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Old 09-05-2007, 12:42 AM   #121
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shaunfletcher wrote:
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It isn't appropriate to swear around little children (that's a fair enough statement).
Since when? My parents cursed in front me as a kid and I didn't grow up to be some kind of monster.

It's great that you didn't turn out to be a monster or some sort of immoral person. But that has nothing to do with whether or not it is APPROPRIATE to curse in front of children.

Firstly, swearing is agains the EULA so theres really no discussion to be had about it. Its not allowed in game. End.

Exactly.  On a personal level, I don't have much concern one way or another about swearing.  What ticks me off is people who think they are too good for the rules.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:00 AM   #122
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Sony sets the rules for this game, and their rules specifically state the following:Foul language is not permitted, in any language.Excessive use of foul language in an inappropriate context, including swear words, real-world racial slurs, and other language that is not consistent with the fantasy environment and designed to hurt, will be considered a disruption and will not be tolerated. The existence of the filter (/filter) is not a license to be profane.It has nothing to do with the OP's values, aptitude, or any of the other derogatory comments...  The rules by which we have all agreed to abide specifically prohibit foul language.  That has nothing to do with the middle-ages, burning witches, or any of the other examples that you so crudely spewed out.

Foul language is prohibited by Sony.  End of story.

Precisely.

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This thread is dumb, what do you want SoE to do about it? Swearing is a part of life, deal with it.

Yes, some of the responses on this thread are dumb, but not the way you mean. Swearing *is* prohibited in game by the rules you voluntarily agree to when you log in each day.

As you said, deal with it.

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What ticks me off is people who think they are too good for the rules.

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The existence of the filter (/filter) is not a license to be profane.

I'm always amused by the people who think otherwise.

Sadly, those people are more common than they should be SMILEY

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Old 09-05-2007, 11:09 AM   #124
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The TOS seems contradictory - is foul language prohibited entirely, or only excessive foul language inappropriate for a fantasy environment?
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:10 AM   #125
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The TOS seems contradictory - is foul language prohibited entirely, or only excessive foul language inappropriate for a fantasy environment?
That depends entirely on which GM comes to moderate the chat channels.
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:10 PM   #126
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This was a hard one. I have never heard the term 'cuss' before.Looking it up gives: 'cuss = Common Use Self Service'. This doesn't make sense in this con text, however. After digging further it seems that cuss is some variant of swearing and cursing language. So the OP seem to find a certain part of the language inappropriate to use (for others). Please note that cussing is different from swearing and cursing, so cursing and swearing is not included in the OP complaint.Now what part of the language is included in cussing? Unfortunately this turns out to be difficult to define. (at least I couldn't find any definition). What people typically do in such cases (to save their face) is to give a list of examples and then expect that others should magically understand what is meant.What is particular interesting here is the first example on cussing that was given:         CONFOUND ITFew of us have managed to avoid observing that this phrase (cussing) is what some of the vendors/brokers in EQ2 is saying.Since some posters means that cussing is prohibited by the EULA, why are they not complaining that SONY is using such language in-game. Or are they? Have I missed that.(My daughter has read Inuyasha which is a long excercise in cussing/swearing/cursing, and she seem to be the same nice person as before. What the kids read/hear in EQ2 is probably polished compared to the schoolyard).
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:23 PM   #127
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Seriously ... PARENT your children. Don't censor them. Censoring never helped anyone, at any time. All it does it put them in a fantasy box, with the walls painted black, with a TV that doesn't turn on. You don't want your kids to swear? TEACH them. Don't want them to do drugs? TEACH them. Oh, and LISTEN to them too. It's not everyone elses' job to monitor YOUR child.

One more thing: "appropriate" is subjective. Yes I know what the EULA says and I agree to it. We go by what Sony deems as apppropriate, which could very well differ from any other single person out there.

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Old 09-05-2007, 04:24 PM   #128
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zomg grow up sir, this is not hello kitty adventure island !

lulz...best first post evah!!!

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zomg grow up sir, this is not hello kitty adventure island !

lulz...best first post evah!!!

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Old 09-05-2007, 05:39 PM   #130
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What is particular interesting here is the first example on cussing that was given:         CONFOUND ITFew of us have managed to avoid observing that this phrase (cussing) is what some of the vendors/brokers in EQ2 is saying.
I might also mention that the specific phrase in question, as repeated perhaps 10000 times, has resulted in many a player informing their computer/cat/significant other where they would like to shove the aforementioned ledger, should ms cliffjumper ever find it.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:42 PM   #131
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i'm getting sick of folks who think it is either "kewl" or grownup to cuss. that or they pull the"there is a bad word filter" bit. as well as sayings, macro's/emotes that are crude in actions

thing is. it dont matter . all those who cuss are forgetting that when they agreed to accept the EULA in order to get into the game. that they agree not to cuss.

i would love to have my daughter when she gets old enough to play both EQ's. but due to the immature behavivior of some of the other players. i dont want her exposed to their bad habits. i dont need her growing up to think that the need to cuss and being proud of being criminal types is a good thing.

makes me wonder if the ones who are not behaving. where their parents went wrong in raising them.

Now, I'm not going to defend cursing/cussing/swearing in game. Excessive use is definately against the EULA blah blah blah.

However, the /rude emote is in the game via SOE's choice and as such, does nothing to violate the EULA in any way. Just another of the things in game. Moon is there too if you look, moon your foes for a laugh after you make some rude gestures at them. The flirt is a bit lascivious for female characters. And there is alcohol in game as well as various criminal elements you do quests for. All part of the teen rating. If you find it inappropriate for your child, then don't buy the game for her.

To the child thing though, and this is the part that really bugged me about your post. Speaking as a mother myself, unless you lock your kid in the hall closet until she's 18, she's going to be exposed to some bad language, behavior and unsavory folks while she's growing up. That is life. If she's started school I can GUARENTEE she's already been exposed to all of that stuff. Some of the things they hear in school these days could make a sailor blush. 

I'm not going to condone the behavior of children while they are at school either, but that is where parents come in. If you teach your child it is rude and unnecessary to curse to get your point across, then they'll be less likely to do so, or at least will watch thier mouths when you are around.

Further more, people using foul language in the game are just as likely to be adults blowing off steam as they are to be kids bucking the system and fighting 'the man' by cursing and trying to be all tough. Either way it really doesn't reflect much on thier parents. Their parents could have been perfect examples of parenthood from your point of view and still had a child that cursed like there was no tomorrow. Some kids are rebellious and will do ANYTHING that they think the adults don't want them to do. As for the adults cursing, well they are adults, their parents don't really have much to say about what they can and cannot do anymore. If either element is overly offensive the only actions you can take in game are /report name, /ignore name and turning on your filter. From there it is up to the GM's to do what they do with people who are foul.

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Old 09-05-2007, 05:47 PM   #132
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Wow a 9 page troll with only 2 posts to the OP's name.

Good job!

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Old 09-05-2007, 06:17 PM   #133
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I particularly don't like gratuatous cussing. There is a time and a place for it and over text chat it's generally not neccessary. however, PLEASE DON'T SHOVE YOUR KIDS IN MY FACE! if I wanted to play with children I'd play WoW. Most adults are child like enough imo.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:43 PM   #134
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I would have to agree woolf2kI don't think kids have any business playing this game. If there are people out there that simply must have their kids playing this rather then out playing or playing something a bit more educational, fine turn the word filter on shut your pie holes and hope for the best.While your at it start a petition to have /moon and /rude taken out as well. Oh and don't forget to take away our freedom of speech too.So, be sure to keep your children away from me, I play an adult game SMILEY
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:14 PM   #135
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Oh and don't forget to take away our freedom of speech too.
Not that I give two hoots what people say, but you really don't have freedom of speech when in the game. SOE can pretty much ban you for whatever reason they want.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:24 PM   #136
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Old 09-05-2007, 08:46 PM   #137
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Yep banal feckless banter would be about the only thing that Gnobrin tolerates, somewhat like this thread in fact.

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Old 09-06-2007, 09:33 AM   #138
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I would have to agree woolf2kI don't think kids have any business playing this game. If there are people out there that simply must have their kids playing this rather then out playing or playing something a bit more educational, fine turn the word filter on shut your pie holes and hope for the best.While your at it start a petition to have /moon and /rude taken out as well. Oh and don't forget to take away our freedom of speech too.So, be sure to keep your children away from me, I play an adult game SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />

1. It is not only childern that are affected by your vulgarity, older players can and do find vulgarity offensive

2. please utilize google to research what freedom of speech entails -  basicly this is a provate subscription based environment - freedom of speech does not apply at all. There are other things that also pertain to this, but google will give you the information needed.

3. If you want to utilize vulgarity in a situation that it specificly states it is not allowed - then if someone - be it adult or child takes offense and passes it on the the local authorituies, then deal with the results.

4. Actually if you look at the ESRB rating for the game - you do not play an "adult game", if you did thie rating would be set higher.

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Old 09-06-2007, 10:00 AM   #139
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Wingrider01 wrote:

2. please utilize google to research what freedom of speech entails -  basicly this is a provate subscription based environment - freedom of speech does not apply at all.

QFE.

& I'm one of those older people who thinks gratuitous cursing is a sign of immaturity, a poor vocabulary, or both.

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Old 09-06-2007, 10:39 AM   #140
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Seriously, a 10 page thread? For this?

Let me make it short and clear. The game is rated T for teen. From Wikipedia:

 T - Teen: Contains content that is considered suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

See that? I won't go into the killing and stuff, just this: infrequent use of strong language.

If someone swears too much in general chat, then ok I see some merit in the complaint. In the TOS it's mentioned as well: 'Excessive use of foul language in an inappropriate context...' (note that it says excessive).But I personally never encountered this and if someone has an issue with an occasianal f-word or other words (not used in a way to attack someone personally of course), then I think that person should just shove off and play something else.

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Old 09-06-2007, 12:31 PM   #141
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2. please utilize google to research what freedom of speech entails -  basicly this is a provate subscription based environment - freedom of speech does not apply at all.

QFE.

& I'm one of those older people who thinks gratuitous cursing is a sign of immaturity, a poor vocabulary, or both.

It always amuses me how people think their right to freedom of speech is "granted" in a private forum.
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well since this is the.... I cant believe this thread is still here. I make a thread about some kind of malware bug being in this website and its moved in less than a minute flat.So anyway the threads basically moved into spam. So heres my interesting spam. enjoy.

DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT

Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be [Removed for Content], Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Oh ya and this is freedon of speech ..I..Flip the bird to everyone and everything. The border patrol, the state troopers as ur trying to outrun them, the bank manager, the kids in the street, the kid you just smacked in the head with ur side mirror on a bike for being in the road, The IRS, The old lady across the street, the dev in game right before he bans you lol. Flip em all off and know that if they dont have some kind of road rage where it turns into who can aim faster you win.
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I just choose to ignore most conversations that are upsetting - and theres Always the ever so lovely /ignore dumbarse feature! SMILEY  My daughter plays around with low lvl characters and shes much younger than the suggested age.  She could care less what would be going on in chat - I've also taken the liberty to turn off her main chat tab anyways.  She doesnt care she just wants to run around with her fairy and see what neat drops she can get. 

Also with the gestures & socials - those have always been around from what i understand.  Some are funny if cued at the right time when your grouping with guildies or friends.   Theyve never been that offensive to me, and much of the same ones you can find on the Cartoon network or local primetime shows around 5-6pm anyways.  No more family TV during dinner time! 

The roleplaying aspect of the game i think would be damaged if everyone dampered down everything to be peaches and cream for everyone.  How can you RP a evil dark elf effectively while your wondering around in TS or EL when you can only /wave /dance or /blowkiss?  Or is that inappropriate also?   

Im in no way trying to say that someone is wrong or rude, i get repulsed by some conversations also that go on but i just choose not to read - or cue in the occansional "next subject already - no one wants to hear that!"

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No matter what anyone thinks about "cursing" and/or "vulgarity", try and remember: THEY'RE JUST WORDS.
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I used to actively tell people in Heritage chat that they should not curse...children are apt to see it.  I would be bullied sort of, and told in a million different ways...turn on the profanity filter if I didn't like it.

The problem is...I am an adult, I am okay with someone cursing in front of me. So, I am not going to turn off the profanity filter.

I used to love the banter...or discussions...not that I ever followed their logic about why cursing in such a public chat was okay.

I never reported anyone...I don't think...at least not on purpose...lol.

I loved doing this though...when someone would get really insulting to another person or be cursing like a madman in public chat channels...

I would type a /report soandso's name in the chat channel.  They would either get really irked or suddenly become very very polite.

meh, with kids and immature adults you are always going to be dealing with this...don't get too flustered over it I say.  At least don't stress.

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Old 09-06-2007, 01:05 PM   #146
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i'm getting sick of folks who think it is either "kewl" or grownup to cuss. that or they pull the"there is a bad word filter" bit. as well as sayings, macro's/emotes that are crude in actions

thing is. it dont matter . all those who cuss are forgetting that when they agreed to accept the EULA in order to get into the game. that they agree not to cuss.

i would love to have my daughter when she gets old enough to play both EQ's. but due to the immature behavivior of some of the other players. i dont want her exposed to their bad habits. i dont need her growing up to think that the need to cuss and being proud of being criminal types is a good thing.

makes me wonder if the ones who are not behaving. where their parents went wrong in raising them.

SMILEY

You just completely contradicted yourself in the same post.

If you are raising your daughter to be a good person, then why should it matter what other people do?  If other people think it's cool to cuss and act "grown up," that's their own problem.  What other people do shouldn't have any impact on your daughter other than her thinking "Dude, that guy's a d**k."  If you don't want her seeing or hearing bad words, then maybe you should lock her up in her room with no radio, no tv, no phone, and no computer.  You might as well homeschool her too.  You know, the world is bad, and people can't make up their own minds whether they want to cuss or not.  You have to control your kids and everything they do or say, or they will go to Hell! OMG!!!

Seriously... If your daughter's not a sheep, then you shouldn't worry about her picking up any bad habits.  People cuss everywhere, and you can't expect to shield her from every Tom, Harry, and Sally out there.

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Old 09-06-2007, 01:15 PM   #147
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Laomie wrote:
Oh and don't forget to take away our freedom of speech too.
Not that I give two hoots what people say, but you really don't have freedom of speech when in the game. SOE can pretty much ban you for whatever reason they want.

Yup

It also depends upon what CSR/GM you get with that petition.  Some really don't give a flying *bleep* about what you say and will just write it off.  Others maybe more action proned talking to the player, asking what is wrong, how can they help, etc... .  The most strict of CSR/GMs will suspend the player on the spot and consider it taken care of.

Had a guildmate suspended for a week because of "Innapropriate language".  He's keeping his mouth shout now barely speaking in chat channels cause some nut job reported him.  When it comes to cursing people really need to get a life and just flip on the profanity filter. 

In our guild we keep swearing PG-13, but do cross into the R area at times.  Very rarely if ever do we have to tell a guildmate to tone it down because the swearing is getting out of hand. 

The world of the 1900-1950's with people saying "Darn, Dang, Shoot, etc..." is dying off rapidly. 

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Of the many things people complain about in eq2, this one has to come under my "huh?" category, unfortunately. As soon as a child goes to school they are surrounded by massive numbers of peers who all think it appropriate to use "bad" language. Maybe parents don't notice it as much, but as a University student for whom school was not so long ago I can say that children above the age of 6 or so know 90% of the bad words out there. And use them. You cannot protect them from swearwords by prohibiting them in EQ2, thats like putting up an umbrella in a hurricane, indeed prohibition is one of the reasons why it is seen as "kewl". Swearwords are part of society, hence they are part of eq2, you must learn to deal with it as best you can.
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No matter what anyone thinks about "cursing" and/or "vulgarity", try and remember:THEY'RE JUST WORDS.

So is the Magna Carta.  So is the Declaration of Independance.  So is hate speech.

It's the meaning behind the words that make them more than words themselves.  The sum is greater than the parts.

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Of the many things people complain about in eq2, this one has to come under my "huh?" category, unfortunately.As soon as a child goes to school they are surrounded by massive numbers of peers who all think it appropriate to use "bad" language. Maybe parents don't notice it as much, but as a University student for whom school was not so long ago I can say that children above the age of 6 or so know 90% of the bad words out there. And use them. You cannot protect them from swearwords by prohibiting them in EQ2, thats like putting up an umbrella in a hurricane, indeed prohibition is one of the reasons why it is seen as "kewl".Swearwords are part of society, hence they are part of eq2, you must learn to deal with it as best you can.
When you get older, you may gain the maturity to see that swearing is a limiter.
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