healer fear proc

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 12:12 PM

I've noticed all the good Nagafen healers are wearing items that proc fear whenever I hit them. So call me a noob, but how do I get one of these for my healer? I am on a PvE server, and I don't believe I've seen an item with any decent fear proc on damage. Is this only available to Nagafen players?

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 12:32 PM

Its an old pvp item that is sold from the ROK pvp only merchants which is 2 xpacs old and was in the game long before BG's.

Most nonhealers on my server have hated that item for quite some time.

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 12:53 PM

Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.

[whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine]

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 01:02 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.
[whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine]

This isnt anything new.

We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers.

You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server.

Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item.

Geothe · 03-08-2010, 01:14 PM

Paill@Nagafen wrote:

PeterJohn wrote:
Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.
[whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine]
This isnt anything new.
We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers.
You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server.
Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item.

Then disable that item in the BGs all together.Because the issue in this matter is that it is a proc that IS found in the BGs, and players from PvE servers have no access to anything similar.Other gear will reach parity over time as PvEers earn tokens and pick up the new BG Armor/Jewelry Weapons. So the head start that PvP players currently have in gear will equalize over time.However, that is not the case with this fear proc gear, as PvE servers have ZERO access to it, no matter how much time invested.

Jasuo · 03-08-2010, 01:15 PM

if they either added a similar effect to new gear or made the old effect useless in BG it'd make posts like these go away

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 01:23 PM

Geothe wrote:

Paill@Nagafen wrote:
PeterJohn wrote:
Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG.
[whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine]
This isnt anything new.
We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers.
You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server.
Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item.
Then disable that item in the BGs all together.Because the issue in this matter is that it is a proc that IS found in the BGs, and players from PvE servers have no access to anything similar.Other gear will reach parity over time as PvEers earn tokens and pick up the new BG Armor/Jewelry Weapons. So the head start that PvP players currently have in gear will equalize over time.However, that is not the case with this fear proc gear, as PvE servers have ZERO access to it, no matter how much time invested.

I understand where you are comming from but I find it rather comical that someone from a pve server is upset that someone from a pvp server has an advantage over you in pvp because of pvp gear.

We didnt ask for BG, I dont like the fact that you pve server people get any kind of pvp gear at all without having to level up and earn it on our server period but thats not yours or my choice.

You should be happy you get the same T9 stuff as us, but I will never agree with you to ever get access to OLD pvp gear.

Id love to have some old avatar gear but that aint happening either. Sure we could have got it back then but then again you could have rolled on a pvp server like the rest of us before BG ever went live.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 01:25 PM

Jasuo wrote:

if they either added a similar effect to new gear or made the old effect useless in BG it'd make posts like these go away

If they would have nerfed/removed this item years ago when we( people who play on pvp servers) complained about it being overpowered it would have made post like these nonexistant too.

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 01:30 PM

Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away.

Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.

Guld_Ulrish · 03-08-2010, 01:56 PM

Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 02:15 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away.
Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.

You might have a point if the fear proc actually killed you. Fear does no damage so the context which you are using as an argument is so far off it doesnt even make sense.

What you need to understand is, pvp servers and our gear has been around much much longer than BG's.

Also you need to also understand its not much differnt to us than avatar gear, which no one has access to now.

This ring is 1 item, we have many many more items you dont even know about that are probably owning face in BG's too.

If you want the best pvp gear then level up and earn it on a pvp server like we all had too, otherwise be happy you even get BG and its gear at all on a pve server.

CS-Crymzon · 03-08-2010, 02:15 PM

Found a bunch of items from t5 fabled with fear proc. Looks like they are all 5% chance. What's the chance to proc on the pvp item?

Taldier · 03-08-2010, 02:24 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away.
Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.

Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic?

Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing. Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it.

If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers. You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs. Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 03:05 PM

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic?
Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing. Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it.
If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers. You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs. Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.

It sure was hyperbolic. But you got the point, didn't you? You would object, right???

But then, it is okay, because fear proc is just a "minor advantage" from your standpoint, so this should be allowed to stand. Right?

Oh and I should roll on Nagafen to play BG that was intended for people of all servers. That makes real sense. I want to play on my own server with my own friends and with the toon I've worked on for 2-3 years, thank you. But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.

Taldier · 03-08-2010, 03:11 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

Taldier@Venekor wrote:
Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic?
Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing. Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it.
If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers. You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs. Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.
It sure was hyperbolic. But you got the point, didn't you? You would object, right???
But then, it is okay, because fear proc is just a "minor advantage" from your standpoint, so this should be allowed to stand. Right?
Oh and I should roll on Nagafen to play BG that was intended for people of all servers. That makes real sense. I want to play on my own server with my own friends and with the toon I've worked on for 2-3 years, thank you. But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.

Then they should nerf it to make it easier to deal with. No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.

CS-Crymzon · 03-08-2010, 03:28 PM

Don't get BG gear confused with PVP gear. Regardless of if the gear has pvp stats, its intended for use on the BG's. Without access to it, pvp players would have a huge advantage over the rest of the server players and this is a worldwide game which means all players worldwide should have the same access to gear (BG wise). I can however fully respect the time taken to obtain gear on pvp servers which may give pvp players an advantage over pve players. This just means us pve players have to compensate with skill and tactics if an item gives that much of an advantage.

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 03:37 PM

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.

I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.

Muraazi · 03-08-2010, 03:40 PM

Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.

There now go get it... Problem solved.

CS-Crymzon · 03-08-2010, 03:41 PM

Muraazi wrote:

Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
There now go get it... Problem solved.

We've already established this. Old news.....

mrsma · 03-08-2010, 03:46 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.

PVP is not fair. Which is why there is PVE and PVP options.

BG is PVP not PVE.

Adapt, learn, work as a team, communicate.

There are lots of ways to get around a situation, the only only problem is that it's not scripted scenario !

cya in game

Cynicisim · 03-08-2010, 03:48 PM

I hate this fear proc. It seems to fear me on every hit. But, it is in the game. Just don't want it at T9.

Grumble69 · 03-08-2010, 03:48 PM

I don't have an issue with Nagafen players having their own separate gear with these nice procs. ...as long as they play in PUGs where they can randomly appear on either side. My issue is when they form their own groups & raids. The advantage is too strong in those cases. Ideally, I'd like the MatchMaker to pit Naggy groups against Naggy groups.

mrsma · 03-08-2010, 03:49 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.

Ummm..........???????It's PVP. I think you should stay PVE.

Muraazi · 03-08-2010, 03:49 PM

CS-Crymzon wrote:

Muraazi wrote:
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too.
There now go get it... Problem solved.
We've already established this. Old news.....

Correct, but obviously someone cough OP cough doesn't get it.

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 03:51 PM

I honestly hate that proc. I sure as heck do not want to see more of it. I have seen enough of it over the past few year on my pvp server.

Notsovilepriest · 03-08-2010, 03:52 PM

PeterJohn wrote:

Taldier@Venekor wrote:
No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.
I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.

You realize BG gear is PvP gear, Copy and pasted with the same names...Right?

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 03:57 PM

mrsmall wrote:

PeterJohn wrote:
I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.
Ummm..........???????It's PVP. I think you should stay PVE.

Nagefen people have been telling me that Battlegrounds is completely different from PvP. That it is Hello Kitty hugs watered down PvP. So keep the real PvP gear that you don't want us to have out of Battlegrounds. Simple as that. Or do you insist on keeping your advantage over blue server people?

Don't get me wrong, I am still having a lot of fun in Battlegrounds, so much that I might actually be rolling a Naggy toon shortly SMILEY

Oh and I have no idea what fear proc gear you are referring to in PvE... If there is such, and it is as viable to wear this as it is viable to wear the PvP fear proc item, then yes I will have no complaints. If it is a lower fear proc rate and I have to give up a breastplate with +100000 crit chance and +3200398 crit bonus and +23432 toughness, and you don't because yours is an earring, well then...

Ooops good thing I proofread, I had an "L" in place of the first "R" in crit chance there and almost submitted it.

Darkonx · 03-08-2010, 04:15 PM

The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.

PeterJohn · 03-08-2010, 04:22 PM

Darkonx wrote:

The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.

Well, there you go LOL. Since my templar can wear this cloth armor, we PvE's have nothing to complain about.

Wytie · 03-08-2010, 04:24 PM

Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:

PeterJohn wrote:
Taldier@Venekor wrote:
No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.
I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.
You realize BG gear is PvP gear, Copy and pasted with the same names...Right?

Not only that but BG use OUR pvp rulesets.

I laugh at the dev time it would take to make our pvp gear unuseable in BG's, exp since in T9 they are exactly the same down to the name.

03-08-2010, 12:32 PM	#2
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Its an old pvp item that is sold from the ROK pvp only merchants which is 2 xpacs old and was in the game long before BG's. Most nonhealers on my server have hated that item for quite some time. __________________

03-08-2010, 01:02 PM	#4
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	PeterJohn wrote: Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG. [whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine] This isnt anything new. We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers. You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server. Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item. __________________

03-08-2010, 01:14 PM	#5
Geothe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,098	Paill@Nagafen wrote: PeterJohn wrote: Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG. [whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine] This isnt anything new. We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers. You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server. Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item. Then disable that item in the BGs all together.Because the issue in this matter is that it is a proc that IS found in the BGs, and players from PvE servers have no access to anything similar.Other gear will reach parity over time as PvEers earn tokens and pick up the new BG Armor/Jewelry Weapons. So the head start that PvP players currently have in gear will equalize over time.However, that is not the case with this fear proc gear, as PvE servers have ZERO access to it, no matter how much time invested. __________________ Smed: We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. Smed: 5) This [LoN] is not some slippery slope towards selling items directly in EQ & EQ II. Lie #3: Station Cash. Enough Said.

03-08-2010, 01:15 PM	#6
Jasuo Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 758	if they either added a similar effect to new gear or made the old effect useless in BG it'd make posts like these go away __________________

03-08-2010, 01:23 PM	#7
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Geothe wrote: Paill@Nagafen wrote: PeterJohn wrote: Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG. [whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine] This isnt anything new. We have had access to items you dont for a very very very long time. Its called pvp gear and anyone of you can have it that plays on pvp servers. You all have chosen to play on servers without pvp gear or pvp, which is why you dont have it. There are tons of items we have gotten over the years that only pvp servers get access to. Its part of the perk for playing on a pvp server. Its not BG gear and I hope it never is. This item needs to go away not be reborn its almost 2 years old its a level 80 item. Then disable that item in the BGs all together.Because the issue in this matter is that it is a proc that IS found in the BGs, and players from PvE servers have no access to anything similar.Other gear will reach parity over time as PvEers earn tokens and pick up the new BG Armor/Jewelry Weapons. So the head start that PvP players currently have in gear will equalize over time.However, that is not the case with this fear proc gear, as PvE servers have ZERO access to it, no matter how much time invested. I understand where you are comming from but I find it rather comical that someone from a pve server is upset that someone from a pvp server has an advantage over you in pvp because of pvp gear. We didnt ask for BG, I dont like the fact that you pve server people get any kind of pvp gear at all without having to level up and earn it on our server period but thats not yours or my choice. You should be happy you get the same T9 stuff as us, but I will never agree with you to ever get access to OLD pvp gear. Id love to have some old avatar gear but that aint happening either. Sure we could have got it back then but then again you could have rolled on a pvp server like the rest of us before BG ever went live. You cant have your cake and eat it too. __________________

03-08-2010, 12:12 PM	#1
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	I've noticed all the good Nagafen healers are wearing items that proc fear whenever I hit them. So call me a noob, but how do I get one of these for my healer? I am on a PvE server, and I don't believe I've seen an item with any decent fear proc on damage. Is this only available to Nagafen players?

03-08-2010, 12:53 PM	#3
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	Hmm, I would suggest that SoE make an item like this available to PvE players in that case. Make the effect only active in PvP, I don't care about having it on my blue server, but I would love to have this in game. Either that or make the item's fear proc only work on the Nagafen server and not in BG. [whine] Seems kind of unfair that PvP server players have access to items that we don't. [/whine]

03-08-2010, 01:25 PM	#8
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Jasuo wrote: if they either added a similar effect to new gear or made the old effect useless in BG it'd make posts like these go away If they would have nerfed/removed this item years ago when we( people who play on pvp servers) complained about it being overpowered it would have made post like these nonexistant too. __________________

03-08-2010, 01:30 PM	#9
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away. Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring.

03-08-2010, 01:56 PM	#10
Guld_Ulrish Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 607	Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. __________________ (Koppar PvP video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8VCJxS5p3s

03-08-2010, 02:15 PM	#11
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	PeterJohn wrote: Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away. Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring. You might have a point if the fear proc actually killed you. Fear does no damage so the context which you are using as an argument is so far off it doesnt even make sense. What you need to understand is, pvp servers and our gear has been around much much longer than BG's. Also you need to also understand its not much differnt to us than avatar gear, which no one has access to now. This ring is 1 item, we have many many more items you dont even know about that are probably owning face in BG's too. If you want the best pvp gear then level up and earn it on a pvp server like we all had too, otherwise be happy you even get BG and its gear at all on a pve server. __________________

03-08-2010, 02:15 PM	#12
CS-Crymzon Seer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5	Found a bunch of items from t5 fabled with fear proc. Looks like they are all 5% chance. What's the chance to proc on the pvp item?

03-08-2010, 02:24 PM	#13
Taldier Server: Venekor Guild: Opus Dei Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,071	PeterJohn wrote: Saying that it is too bad we didn't roll on a PvP server is BS. Battlegrounds is a new zone open to all servers. The rules and equipment opportunities should be the same for both sides. (I don't care that you had a head start, I'll catch up to you soon.) Not having equal opportunities creates an imbalance that is going to turn players away. Imagine for a minute that there was a RING OF INSTANT PLAYER KILL available only on blue servers. Not just harder to get on a PvP server, but just simply did not exist at all on any but blue servers. Now imagine that I was allowed to bring this item into BG and use on you Nagafen folks. I highly doubt that anyone from a PvP server would ever think that was fair, and you would hear the exact same complaints as you are hearing now about this fear proc ring. Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic? Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing. Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it. If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers. You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs. Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots.

03-08-2010, 03:05 PM	#14
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	Taldier@Venekor wrote: Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic? Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing. Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it. If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers. You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs. Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots. It sure was hyperbolic. But you got the point, didn't you? You would object, right??? But then, it is okay, because fear proc is just a "minor advantage" from your standpoint, so this should be allowed to stand. Right? Oh and I should roll on Nagafen to play BG that was intended for people of all servers. That makes real sense. I want to play on my own server with my own friends and with the toon I've worked on for 2-3 years, thank you. But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment.

03-08-2010, 03:11 PM	#15
Taldier Server: Venekor Guild: Opus Dei Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,071	PeterJohn wrote: Taldier@Venekor wrote: Dont you think comparing an item that occasionally fears you to a "ring of instant death" is slightly hyperbolic? Really they should just nerf the proc on the stupid thing. Nerf the overpowered quested t7 stun cloak while they're at it. If you want pvp gear, roll on a pvp server, and actually contribute to the pvp servers. You already get free t9 pvp gear from the bgs. Either that or make the bg tokens into "buy whatever the F$*% you want" tokens so I can get a shiny pair of t7 avatar boots. It sure was hyperbolic. But you got the point, didn't you? You would object, right??? But then, it is okay, because fear proc is just a "minor advantage" from your standpoint, so this should be allowed to stand. Right? Oh and I should roll on Nagafen to play BG that was intended for people of all servers. That makes real sense. I want to play on my own server with my own friends and with the toon I've worked on for 2-3 years, thank you. But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment. Then they should nerf it to make it easier to deal with. No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server.

03-08-2010, 03:28 PM	#16
CS-Crymzon Seer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5	Don't get BG gear confused with PVP gear. Regardless of if the gear has pvp stats, its intended for use on the BG's. Without access to it, pvp players would have a huge advantage over the rest of the server players and this is a worldwide game which means all players worldwide should have the same access to gear (BG wise). I can however fully respect the time taken to obtain gear on pvp servers which may give pvp players an advantage over pve players. This just means us pve players have to compensate with skill and tactics if an item gives that much of an advantage.

03-08-2010, 03:37 PM	#17
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	Taldier@Venekor wrote: No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server. I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers.

03-08-2010, 03:40 PM	#18
Muraazi Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 302	Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. There now go get it... Problem solved. __________________

03-08-2010, 03:41 PM	#19
CS-Crymzon Seer Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5	Muraazi wrote: Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. There now go get it... Problem solved. We've already established this. Old news.....

03-08-2010, 03:46 PM	#20
mrsma General Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: England - London Posts: 331	PeterJohn wrote: But I still would like to play BG in a fair environment. PVP is not fair. Which is why there is PVE and PVP options. BG is PVP not PVE. Adapt, learn, work as a team, communicate. There are lots of ways to get around a situation, the only only problem is that it's not scripted scenario ! cya in game __________________

03-08-2010, 03:48 PM	#21
Cynicisim Server: Nagafen Guild: Tyranny Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 116	I hate this fear proc. It seems to fear me on every hit. But, it is in the game. Just don't want it at T9.

03-08-2010, 03:48 PM	#22
Grumble69 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,257	I don't have an issue with Nagafen players having their own separate gear with these nice procs. ...as long as they play in PUGs where they can randomly appear on either side. My issue is when they form their own groups & raids. The advantage is too strong in those cases. Ideally, I'd like the MatchMaker to pit Naggy groups against Naggy groups.

03-08-2010, 03:49 PM	#23
mrsma General Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: England - London Posts: 331	PeterJohn wrote: I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers. Ummm..........???????It's PVP. I think you should stay PVE. __________________

03-08-2010, 03:49 PM	#24
Muraazi Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 302	CS-Crymzon wrote: Muraazi wrote: Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. Old t5 raidgear have the fear proc too. There now go get it... Problem solved. We've already established this. Old news..... Correct, but obviously someone cough OP cough doesn't get it. __________________

03-08-2010, 03:51 PM	#25
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	I honestly hate that proc. I sure as heck do not want to see more of it. I have seen enough of it over the past few year on my pvp server. __________________

03-08-2010, 03:52 PM	#26
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	PeterJohn wrote: Taldier@Venekor wrote: No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server. I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers. You realize BG gear is PvP gear, Copy and pasted with the same names...Right? __________________

03-08-2010, 03:57 PM	#27
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	mrsmall wrote: PeterJohn wrote: I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers. Ummm..........???????It's PVP. I think you should stay PVE. Nagefen people have been telling me that Battlegrounds is completely different from PvP. That it is Hello Kitty hugs watered down PvP. So keep the real PvP gear that you don't want us to have out of Battlegrounds. Simple as that. Or do you insist on keeping your advantage over blue server people? Don't get me wrong, I am still having a lot of fun in Battlegrounds, so much that I might actually be rolling a Naggy toon shortly Oh and I have no idea what fear proc gear you are referring to in PvE... If there is such, and it is as viable to wear this as it is viable to wear the PvP fear proc item, then yes I will have no complaints. If it is a lower fear proc rate and I have to give up a breastplate with +100000 crit chance and +3200398 crit bonus and +23432 toughness, and you don't because yours is an earring, well then... Ooops good thing I proofread, I had an "L" in place of the first "R" in crit chance there and almost submitted it.

03-08-2010, 04:15 PM	#28
Darkonx Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 389	The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear.

03-08-2010, 04:22 PM	#29
PeterJohn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 525	Darkonx wrote: The fear proc gear from T5 was on cloth armor. You'd have to drop whatever armor you are wearing to equip said cloth armor that has +5 sta +3 int +4 agi on it. The ear is a jewelery piece, and as such, is INFINITELY more viable to wear. Well, there you go LOL. Since my templar can wear this cloth armor, we PvE's have nothing to complain about.

03-08-2010, 04:24 PM	#30
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote: PeterJohn wrote: Taldier@Venekor wrote: No matter what though, pve'ers should not get pvp gear without playing on a pvp server. I agree. There should be no PvP gear in Battlegrounds allowed at all. That is a great solution. Make only PvE gear and Battleground gear available in Battlegrounds. If someone has no access to an item, make it not available in an environment designed for all servers. You realize BG gear is PvP gear, Copy and pasted with the same names...Right? Not only that but BG use OUR pvp rulesets. I laugh at the dev time it would take to make our pvp gear unuseable in BG's, exp since in T9 they are exactly the same down to the name. __________________