Serious Problems..... Ranger class is not worth playing at lvl 50

ri · 03-17-2005, 06:55 AM

I am a level 50 Ranger in a high content raiding guild that has killed Darathar. In my experiences rangers are a worthless class that had many broken and unbalanced skills. To start rangers need to use crushing arrows in raids because almost all raid mobs are resistant to piercing or slashing. And to use decent arrows it costs tons of money to keep up in demand because they need to be crafted with the new fuel. Also the ranger was said to be fixed skill wise in the last big patch? Steady aim was the target to make the bow skill buff 15 mins... good job making tier 3 rangers better because the tier 5 upgrade focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad. Also the patch notes said longshank would now stealth the ranger? too bad it does not stealth the ranger lol would be nice if you did what you said you would do. Also the bow snare leg shot which says its a 35% slow on a 1:12 duration does not even work so they cant snare either. The skills are totally unblanaced and/or broken. There are no master bow drops from raids and what do you know? 50%+ of my attacks are bow so im even more worthless compared to other melee classes that gets weapon upgrades. The timers vs. the damage on the bow skills especially like the lvl 50 Storm of Arrows is insane. 5 minute recast? on 1 single skill that is not even that good thats just stupid. Increasing the timers would also just make the ranger use more arrows and waste more money since it is so exspensive to craft with the new Tier 5 fuel. So in the end the skills need to be balanced and fixed because until they are the ranger is one of the most worthless classes to waste your EQ2 career with as it stands. GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live.

GoNom · 03-17-2005, 10:01 AM

ritz wrote:

I am a level 50 Ranger in a high content raiding guild that has killed Darathar. In my experiences rangers are a worthless class that had many broken and unbalanced skills. To start rangers need to use crushing arrows in raids because almost all raid mobs are resistant to piercing or slashing. And to use decent arrows it costs tons of money to keep up in demand because they need to be crafted with the new fuel. Also the ranger was said to be fixed skill wise in the last big patch? Steady aim was the target to make the bow skill buff 15 mins... good job making tier 3 rangers better because the tier 5 upgrade focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad. Also the patch notes said longshank would now stealth the ranger? too bad it does not stealth the ranger lol would be nice if you did what you said you would do. Also the bow snare leg shot which says its a 35% slow on a 1:12 duration does not even work so they cant snare either. The skills are totally unblanaced and/or broken. There are no master bow drops from raids and what do you know? 50%+ of my attacks are bow so im even more worthless compared to other melee classes that gets weapon upgrades. The timers vs. the damage on the bow skills especially like the lvl 50 Storm of Arrows is insane. 5 minute recast? on 1 single skill that is not even that good thats just stupid. Increasing the timers would also just make the ranger use more arrows and waste more money since it is so exspensive to craft with the new Tier 5 fuel. So in the end the skills need to be balanced and fixed because until they are the ranger is one of the most worthless classes to waste your EQ2 career with as it stands. GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live.

And here is yet another uber construction my life is going down the toilet post from a disgruntled level 50 Ranger. instead of contributing to the ongoing threads about our class balancing issues, come in here and basically call the game designers garbage, then expect to fixed. In one word.....BRILLIANT!!!

There are about 400 threads in here about the same issues. The problem is too many people come to the boards for the first time jsut to vent and call the devs pieces of crap, that the quality posts outlining our issues, offer sounds suggestions, other then "FIX IT NOW!!". Are pushed out of the way, down to the bottom, by these POS posts.

People, come in here and post with a cool head, and make quality posts outlining your issue. Just just flame and vent, it has gotten us nowhere to date.

Definition of insanity :

An attempt to accomplish a task in the exact same manner, over and over again..........and expect different results

Araze · 03-17-2005, 03:21 PM

And here is yet another uber construction my life is going down the toilet post from a disgruntled level 50 Ranger. instead of contributing to the ongoing threads about our class balancing issues, come in here and basically call the game designers garbage, then expect to fixed. In one word.....BRILLIANT!!!

There are about 400 threads in here about the same issues. The problem is too many people come to the boards for the first time jsut to vent and call the devs pieces of crap, that the quality posts outlining our issues, offer sounds suggestions, other then "FIX IT NOW!!". Are pushed out of the way, down to the bottom, by these POS posts.

People, come in here and post with a cool head, and make quality posts outlining your issue. Just just flame and vent, it has gotten us nowhere to date.

Definition of insanity :

An attempt to accomplish a task in the exact same manner, over and over again..........and expect different results

.. says he who is level 34....

The game is 5+ months old.

Ranger class is broken at end game, and has been for 5 months. "FIX IT NOW!" statements are starting to come now, from alot of patient rangers who have begged, pleaded, whined, complained, etc to fix stuff for the last 3 months. 1 month ago, I decided to give this game 1 more month. Nothing have changed in 1 month.

High level Ranger skills are not working, how hard can that be to fix? Most of the skills are upgrades from previous skills, just more damage. This tell me either A) Devs really dont give a flying f, or B) They are incompetent, unable to fix.

2 huge patches have now been released, one of them included a skillfix for rangers - but that was just bogus.

After 5 years of EQ1 and EQ2, Sony finally triggered my quit-button. I cancelled yesterday. Goodbye Sony, hello Blizzard!

Sony pushed the release of EQ2 so they could crab customers before WoW was released. Now it is starting to backfire - we all ended up in a beta game which worked fine until people started to hit the high levels and discovered all the non-finished content, including HUGE class balancing issues and broken skills.

Im glad many in here are still having fun, enjoy the game for what its worth. Anyone want my stuff?

hieronym · 03-17-2005, 06:11 PM

maybe there should be a sticky at the top of the ranger forum to say rangers are crap at 50 so please dont bother posting yet another thread on the subject.

I can only imagine the pain in the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] problems you got at 50 but we all know the raiding problems and the DPS problems. Really no need to keep posting the same over and over again is there?

DevlDeg · 03-17-2005, 08:05 PM

Level 50 rangers have invested probly 30+ days played to their characters..I think that in itself gives them a right to come here and voice their opinions.Yes the same issues are brought up in post after post, but unfornutately I see very little acknoledgement from SOE. Sure we had a "community service" person show up and say "I'll forward your list" type thing, but come on...GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK. The cost of DPS is a class breaker folks. There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost. If I would of known this I would not of created the Ranger. And NO I will not spend 30 more days played time leveling up another character....I'm burned out on experiencing. Maybe the only people that are gonna end up playing rangers are the roleplaying Aragorn or Drizzt wannabee roleplayists.

BuddhaM · 03-17-2005, 11:27 PM

--------------------------------------------The cost of DPS is a class breaker folks. There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost. If I would of known this I would not of created the Ranger. And NO I will not spend 30 more days played time leveling up another character....I'm burned out on experiencing.--------------------------------------------I wonder, if you spend 30 days (I know you mean IN GAME days), how much of that was grinding? I hear a lot of complaining from basically people that rushed, yes I mean rushed, through a content rich game just so they could be the first uber l33t lvl 50 whatever on their server or in their guild, and now [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan that they don't have anything to do. They say that the game is not fun at 50, and that they aren't the statisticaly best person in the world, and blah blah blah. I DO understand and agree that some spell progressions need fixing, and there are some balance issues, especially with cost of "ranger fuel" but please. It's taken me almost 30 in game days, and I am only lvl 28. I have spent a LOT of time doing quests, exploring, enjoying the lag jump era while it lasted and cruising the rooftops, this is not a numbers game of highest DPS wins. Could there be a little more flavor? Sure, and there are CONSTRUCTIVE threads on this topic.Basically, you (general point towards whinny lvl 50 anyones, not the OP) need to to stop and smell the roses, find other things to do, and most of all STOP COMPLAINING SO DAMNED MUCH. If you REALLY think this or that class sux, or is broken, then why did it take you till lvl 50 to figure that out? My guess is you actually like the class, just want things changed, so say that, not that this class blows chunks, and the devs are a pack of inbred monkeys for doing things they way they did etc. If you really hate something, you leave. Bad movie? you leave. Bad restaurant? you leave. Bad romance? you leave. Bad class? Fill in the blank./rant off

ThePlotThicke · 03-18-2005, 12:18 AM

BuddhaMMZ wrote:
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I wonder, if you spend 30 days (I know you mean IN GAME days), how much of that was grinding? I hear a lot of complaining from basically people that rushed, yes I mean rushed, through a content rich game just so they could be the first uber l33t lvl 50 whatever on their server or in their guild, and now [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan that they don't have anything to do. They say that the game is not fun at 50, and that they aren't the statisticaly best person in the world, and blah blah blah.
I DO understand and agree that some spell progressions need fixing, and there are some balance issues, especially with cost of "ranger fuel" but please. It's taken me almost 30 in game days, and I am only lvl 28. I have spent a LOT of time doing quests, exploring, enjoying the lag jump era while it lasted and cruising the rooftops, this is not a numbers game of highest DPS wins. Could there be a little more flavor? Sure, and there are CONSTRUCTIVE threads on this topic.
Basically, you (general point towards whinny lvl 50 anyones, not the OP) need to to stop and smell the roses, find other things to do, and most of all STOP COMPLAINING SO DAMNED MUCH. If you REALLY think this or that class sux, or is broken, then why did it take you till lvl 50 to figure that out? My guess is you actually like the class, just want things changed, so say that, not that this class blows chunks, and the devs are a pack of inbred monkeys for doing things they way they did etc. If you really hate something, you leave. Bad movie? you leave. Bad restaurant? you leave. Bad romance? you leave. Bad class? Fill in the blank.

/rant off

- He's not complaining that he's got nothing to do, just that he has very little to contribute when it comes to those things. And just because some people prefer end game raiding over jumping across rooftops doesn't mean they are enjoying the the game any less than you... Playstyle isn't the point of this thread... a broken class is. Please don't try to derail the topic as it's rather important.. Oh, and if jumping from rooftop to rooftop is your thing, try CoH.

- Noone is trying to "win" at DPS... the fact is we have to pay a ton of cash while using broken skills to do dps equal to or less than our pred counterpats. This isn't right and needs fixing...

- It took till lvl 50 because the class isn't broken until 40+...

- If the people who are already there don't complain... you'll have to go through the same thing when you level up. So instead of telling them to slow down and shut up, thank them for helping to fix your game.

Tr · 03-18-2005, 01:07 AM

If you really are having such a bad time that you can't even play your class anymore for fun at all, please do us all a favor and quit. Level 50 raiding as a scout has nothing to do with dps in terms of having fun, rangers can still contribute. Sure we're a little unbalanced, but why not suggest ways to fix instead of whining that you wasted your time. Its obvious that the high end game needs some work, but whining is not the way to go about it. The dev's are finally looking into our class now, longshank has nothing to do with the problem now because it is getting fixed for sure this time.If you think you could balance every scout class while still keeping them unique, please go ahead and make your own game. Until then I suggest you play an alt or something if you don't like your class. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

CyberE · 03-18-2005, 05:00 AM

It takes time to realize the ranger class sucks. I never started parsing until lvl 30. And I thought I was fine as well until lvl 35+. Then I thought maybe that's 'cause I'm not using the best arrows. So I waited a few more lvls. Like ThePlotThickens said, all the statements are actually valid.

Low level rangers would have little idea on how bad the ranger class is at lvl 50. BuddhaMMZ , all I can say is that if you were in ritz's shoes right now, you'd be [Removed for Content] too.

The ranger class isn't worth playing at lvl 50. You don't win DPS, you contribute. But sadly, that is all you can contribute and at the moment you need to pay for it, and you are still bad at it. Now how do we fix that problem without nerfing other people? you tell me.

GoNomar suggested us to unite together. Maybe it is time to unite together and whine non-stop to the developers until they fix us. Or, you can do what Troz said, stop whining and suggest a plan.

Well, I stopped whining, suggested a plan, and all I got was a 1 star rating. What can I say?

Anyway

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=36019

Please post some feedback. =) Thanks.

Message Edited by CyberEva on 03-17-2005 05:12 PM

BuddhaM · 03-18-2005, 07:09 AM

OK, fair enough CyberEva, I don't know what it's like at lvl 50. My frustration is that a hear a lot of complaining, and to be honest, hearing a lot (not all) lvl 50 rangers complaining about how much the class sux is actually depressing me. I stopped reading the forums for about a month cause it started making me feel like I was going nowhere, and that I have nothing to look forward to. To ThePlotThickens, I was not trying to derail anything. I was directly responding mosty to the poster directly above me, whom I quoted in my post, that seems to be saying that he only started a ranger because he wanted high(est) DPS, and it's unfair that someone else is better. I have been reading these forums since day one, and I know the devs haven't been posting here a lot to directly address our concerns, and I can understand a lot of people are disgruntled about that. And for the record, from what I read here I AGREE that after lvl 35ish we start to have a lot of problems, mostly cost and broken skills. I do appreciate the fact that those that have gone before and are in the end game speak up, but with thread titles like:What do rangers bring to the table at level 50 - Nothing -- and can we fix it ?Serious Problems..... Ranger class is not worth playing at lvl 50Werent scouts supposed to be the highest dps in the game?Has a DEV EVER responded in the ranger forum ?leveling a ranger worth it? and my very personal favorite: Rangers? more like pieces of [Removed for Content] with a bow fetish (by the same OP as this thread fyi)I understand that people are ticked, that stuff is broke, that we are more expensive to upkeep that Donald Trump's ex-trophy wives. But I don't think that the lvl 50 folks realize that the way they are saying SOME things is not helping, even if it's meant well. Do you have any idea what it is like to be excited to play the game, be 5 MONTHS into it and (only) be lvl 28 really want to get to 50 and realizing that will probably take another few months, and to hear from those that are already there that it's all a waste of time, nothing is getting fixed, it's not what it's cracked up to be? There HAVE been fixes, and there will inevitably be more. We have utility outside of strick DPS, and no one seems to even think about that. (To that effect, I would propose that rangers, when played well, are the hardiest and hardest to kill DPS in the game. We are tougher that any mage, can kite and still fight, and we can fight effectively at range, and are more versatile in that way that even asassins)Anywhos, be mad, be upset, feel like you are getting the shaft, but stop saying things in a such a negative way such as:"focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad" (what, you only use one skill?)"After 5 years of EQ1 and EQ2, Sony finally triggered my quit-button. I cancelled yesterday. Goodbye Sony, hello Blizzard!" (what, you want my to feel sorry for you? Will that make you feel better?)"There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost.""The ranger class isn't worth playing at lvl 50."

CyberE · 03-18-2005, 07:24 AM

nodnod. But we are whining so we can get our class fixed. =p the more we whine, the more they know about the situation.

The less we whine, the more they will think we are ok.

Tr · 03-18-2005, 09:01 AM

I disagree, devs respond where people express their problems and offer decent solutions. They responded to our list of bugs with the reasons, not just whining that we aren't balanced.

DevlDeg · 03-18-2005, 07:57 PM

They responded Troz? I missed that. All I saw was a community manager show up and say he'll forward the list. I have NEVER seen acknoledgement on the cost of our dps or all the high level dps problems. Sure they have mentioned they are looking into Scout vs. Fighter dps and are supposedly fixing longshank "ver3" for ya. I have this feeling they are spending a huge amount of resourses on alll the Crafting changes to get the economy where they want it so that THEN they will proceed with balancing, but if they don't tell us How do we know?

Salor Ravensworth · 03-18-2005, 08:42 PM

Arrows=Money?...Sorry you didnt know that man from the beginning, that sux..;-(

49 Ranger

AB

Fulgin

Artr · 03-18-2005, 09:56 PM

DevlDeggs wrote:They responded Troz? I missed that. All I saw was a community manager show up and say he'll forward the list. I have NEVER seen acknoledgement on the cost of our dps or all the high level dps problems. Sure they have mentioned they are looking into Scout vs. Fighter dps and are supposedly fixing longshank "ver3" for ya. I have this feeling they are spending a huge amount of resourses on alll the Crafting changes to get the economy where they want it so that THEN they will proceed with balancing, but if they don't tell us How do we know?

So wait...that whole thing where they tried to fix a few skills wasn't an acknoledgement? Odd....

Dashofpepp · 03-18-2005, 11:50 PM

Since everyone complains about Rangers being useless...I would again contend that it is the PLAYER that is useless, not the class. Read this.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=5917

Retribution - Befallen

DevlDeg · 03-18-2005, 11:52 PM

They are fixing Longshank....the THIRD attempt I might add. This skill has been "Fixed" multiple times starting in February. I guess if you are happy with that kind of response you will be darn happy with your ranger at high levels. This skill has been on the "I'll pass the list on to the developers" list for 3 months and today it is not working. No developer has acknowledged the 1000's of rangers that have spoken up about the cost of DPS..NONE. Dash...your post and the skills you talked about show that you are around lvl 26-28 (im guessing) since you don't mention your level. Once again this post and many many others that mention our deficiency in contributing to raiding and cost of DPS pertains to ranger 40+. I was a DAM happy ranger from 20 to 38.. I enjoy playing a ranger. I believe that the issues that we currently have will be addressed by SOE and I continue to play my ranger. Will I be here for a year + if they aren't addressed? Who knows.

Message Edited by DevlDeggs on 03-18-2005 02:03 PM

Dashofpepp · 03-18-2005, 11:56 PM

I posted this in another thread here in this ranger forum. Thought it applied here too.

Hmm...I came to Everquest 2 from Lineage 2. I had a Phantom Ranger (Dark Elf) and a Silver Ranger (Light Elf) there. The idea of paying for dps has merit if it is applied in such a way to give you an advantage.

In L2 for instance, you could "kite" a mob; shoot - run, shoot - run; repeat...until the mob was dead. The advantage to soloing was obvious; you could kill something without having to go toe to toe with it. Mages could also kite, but not for as long; Rangers were faster. Then they made virtually all mobs arrow-resistant and faster than a wind-walked ranger but that's another story...

The point being; Paying for DPS is fine. I'm ok with paying for dps. However, the advantage we are supposed to get with that is lacking. If a fighter class and I of the same level and relative gear stand next to identical mobs and turn on auto-attack --and neither of us use any skills, my mob should die first. That's the initial flaw; it isn't happening.

The paying for dps idea...poisons and arrows...should not be to bring my dps above fighters, it should be to bring it in par with mages. Mages do a ton of damage; I can compete if I'm willing to pay for it. That is what is lacking.

Mages don't pay for spell reagents. They do a lot of damage. They die fast.

Scouts pay for arrows and poisons. They don't do a lot of damage. They die fast.

Tank don't pay for broken armor/weapons. They don't do a lot of damage. They don't die fast.

Anyone else see the missing link here?

Retribution - Befallen

DevlDeg · 03-19-2005, 12:06 AM

Amen Dash.

KetMali · 03-20-2005, 05:48 PM

Troz wrote:
I disagree, devs respond where people express their problems and offer decent solutions. They responded to our list of bugs with the reasons, not just whining that we aren't balanced.

Dude....have you ever read the wizard boards? It was just a huge [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], gripe, flamefest, whining, and anything else you can think of. WHat happened to them? Well im glad you asked Johnnie, well they got a 3500 nuke and 300 dps!!! We have waited patiently w/o the needless rants, gripes, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]es, moans, etc etc. What do we have? Broken skills, low dps, dieing fast ability, and [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ty tanking skills (which im not objecting to). Im sorry, there johnnie, but didnt you say " the devs said the ranger is the fastest class of them all." Well there little johnnie I think you are wrong again. I think the dirge is teh fastest class, they have a trait skill that gives them speed up to the 9 plat horse. Well, whats that johnnie my god your right, im glad I was a ranger then, I get my friendly neighborhood tony the tiger, and for that I am thank full because we are unique the 3 times we have pulled him out in 3 months.

Rangers are borked dont try and be the [Removed for Content] saint saying be patient good things will come. That is total bs and you know it. You never get anything done in a SoE game unless you rant, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], and whine about it. This is still a new game and they are doing alot to help fix problems. But it is their JOBS to fix htings and fix them right. They are making a ton of money from us and paying the employees handsomely to do it. When you are making the kind of money they are you DO NOT have to fix a simple spell 3 different [Removed for Content] times. In real life do you hire someone and pay them well, expecting a very profesional job done correctly and then let them fail 3 times and keep trying? I dont think so. My 2c in anyways keep the ranting up and we will have a pet venekor that will attack!!!

GoNom · 03-21-2005, 03:27 PM

Stupid sony boards killed my post........not worth typing again.

Message Edited by GoNomar on 03-21-2005 08:29 PM

DevlDeg · 03-21-2005, 07:21 PM

I started a post about the cost of rangers DPS under Races and Player Characters, got 98 responses, and not one SOE response. Starting to wonder if they have a "ranger post" filter. I see devs posting about cartoons, TONS of crafter responses, brawler and wizard skills, but NOTHING to acknowledge rangers are BROKEN.

Message Edited by DevlDeggs on 03-21-2005 09:22 AM

Teler · 03-21-2005, 07:32 PM

Well, they (Mods) forwarded the list about "General Ranger Issues" to the devs at least...

DevlDeg · 03-21-2005, 08:08 PM

What I get from the "list" post..... Please forward us the list of skills and spells that we have in the game that are broken or not working. At this time we have all resources alocated to tradeskills and adventure packs, so we will get to you in approximately mid summer.

GoNom · 03-22-2005, 09:36 AM

I changed my mind this is such a tired and boring topic, I'm not feeding into it anymore. people want to have constructive conversations, I'll jump in. you wanna flame and call dev idiots, I'm not playing that reindeer game anymore

Message Edited by GoNomar on 03-21-2005 08:38 PM

KetMali · 03-22-2005, 10:35 AM

GoNomar wrote:

I changed my mind this is such a tired and boring topic, I'm not feeding into it anymore. people want to have constructive conversations, I'll jump in. you wanna flame and call dev idiots, I'm not playing that reindeer game anymore

Message Edited by GoNomar on 03-21-2005 08:38 PM

Im sorry but someone needs to be called an idiot if they get fixing longshanks wrong what 4 times? If its fixed its fixed, if its not its not. This just shows they change things to it alittle and DO NOT TEST IT. Any [Removed for Content] can tell it doesnt work.

Cyawcat · 03-22-2005, 04:03 PM

It doesn't limit to the ranger, and a lot of players throw out the complaint dissatisf action in the forum. I think this cause is indeed simple.

We players have sent the bug report(or feedback) of broken items, broken spells, broken arts, unbalanced artisans, unbalanced adventures, etc many Many MAny MANy MANY times ahead for months.

However, SoE try not to do enough correspondence to these problems, and to make another give priority. (At least, I think so. )
Therefore, everybody(including me) is angry to think that we are disregarded.

SoE are sure to know the problem that we have. If SoE do not know these problems, all reports have thrown in to the garbage box.

I am praying that there was no such an act.

I think that SoE have made a mistake in the problem of giving priority, and you should stop offering Big Patch for a while, and call a strategy meeting. :smileywink:

Message Edited by Cyawcat on 03-22-2005 03:33 AM

Zeijandi · 03-22-2005, 05:49 PM

Obviouslly the squeaky wheel gets the grease with this Dev team. If you want Ranger's fixed you have to wail and scream and curse and holler just like the Sorc's did. If you think that bull [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] pacifisim works with this crew, you're not paying any attention. Classes that don't complain are regarded as being a largely satisfied community. If you are unhappy with Rangers, spam these boards with why you are unhappy with Rangers. Otherwise, take your overpriced, underused and wholly raid ineffective DPS and go solo your 'solo' blue con mobs in quiet ignorant bliss. I swear, with all this 'be nice good things are coming' horsecrap flying around this forum Rangers are doomed to be always broke, always underequipped, always neglected and always a joke. FIGHT THE APATHY! GROW A PAIR!

Sunjaguar · 03-22-2005, 09:36 PM

just posting to increase the numbers and express my support for a fix.

Ajacks

Xran · 03-24-2005, 02:29 AM

I really feel for a ranger. I have a ranger friend, his DPS is nothing fancy, not utilities and going broke to pay for DPS. But seriously, going all anger venting does no use. Constructive post is the key. I see 1 "top 5 issue or ranger" and not much else of consolidated ranger bugs and issues. You guys need a glorified community-consolidated posts about Ranger bugs/issues/feedback/suggestion that will eventually garner Dev's attention. SMILEY

Not to brag, but reality is that we have 2 Blackguard visits already so far! Something like this:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=4618

Message Edited by Xrande on 03-23-2005 04:30 PM

03-17-2005, 06:55 AM	#1
ri Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 14	I am a level 50 Ranger in a high content raiding guild that has killed Darathar. In my experiences rangers are a worthless class that had many broken and unbalanced skills. To start rangers need to use crushing arrows in raids because almost all raid mobs are resistant to piercing or slashing. And to use decent arrows it costs tons of money to keep up in demand because they need to be crafted with the new fuel. Also the ranger was said to be fixed skill wise in the last big patch? Steady aim was the target to make the bow skill buff 15 mins... good job making tier 3 rangers better because the tier 5 upgrade focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad. Also the patch notes said longshank would now stealth the ranger? too bad it does not stealth the ranger lol would be nice if you did what you said you would do. Also the bow snare leg shot which says its a 35% slow on a 1:12 duration does not even work so they cant snare either. The skills are totally unblanaced and/or broken. There are no master bow drops from raids and what do you know? 50%+ of my attacks are bow so im even more worthless compared to other melee classes that gets weapon upgrades. The timers vs. the damage on the bow skills especially like the lvl 50 Storm of Arrows is insane. 5 minute recast? on 1 single skill that is not even that good thats just stupid. Increasing the timers would also just make the ranger use more arrows and waste more money since it is so exspensive to craft with the new Tier 5 fuel. So in the end the skills need to be balanced and fixed because until they are the ranger is one of the most worthless classes to waste your EQ2 career with as it stands. GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live. __________________ First 70 Player Worldwide

03-17-2005, 10:01 AM	#2
GoNom Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 189	ritz wrote: I am a level 50 Ranger in a high content raiding guild that has killed Darathar. In my experiences rangers are a worthless class that had many broken and unbalanced skills. To start rangers need to use crushing arrows in raids because almost all raid mobs are resistant to piercing or slashing. And to use decent arrows it costs tons of money to keep up in demand because they need to be crafted with the new fuel. Also the ranger was said to be fixed skill wise in the last big patch? Steady aim was the target to make the bow skill buff 15 mins... good job making tier 3 rangers better because the tier 5 upgrade focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad. Also the patch notes said longshank would now stealth the ranger? too bad it does not stealth the ranger lol would be nice if you did what you said you would do. Also the bow snare leg shot which says its a 35% slow on a 1:12 duration does not even work so they cant snare either. The skills are totally unblanaced and/or broken. There are no master bow drops from raids and what do you know? 50%+ of my attacks are bow so im even more worthless compared to other melee classes that gets weapon upgrades. The timers vs. the damage on the bow skills especially like the lvl 50 Storm of Arrows is insane. 5 minute recast? on 1 single skill that is not even that good thats just stupid. Increasing the timers would also just make the ranger use more arrows and waste more money since it is so exspensive to craft with the new Tier 5 fuel. So in the end the skills need to be balanced and fixed because until they are the ranger is one of the most worthless classes to waste your EQ2 career with as it stands. GG SoE I was always confident you had the power to screw up terribly even though it took you 3-4 exspansions to get rangers right in EQ Live. And here is yet another uber construction my life is going down the toilet post from a disgruntled level 50 Ranger. instead of contributing to the ongoing threads about our class balancing issues, come in here and basically call the game designers garbage, then expect to fixed. In one word.....BRILLIANT!!! There are about 400 threads in here about the same issues. The problem is too many people come to the boards for the first time jsut to vent and call the devs pieces of crap, that the quality posts outlining our issues, offer sounds suggestions, other then "FIX IT NOW!!". Are pushed out of the way, down to the bottom, by these POS posts. People, come in here and post with a cool head, and make quality posts outlining your issue. Just just flame and vent, it has gotten us nowhere to date. Definition of insanity : An attempt to accomplish a task in the exact same manner, over and over again..........and expect different results __________________ ......Remember, that in the end, Everything we do, just becomes everything we've done...... Luadiane 55 Ranger of Crushbone Member and Patron of Paragon Ravenheart 39 Jeweler of Crushbone The Siphon through which Luadiane's plat falls through

03-17-2005, 03:21 PM	#3
Araze Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	And here is yet another uber construction my life is going down the toilet post from a disgruntled level 50 Ranger. instead of contributing to the ongoing threads about our class balancing issues, come in here and basically call the game designers garbage, then expect to fixed. In one word.....BRILLIANT!!! There are about 400 threads in here about the same issues. The problem is too many people come to the boards for the first time jsut to vent and call the devs pieces of crap, that the quality posts outlining our issues, offer sounds suggestions, other then "FIX IT NOW!!". Are pushed out of the way, down to the bottom, by these POS posts. People, come in here and post with a cool head, and make quality posts outlining your issue. Just just flame and vent, it has gotten us nowhere to date. Definition of insanity : An attempt to accomplish a task in the exact same manner, over and over again..........and expect different results .. says he who is level 34.... The game is 5+ months old. Ranger class is broken at end game, and has been for 5 months. "FIX IT NOW!" statements are starting to come now, from alot of patient rangers who have begged, pleaded, whined, complained, etc to fix stuff for the last 3 months. 1 month ago, I decided to give this game 1 more month. Nothing have changed in 1 month. High level Ranger skills are not working, how hard can that be to fix? Most of the skills are upgrades from previous skills, just more damage. This tell me either A) Devs really dont give a flying f, or B) They are incompetent, unable to fix. 2 huge patches have now been released, one of them included a skillfix for rangers - but that was just bogus. After 5 years of EQ1 and EQ2, Sony finally triggered my quit-button. I cancelled yesterday. Goodbye Sony, hello Blizzard! Sony pushed the release of EQ2 so they could crab customers before WoW was released. Now it is starting to backfire - we all ended up in a beta game which worked fine until people started to hit the high levels and discovered all the non-finished content, including HUGE class balancing issues and broken skills. Im glad many in here are still having fun, enjoy the game for what its worth. Anyone want my stuff?

03-17-2005, 06:11 PM	#4
hieronym General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 493	maybe there should be a sticky at the top of the ranger forum to say rangers are crap at 50 so please dont bother posting yet another thread on the subject. I can only imagine the pain in the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] problems you got at 50 but we all know the raiding problems and the DPS problems. Really no need to keep posting the same over and over again is there? __________________ Hiero the Ranger Essen the Zerker

03-17-2005, 08:05 PM	#5
DevlDeg Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	Level 50 rangers have invested probly 30+ days played to their characters..I think that in itself gives them a right to come here and voice their opinions.Yes the same issues are brought up in post after post, but unfornutately I see very little acknoledgement from SOE. Sure we had a "community service" person show up and say "I'll forward your list" type thing, but come on...GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK. The cost of DPS is a class breaker folks. There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost. If I would of known this I would not of created the Ranger. And NO I will not spend 30 more days played time leveling up another character....I'm burned out on experiencing. Maybe the only people that are gonna end up playing rangers are the roleplaying Aragorn or Drizzt wannabee roleplayists. __________________ Ranger- lvl 48 Najena

03-17-2005, 11:27 PM	#6
BuddhaM Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	--------------------------------------------The cost of DPS is a class breaker folks. There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost. If I would of known this I would not of created the Ranger. And NO I will not spend 30 more days played time leveling up another character....I'm burned out on experiencing.--------------------------------------------I wonder, if you spend 30 days (I know you mean IN GAME days), how much of that was grinding? I hear a lot of complaining from basically people that rushed, yes I mean rushed, through a content rich game just so they could be the first uber l33t lvl 50 whatever on their server or in their guild, and now [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan that they don't have anything to do. They say that the game is not fun at 50, and that they aren't the statisticaly best person in the world, and blah blah blah. I DO understand and agree that some spell progressions need fixing, and there are some balance issues, especially with cost of "ranger fuel" but please. It's taken me almost 30 in game days, and I am only lvl 28. I have spent a LOT of time doing quests, exploring, enjoying the lag jump era while it lasted and cruising the rooftops, this is not a numbers game of highest DPS wins. Could there be a little more flavor? Sure, and there are CONSTRUCTIVE threads on this topic.Basically, you (general point towards whinny lvl 50 anyones, not the OP) need to to stop and smell the roses, find other things to do, and most of all STOP COMPLAINING SO DAMNED MUCH. If you REALLY think this or that class sux, or is broken, then why did it take you till lvl 50 to figure that out? My guess is you actually like the class, just want things changed, so say that, not that this class blows chunks, and the devs are a pack of inbred monkeys for doing things they way they did etc. If you really hate something, you leave. Bad movie? you leave. Bad restaurant? you leave. Bad romance? you leave. Bad class? Fill in the blank./rant off __________________ Novalithen level 28 Ranger level 24 Provisioner Leader, Legion of Honor Steamfont Server

03-18-2005, 12:18 AM	#7
ThePlotThicke Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	BuddhaMMZ wrote: -------------------------------------------- I wonder, if you spend 30 days (I know you mean IN GAME days), how much of that was grinding? I hear a lot of complaining from basically people that rushed, yes I mean rushed, through a content rich game just so they could be the first uber l33t lvl 50 whatever on their server or in their guild, and now [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan that they don't have anything to do. They say that the game is not fun at 50, and that they aren't the statisticaly best person in the world, and blah blah blah. I DO understand and agree that some spell progressions need fixing, and there are some balance issues, especially with cost of "ranger fuel" but please. It's taken me almost 30 in game days, and I am only lvl 28. I have spent a LOT of time doing quests, exploring, enjoying the lag jump era while it lasted and cruising the rooftops, this is not a numbers game of highest DPS wins. Could there be a little more flavor? Sure, and there are CONSTRUCTIVE threads on this topic. Basically, you (general point towards whinny lvl 50 anyones, not the OP) need to to stop and smell the roses, find other things to do, and most of all STOP COMPLAINING SO DAMNED MUCH. If you REALLY think this or that class sux, or is broken, then why did it take you till lvl 50 to figure that out? My guess is you actually like the class, just want things changed, so say that, not that this class blows chunks, and the devs are a pack of inbred monkeys for doing things they way they did etc. If you really hate something, you leave. Bad movie? you leave. Bad restaurant? you leave. Bad romance? you leave. Bad class? Fill in the blank. /rant off - He's not complaining that he's got nothing to do, just that he has very little to contribute when it comes to those things. And just because some people prefer end game raiding over jumping across rooftops doesn't mean they are enjoying the the game any less than you... Playstyle isn't the point of this thread... a broken class is. Please don't try to derail the topic as it's rather important.. Oh, and if jumping from rooftop to rooftop is your thing, try CoH. - Noone is trying to "win" at DPS... the fact is we have to pay a ton of cash while using broken skills to do dps equal to or less than our pred counterpats. This isn't right and needs fixing... - It took till lvl 50 because the class isn't broken until 40+... - If the people who are already there don't complain... you'll have to go through the same thing when you level up. So instead of telling them to slow down and shut up, thank them for helping to fix your game.

03-18-2005, 01:07 AM	#8
Tr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	If you really are having such a bad time that you can't even play your class anymore for fun at all, please do us all a favor and quit. Level 50 raiding as a scout has nothing to do with dps in terms of having fun, rangers can still contribute. Sure we're a little unbalanced, but why not suggest ways to fix instead of whining that you wasted your time. Its obvious that the high end game needs some work, but whining is not the way to go about it. The dev's are finally looking into our class now, longshank has nothing to do with the problem now because it is getting fixed for sure this time.If you think you could balance every scout class while still keeping them unique, please go ahead and make your own game. Until then I suggest you play an alt or something if you don't like your class. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. __________________

03-18-2005, 05:00 AM	#9
CyberE General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61	It takes time to realize the ranger class sucks. I never started parsing until lvl 30. And I thought I was fine as well until lvl 35+. Then I thought maybe that's 'cause I'm not using the best arrows. So I waited a few more lvls. Like ThePlotThickens said, all the statements are actually valid. Low level rangers would have little idea on how bad the ranger class is at lvl 50. BuddhaMMZ , all I can say is that if you were in ritz's shoes right now, you'd be [Removed for Content] too. The ranger class isn't worth playing at lvl 50. You don't win DPS, you contribute. But sadly, that is all you can contribute and at the moment you need to pay for it, and you are still bad at it. Now how do we fix that problem without nerfing other people? you tell me. GoNomar suggested us to unite together. Maybe it is time to unite together and whine non-stop to the developers until they fix us. Or, you can do what Troz said, stop whining and suggest a plan. Well, I stopped whining, suggested a plan, and all I got was a 1 star rating. What can I say? Anyway http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=36019 Please post some feedback. =) Thanks. Message Edited by CyberEva on 03-17-2005 05:12 PM __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kajuana Stillwater - Level 50 Ranger, 3rd of Guk, 30th of World, Level 47 Woodworker No.1 Ranger Damage Guk (1254 dmg Crippling Blade) Kerrigen Stillwater - Level 31 Paladin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

03-18-2005, 07:09 AM	#10
BuddhaM Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	OK, fair enough CyberEva, I don't know what it's like at lvl 50. My frustration is that a hear a lot of complaining, and to be honest, hearing a lot (not all) lvl 50 rangers complaining about how much the class sux is actually depressing me. I stopped reading the forums for about a month cause it started making me feel like I was going nowhere, and that I have nothing to look forward to. To ThePlotThickens, I was not trying to derail anything. I was directly responding mosty to the poster directly above me, whom I quoted in my post, that seems to be saying that he only started a ranger because he wanted high(est) DPS, and it's unfair that someone else is better. I have been reading these forums since day one, and I know the devs haven't been posting here a lot to directly address our concerns, and I can understand a lot of people are disgruntled about that. And for the record, from what I read here I AGREE that after lvl 35ish we start to have a lot of problems, mostly cost and broken skills. I do appreciate the fact that those that have gone before and are in the end game speak up, but with thread titles like:What do rangers bring to the table at level 50 - Nothing -- and can we fix it ?Serious Problems..... Ranger class is not worth playing at lvl 50Werent scouts supposed to be the highest dps in the game?Has a DEV EVER responded in the ranger forum ?leveling a ranger worth it? and my very personal favorite: Rangers? more like pieces of [Removed for Content] with a bow fetish (by the same OP as this thread fyi)I understand that people are ticked, that stuff is broke, that we are more expensive to upkeep that Donald Trump's ex-trophy wives. But I don't think that the lvl 50 folks realize that the way they are saying SOME things is not helping, even if it's meant well. Do you have any idea what it is like to be excited to play the game, be 5 MONTHS into it and (only) be lvl 28 really want to get to 50 and realizing that will probably take another few months, and to hear from those that are already there that it's all a waste of time, nothing is getting fixed, it's not what it's cracked up to be? There HAVE been fixes, and there will inevitably be more. We have utility outside of strick DPS, and no one seems to even think about that. (To that effect, I would propose that rangers, when played well, are the hardiest and hardest to kill DPS in the game. We are tougher that any mage, can kite and still fight, and we can fight effectively at range, and are more versatile in that way that even asassins)Anywhos, be mad, be upset, feel like you are getting the shaft, but stop saying things in a such a negative way such as:"focus fire is still on a 36 sec duration so rangers still are bad" (what, you only use one skill?)"After 5 years of EQ1 and EQ2, Sony finally triggered my quit-button. I cancelled yesterday. Goodbye Sony, hello Blizzard!" (what, you want my to feel sorry for you? Will that make you feel better?)"There is ZERO reason to play a ranger when you can play an assassin that has same or higher DPS output without cost...or bruiser with zero DPS cost.""The ranger class isn't worth playing at lvl 50." __________________ Novalithen level 28 Ranger level 24 Provisioner Leader, Legion of Honor Steamfont Server

03-18-2005, 07:24 AM	#11
CyberE General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 61	nodnod. But we are whining so we can get our class fixed. =p the more we whine, the more they know about the situation. The less we whine, the more they will think we are ok. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kajuana Stillwater - Level 50 Ranger, 3rd of Guk, 30th of World, Level 47 Woodworker No.1 Ranger Damage Guk (1254 dmg Crippling Blade) Kerrigen Stillwater - Level 31 Paladin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

03-18-2005, 09:01 AM	#12
Tr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	I disagree, devs respond where people express their problems and offer decent solutions. They responded to our list of bugs with the reasons, not just whining that we aren't balanced. __________________

03-18-2005, 07:57 PM	#13
DevlDeg Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	They responded Troz? I missed that. All I saw was a community manager show up and say he'll forward the list. I have NEVER seen acknoledgement on the cost of our dps or all the high level dps problems. Sure they have mentioned they are looking into Scout vs. Fighter dps and are supposedly fixing longshank "ver3" for ya. I have this feeling they are spending a huge amount of resourses on alll the Crafting changes to get the economy where they want it so that THEN they will proceed with balancing, but if they don't tell us How do we know? __________________ Ranger- lvl 48 Najena

03-18-2005, 08:42 PM	#14
Salor Ravensworth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	Arrows=Money?...Sorry you didnt know that man from the beginning, that sux..;-( 49 Ranger AB Fulgin __________________ Salor Ravensworth 70 Ranger/70 Woodworker The Bekwen Alliance AB

03-18-2005, 09:56 PM	#15
Artr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	DevlDeggs wrote:They responded Troz? I missed that. All I saw was a community manager show up and say he'll forward the list. I have NEVER seen acknoledgement on the cost of our dps or all the high level dps problems. Sure they have mentioned they are looking into Scout vs. Fighter dps and are supposedly fixing longshank "ver3" for ya. I have this feeling they are spending a huge amount of resourses on alll the Crafting changes to get the economy where they want it so that THEN they will proceed with balancing, but if they don't tell us How do we know? So wait...that whole thing where they tried to fix a few skills wasn't an acknoledgement? Odd....

03-18-2005, 11:50 PM	#16
Dashofpepp Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 84	Since everyone complains about Rangers being useless...I would again contend that it is the PLAYER that is useless, not the class. Read this. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=39&message.id=5917 Retribution - Befallen

03-18-2005, 11:52 PM	#17
DevlDeg Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	They are fixing Longshank....the THIRD attempt I might add. This skill has been "Fixed" multiple times starting in February. I guess if you are happy with that kind of response you will be darn happy with your ranger at high levels. This skill has been on the "I'll pass the list on to the developers" list for 3 months and today it is not working. No developer has acknowledged the 1000's of rangers that have spoken up about the cost of DPS..NONE. Dash...your post and the skills you talked about show that you are around lvl 26-28 (im guessing) since you don't mention your level. Once again this post and many many others that mention our deficiency in contributing to raiding and cost of DPS pertains to ranger 40+. I was a DAM happy ranger from 20 to 38.. I enjoy playing a ranger. I believe that the issues that we currently have will be addressed by SOE and I continue to play my ranger. Will I be here for a year + if they aren't addressed? Who knows. Message Edited by DevlDeggs on 03-18-2005 02:03 PM __________________ Ranger- lvl 48 Najena

03-18-2005, 11:56 PM	#18
Dashofpepp Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 84	I posted this in another thread here in this ranger forum. Thought it applied here too. Hmm...I came to Everquest 2 from Lineage 2. I had a Phantom Ranger (Dark Elf) and a Silver Ranger (Light Elf) there. The idea of paying for dps has merit if it is applied in such a way to give you an advantage. In L2 for instance, you could "kite" a mob; shoot - run, shoot - run; repeat...until the mob was dead. The advantage to soloing was obvious; you could kill something without having to go toe to toe with it. Mages could also kite, but not for as long; Rangers were faster. Then they made virtually all mobs arrow-resistant and faster than a wind-walked ranger but that's another story... The point being; Paying for DPS is fine. I'm ok with paying for dps. However, the advantage we are supposed to get with that is lacking. If a fighter class and I of the same level and relative gear stand next to identical mobs and turn on auto-attack --and neither of us use any skills, my mob should die first. That's the initial flaw; it isn't happening. The paying for dps idea...poisons and arrows...should not be to bring my dps above fighters, it should be to bring it in par with mages. Mages do a ton of damage; I can compete if I'm willing to pay for it. That is what is lacking. Mages don't pay for spell reagents. They do a lot of damage. They die fast. Scouts pay for arrows and poisons. They don't do a lot of damage. They die fast. Tank don't pay for broken armor/weapons. They don't do a lot of damage. They don't die fast. Anyone else see the missing link here? Retribution - Befallen

03-19-2005, 12:06 AM	#19
DevlDeg Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	Amen Dash. __________________ Ranger- lvl 48 Najena

03-20-2005, 05:48 PM	#20
KetMali Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	Troz wrote: I disagree, devs respond where people express their problems and offer decent solutions. They responded to our list of bugs with the reasons, not just whining that we aren't balanced. Dude....have you ever read the wizard boards? It was just a huge [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], gripe, flamefest, whining, and anything else you can think of. WHat happened to them? Well im glad you asked Johnnie, well they got a 3500 nuke and 300 dps!!! We have waited patiently w/o the needless rants, gripes, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]es, moans, etc etc. What do we have? Broken skills, low dps, dieing fast ability, and [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ty tanking skills (which im not objecting to). Im sorry, there johnnie, but didnt you say " the devs said the ranger is the fastest class of them all." Well there little johnnie I think you are wrong again. I think the dirge is teh fastest class, they have a trait skill that gives them speed up to the 9 plat horse. Well, whats that johnnie my god your right, im glad I was a ranger then, I get my friendly neighborhood tony the tiger, and for that I am thank full because we are unique the 3 times we have pulled him out in 3 months. Rangers are borked dont try and be the [Removed for Content] saint saying be patient good things will come. That is total bs and you know it. You never get anything done in a SoE game unless you rant, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], and whine about it. This is still a new game and they are doing alot to help fix problems. But it is their JOBS to fix htings and fix them right. They are making a ton of money from us and paying the employees handsomely to do it. When you are making the kind of money they are you DO NOT have to fix a simple spell 3 different [Removed for Content] times. In real life do you hire someone and pay them well, expecting a very profesional job done correctly and then let them fail 3 times and keep trying? I dont think so. My 2c in anyways keep the ranting up and we will have a pet venekor that will attack!!!

03-21-2005, 03:27 PM	#21
GoNom Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 189	Stupid sony boards killed my post........not worth typing again. Message Edited by GoNomar on 03-21-2005 08:29 PM __________________ ......Remember, that in the end, Everything we do, just becomes everything we've done...... Luadiane 55 Ranger of Crushbone Member and Patron of Paragon Ravenheart 39 Jeweler of Crushbone The Siphon through which Luadiane's plat falls through

03-21-2005, 07:21 PM	#22
DevlDeg Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	I started a post about the cost of rangers DPS under Races and Player Characters, got 98 responses, and not one SOE response. Starting to wonder if they have a "ranger post" filter. I see devs posting about cartoons, TONS of crafter responses, brawler and wizard skills, but NOTHING to acknowledge rangers are BROKEN. Message Edited by DevlDeggs on 03-21-2005 09:22 AM __________________ Ranger- lvl 48 Najena

03-21-2005, 07:32 PM	#23
Teler Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 75	Well, they (Mods) forwarded the list about "General Ranger Issues" to the devs at least... __________________

03-21-2005, 08:08 PM	#24
DevlDeg Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	What I get from the "list" post..... Please forward us the list of skills and spells that we have in the game that are broken or not working. At this time we have all resources alocated to tradeskills and adventure packs, so we will get to you in approximately mid summer. __________________ Ranger- lvl 48 Najena

03-22-2005, 09:36 AM	#25
GoNom Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 189	I changed my mind this is such a tired and boring topic, I'm not feeding into it anymore. people want to have constructive conversations, I'll jump in. you wanna flame and call dev idiots, I'm not playing that reindeer game anymore Message Edited by GoNomar on 03-21-2005 08:38 PM __________________ ......Remember, that in the end, Everything we do, just becomes everything we've done...... Luadiane 55 Ranger of Crushbone Member and Patron of Paragon Ravenheart 39 Jeweler of Crushbone The Siphon through which Luadiane's plat falls through

03-22-2005, 10:35 AM	#26
KetMali Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	GoNomar wrote: I changed my mind this is such a tired and boring topic, I'm not feeding into it anymore. people want to have constructive conversations, I'll jump in. you wanna flame and call dev idiots, I'm not playing that reindeer game anymore Message Edited by GoNomar on 03-21-2005 08:38 PM Im sorry but someone needs to be called an idiot if they get fixing longshanks wrong what 4 times? If its fixed its fixed, if its not its not. This just shows they change things to it alittle and DO NOT TEST IT. Any [Removed for Content] can tell it doesnt work.

03-22-2005, 04:03 PM	#27
Cyawcat Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	It doesn't limit to the ranger, and a lot of players throw out the complaint dissatisf action in the forum. I think this cause is indeed simple. We players have sent the bug report(or feedback) of broken items, broken spells, broken arts, unbalanced artisans, unbalanced adventures, etc many Many MAny MANy MANY times ahead for months. However, SoE try not to do enough correspondence to these problems, and to make another give priority. (At least, I think so. ) Therefore, everybody(including me) is angry to think that we are disregarded. SoE are sure to know the problem that we have. If SoE do not know these problems, all reports have thrown in to the garbage box. I am praying that there was no such an act. I think that SoE have made a mistake in the problem of giving priority, and you should stop offering Big Patch for a while, and call a strategy meeting. :smileywink: Message Edited by Cyawcat on 03-22-2005 03:33 AM

03-22-2005, 05:49 PM	#28
Zeijandi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	Obviouslly the squeaky wheel gets the grease with this Dev team. If you want Ranger's fixed you have to wail and scream and curse and holler just like the Sorc's did. If you think that bull [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] pacifisim works with this crew, you're not paying any attention. Classes that don't complain are regarded as being a largely satisfied community. If you are unhappy with Rangers, spam these boards with why you are unhappy with Rangers. Otherwise, take your overpriced, underused and wholly raid ineffective DPS and go solo your 'solo' blue con mobs in quiet ignorant bliss. I swear, with all this 'be nice good things are coming' horsecrap flying around this forum Rangers are doomed to be always broke, always underequipped, always neglected and always a joke. FIGHT THE APATHY! GROW A PAIR! __________________ Zeijandi Thunderstalker 80 Ranger Division of Anarchy Aggro-monkey of Death Neriakithicor

03-22-2005, 09:36 PM	#29
Sunjaguar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 61	just posting to increase the numbers and express my support for a fix. Ajacks __________________

03-24-2005, 02:29 AM	#30
Xran Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 374	I really feel for a ranger. I have a ranger friend, his DPS is nothing fancy, not utilities and going broke to pay for DPS. But seriously, going all anger venting does no use. Constructive post is the key. I see 1 "top 5 issue or ranger" and not much else of consolidated ranger bugs and issues. You guys need a glorified community-consolidated posts about Ranger bugs/issues/feedback/suggestion that will eventually garner Dev's attention. Not to brag, but reality is that we have 2 Blackguard visits already so far! Something like this: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=13&message.id=4618 Message Edited by Xrande on 03-23-2005 04:30 PM __________________ --------------------------------------------------- Xelani - Templar of the 42nd Season in Blackburrow Troubadour of the 27th Season