have often gotten very discouraged or jaded about the game/character, often from just the things people have posted.  I still love EQ2 and the ranger class.  Yes there are problems, YES there are bugs, but I really hate hearing how "Worthless" or "Impossible" EQ2 and rangers are.  If it is really that horrible for you....STOP PLAYING the class.  That above all will get quicker attention than coming in here and just moaning and over dramitizing the problems.</P> <P>Please, I'm asking because I often get embarressed to be associated with rangers sometimes when I read people's posts.  MANY people think/believe that rangers are just whiners and moaners because we don't have everything.  I know that isn't true, I know we have issues, but we will get NO respect if we don't offer our objections in a rational and TRUTHFUL manner.</P> <P>Just my opinion, and my plee.  I know it won't stop anything, but I hope it makes you think.</P>

[Jay]

<DIV><FONT size=2>Hehe...good on you for speaking your mind, Cyah. I happen to have this asbetos flame-retardant suit handy; perhaps you'd like to borrow it for a few days? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I do agree, I've said the same thing and gotten yelled at as expected. We all need to keep in mind that all of us are only human. I can understand being extremely discouraged and frustrated at later levels when all your hard work and time seems to have left you with a character who's permanently crippled, for reasons outside your control. I myself am hoping that things improve before I get there, but it's only about 10 levels away for me, now. I'm torn - he's my main, and </FONT><FONT size=2>I'll tell ya, I am <EM>loving</EM> my ranger right now - so I do want to continue to advance, but I'm in no hurry to level myself into irrelevence, ya know?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>But wow, am I having fun now. Between my baby Stormfire, my new Irrepressible Vexation (thanks Quiggly!), opening up EL and Zek, dinging 30 and getting some nice new gear, and the increased arrow damage from the patch...things are good. Really good. So I'm gonna enjoy it while it lasts. Pretty much what most of us need to do in life, huh? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV>

[Zeijandi]

If its embarassing for you to come to the forums and read people posting their concerns for the class, may I suggest you go elsewhere?  It is only your opinion that speaking about problems with the Ranger class constitutes 'whining'.  There are several excellent posts within the Ranger forum alone suggesting issues with the class from people who aren't level 30, but have been level 50 for a month or 2.  I am a 42 ranger and can tell you with all seriousness we have to pay too much for our DPS which is NOT fair, and we are unable to solo white-con solo mobs with average gear most of the time, unlike almost any other class.  I have yet to experience the pain of being ineffectual on a level 54^^^^ raid mob, but I can tell you I certainly don't look forward to the 'end game' content because of what other posters have said. Regardless, I am still xping within my vitality and not allowing it to linger at 100%, but this is completely done while grouped (happily preferable).  I don't think coming to the ranger boards, identifying yourselves as rangers and than speaking about how ashamed you are of the way rangers behave should and will win you points here.  To me it comes off as a bit snobbish.  If you're happy, do you need to qualify that happiness while belittling the concerns of others?  If you do, why? <div></div>

[Ijiamee]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RangerCalis wrote: <P>Anyhow, the whole ordeal tonight was a fresh slap to the face, so I came here to voice my own opinion as well. As time goes on, it seems to only get worse for us Rangers. <FONT color=#ff3300> I remember being in the 30s seeing these posts and thinking, "[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is everyone whining about?  Just play the game and [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]".  Now I know first hand, and I realize how serious the problem really is.<BR></FONT></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Exactly.<BR></DIV>

[GoNom]

<DIV>No body disputes the seriousness of it, just the approach to get attention to it.  When your at work and someone calls you a [Removed for Content], how inclined are you to address that persons needs?  Personally I take that persons issue and bury it, untill I see a better attitude.  Thats the point I was trying to make earlier in the post.</DIV>

[CyahLaytar]

<P>Agreed GoNomar,  All I was saying was, try to be a bit more "Adult" about how we discuss the issues,  and not just attack everyone and everything.</P> <P> </P> <P>Additionally, I personally resent the idea that everytime someone isn't level 50, someone feels that they can slam that player and basically use their level to  try to negate the person, as if not being level 50 means you have no right to have opinions or too ignorant to know what the issues are (I do and can read the posts on these forums).  This is another indication of the lack of proper attitude that GoNomar was aluding to, as what I was also indicating in my post.</P> <P>If all you do is insult people, including the people who would normally be on your side, all you do is loose all credibility and NO ONE will listen to what you have to say.</P> <P> </P>

[Jay]

<P><FONT size=2>It's too bad that we keep coming back to this issue and just run around in the same circles. The post-40 crowd knows what they're talking about, the problems <STRONG>are</STRONG> serious, and not all feedback about those problems is whining. Yes. The pre-40 crowd are not traitors, nor disloyal, nor belitting anyone's concerns. I shouldn't speak for anyone but myself, but I think some of us in the 20s and 30s are just weary of the methodology used to voice those concerns. That's really the only issue here. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Unfortunate that we spend more time fighting with each other than we do actively working together to get those issues resolved. But again, we're only human, and we're all playing our parts admirably. I've done my bit, now I just need a 50th level ranger to tell me that I'm stupid and some anonymous coward to 1-star this post. Aaaannnnnd...ACTION! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></P>

[Kirrah]

<P>If you recall, Rangers were a joke in EQ1 for the longest time.  I know this, I played for 4 years.  Anyone remember a little AA called AM3?! After that they were a dps GOD.  Just hang in there things will get balanced...If it makes you any better I play a swashbuckler and we have just as many posts about ...our dps sucks! Im quitting because I hit 50 and we suck...blah blah blah....have faith fellow scouts - our day will come.  Think about how many class balancing changes took place over the first 4 years of EQ1</P> <P>Wiggles Rumpshaker</P> <P>Swashbuckler: Oggok server</P>

[Tarryn]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kirrah wrote:<BR> <P>... After that they were a dps GOD. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>And then it was decided that rangers being ranged dps gods didn't fit the "vision" of rangers.  So, archery ceased to get upgraded, no better bows were added, and the epic 2.0 was changed from a bow to a blade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>... <EM>Exeunt </EM>me and many others, stage left.<BR></DIV>

[Kirrah]

Ahh, that I did not know....i quit about 6 months after the GoD expansion came out. <div></div>

[Randall-Rain]

We have to keep whinning like the wizards did, they'll hear us one day. I think that rangers (and on certain points scouts) have been messed up from the beginning. Like the agility. I think it should define more than just the power pool. It should define also the damages. Some will find perfectly normal that strength define the damages, for a fighter i agree, but for a ranger/scout it should be the agility. If you're more agile, you are more accurate when you hit so you inflict more damages.... just my 2cp. <div></div>