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Old 12-12-2004, 12:16 PM   #1
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This message is coming from a newb.... I'm only lvl 20, so I havent fully seen the Coercer's powers. But I've noticed there isn't much post on our forum. And playing Enchanter went from fun to now......too annoying. Everyone mass nuking because I'm in the group, so they feel they can get breeze all the time is annoying. Group haste.....yet another chore.
 
The AE mez sounds pretty much broken.....I hope.....
 
The Charm seems incredibly wak....can't move? Breaks when it's attacked? Wow.....I would of rather had a illusionist pet.
 
I don't know....I'm just really kind of regretting I made an ENC over a mage or wizard. Yea, the mez can come in handy. But my brother has a Guardian, and I see how the groups he is in with no ENC.....they just mega kill stuff, no need for mez. Again this stuff is no higher than 25.
 
/rant off
 
*I'm a one toon kind of guy......and if I started now I"d feel too late in the game, but I'm truly considering retiring my coercer and looking towards a 'better' class- not of the enchanter type, screw crappy mez and breeze, and crappy haste......I'd rather just nuke my [Removed for Content] off for insane dps I think!..../cry
 
/rant off for reals this time.
 
 
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Old 12-13-2004, 12:53 AM   #2
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I'm a level 29 Coercer right now and I love it.  Easily the best character in the game. Here are a few reasons:
 
1.  You can find groups easily.  It's one of the rarest classes and every group loves to have you.
2.  Once you start fighting hard things, mez is crucial.  In some spots if there is just one other aggro'd creature, your group will wipe unless you mez it.
3.  Breeze allows your group keep going and not have to med as fast.  Thus you get XP faster.  It also makes the healers so they don't OOM as fast.
4.  Secondary healers aren't needed.  If you have just one good healer, you should be fine. This leaves room for more DPS which again means you can kill things faster and get more XP.
 
I found playing a Coercer terribly fun to play.  Maybe you just aren't playing him right?  The class takes a certain amount if skill, and I'm very good at what I do so I get group invites everytime I logon.  Don't worry about breezing every person.  Focus on you, the healer, and whoever's power bar is getting low.  If you do spread out your breezes in between spells it won't seem like such a chore to do.
 
If you don't like the Coercer, try making a necro.  The most worthless, and popular class in the game.  See how many groups you get when there are 3-4 other Necros LFG already.   Or try making a SK.  Another dime-a-dozen trendy class.
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Old 12-13-2004, 12:54 AM   #3
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I'm a level 29 Coercer right now and I love it.  Easily the best character in the game. Here are a few reasons:
 
1.  You can find groups easily.  It's one of the rarest classes and every group loves to have you.
2.  Once you start fighting hard things, mez is crucial.  In some spots if there is just one other aggro'd creature, your group will wipe unless you mez it.
3.  Breeze allows your group keep going and not have to med as fast.  Thus you get XP faster.  It also makes the healers so they don't OOM as fast.
4.  Secondary healers aren't needed.  If you have just one good healer, you should be fine. This leaves room for more DPS which again means you can kill things faster and get more XP.
 
I found playing a Coercer terribly fun to play.  Maybe you just aren't playing him right?  The class takes a certain amount if skill, and I'm very good at what I do so I get group invites everytime I logon.  Don't worry about breezing every person.  Focus on you, the healer, and whoever's power bar is getting low.  If you do spread out your breezes in between spells it won't seem like such a chore to do.
 
If you don't like the Coercer, try making a necro.  The most worthless, and popular class in the game.  See how many groups you get when there are 3-4 other Necros LFG already.   Or try making a SK.  Another dime-a-dozen trendy class.
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Old 12-13-2004, 03:09 AM   #4
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uh whats the point? you want me to convice you its fun or what? reroll or dont...i made a priest at first rerolled to a chanter and never looked back.. happens all the time man
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Old 12-14-2004, 04:29 AM   #5
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This message is coming from a newb.... I'm only lvl 20, so I havent fully seen the Coercer's powers. But I've noticed there isn't much post on our forum. And playing Enchanter went from fun to now......too annoying. Everyone mass nuking because I'm in the group, so they feel they can get breeze all the time is annoying. Group haste.....yet another chore.
 
The AE mez sounds pretty much broken.....I hope.....
 
The Charm seems incredibly wak....can't move? Breaks when it's attacked? Wow.....I would of rather had a illusionist pet.
 
I don't know....I'm just really kind of regretting I made an ENC over a mage or wizard. Yea, the mez can come in handy. But my brother has a Guardian, and I see how the groups he is in with no ENC.....they just mega kill stuff, no need for mez. Again this stuff is no higher than 25.
 
/rant off
 
*I'm a one toon kind of guy......and if I started now I"d feel too late in the game, but I'm truly considering retiring my coercer and looking towards a 'better' class- not of the enchanter type, screw crappy mez and breeze, and crappy haste......I'd rather just nuke my [Removed for Content] off for insane dps I think!..../cry
 
/rant off for reals this time.

 

 

I would reccomend going with an Illusionist.. Sure your going to get sick of breeze/haste but at least with the Illusionist yer AOE mezz/nukes are much better.

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Old 12-14-2004, 04:57 AM   #6
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Ol'boy wrote:

This message is coming from a newb.... I'm only lvl 20, so I havent fully seen the Coercer's powers. But I've noticed there isn't much post on our forum. And playing Enchanter went from fun to now......too annoying. Everyone mass nuking because I'm in the group, so they feel they can get breeze all the time is annoying. Group haste.....yet another chore.
 
The AE mez sounds pretty much broken.....I hope.....
 
The Charm seems incredibly wak....can't move? Breaks when it's attacked? Wow.....I would of rather had a illusionist pet.
 
I don't know....I'm just really kind of regretting I made an ENC over a mage or wizard. Yea, the mez can come in handy. But my brother has a Guardian, and I see how the groups he is in with no ENC.....they just mega kill stuff, no need for mez. Again this stuff is no higher than 25.
 
/rant off
 
*I'm a one toon kind of guy......and if I started now I"d feel too late in the game, but I'm truly considering retiring my coercer and looking towards a 'better' class- not of the enchanter type, screw crappy mez and breeze, and crappy haste......I'd rather just nuke my [Removed for Content] off for insane dps I think!..../cry
 
/rant off for reals this time.

 

 

I would reccomend going with an Illusionist.. Sure your going to get sick of breeze/haste but at least with the Illusionist yer AOE mezz/nukes are much better.




Only good thing about the Illusionist is the AOE Stun! Other than that, I would rather be a Coercer. Group Clarity, Haste and strong DD's are where its at. AOE and Mez don't mix and is situational at best. DoTs and DD's are the way to go....just my personal preferance anyway.
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Old 12-14-2004, 08:18 PM   #7
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23 Coercer here and I'm having fun with it.
 
As far as the over-nukers, you should learn not only Crowd-Control, but Party-Control. For instance, if a wizard is over nuking and gaining aggro, I don't breeze him. The most important peeps to keep breeze on are the healer, usually the tank (although this can cause aggro on you), and sometimes myself (depends if I'm also doing DPS).
 
I'll hit 24 tonight, and experiment w/ AE mez, so until I have first hand xp with it, I don't have an opinion on it.
 
As far as your Guardian brother, I think it depends on what their fighting. I get tells from my guild all the time, stating that they need a chanter for this or that.
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Old 12-15-2004, 05:04 AM   #8
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Lucidss wrote:
...... Everyone mass nuking because I'm in the group, so they feel they can get breeze all the time is annoying. 
 
/rant off for reals this time.

 
It doesnt sound like he is complaining about nukers getting aggro, just having to cast breeze all the time because the DPS squad is making use of the extra mana he is capable of giving em.  :smileytongue:

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Old 12-15-2004, 08:31 AM   #9
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:smileyhappy: we get AoE stun at 50 SMILEY

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Old 12-19-2004, 04:59 AM   #10
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Im only a lvl 22 Coercer but having great fun. I have notice we can be of great use to a party.I dont want to bragg but we can easly turn the tide of a battle with our crowd control magics.
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Old 12-19-2004, 06:38 AM   #11
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Bravnik wrote:

Only good thing about the Illusionist is the AOE Stun! Other than that, I would rather be a Coercer. Group Clarity, Haste and strong DD's are where its at. AOE and Mez don't mix and is situational at best. DoTs and DD's are the way to go....just my personal preferance anyway.

I think you may need to envistigate the use of mez and AoE's more.  They are far from situational and mez and AoE's work beautifully together with the proper instruction to your groups.  Both types of damage are used a lot from my experience.  I use more AoE's in Runnyeye than I use DD's.  There are just so many encounters that are AoE there.  On the single target fights I usually am stifle/draining, doting and mezing.  By the time I do all that i don't have power or time to DD anyways.  However in AoE fights (tons of goblin and eye AoE pulls in there), I have nothing to do but AoE or mez a boss mob within the AoE encounter.

Green icon AoE's don't break mez.

AoE Dots don't break mez if landed AFTER you mez (talk to your AoE doters and make them wait for a macro to let them know when it's safe).

Last few times I was there we had 1-2 wizards and myself and we pulled 2-3 times faster running beyond the miners than a group that had 2 assassins in the wizard slot.  That was due to AoE.  Pulling the armorer, chef and shift boss pulls (they all have 4 goblins helping) I just mez the boss and AE the rest.  The single healer we had barely used power so we just kept going.  The times the boss isn't mez'ed (melee who doesn't listen, or wizard who dots too soon) we had no power at the end.

Anyways, learn the tools of the game and you'll improve.

 
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Old 12-19-2004, 07:17 PM   #12
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This is a forum post about a guy not havin fun as coercer. Its not here for u to personally argue over wether u think the Coercer or Illusionist rocks more than the other. Have some respect for the guy posting and don't turn the thread into a burning toilet of flames please!
 
btw i will be enchanter this afternoon in freeport and will try for coercer if i like it.....its never too late to make a new character man, i see tons at the Isle of Refuge every time i'm there so don't think its too late and you'll be behind cause once everyone hits 50 they make a new guy and they are 1 again hehe.
 
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Old 12-21-2004, 06:15 AM   #13
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All I have to say is in imho I love being a Coercer, and I am happy I chose the class. Everyone is not going to love the same class, that's why there is a variety of classes to choose from. If it doesn't work out for you try something else. It is very easy to level from 1-30. 
 
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Old 12-22-2004, 10:45 PM   #14
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Playing a Coercer is easy and boring.  BUT being a GOOD Coercer is very fun and is very challenging.  I will not begin to compare the different classes and which one is the most needed, but a good Coercer is a major value to any group that wants to kill.  Can you do it without us?  Yep, but can you do it better with us?  Many times the answer is yes.
 
The difference is wether or not you want to work at being a good Coercer or just a simple run-of-the-mill one?
 
 
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Old 12-22-2004, 11:14 PM   #15
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Coercer is boring?  Can I have what you are smoking please???   Coercer is what you make it.  If you think you are a breeze [Removed for Content] and cast non stop keeping 6 people refreshed at all times and have almost no time to cast anything else than yes its boring.  When you use breeze the way its supposed to be used.. during special situations and use your Dots, nukes, stifles, mezzes, stuns.. (I can go on), you will be CONSTANTLY doing something.  I have played ALL the classes and Coercer is one of the ONLY classes that will keep you on your toes from beginning to end.  I wont even mention soloing.... Coercers are ANIMALS when it comes to the solo department.. Just killing machines. 
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