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Old 05-04-2005, 12:11 PM   #1
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May i ask this? No , im not a l33t d00de, just wounder why almost evry guild refuse to RAID with people from other guild or not guilded AT ALL.
 
I think most valuables loot should be putted in backpack of each mamber of raid and may be some very valuable loot should be rolled for ebtire RAID group. But every one who was in RAID shoud get their shiny item. I'm just tired from guild RAID that refused to accept other people SMILEY
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Old 05-04-2005, 12:24 PM   #2
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The main issue is that people don't mind missing out on a great loot if their guildies get it and benefit from the raid. If some guy you have never seen before gets the best loot on a given raid you have potentially wasted your time. Just expaining the thinking behind closed raids.
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Old 05-04-2005, 01:55 PM   #3
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Some guilds if not most do have an totaly other system than lotto.

This can be any form of a bidding system they implented, so to gain the loot is to bid on loot, outsiders may never get enough "points" to bid on items. (mostly only on needed items)

2ndly Some guild's can make good tactic's beforehand, telling this tactic over again for new "incommer" takes to much time

3thly You do not not how good/bad this incommer is (asume he is unguilded) in raids.

4thly A reason for being in a guild is to  play with each other (in raids).

5thly It is natural to let all the same guildmembers in raid, until it is full

Sure when there aren't enough people for a raid they can look for other persons, either guilded or not, but raiding is different from grouping and 1 bad person can already cause a raid-wipe. Insisting to join other persons raids is kinda insulting to me (don't say you are bad or are insisting).

So if you get's allowed to join other guild-raid you have to discus evrything about loot and reward etc until both of you are happy, but don't expect an equal chance of the loot becasue some if not most raids prefer to play with 1 less person in raid and have a real guild-raid than seeing that 1 person that joined for the first time get's "all" the loot.

The bidding system guilds use is based more on activety and what you buy instead of pure luck. (some people have some natural bad luck), wich gives evryone a fair chance of getting something they need (sometimes).

 

If you want to raid that badly find a guild that suits your "wishes" and try to join it, but don't demand to get in and if you get in equal chance to get that uberloot if they don't use lotto. (they might give that master 1 spell to you if only you can use it or something like this, but you aren't placed on the 1st place)

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Old 05-04-2005, 02:14 PM   #4
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Up to tactik and assumption how good person is : this frequently happens right before RAID and persone who was pushed out from RAID was in group with this guild and neither get aggro or behave themself wrong in matter of group play...So pure greediness here. Therefore i ask why not give everypersone somthing from encounter ( we all know that loot system is buggy and at time i see one persone gets 6-7 items at time i understand behaviour of "Closed society"... But as i say - why not implement some item that will be placed directly in backpack for any of RAID mamber so no one will come with empty hands?
 
 
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Old 05-04-2005, 03:09 PM   #5
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It was all just explained to you very clearly. Join a guild and stop whinging.
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Old 05-04-2005, 04:03 PM   #6
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Trolling is not acceptable.And yes, im a member of big guild.
 
This don't change my stated opinion. Therefore make me a little pleasure and not made this thread "dirty".
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Old 05-04-2005, 04:24 PM   #7
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Thats why they have to make more levle 50, single group challenging zones like nek castle the return, for the people who dont have the luxuary of a big massive levle 50 raiding zone. A zone with equal difficulty, and time invovled, and it ends with a challenging mob, and a metal chest, tacked along with a 6 day lockout like they plan on doing with the other zones.

Everyone assume people who dont play hardcore and raid want things to be handed to them. Which is never the case. They just want teh ability to earn gear, without having to spend all their coin on it.

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Old 05-04-2005, 04:29 PM   #8
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The point of raiding is not that every member of a raid gets loot every time they raid.  It's not going to happen, unless you consider giant meat to be loot.  You don't get a "thanks for attending" gift for going to a raid.  Guilds generally don't give loot to outsiders -- not out of greed, but because it's practical.   Giving loot to people who are not in the guild does not further the goal of making guild members stronger to enable them to take on progressively harder encounters.

If you are not happy with the concept of raiding without expecting loot while at the same time accumulating debt fast when learning a new encounter then raiding is not for you.

And no, it doesn't change your opinion, nor does it have to.  However you might have to accept that your opinion is not that of the general raiding community and as such you are not likely to get what you desire, unless you are willing to host and/or attend pickup raids. 

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