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Old 09-12-2007, 12:50 AM   #31
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you should read it. i agree with the post mostly. i still have fun ya but you cant really say hes lieing. thats why i posted it here. original copy is on mmorpg.com.
the problem is that he seems to have entirely too much knowledge about the game to be "i'm a poor noob that just started eq2 for the first time"

i dunno....as a player with a little experience i would have done things a little different from him, especially all that harvesting although i admit harvesting is a good way to earn income on a new server and its often the advice given to you if you dont like crafting.

im guessing he rolled a clothie (summoner or something) and had trouble. we all know which classes dont mesh well in pvp. noobs dont. youd be suprised how clueless some people are. met a 54 guardian on a pvp server a week ago and didnt know spells went past adept 1. imho some classes should NOT be played unless you have money to get gear asap, not later.

i have met players that had no clue there is a bank or you can store your money...(this one happens alot)

Today a level 24 bard didnt know how to get from TS docks to antonica....and then to meet the rest of us at Blackburrow lol. i went and got him. he also didnt understand why you cant fly from ANT to TS...the guy had good gear too.....explain that one....(no i didnt ask, none of my business, but i have a good idea)

alot of the players ive met also trying it out that have played eq2 on pve for a while and are bored...(ive noticed they survive much much longer than real new players)

today on nagafen (in 10-19) there was a player extremely irate about harvesting and didnt understand that he needed to raise his skill in the beginning zones to be able to harvest in antonica..and thought it was "BS" you had to raise ya skill hehe.

and, in defense of some players, i grouped with a 19 guard on one of my twinks, his name is umm...crazyhuey or something. the poor guy has the worst gear and he done one heck of a job in ant pvp'ing with us (against a group of 27s.....) trust me he was a noob and it was obvious but after like telling him 2-3 things he was rockin. i think some people pick it up. and if WoW is the only game youve ever played i bet eq2 is just unreal lol.

If he done the research he said he did it seems pretty standard to me. I still say it all depends on if you have friends in game or find a good guild that will show you the ropes. i was in a guild on venekor lately (wont mention name) and boy was that a mistake. i got killed in pvp and made a comment over guild chat...i vent alot.../shrug and it wasnt even a curse word said period and they were very mad over the comment i made. this guild was supposed to be different groups in all brackets (already made too) that will work together in all respective brackets and pvp together so everyone has a group to roll with, also specific class make-ups were invited just for this purpose. i made one comment about getting owned (happens to us allSMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />) and one little smartbutt made a comment i couldnt ignore so i said good luck and god speed. and ironically, the guild im in on nagafen is the nicest, coolest bunch of players ive ever met in a MMO. will bend over BACKWARDS for any member. The leaders have 70 plat in bank1 just to help newbies or if someone needs a little loan. would i take any? no id feel weird, but still, thats pretty nice.

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:58 AM   #32
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Yes he has a point, but because we are not all the same type of person/video game player, he is not universally correct about what makes a game great.

For me, the fun in joining today would rest in knowing that the efforts I put forth today to gain AA, money, levels, and power will be greatly rewarded in time.   Gaining all that AA/fabled/masters allows me to exert my influence, and as small an influence that it may seem to you, I know for a fact that when I am on nagafen, I am changing the face of norrath by my deeds - good and bad.

In WoW, no one cares what you do.  In EQ2, we have people quitting the game due to my actions.   Now that is power.   This OP went crying all the way back to the other game where no one can have so great an affect on him.

Im starting to see your point and i can kinda agree with your post herbert, but...what about certain classes that dont shine till WAAAAAAAY later, like 60+. Because they are out there. Your a wizzy, and ever since you had 22 AA, which is pretty easy, youve had access to manashield and thats pretty [Removed for Content] nice on pvp server.

alot of classes dont get a luxury ward that doesnt put them in combat, which can lead to total frustrationSMILEY

(wow that alot of AA i hope i dont cross youSMILEY)

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I loved PVP at first. IT was a load of fun.

But the players [Removed for Content] me off. a lot. And no, it's not from dying. It's from all the [I cannot control my vocabulary] whining. It's so bad that it affects PVE SERVERS.

Whine less, fight more. Shut up and kill SMILEY

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Old 09-12-2007, 04:11 AM   #34
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Ok mates Ive read the entire thread and feel strongly enoughto give my point of view on this topic.

First things first, I am a NEW player been playing for about 3 weeks ( feels like a year ). Bit of background first. I have played MMO's for about 7 years. Ive been a MT in all the old plaine raids in EQ1 then moved to Daoc were i was a fairly successful MT in rvr. My troll warrior used to fair well even though warriors used to be below stealthers. I surived these games most proberbly being in the Aussie Infantry were you learn when things dont go your way, learn and adapt.

 Now this is my 3 weeks in EQ2. First thing I read up on the boards and guides, My first mistake was Venekor. I AM a Roleplayer ( heck it is a fantasy GAME ) I enjoy trying to emerse myself in the lore of the world im in. I DAOC we had RPPVP realms which actually were good and had a huge population. The only reason i left Venekor was due to population my time was way to low. Being an Aussie it was brutal playing on a low pop server on off peak. So I moved to nafgen. Keep in mind ( because i read the guides ) I Had already leveled 3 crafters to 20. a Armorer/Scholar/ and Craftsmen on venkeor but i really wanted to pvp lol.

So I started again, this time I rolled a fury as a main named Wayslayer. He is now a tailor and im in the process of leveling a scholar to make my adepts. Money ive found isnt really an issue here as ive made about 10 plat just buy selling rares im not using or making master crafted gear as I skill up. Ive also made Wayslayer a transmuter to help with cash flow. Now I dont think Im an idiot and go into this blindly BUT as soon as i ding 10 I got ganked, I shruged it off ( Im going to level to 13 before I lock, I want SoW).

One thing ive noticed is the community ive found here, specially in the 10-19 is insanley childish. Makes those that play WoW ( played it for 6 months got bored about how basic the game is ) look like fricken Universatiy scholars hehe. So ive decided to turn off the 10-19 channel and just talk to those i meet in game ( which is made the game better for me ). Also [Removed for Content] is up with nobody knowing or using the LFG function? Its a fantastic system that craps over WoW or Daoc version but nobody here uses it, maybe it reflects the mentality of T2 level range ?

Now am I going to keep playing this game ? Yup till atleast Age of Conan. Why you might ask ? Well firstly im enjoying the crafting system also and even though the pvp system used here you can tell is an afterthought as this is a PVE game I found the mechanics quite easy. Yes i lose but I understand i have no chance of winning, There is no SKILL in t2 Pvp unless there equal geared enemys fighting. lol I laugh in RL and shake my head at the attitude of some in this thread who think they have REAL power by ganking lowbies and forcing them to cancel! What a friken stupied thing to say hehe. Thats like a crack addict saying "I pwned the dealer because i smoke my pipe so much hes run out of stock and out of bussiness!".

I dont see a future in the pvp servers here. Seriously an unbiased view here. If you guys keep on culling the new blood here for the POWA! all your doing is making your future pvp fights less and less, Imagine if you will all the level 2 destroyers/slayers are all that are left. you walk into DLW and you will see them all huging the zone wall.

Now in saying what ive said, when you finally get a even fight, the games a blast. Im just treating this game as a hardcore pve game. Even though im on a pvp server I like the fact I have to gear up before i venture out ( more realistic ) and look over my shoulder, adds excitment. And to all those lockers I have this to say. I admire the effort thats gone into you playstyle /salute. I even think your belief in that only easy fights are the only fights you KNOW you will win is understandable considering your mindset BUT understand this...you have no power over me. You can gank me 100 times and all ill do is laugh, why ? because all you are to me is a pve mob SMILEY.

That needs to change if this games pvp servers to survive imo.....and one way going about that is to fix the zone hoping.

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Old 09-12-2007, 04:48 AM   #35
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you should read it. i agree with the post mostly. i still have fun ya but you cant really say hes lieing. thats why i posted it here. original copy is on mmorpg.com.
No, not saying heäs lying. Most of that post is true. But some of it is plain wrong, and what he seems to get wrong are the hard facts. I mean, there is no denying griefing goes on and all that. We all get griefed and do our share of griefing...and there is no denying that the twink armies put off new players. doesnt change the fact that its a huge amount of text, spiced up with errors, that says what has been said quite a few times already, only with a lot more words.

as usual bud i agree with ya. i just wish sony would say something.....anything....heck i wish they would put a popup before you roll on pvp servers and explain this in a light-polite way.....

i just see no logic in them not doing anything whatsoever. i really miss the days when the pvp servers opened lol. we couldnt even lock back then could we?i dont remember

Actually we could lock when the servers came online. Noone did though. I were one of the first ones to actually lock xp, since I always were a fast leveling [Removed for Content], and I had to wait for my guildies. And then I made myself a toon specifically for pvp, and it was locked the entire first summer, and then some, in t3. SMILEY Cause, youknow, back then we had 3-4 raids of both factions in CL/Ant there for pvp alone. Not like todays 3-4 groups in the newbie zones. SMILEY
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This thread almost makes me sad because it shoves in my face what I already knew but wanted to deny.I can hardly play on this game(on Nagafen) anymore..  I remember back in the day when some people locked in t3.. but just enough to have fun.. and some people locked a bit in every tier.  Now all of the sudden(i just took a 9 month hiatus beta testing/play Vanguard(pos) and beta testing WAR & AoC still) the game is wrecked for new players by everyone locking in t2.  Even veteran players like myself feel it ruined.  I mean really.. If I want to start a new character [Removed for Content] do I do?  I am forced to lock at level 10.  From there I have to level locked/slow as hell for AAs just so I am not some random scrub.I remember me and a bud of mine used to camp The Caves all the time on alts.. just for fun and we were like the original level lockers as far as I can tell.. we had probably 1k kills at level 15 or so.. and nobody else did this back then(before aa at level 10 for one thing).  It was hard as hell just to get destroyer at that level cause.. there was no [Removed for Content] slayers at that level.  Now theres groups of lvl 20 dread/champs running amuck ganking the [Removed for Content] out of everything they see.Another thing.. it seems that on this server maturity level went from average of 20+ to average of 14 and below.. Seriously..  When I come home from a long day at work the last thing I want to do is be [Removed for Content] off beyond all hell by a bunch of prepubescent preteens.  And it is impossible to avoid this.I am seriously thinking about rolling on AB to PvE..
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This thread almost makes me sad because it shoves in my face what I already knew but wanted to deny.I can hardly play on this game(on Nagafen) anymore..  I remember back in the day when some people locked in t3.. but just enough to have fun.. and some people locked a bit in every tier.  Now all of the sudden(i just took a 9 month hiatus beta testing/play Vanguard(pos) and beta testing WAR & AoC still) the game is wrecked for new players by everyone locking in t2.  Even veteran players like myself feel it ruined.  I mean really.. If I want to start a new character [I cannot control my vocabulary] do I do?  I am forced to lock at level 10.  From there I have to level locked/slow as hell for AAs just so I am not some random scrub.I remember me and a bud of mine used to camp The Caves all the time on alts.. just for fun and we were like the original level lockers as far as I can tell.. we had probably 1k kills at level 15 or so.. and nobody else did this back then(before aa at level 10 for one thing).  It was hard as hell just to get destroyer at that level cause.. there was no [I cannot control my vocabulary] slayers at that level.  Now theres groups of lvl 20 dread/champs running amuck ganking the [I cannot control my vocabulary] out of everything they see.Another thing.. it seems that on this server maturity level went from average of 20+ to average of 14 and below.. Seriously..  When I come home from a long day at work the last thing I want to do is be [Removed for Content] off beyond all hell by a bunch of prepubescent preteens.  And it is impossible to avoid this.I am seriously thinking about rolling on AB to PvE..
honestly though, you can just not care about locking for aa and gear and level up by quests with xp on, and still kick [Removed for Content]. I did it on my necro, and atm I am 79 aas at 60. I know, there are probably people around with 100 aas, but I dont care too much about that. the first 50 aas really empower your toon, after that, you've really already picked the juicy bits and the more aas you get, the less difference they make.And yeah, the t2 twinks should be dealt with. Myself have a lvl 26 locked toon just to clean out WC once in a while when the lvl 23 twink Qs ruin it for the roughly level appropriate freeps in there. More should do like me. Make toons just to kick the twinks out of the zones. Guard our own so to speak. Since those noobs running around in low levels are the fresh blood to our faction. they may very well grow up and sayve your [Removed for Content] a fwe times.
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:19 AM   #38
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I will be done with this game before another 1-2 years.   I will have had a great eq2 run spanning many years and many great times - action packed and full of adrenaline moments.

If the ability to suit up into extreme domination mode was not possible, it would not be for me.

This is just another great video game in my book, just like EQ1 was.   I did the same thing there - good times!  I'm thankful that they let us play like this.  The best thing about it is the huge advantage I have over most players.   I don't have mom threatening me to cancel my subscription.  I don't have classes to attend that will cut into the time I need to create my character to dominate.   I can take my time, and slowly but surely I will dominate - but only if the game allows a player to do that.

If the game did not permit such a strategy - lay low, build, and then come out and dominate - then I'd probably be bored with the lack of effect that I can have on the world/population.

This is a niche game, and it is understandable why most video game players would hate it.

I love that I can force my will upon other paying customers.

I do think it is totally silly.   I would not build a game this way.  I would build one like WoW, and market it to the masses.   Shallow, simple, and easy.   But I would still play EQ probably.

Oh my, another joke from you? You are a very funny man, Sir!But in case it's not: You can't dominate crap in a F'ing video game, mister. If people get too fed up with some players being overpowered, they will just leave for something else. So if you "dominate" (lol) too much, the developers (you know, the guys that are actually in charge) will just tone you and similar players down (called nerfs), or else all their money from other subscribers is going bye bye. And believe it or not, they do care about that. SMILEY
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:24 AM   #39
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Also [I cannot control my vocabulary] is up with nobody knowing or using the LFG function? Its a fantastic system that craps over WoW or Daoc version but nobody here uses it, maybe it reflects the mentality of T2 level range ?
You can't use the LFG tool on PvP servers because you have to be set to Anonymous, or spies from the opposite side can log in, do a /who, and find out exactly where you and your group are so they can come and kill you. Not to mention that most content in 10-19 is entirely solo. Also that very very few people are in that level range to actually level up. Also on neither of my characters did I lock, nor did I do more than around 3 heritage quests each. Yet, by 69, I still had 100 achievement points. The whole notion that you need to lock to get a good amount of achievement points is an antiquated one. Just don't grind, quest instead.
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Blah, more Doom and Gloom?  I will just ignore it as I always do and continue leading my guild on Venekor as we always have.  We are staying for better or worse, for server merges or server shutdown until we collectively find another game that calls to us.  (And none of the Coming Features do, to be honest.)

And... for the poor Aussie up above, my husband and I (2 out of 3 guild leaders for our guild) live in Guam right now (yay military assignments) and we do not have much trouble finding things to do or people to do them with on Venekor, but then again we are not hardcore PvPers and Venekor's PvE with PvP style appeals to us.

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I find plenty of PvP when i go looking. Quite often too much. Spent most of tonight running from groups.

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Thank god only 5% or so of the population read these forums much less the PvP board. These threads are sad and pathetic, and I actually agree with alot of what the OP said but it is HIS story, it doesn't make it everyones. I've been through many MMOs and PvP is a necessity to keep me on them, it is a playstyle I know and love and it involves being griefed, griefed oh ya and griefed again. It's hard for a person who is used to the console PvE mentality of questing without threat to adjust to a "survival of the fittest" atmosphere. Every game I have been in had threads like this scattered all over the forums because it isn't for everyone.  I bolded that for emphasis, not all newbs will quit, people who know PvP or want to know PvP will stay, the ones who don't may post these things or go back to the blue environment, it's their choice.

Just don't act like this is everyone, or it is some sort of fact that new players can't adapt. We all had to at one point. Walk it off.

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roll a new toon on nagafen and show me how fast you adapt. Venekor has a little griefing, nagafen is a whole different ballgame. tons of people want population i mean this is a mmo after all.....should i have 30 crafters to level 20 before i can step foot on nagafen because i need to "adapt"?

Your definition of "adapting" is suck it up while we beat the living hell out of you for a few weeks/months. Im sorry thats not adapting. thats BS.

doom and gloom? ignore it as usual as you say? i think your server population is gonna slap you in the face. you and i BOTH know that venekor is a month away from being in some serious trouble. the fact is, any of you that thinks this pvp system is fun/adaptable or in any such a way that a *****real***** new player can come in and just pick it up in a "week" as so many say...your fooling yourself, lieing, or have never played real pvp.

like i said earlier, pvp is putting one human against another human....one group against another group...skill/reaction vs skill/reaction....

this system is like going to a WWF ring and having me in one corner and my 2 year old son in the other. then i beat the hell out of him, the crowd BOOOs! me....and i get the microphone and say.."c'mon..nubs he needs to adapt"

get a life and stop ganking greens and sony wouldnt have to do anything at all. some of these people make me sick. there would be no tier2/3 problem if they would just play thier mains. its so hard for you to find these actions justifiable your like a fish out of water just looking for excuses. in a way ill be glad when these servers do die and you have to play a real pvp game where your gonna have a 50% chance of losing when you engage. i bet you quit within a month. whats wrong? 50/50 chance for both parties.....couldnt you adapt?

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Vene is way more newb friendly than Naggy, for the simple fact of population size, that and being more laid back overall.

If your a newb and not enjoying the endless gank squads in Naggy, check out Venekor, sure your still gona have the groups running around. Its just far far less along with a general more mature player base.

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i find it absolutely amazing you believe a player should spend a month in a crafting hole to level "3" crafters just to step foot out of the city gates.

who cares....he needs to "adapt" am i right? ugh..

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FYI you should be able to level 3 crafters to level 20 in 5-6 hours at the most. (Plus harvesting time)
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i dont understand why everyone says make a crafter. i find it terribly easier to just gather the raws/rares and tip a crafter, especailly for the first few tiers.

i take back what i said about nagafen. it has its ups and downs. just one prime example is on venekor i had much harder time getting things i needed. on nagafen there are so many crafters it drives the price down overall. also, if your new and reading this you can go to peoples personal homes and buy the items without a broker fee (which can add up...alot) now this isnt all the time, but sometimes just fyi.

maybe im lucky, maybe not, but i can get about 10ish rares per hour...i find it very easy. i think the guy was exagerating on many levels but i do agree with him on a few things.

*edit - 10 rares x 25-30g each per hour...pretty nice money if you ask me. (speaking from a starting standpoint)

*editx2 - there should be some kind of board in game where we can put up tips/tricks there. or even a sign saying visit the forums for tips/tricks to help you. if people would for example harvest BiC's south of oracle tower instead of other areas in antonica i find the nodes spawn 10x faster and also more spawns=more rares and also the area im speaking of is not under a flight path so no scouts over head. i have so many tips/tricks to help new players but i cant unless i see them in 1-9 channel.

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i dont understand why everyone says make a crafter. i find it terribly easier to just gather the raws/rares and tip a crafter, especailly for the first few tiers.

Because you can make money off making stuff for others and they tip youSMILEY

i take back what i said about nagafen. it has its ups and downs. just one prime example is on venekor i had much harder time getting things i needed. on nagafen there are so many crafters it drives the price down overall. also, if your new and reading this you can go to peoples personal homes and buy the items without a broker fee (which can add up...alot) now this isnt all the time, but sometimes just fyi.

maybe im lucky, maybe not, but i can get about 10ish rares per hour...i find it very easy. i think the guy was exagerating on many levels but i do agree with him on a few things.

*edit - 10 rares x 25-30g each per hour...pretty nice money if you ask me. (speaking from a starting standpoint)

*editx2 - there should be some kind of board in game where we can put up tips/tricks there. or even a sign saying visit the forums for tips/tricks to help you. if people would for example harvest BiC's south of oracle tower instead of other areas in antonica i find the nodes spawn 10x faster and also more spawns=more rares and also the area im speaking of is not under a flight path so no scouts over head. i have so many tips/tricks to help new players but i cant unless i see them in 1-9 channel.

All pvp'rs should read every thread on they'er server and pvp boards even the old ones. knowledge is pvp power and what you dont know kills you over and over
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I've only been at pvp for 2 months now coming from years at a blue server and can honestly say EQ2 was not built for pvp. It has only been adapted to pvp. EQ is so focused on making games that encourage you to group, in pvp it has become the only way to survive. If it wasn't so group focused, we'd have heal potions that are actually worth investing in, and run speed potions that actual give you a chance at getting away from 90% run speed furies/scouts.As it stands now, you're either in a gank squad ganking or being the ganked. It's that black and white.If you love pvp and hate sony, I suggest you try Eve Online, it has some flaws, but can be extremely fun pvp (just be careful around jump gates LOL).
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In EQ2, we have people quitting the game due to my actions.   Now that is power.   This OP went crying all the way back to the other game where no one can have so great an affect on him.
Wow....if that gets you off you must have one hell of a [Removed for Content] up rl.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:47 AM   #52
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While I agree for the most part that new players coming into this game have a huge, huge disadvantage I still think this game is the best.  For me, t2 PvP sucks.  People have 3-5 combat arts, a few buffs and debuffs.  And once twinked out, the game is really really simple.  I can understand the OP frustrations.  If I were new to the game I would have a hard time believing that the game gets better in the later tiers If all I ever witnessed was rolling gank squads.

 Personally, I love T7 PvP.  I have 2 PvP toons in that tier, my first was a Swashi that I have since retired and the one I like the best is my Warlock.  Manashield has made soloing a bit easier.  It has not made me overpowered, but when I am not grouped I don't mind adventuring out solo anymore.

I am all for people playing whatever tier they find enjoyment in.  If I could make one change though it would be this.  I think people should always get experience for PvP kills.  Feel free to lock and get your AA's and farm loot, but each time you kill a player, locked or not locked, you still earn experience.

 I believe this would alleviate some of the hopelessness a new player feels in their early teens.  As most of you know, leveling is not that hard and many twinked out gank squads that get a few hundred kills a night would quickly be moving into tier 3.  Not having an abundance of people being able to stay around level 14, IMO would help the new people out.

Just my thoughts, great discussion though...

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Old 09-12-2007, 11:54 AM   #53
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While I agree for the most part that new players coming into this game have a huge, huge disadvantage I still think this game is the best.  For me, t2 PvP sucks.  People have 3-5 combat arts, a few buffs and debuffs.  And once twinked out, the game is really really simple.  I can understand the OP frustrations.  If I were new to the game I would have a hard time believing that the game gets better in the later tiers If all I ever witnessed was rolling gank squads.

 Personally, I love T7 PvP.  I have 2 PvP toons in that tier, my first was a Swashi that I have since retired and the one I like the best is my Warlock.  Manashield has made soloing a bit easier.  It has not made me overpowered, but when I am not grouped I don't mind adventuring out solo anymore.

I am all for people playing whatever tier they find enjoyment in.  If I could make one change though it would be this.  I think people should always get experience for PvP kills.  Feel free to lock and get your AA's and farm loot, but each time you kill a player, locked or not locked, you still earn experience.

 I believe this would alleviate some of the hopelessness a new player feels in their early teens.  As most of you know, leveling is not that hard and many twinked out gank squads that get a few hundred kills a night would quickly be moving into tier 3.  Not having an abundance of people being able to stay around level 14, IMO would help the new people out.

Just my thoughts, great discussion though...

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Sony should hire this person i really like these ideas. even if the xp earned per kill was 1%, it would be a world of difference. please please someone pass this idea to someone that knows someone that knew someone once that was at a bar once that had a cousin that worked at SoESMILEY
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:13 PM   #54
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Ok mates Ive read the entire thread and feel strongly enoughto give my point of view on this topic.

First things first, I am a NEW player been playing for about 3 weeks ( feels like a year ). Bit of background first. I have played MMO's for about 7 years. Ive been a MT in all the old plaine raids in EQ1 then moved to Daoc were i was a fairly successful MT in rvr. My troll warrior used to fair well even though warriors used to be below stealthers. I surived these games most proberbly being in the Aussie Infantry were you learn when things dont go your way, learn and adapt.

 Now this is my 3 weeks in EQ2. First thing I read up on the boards and guides, My first mistake was Venekor. I AM a Roleplayer ( heck it is a fantasy GAME ) I enjoy trying to emerse myself in the lore of the world im in. I DAOC we had RPPVP realms which actually were good and had a huge population. The only reason i left Venekor was due to population my time was way to low. Being an Aussie it was brutal playing on a low pop server on off peak. So I moved to nafgen. Keep in mind ( because i read the guides ) I Had already leveled 3 crafters to 20. a Armorer/Scholar/ and Craftsmen on venkeor but i really wanted to pvp lol.

So I started again, this time I rolled a fury as a main named Wayslayer. He is now a tailor and im in the process of leveling a scholar to make my adepts. Money ive found isnt really an issue here as ive made about 10 plat just buy selling rares im not using or making master crafted gear as I skill up. Ive also made Wayslayer a transmuter to help with cash flow. Now I dont think Im an idiot and go into this blindly BUT as soon as i ding 10 I got ganked, I shruged it off ( Im going to level to 13 before I lock, I want SoW).

One thing ive noticed is the community ive found here, specially in the 10-19 is insanley childish. Makes those that play WoW ( played it for 6 months got bored about how basic the game is ) look like fricken Universatiy scholars hehe. So ive decided to turn off the 10-19 channel and just talk to those i meet in game ( which is made the game better for me ). Also [I cannot control my vocabulary] is up with nobody knowing or using the LFG function? Its a fantastic system that craps over WoW or Daoc version but nobody here uses it, maybe it reflects the mentality of T2 level range ?

Now am I going to keep playing this game ? Yup till atleast Age of Conan. Why you might ask ? Well firstly im enjoying the crafting system also and even though the pvp system used here you can tell is an afterthought as this is a PVE game I found the mechanics quite easy. Yes i lose but I understand i have no chance of winning, There is no SKILL in t2 Pvp unless there equal geared enemys fighting. lol I laugh in RL and shake my head at the attitude of some in this thread who think they have REAL power by ganking lowbies and forcing them to cancel! What a friken stupied thing to say hehe. Thats like a crack addict saying "I pwned the dealer because i smoke my pipe so much hes run out of stock and out of bussiness!".

I dont see a future in the pvp servers here. Seriously an unbiased view here. If you guys keep on culling the new blood here for the POWA! all your doing is making your future pvp fights less and less, Imagine if you will all the level 2 destroyers/slayers are all that are left. you walk into DLW and you will see them all huging the zone wall.

Now in saying what ive said, when you finally get a even fight, the games a blast. Im just treating this game as a hardcore pve game. Even though im on a pvp server I like the fact I have to gear up before i venture out ( more realistic ) and look over my shoulder, adds excitment. And to all those lockers I have this to say. I admire the effort thats gone into you playstyle /salute. I even think your belief in that only easy fights are the only fights you KNOW you will win is understandable considering your mindset BUT understand this...you have no power over me. You can gank me 100 times and all ill do is laugh, why ? because all you are to me is a pve mob SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />.

That needs to change if this games pvp servers to survive imo.....and one way going about that is to fix the zone hoping.

Anyway Cheers mates

Boruk  - When SoE begins to listen to the rational community about how to improve T2 pvp, things will get better.

but fyi, the people in 10-19 are all levels, not just T2 guys.

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Boruk  - When SoE begins to listen to the rational community about how to improve T2 pvp, things will get better.

but fyi, the people in 10-19 are all levels, not just T2 guys.

Yeah I dont get that I see people that talk [Removed for Content] about level lockers and that teir, but there they are hanging out in the 10-19 chat. Dont they have anything better to do??
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:36 PM   #56
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I guess I just dont get it...I came to this server about a year ago, after just burning out on a blue server.  Raiding labs, DT, & KOS contested on a pve server just took its toll on me, and I wanted something diffrent.  PvP had allready been out for a while, and their were all kinds of twinks then...prolly not as bad as their are now, but still was alot of them.  I finaly hit lvl 70 right around the time EOF came out.  The whole time I remember being in T2-3, I remember avoiding pvp with the twinks.  I wasnt going to blow time and money to compete with these guys in a tier I would only be in for a few days....thats just stupid.  You can lvl to 25 in just a few days play time...My wife also lvled a toon to 70 on the Nagafen server...she did this mostly solo, and only started playing a few months after EOF came out.  I remember her being upset a few times in the lower tiers...but hey...that lasted all of a day at best.  Really, all these people crying about the lvl lockers, making money, farming, crafting, etc to be successful are just wanting handouts imo.  People are lazy, its just human nature.  All these new guys are wanting to go out and pvp as soon as they reach the appropriate lvl for it...yet they do not want to put in the work thats involved to do so.  If you want a game that you can be on an even playing field, go play a FPS or something...not a MMO.  People in MMO's put alot of time and effort into their toons, and thus, deserve to be better than all the other joe blows out their.  LVL up a toon, get out of the low tiers....
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I guess I just dont get it...I came to this server about a year ago, after just burning out on a blue server.  Raiding labs, DT, & KOS contested on a pve server just took its toll on me, and I wanted something diffrent.  PvP had allready been out for a while, and their were all kinds of twinks then...prolly not as bad as their are now, but still was alot of them.  I finaly hit lvl 70 right around the time EOF came out.  The whole time I remember being in T2-3, I remember avoiding pvp with the twinks.  I wasnt going to blow time and money to compete with these guys in a tier I would only be in for a few days....thats just stupid.  You can lvl to 25 in just a few days play time...My wife also lvled a toon to 70 on the Nagafen server...she did this mostly solo, and only started playing a few months after EOF came out.  I remember her being upset a few times in the lower tiers...but hey...that lasted all of a day at best.  Really, all these people crying about the lvl lockers, making money, farming, crafting, etc to be successful are just wanting handouts imo.  People are lazy, its just human nature.  All these new guys are wanting to go out and pvp as soon as they reach the appropriate lvl for it...yet they do not want to put in the work thats involved to do so.  If you want a game that you can be on an even playing field, go play a FPS or something...not a MMO.  People in MMO's put alot of time and effort into their toons, and thus, deserve to be better than all the other joe blows out their.  LVL up a toon, get out of the low tiers....

Your also a scout with track and evac. two major things that can make like easier on a pvp server. i think if you would look around people are trying to put in the effort. i mean....if they werent putting in the effort...do you really think they would say some of the things they do?

i agree with ya, level up past them and then make a twink later, but many gamers want to sample pvp before they get to max level. whats the use to level to max level if you dont have a clue about the pvp before you get there?

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People really need to accept the fact that there is a problem on the PvP servers when it comes to attracting new blood and the "adapt" mentality just aint gonna solve it. PvP servers are in trouble. The amount of flesh blood coming into them is drying up. For me, EQ2 is the best PvE game out there hands down. Where it suffers is PvP (yes I know PvP was an unplanned addition) and there is a huge potential customer base out there that enjoy PvP (main reason Im playing EQ2, while I love good PvE, for me it's pointless without being able to go up against opposing players, guess I like PvE with PvP on the side).I've been through and am still going through the trails of a newish player (highest char is 30) but I'm sticking with it. I begged and dragged a couple of PvP fan friends to move from WoW to come try out EQ2 (they're dying to leave WoW but there's just nothing else out there for them atm). Long story short, I explained as best I could the hardships they would face. I helped them out as much I could with the little cash I had. I made a new char to level with them. I advised against level locking and just said, lets outlevel the T2 range asap and things will be fine. As you can imagine, T2 was a nightmare for them. I convinced them to stick with it. At around  21ish we went to SH. Got camped by twink high teens at the entrance. Eventually they got bored and left. We started our adventure in SH, soon to be wiped out by a high 20 while we were fighting mobs. Went back to Ant, got jumped by 3 high teen twinks and got creamed. These guys were green and grey to us. I say lets quest in TS. Things we looking up until bam bam, killed by 2 high 20's.Ok back to Ant. One twinked 19ish fury wiped us out. Now forget your l2p, forget your adapt nonsense. From the perspective of 2 mature, PvP loving new players with someone that knows the game trying to help them out and desperately trying to tell them "it gets better", they called it a day. Say what you want, but to not accept the fact that PvP the way it is at low levels at the moment is driving away potential new players is just stupid. No new players is never a good thing for a server and for EQ" pvp servers, its getting worse by the day.
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Your also a scout with track and evac. two major things that can make like easier on a pvp server.

Ashk, level 47 Guardian. PvP kills: 42PvP deaths: 35

Soloed almost exclusively from level 1. Tracking sure helped me avoid the PvP /sarcasm

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Old 09-12-2007, 01:13 PM   #60
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Your also a scout with track and evac. two major things that can make like easier on a pvp server.

Ashk, level 47 Guardian. PvP kills: 42PvP deaths: 35

Soloed almost exclusively from level 1. Tracking sure helped me avoid the PvP /sarcasm

paik yer also one of the most experienced and well known players on the pvp servers. c'mon man your a pro at this game and to say otherwise would be foolish. btw i find only 35 deaths by level 47 on a GUARDIAN so impressive it stuns me.
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