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Old 09-10-2007, 04:01 PM   #1
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Did some testing on TEST.  Found that the following Shadow Knight spells even though they are listed as spells do not get any bonus from +spell damage.

Death Circle  This is a aoe dot.  We have another spell that is basically the same that does get the bonus.

Pestilence  This is a dot spell.

Tap Veins  aoe nuke with a life tap.

Fetid Smite small nuke.

Also on our other life tap the spell damage is split between the life tap and the spell damage.  Is this the way it is supposed to be done?

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Old 09-11-2007, 07:33 PM   #2
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Please fix this! Give us a bone here! Let us know whats going on.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:37 PM   #3
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*hands out bones*

I'll make sure someone is looking into this, my impression is that this would be a bug but I need to get someone who knows the nuts and bolts to review it.

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 *Edit: This is in no way a guarantee that these are bugs or that they will be fixed .. only that someone who knows about spells will look into this and take the appropriate action.   My knowledge of SK spells is slim to none*

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Kirstie wrote:

*hands out bones*

I'll make sure someone is looking into this, my impression is that this would be a bug but I need to get someone who knows the nuts and bolts to review it.

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 *Edit: This is in no way a guarantee that these are bugs or that they will be fixed .. only that someone who knows about spells will look into this and take the appropriate action.   My knowledge of SK spells is slim to none*

ROFL, nice reply.All joking aside, thanks to the OP for testing this and finding the issue.  I don't play a SK personally, but will keep an eye on this for my guildies that do, as they will be most concerned about this when the update hits.Edited to add a thanks to Kirstie for the response!
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:51 PM   #5
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Thank you very much for the reply:Sk Line goes.. Death CircleFetid Smite Are the two that are effected in live, but are bugged in Test.. Example Death circle with 255 +spell dmg will gain 10dmg overall ;/Tap ViensPestilenceThese two are ancients It would be very nice if they are effected.. but in live i know they dont scale ;/ chances are slim for those two. ;/
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I Hope the developer is still looking at this post SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />This might help, these are some things I've noticed as a ShadowknightBoth Fetid Smite and Death Circle are placed in the knowledge book under spells; however, they are show up as combat arts by the game because they refer to their resist rates in terms of combat arts (for example Fetid Smite M1 says 40% Easier  while the spell Abominable Anger M1 says 33% harder)I've always known them to be combat arts, so i'm guessing they just got misplaced in the books but i'll leave that up to the developers and spell folk at SOE SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" /> good luck, and hopefully they'll figure out what they should be.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:48 PM   #7
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Wow so glad I seem to have found something to help SKs.

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Old 09-11-2007, 10:48 PM   #8
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Kirstie wrote:
  My knowledge of SK spells is slim to none*

Seems like the common theme at SOE HQ...

BTW, answer me this.. Why in our AA tree do we have a critical heal AA (4th in int line), when our heals proc off damage? This AA totally has no effect on our class whatsoever.

Please remove it from the Sk tree and replace with something thats remotley appropriate to our class.

Also why on earth is our Unholy Strength Buff giving Spell damage and Stamina ? the spell is called Unholy Strength not Unholy Stamina..

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Old 09-11-2007, 11:37 PM   #9
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Pitt Hammerfist wrote:
Kirstie wrote:
  My knowledge of SK spells is slim to none*

Seems like the common theme at SOE HQ...

BTW, answer me this.. Why in our AA tree do we have a critical heal AA (4th in int line), when our heals proc off damage? This AA totally has no effect on our class whatsoever.

Please remove it from the Sk tree and replace with something thats remotley appropriate to our class.

Also why on earth is our Unholy Strength Buff giving Spell damage and Stamina ? the spell is called Unholy Strength not Unholy Stamina..

Nice work Dekeon

First, insulting SOE for what you believe to be an EQ2 programer error is not a smart thing to do... its like saying, "All japanese cartoons are butt-ugly because you saw one episode of Milk-Chan." Ehh... you will get that one day SMILEY.

Anyways, reguarding the "int line" comment... you are looking at the "Crusador" tree.. which applies of both SK AND Palies... And guess what... palies can heal. Just because you can't use a line in the crusador tree, doesn't mean it needs to be stripped. How about asking for a method of making it work for both classes (if indeed it doesn't work for SK).

As for the Unholy Strength line, you are becoming more powerfull at shooting spells... that doesn't seem like strength to you? Be courteous... SK will get loving if you ask nicely, and post accurately, like the OP did.

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SK will get loving if you ask nicely, and post accurately, like the OP did.
I'll believe it when I see it
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Old 09-12-2007, 01:53 AM   #11
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Thank you very much for the reply:Sk Line goes.. Death CircleFetid Smite Are the two that are effected in live, but are bugged in Test.. Example Death circle with 255 +spell dmg will gain 10dmg overall ;/Tap ViensPestilenceThese two are ancients It would be very nice if they are effected.. but in live i know they dont scale ;/ chances are slim for those two. ;/
Death circle doesnt update currently because all damage is applied to the initial attack.  since the initial attack is a melee attack the +combat art damage will apply to it.  Fetid smite is basically a combat art as well and +combat art damage will apply to it.  On live currently this doesn't gain from spell damage since the lifetap is a secondary spell that is instant cast.  I did manage to get Tap Veins to work.  Pestilence is also working although its essentially a triggered spell so its gain is minimal due to that.
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Old 09-12-2007, 03:23 AM   #12
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Aeralik wrote:
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Thank you very much for the reply:Sk Line goes.. Death CircleFetid Smite Are the two that are effected in live, but are bugged in Test.. Example Death circle with 255 +spell dmg will gain 10dmg overall ;/Tap ViensPestilenceThese two are ancients It would be very nice if they are effected.. but in live i know they dont scale ;/ chances are slim for those two. ;/
Death circle doesnt update currently because all damage is applied to the initial attack.  since the initial attack is a melee attack the +combat art damage will apply to it.  Fetid smite is basically a combat art as well and +combat art damage will apply to it.  On live currently this doesn't gain from spell damage since the lifetap is a secondary spell that is instant cast.  I did manage to get Tap Veins to work.  Pestilence is also working although its essentially a triggered spell so its gain is minimal due to that.
Can you please fix wizard's surgeing tempest too? This spell is a dot that stuns target on each tick. The damage part is also triggered so it doesnt get any bonus from +spell damage effect. Also this spell is missing the last tick, please fix it too, thx!
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:09 AM   #13
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Pitt Hammerfist wrote:

BTW, answer me this.. Why in our AA tree do we have a critical heal AA (4th in int line), when our heals proc off damage? This AA totally has no effect on our class whatsoever.

Please remove it from the Sk tree and replace with something thats remotley appropriate to our class.

Would you be happier if you need to put 8 extra AAs into INT to get your Lifetaps crit ? SMILEY

I think most SKs are quiet happy with the current situation.

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Old 09-12-2007, 10:49 AM   #14
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[email protected] wrote:
Pitt Hammerfist wrote:

BTW, answer me this.. Why in our AA tree do we have a critical heal AA (4th in int line), when our heals proc off damage? This AA totally has no effect on our class whatsoever.

Please remove it from the Sk tree and replace with something thats remotley appropriate to our class.

Would you be happier if you need to put 8 extra AAs into INT to get your Lifetaps crit ? SMILEY

I think most SKs are quiet happy with the current situation.

and...... we share that tree with (i hate to say it) pally's who prob like the heal crits.
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please fix "Defile" (defiler) while you're at it also! (even if it's just the first tick)
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please fix "Defile" (defiler) while you're at it also! (even if it's just the first tick)
Someones gona get PT'ed
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:59 AM   #17
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Paladin

Doom Judgment - Damage bonus increased from 5% to 7% per rank.

Shadowknight

Doom Judgment - Reuse speed bonus adjusted from 20 to 8 seconds per rank.

lol ummm ?

edit: hmm seems i jumped the gun a bit

Crusader

  • Doom Judgment - Improved reuse speed from 5 minutes to 2 minutes.

I apologise to the devs, i just get cranky when i see a Gaurdian outparse me while we're in the same group, and every high end SK i've ever talked to agrees that SK's need something more to bring to raids in terms of usefulness.

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:16 PM   #18
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Aeralik wrote:
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Thank you very much for the reply:Sk Line goes.. Death CircleFetid Smite Are the two that are effected in live, but are bugged in Test.. Example Death circle with 255 +spell dmg will gain 10dmg overall ;/Tap ViensPestilenceThese two are ancients It would be very nice if they are effected.. but in live i know they dont scale ;/ chances are slim for those two. ;/
Death circle doesnt update currently because all damage is applied to the initial attack.  since the initial attack is a melee attack the +combat art damage will apply to it.  Fetid smite is basically a combat art as well and +combat art damage will apply to it.  On live currently this doesn't gain from spell damage since the lifetap is a secondary spell that is instant cast.  I did manage to get Tap Veins to work.  Pestilence is also working although its essentially a triggered spell so its gain is minimal due to that.
wow thank you very much for the reply and looking into it )
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:18 PM   #19
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QQ-Fatman wrote:
Aeralik wrote:
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Thank you very much for the reply:Sk Line goes.. Death CircleFetid Smite Are the two that are effected in live, but are bugged in Test.. Example Death circle with 255 +spell dmg will gain 10dmg overall ;/Tap ViensPestilenceThese two are ancients It would be very nice if they are effected.. but in live i know they dont scale ;/ chances are slim for those two. ;/
Death circle doesnt update currently because all damage is applied to the initial attack.  since the initial attack is a melee attack the +combat art damage will apply to it.  Fetid smite is basically a combat art as well and +combat art damage will apply to it.  On live currently this doesn't gain from spell damage since the lifetap is a secondary spell that is instant cast.  I did manage to get Tap Veins to work.  Pestilence is also working although its essentially a triggered spell so its gain is minimal due to that.
Can you please fix wizard's surgeing tempest too? This spell is a dot that stuns target on each tick. The damage part is also triggered so it doesnt get any bonus from +spell damage effect. Also this spell is missing the last tick, please fix it too, thx!
Well after lu 38 Tap Veins does not get any improvement currently.  And Pestilence gets no change as well.  Is this something that will come with another patch since it got noticed so late?
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:36 AM   #20
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Ok Tap viens, Is effected, it just does not show on description the gain.. The parse shows different. Pestilence I cant see a difference, Im unsure excatly what to look for on it either.. so cant say one way or the other atm.
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:36 PM   #21
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Pitt Hammerfist wrote:
Kirstie wrote:
  My knowledge of SK spells is slim to none*

Seems like the common theme at SOE HQ...

BTW, answer me this.. Why in our AA tree do we have a critical heal AA (4th in int line), when our heals proc off damage? This AA totally has no effect on our class whatsoever.

Please remove it from the Sk tree and replace with something thats remotley appropriate to our class.

Also why on earth is our Unholy Strength Buff giving Spell damage and Stamina ? the spell is called Unholy Strength not Unholy Stamina..

Nice work Dekeon

Procs can crit, they are basically spells.  Signet of Light from Darkness, for example, can crit damage as well as crit heal on its proc.  So, if you have healing procs, anything that increases heal crit chance increases the chance that your healing procs will crit heal.

I'm guessing, anyway, that as an SK, your best DPS setup for Crusader AAs keeps you out of that AA skill anyway.  It's probably the same 4-4-8 AGI/STA/INT that Paladins use.

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Old 09-16-2007, 01:10 AM   #22
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Ok, now correct me if I am wrong but if we cast our level 2 Condemning Smite, that normally does 14-24 dmg for me, if I have a buff that adds 67.2 dmg per spell shouldnt the spell do 81-91 dmg? This would be easy to test, and I have done so, and found I crit for 26 a lot with it, or it does something in the 14-24 range. Abominable Anger (thelvl 69 version does 453-693 for me, so its much harder to tell if it is gaining any effect from this buff.
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You can max out +spell damage and the damage of that spell is so low that you go to the max easily.  I think that +spell damage is about 50% of total damage of spell.  Don't know the maximum but you are definnetly over it with a 300% increase.
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I'm guessing, anyway, that as an SK, your best DPS setup for Crusader AAs keeps you out of that AA skill anyway.  It's probably the same 4-4-8 AGI/STA/INT that Paladins use.

That is a decent set up for a sk but most if they go down 3 lines go 4-4-8 in str/sta/int.  Our melee is not quit as effective as a pallys so that ae attack from the agi line dont help much.

Raid Sks that are dps ushaly go full str line for the increased spell casting take the spell crits in the int line and then the rest go where ever.

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Old 10-07-2007, 04:38 AM   #25
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Any update on this on test server?SK spell... not getting any spell bonus at all on live :SP  52  Mana Sieve               svD                 INT                N            : decreases power of target, increases power of casterSP  55  Tap Veins                 svD                 INT                 N            : AoE tap (svD dmg and heal)SP  62  Pestilent Touch         svD                INT                  N              : svD damage  SP  65  Pestilence                   svD                 INT               N               : svD dmg and DoT, when target dies spread to 2 nearby enemiesAlsoSP  59  Insidious Promise     svD                INT                 Y              : single hate gain and (hate gain + sv D dmg) over timehas odd dmg bonus on live server, not getting full bonus.SP  64 Putrid Coil                  svD                 INT                 Y               : svD dmg and DoT nukethis spell can have tap part with EoF AA, but this AA tap part not recieving dmg bonus.Though other SK CA is based on disease too. These CA doesn't get any bonus from bruiser buff nor spell bonus items.Comparing pure melee tanks, this is surely disadvantage and should be looked into as getting bonus by spell bonus as well (because SK is more configed for mage side as is).
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