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Old 07-09-2008, 10:49 AM   #31
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rayban442 wrote:
It always amazes me how MMO players seem to become less and less like the heroic characters they play, the longer they play. Once again Greed before anything. I mean come on, it's a freakin title.
It's not a matter of being greedy. It's a matter of not feeling appreciated for being loyal while people who quit the game get rewarded for doing so.Yea, It's just a title.it's also just a cloak when expansion comes out.It's also just 60 days of free game play.It's also just free in game items.It's also just a discount on the next expansion.It's also just free access to an expansion that we payed full money for.It's always "just" something, but it adds up. It's not that we mind them giving the people things to try and get them back, but at the same time, how about rewarding the people who have been here the whole time too? Something maybe to say "Hey guys, thanks."... and giving a free month for every person you have to shill EQ2 to isn't it.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:12 AM   #32
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Actually everyone gets a free cloak when they buy the next expansion, pulled from the living legacy website

Granted Upon Purchase and Release of the Next EQII Expansion Pack

  • Cloak of the Void -  A specially-designed cloak created exclusively for the upcoming expansion
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Originally Posted by Smed: I've been a regular lurker on this site for a while but I wanted to step in here and dispel something that's just plain not true - I don't have my name highlighted here, but anyone that doubts it's me can email me at [email protected] and I'll happily reply. We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement. In any event, I wanted to stop in and at least set the record straight - you aren't going to be seeing RMT allowed on the non-exchange enabled servers.

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Old 07-09-2008, 11:22 AM   #33
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Actually everyone gets a free cloak when they buy the next expansion, pulled from the living legacy website

Granted Upon Purchase and Release of the Next EQII Expansion Pack

  • Cloak of the Void -  A specially-designed cloak created exclusively for the upcoming expansion
it's listed under "unique items for all newly recruited players" and returning players, not current players. You can also tell by going to an account that has been reactivated, it will show the cloak of the void on the account (with a "requires Shadow Oddesey" )next to it. That reward is not on an account that was currently subscribed.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:01 PM   #34
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Her armor does rock, but that's not an in-game set. Artists get leeway when doing concepty things. ...and no. you wouldn't get that stuff at this point.
Awwww Now I have "Dark Elf Wizard" Going through my head. Need new Skeletal models, more important then Raid stuff ;þ
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:33 PM   #35
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As some others have pointed out it is not greed that has people complaining, it is feeling like we are getting a slap in the face, I had to leave for about 1 year due to personal reasons when KoS came out I came back January last year and haven't looked back seince I have purchased twice (my husband plays too) the bace game, all exspantions, and the adventure pacs plus the monthly fees, do I think that we deserve something more then the game nope, what I do expect is to be treated like I mater, if they want to run this promo great I think the game could use a population boost, but if the new/returning people sub before the time runs out then they get to keep all the RoK stuff and get something that my husband and I won't even have a chance to earn just because WE have paid to play the game for so long, this isn't an item you get for preordering it is an item you get for creating a new account during the event; thoes of us that have played for years don't even get a chance at it, I have no ill will to the returning players this is a great game I'm not even mad at the developers this go past them to thier mareketing people, I'm glad they are finaly doing something to advertise this game here is what it all comes down to...

DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE EXISTING PLAYER BACE

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Old 07-09-2008, 02:48 PM   #36
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At first I was excited....ok I'll bring out that new character I was holding off making and do the contest.....then the disappointment...only NEW accounts. SMILEY  Sigh* I've been here since launch, and have 2 accounts.  Sigh*  Can we have something for this live event, too?  I have an idea...why not give all us long timers an nice sexy concept outfit SMILEY  That might take the edge off.  Anyway, I'm sure by now you get the idea that the longtimers are feeling like a stepchild at this point for this Legendary Event, like we only get to watch.
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Everyone complaining reminds me a lot of my little brother when we were younger. Every year on my birthday he'd throw a huge tantrum, claiming our parents didn't love him as much as me because they didn't get him any presents or a cake too. And, when they tried to console him and explain that he'd be getting gifts on his birthday, he'd demand to know exactly when and what he was getting or he'd launch right back in to another fit.SOE has never said they weren't going to recognize the veteran players. In my personal opinion, much of what they've done already satisfies me. But, everyone's needs are different.So just relax and wait till the Living Legacy promotion is over before throwing the tantrums. In a nutshell.. Its not your turn yet. Be patient.
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Do we have confirmation this is new or returning (whichever) players only?  I have a char I just started and will gladly delete and start over again if it means being able to get the title.  Would be silly to miss a title by a few days that only will take about 6 hours to get.  If it is not for pre-existing accounts though, it would be silly to start him over if I don't get anything for doing so.
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:00 PM   #39
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So just relax and wait till the Living Legacy promotion is over before throwing the tantrums. In a nutshell.. Its not your turn yet. Be patient.

Tired argument already defeated by the SoE staff in the big long thread.  There is nothing unique coming for veteran players.  The most we can hope for is to be included in a few of these events they are running for the new / returning players and it looks like we are being left out of most of those.

All we can do is recruit other players for free playtime which probably won't apply to station access players just like every other free playtime promotion.  On top of that, how you recruit someone and get your time logged appears to be a little unclear.  Not sure myself as I don't care.  I have been trying to get my friends into EQ2 since long before the promotion.  All the gimicks in the world won't compete with the viral marketing that has been done against EQ2 and SoE in general.  It gets harder and harder to compete against that marketing with recent changes and the way this promotion is being run.

The laughing and "I told you so" about SoE's customer service policies is very hard to argue with.  You think returning / new players haven't heard bad things about how SoE treats their customers (which I have always held was completely false)?  You think this promotion doesn't prove they were right (which makes me the fool for defending them doesn't it)?  If you think either of those things you are deluding yourself.  Customer service matters to people, and SoE has just reinforced all the bad ever said about them with this promotion.

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It'd sure be nice to be rewarded for continuing to play instead of all the new players. I wonder if Gnorbin will reward those of us who have continued to pay his bills over the last few years.nah SMILEY
Yer shooting the messenger.
I'd like to have some of those new titles, perhaps you should mention this then to the powers that be that some of us who've been here awhile feel like we're being taken for granted.
Done.No, I'm not being goofy. I've made note of the instant feedback with the folks who need to know.[This does not imply that there is any pending change, or that I gave someone the smack down.]
Thank you for relaying our feedback.  While we may not like being left out of all the bonuses that have been relegated to new/returning players only, I know I'm not the only one that appreciates that our feedback is being listened to and routed to the appropriate people.
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Customer service matters to people, and SoE has just reinforced all the bad ever said about them with this promotion.

Actually, unless you meant to use different terminology, the Customer Service folks at SOE EQ/EQ2 had absolutely nothing to do with this promotion. Those are the folks you talk to on the phone or in game to fix your account or a game issue such as being stuck.You want to aim your rotten fruit and vegetables at the marketing folks if this really bothers you that much. SMILEY
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:17 PM   #42
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Customer service matters to people, and SoE has just reinforced all the bad ever said about them with this promotion.

Actually, unless you meant to use different terminology, the Customer Service folks at SOE EQ/EQ2 had absolutely nothing to do with this promotion. Those are the folks you talk to on the phone or in game to fix your account or a game issue such as being stuck.You want to aim your rotten fruit and vegetables at the marketing folks if this really bothers you that much. SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15">

Customer service in this standpoint (and in the standpoint of normal conversation with normal people who often use the wrong word for things) is SoE's general attitude toward its paying customers.  It is the general attitude of the company towards their paying customers in all aspects of the service they pay for.  I have argued against complaints about server up times, true customer service call ins, GM responses, developer favoritism, game direction, and release of free in game content.  All of this tends to fall under that elusive category of... how much does the company love me and how good of a job do they do or "customer service" as people shorten it to.

Yes that covers just about every department some of which aren't even EQ2 specific!  I have always been a SoE defender.  I have tried to explain that I have never had an experience where SoE failed to take care of its customers in any form.  Even some of the worst things I have been through I have defended them through because what they did made sense and had good reasons.  Some of these were a 3 day roll back in EQ1, daily server reboots in EQ2 when we were still forced to do on-line selling and again after one of the recent expansions (EoF I believe), complaints of poor GM responses to situations, complaints of bugs, etc. 

Don't think I haven't gone out of my way to defend SoE at every turn as a company who is just trying to do the best they can for their customers.  Now all my arguments are defeated by a simple... "So has SoE given their loyal customers the same benefits as the returning / new players?  After all, it wouldn't cost them anything to include you guys would it?"  I have no answer for that, because they are right.  And as they knowingly nod about how evil and horrible SoE is all I can say is... "Well up until now they have always been fair and sensible."  That would be great if I was trying to recruit people to go back in time and play but I am not.  Who wants to join a community where they will be excluded from content just for being a part of it?

*edit* I am not throwing rotten vegetables at anyone.  If they can't handle their own promotion stated in the clear and simple terms it exists in, then that is their problem not mine.  I know the promotion for what it is, and freely admit that is what it is.  This promotion is entirely geared towards new and returning players.  Their is no sugar coating to change that.  Existing subs are being excluded from all content but that which we would have gotten anyway without the promotion (live events are standard before an expansion).  People need to let go of their whispy "we have something coming soon" BS as the mods have said it ain't happening.  If we get anything out of this promotion it is entirely because SoE finally agreed to change the promotion based on the feedback from the community.

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People need to let go of their whispy "we have something coming soon" BS as the mods have said it ain't happening.  If we get anything out of this promotion it is entirely because SoE finally agreed to change the promotion based on the feedback from the community.

Sorry to be nit picky again.. the "mods" or "moderators" are volunteers who manage the forums and nothing to do with Marketing or Customer Service. SMILEYI see your point.. but I'm part of that "third crowd" who isn't expecting anything or ever was expecting anything from this promotion except seeing a bunch of old friends return. Call me shallow I suppose.
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People need to let go of their whispy "we have something coming soon" BS as the mods have said it ain't happening.  If we get anything out of this promotion it is entirely because SoE finally agreed to change the promotion based on the feedback from the community.

Sorry to be nit picky again.. the "mods" or "moderators" are volunteers who manage the forums and nothing to do with Marketing or Customer Service. SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />I see your point.. but I'm part of that "third crowd" who isn't expecting anything or ever was expecting anything from this promotion except seeing a bunch of old friends return. Call me shallow I suppose.

In this case your nitpicking is actually incorrect.  The mods who post on these forums (specifically Grimwell who posted in the big thread clarifying) are our ONLY source of information relating to this.  They do "have something to do with Marketing or Customer Service" as noted in this thread where Grimwell once again stated he has passed on our concerns to them.  That is in fact having something to do with them, and once again are our communication conduit to them.  My statement remains as it is, the mods (our only source of information) have said it ain't happening.  It is not in the works, and it is not in the plans.  There is no secret event coming up for us and they have said so.  We get the standard world events we would have gotten anyway nothing more.  We don't even get to be included in stupid little contests like this one going on now.

My statement was 100% correct as written.

And there is a big difference between expecting something and noting a problem.  SoE has handed a large amount of ammunition to their detractors.  I am glad you are complacently happy with this.  I personally love this game enough, and like SoE enough to point out what they should already know but obviously missed.  SoE's name is not very good in the market, and this promotion only reinforces what many are saying about them.

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People need to let go of their whispy "we have something coming soon" BS as the mods have said it ain't happening.  If we get anything out of this promotion it is entirely because SoE finally agreed to change the promotion based on the feedback from the community.

Sorry to be nit picky again.. the "mods" or "moderators" are volunteers who manage the forums and nothing to do with Marketing or Customer Service. SMILEY<img src=" />I see your point.. but I'm part of that "third crowd" who isn't expecting anything or ever was expecting anything from this promotion except seeing a bunch of old friends return. Call me shallow I suppose.
If someone tells me, multiple times, there isn't anything under the basket on the table and even lifts the basket up for me to see an empty table, I might just start to believe him.But, sure... it could be a David Copperfield type of thing, too.
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I am going to attempt again to get some information about the contest:

What rules apply?

Can we use xp potions and can we be mentored and still be within rights to the title?

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Geez, MMO's the game for the 'ME' generation. I've been a customer for a long time. I feel no need to get things just because someone that just starts today does.

Maybe since I've been such a long loyal customer I should get my choice of any weapon or armor item in the game, just because I pay my bill every month. I bet people would sing a different tune then.

Personally, I hope they get more people and that they don't get treated like second class players. That's what kept Vanguard from going anywhere. I'd sure hate to see that here.

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I understand it might feel like the old timers got the shaft here, but I think everyone should just relax and enjoy what they have, not what they could have got if they quit the game. It's a wonderfully comical message that SOE send out with this promotion, not so much in it's intended goal, but in the very execution...  It's also a bit of a cheap "reward/competition", taking only a single sitting to rush through the plentiful lower level content starting with TD, you can get to 20 in a couple of hours. In fact, the other night someone declared that they did just that.What might be nice for the longtime subscribers is something of a lifetime subscription offer. One paymet, and no more subscription fees ever again. This seemed to work quite well for LOTRO with their founder subscriptions, and I think they even offered it a second time during their 1 year anniversary events. I guess the logic behind it is that the company gets a burst of capital to invest in future development and marketing to reach new plays, as well as almost guaranteeing that their server populations are going to stay healthy.Personally, I'd be happy with some outfits that we see in concept art and LoN.
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My biggest complaint regarding SOE and EQ2 was lack of promotion.  I'm thrilled these initiatives have been taken.The complaints that I have read here and other complaints elsewhere in these forums often boil down to one common denominator: Instant Gratification.Personally, I am not in that school of thought.  Pacing my exploration of Norrath is slow on purpose.  Receiving rewards for my exploration comes slowly as a result.  So I am positively thrilled when I unexpectedly see that I have earned my next set of Veteran Rewards.  Those things that players get for sticking with the game.I see nothing at all flawed with this current set of summer promotions.  Is there more instant gratification for the new/returning player?  You betcha!  And it is on purpose.Would I have liked some of those benefits?  Sure.  Am I going to get them?  Not likely.  Will I quite EQ2 over it?  Of course not.
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you know i wanted that cool title so i made a monk and got her to 20 in about 3 days...lol then i read the forums...i was crushed..but oh well i have another character that i can play besides my shadowknight.
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Like most comments..  I am a bit disappointed.  I think they should have made the players that continue playing & paying 'The Living Legacy', and reward them. 

This whole campaign makes me think of lame guys pursuing their old high school crushes that did not even know who they were.  People that left either got tired of the game, or found something better.  Waving gifts at them will not make them all of a sudden realize what a great thing you are...  What pathetic nerd thought this idea up?

Instead of spending all this time and energy on people that no longer play...  Find out why people like me are still paying & playing and build on that.  Listen to your 'paying customers'.  Make this game better for those that have tested, beta'd, and spent 4 years of their life getting fatter by the monitor so you all would in SOE would have a job.

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i have created characters on new and old accounts between yesterday and today, and not one of them got the new quest?
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People need to let go of their whispy "we have something coming soon" BS as the mods have said it ain't happening.  If we get anything out of this promotion it is entirely because SoE finally agreed to change the promotion based on the feedback from the community.

Sorry to be nit picky again.. the "mods" or "moderators" are volunteers who manage the forums and nothing to do with Marketing or Customer Service. SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />I see your point.. but I'm part of that "third crowd" who isn't expecting anything or ever was expecting anything from this promotion except seeing a bunch of old friends return. Call me shallow I suppose.

In this case your nitpicking is actually incorrect.  The mods who post on these forums (specifically Grimwell who posted in the big thread clarifying) are our ONLY source of information relating to this.  They do "have something to do with Marketing or Customer Service" as noted in this thread where Grimwell once again stated he has passed on our concerns to them.  That is in fact having something to do with them, and once again are our communication conduit to them.  My statement remains as it is, the mods (our only source of information) have said it ain't happening.  It is not in the works, and it is not in the plans.  There is no secret event coming up for us and they have said so.  We get the standard world events we would have gotten anyway nothing more.  We don't even get to be included in stupid little contests like this one going on now.

My statement was 100% correct as written.

And there is a big difference between expecting something and noting a problem.  SoE has handed a large amount of ammunition to their detractors.  I am glad you are complacently happy with this.  I personally love this game enough, and like SoE enough to point out what they should already know but obviously missed.  SoE's name is not very good in the market, and this promotion only reinforces what many are saying about them.

Um, in that same post from the "MoDs" that said, according to you, we are not getting anything ALSO said that if it was not for this promotion they would of had a much smaller budget for these updates. In fact the promotion budget was providing them the money for many of the things we are coming out with this promotion.What would we have "Normally" gotten without the promotion is the question, well looking at the update history of this game and pre-expansion events. I would say we might of gotten 1 new Heroic Zone, the live events would have only given 1 possible reward not a hole list of them, and thats only the things I can think of right off the bat.
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Like most comments..  I am a bit disappointed.  I think they should have made the players that continue playing & paying 'The Living Legacy', and reward them. 

This whole campaign makes me think of lame guys pursuing their old high school crushes that did not even know who they were.  People that left either got tired of the game, or found something better.  Waving gifts at them will not make them all of a sudden realize what a great thing you are...  What pathetic nerd thought this idea up?

Instead of spending all this time and energy on people that no longer play...  Find out why people like me are still paying & playing and build on that.  Listen to your 'paying customers'.  Make this game better for those that have tested, beta'd, and spent 4 years of their life getting fatter by the monitor so you all would in SOE would have a job.

It's more like a 350Lb nerd going back to his or her High School Reunion after losing about 150 pounds, turning the rest of that weight into muscle, and becoming a Multi-Millionaire.This game is VERY different then when the many of these players left the game. Showing those that left what has changed is not desperation of a "High School Crush"; it is like a Theme Park that knocked replaced many of it's rides and then goes to many of the people that used to get season passes but don't anymore and saying "come see what has changed with us"
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I have few questions to ask about this 'invite' program going on. When you invite and they aceept what content do they get access too? I was under impression they would be able to play all the races. Also of the 2 invites that accepted they are not getting the quest 'The Great Channege' offered on either one of these accts. so please explain what can someone expect when I invited and they can't explore more. One of persons I invite can't even leave the ilse so something nots right about this....how the great mentor exp gain suppose to wrok if they can't leave the ilse. Something else that bugs me through this invitation is why are they treated like potential botters? I can't even trade with them. I want them have the best newb can get by giving them some stuff but can't. this not working out they way I had hoped it would so any info would nice.
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I can answer that for you Cinnimon. Some of the invitation stuff is not working out as intended. Your friends were supposed to get a shot at the full game, but instead are stuck in "Play the Fae" mode -- which is a trial account with trial limitations. The good news is that the right folks are aware of this and scrambling now to make it better. Not that we are all excited that something went wrong, but this is getting very high levels of attention. I hope to have a real update about it being fixed in fair time. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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SOE has never said they weren't going to recognize the veteran players. In my personal opinion, much of what they've done already satisfies me. But, everyone's needs are different.So just relax and wait till the Living Legacy promotion is over before throwing the tantrums. In a nutshell.. Its not your turn yet. Be patient.
Oh really?http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...96&#4689232What's really funny is that here, as in the initial stages of the promotion, it wouldn't cost SOE anything to give the in game "shineys" to existing players.  It would have been a cool event.  That they didn't is almost criminally stupid.  It doesn't really serve any purpose but to tick people off.  Where granting all players a chance at this event would have created all these new alts that people might have become attached to and played, making SOE more money.
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:22 PM   #58
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in my honset opinion, i don't care either way, yes it would be cool to have the ability to get all this cool stuff, but on the other hand,it is helping to grow our everquest2 community and i think that is even better, and those of you who say we don't get a thing out of this? hehe, well #1. we are getting bonus xp on thee weekends, we are getting loads of new content anyways, they could of given us cruddy rewards for live events but gave us some pretty cool ones, and lastly, if any of you have dared to look at the liveing legacy events schedual, then you would see that some time in augest i believe, there is "the evolution of everquest, a massive in game experience" almost 2 mil people have been selected to join, and i have a feeling that those 2 mil are those loyal to this game, so don't whine, your turn will come,  and on a higher note, soe is also still in the makeing of things for us, so don't criticize them for something that doesn't call for criticizeing them for, they are just promoteing the game as i said earlier, if you want to look at this from a more selfish note, more people to help get your epic SMILEY so i hope you remember these words from your favorite halfling assasin,

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