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Old 07-02-2012, 11:04 AM   #1
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Now I can not confirm nor deny that it is possible that Exile PVP may be back. If this is the case then I have a few minor suggestions/requests that only seem fair. We all know that a 3rd faction is EXTREMELY viable for a PVP server, if you disagree then look at Planetside and Planetside 2 as SOE examples for successful PVP with 3 factions. It just offers better balance to the server and more targets to fight in PVP. If people have a problem with that thne you should just slap yourself.

The first request is that if you are allowing exiles to get updates in PVP then they should also recieve Notoriety, which is the same as Fame/Infamy. This was in the game previously and should return. Currently as it stands none of the Q/Freep factions recieve updates from killing an Exile and that needs to change as well.

The 2nd suggestion/request is that you please allow shared banks with all characters on an account. This really needs to be added because the days of people only being on one faction are over and it is too much of a hassle to share currency/loot with our other characters without this. This doesnt hurt economy it only serves to help those who have multiple characters on multiple factions.

This isnt a game breaking request just some simple tools to allow more effecient banking and a viable 3rd faction for more PVP

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Old 07-02-2012, 11:25 AM   #2
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+3 & PvP rank XP/current title shouldn't reset when you betray...

...dunno how i dun 4got aboot dis & will add it to a "top 14" (now 15!) list i made in another tRED...

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Exileds want FFA PvP.  Give it to them.  Do not permit exileds to group or raid with anyone else.  Otherwise, pick a side if they want group PvP.

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I wish some folks could use logic when posting. The reality is, that exile PVP dates back years ago. Years ago, exiles could group/raid for PVP. Infact, it is still an option to do so today. Why would they suddenly end it or want to? Exile makes PVP thrive.

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Exile only existed as long as the time when  they permitted  certain classes to swap sides.  People stopped in "limbo" to use It by  raiding guilds to get the best of a raiding line up leaving the other two sides at a distinct disadvantage. This is no longer an issue so pick a side instead of waiting off in the side lines with your little gank group/raid  to jump into an already occurring  fray with your ridiculous  owned 1 v 1  emotes, all fresh and aoe'ing to take out the already burnt out adversaries then finishing off the other opponents.   All this  wah wah wah about  being all elite  and wanting FFA  PvP.  Get it, take it and use it.  Exileds should simply be  FFA.  You're  attacks should cause  damage to any other  PvP adversary there is regardless of faction.  Again, if you desire the mechanics of grouping and being on a side. Then pick one of the TWO.  This is my opinion, always has been, and most likely always will be.

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Old 07-18-2012, 07:56 PM   #7
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There's a lot of anger in your post. Still, there is no need for the dev's to make an unnecessary change like the one you propose.

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Old 07-18-2012, 08:01 PM   #8
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Exile only existed as long as the time when  they permitted  certain classes to swap sides.  People stopped in "limbo" to use It by  raiding guilds to get the best of a raiding line up leaving the other two sides at a distinct disadvantage. This is no longer an issue so pick a side instead of waiting off in the side lines with your little gank group/raid  to jump into an already occurring  fray with your ridiculous  owned 1 v 1  emotes, all fresh and aoe'ing to take out the already burnt out adversaries then finishing off the other opponents.   All this  wah wah wah about  being all elite  and wanting FFA  PvP.  Get it, take it and use it.  Exileds should simply be  FFA.  You're  attacks should cause  damage to any other  PvP adversary there is regardless of faction.  Again, if you desire the mechanics of grouping and being on a side. Then pick one of the TWO.  This is my opinion, always has been, and most likely always will be.

- A 3rd faction has always made things more interesting. - Most of the Pvpers on Nagafen(besides yourself) enjoys the idea of a 3rd faction(clearly you have not searched around the forums to much and you would know this)- Exile Pvp is extremely fun simply because its your guild vs both factions consisting of 6-24 players vs 100+ Faction- In most cases exiles get targeted first in a warfield- Also i have no idea why your even posting in this thread...old newsLet me help you      http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=520098The fact is Exile pvp is currently bringing more players back old and new then ever before. I honestly dont think anyone cares what faction someone is at this point on the nagafen server they are just hopeing for anincrease to the population and open world pvp.

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Old 07-19-2012, 03:19 PM   #9
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There's a lot of anger in your post. Still, there is no need for the dev's to make an unnecessary change like the one you propose.

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Interesting how you "detect"  anger in text.  /shrug   I  have zero emotion so  your detection skills are slightly erroneous.   I do find it interesting that the people whose opinion differs from mine are the usual faction floppers ( another fail by making it so easy to do so ) that have some sort of warped idea that they are soley responsible for keeping pvp alive. LOL    Anyway, I came here to state an opinion  not to get into a pi$$ing match with specific individuals ( not much unlike the ones who troll  1 - flames channel on the opposite faction )  I stated my opinion and it remains.   The tactics I have witnessed time and time again by  exiled  groups is no different than  that of the typical  "wait until the group is engaged in a mob before jumping in".  The only difference is that it isn't a mob, it's another pvp group. Of course, the best part, is the /emotes and /say that folows  afterwards about lite skills  etc.....   If exileds are such elitests, give them  what they want. True FFA PvP. You're on your own kid. 

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Melvis wouldnt know what he is talking about when it came to pvp even if the best pvp er world wide explained it to him, the fact you say exile guilds see:displaced, old onxy only wait to pick off the leftovers of the two warring factions shows how ignorant you are of pvp. Ive personally seen displaced and others take on the brunt force of BOTH factions none of this "hiding till they get scraps' stuff, until you actively PvP please refrain from spewing your unwated ideas and ideals about PvP. thamks

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On VOX I was good, on nagafen I was evil, never went exiled but I think it should be an equal choice. 3 factions definately spice things up.

They almost have me back, they just need to fix a few more things.

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Melvis wouldnt know what he is talking about when it came to pvp even if the best pvp er world wide explained it to him, the fact you say exile guilds see:displaced, old onxy only wait to pick off the leftovers of the two warring factions shows how ignorant you are of pvp. Ive personally seen displaced and others take on the brunt force of BOTH factions none of this "hiding till they get scraps' stuff, until you actively PvP please refrain from spewing your unwated ideas and ideals about PvP. thamks

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LOL, yeah cuz you're so good!  /sarcasm off

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Melvis wouldnt know what he is talking about when it came to pvp even if the best pvp er world wide explained it to him, the fact you say exile guilds see:displaced, old onxy only wait to pick off the leftovers of the two warring factions shows how ignorant you are of pvp. Ive personally seen displaced and others take on the brunt force of BOTH factions none of this "hiding till they get scraps' stuff, until you actively PvP please refrain from spewing your unwated ideas and ideals about PvP. thamks

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LOL, yeah cuz you're so good!  /sarcasm off

Better than you can  hope to be, yeah. you obviously and clearly dont pvp, so why sh*t up the pvp section with you moronic ideas ?

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Old 07-20-2012, 10:07 AM   #14
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Xzerius wrote:

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There's a lot of anger in your post. Still, there is no need for the dev's to make an unnecessary change like the one you propose.

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Interesting how you "detect"  anger in text.  /shrug   I  have zero emotion so  your detection skills are slightly erroneous.   I do find it interesting that the people whose opinion differs from mine are the usual faction floppers ( another fail by making it so easy to do so ) that have some sort of warped idea that they are soley responsible for keeping pvp alive. LOL    Anyway, I came here to state an opinion  not to get into a pi$$ing match with specific individuals ( not much unlike the ones who troll  1 - flames channel on the opposite faction )  I stated my opinion and it remains.   The tactics I have witnessed time and time again by  exiled  groups is no different than  that of the typical  "wait until the group is engaged in a mob before jumping in".  The only difference is that it isn't a mob, it's another pvp group. Of course, the best part, is the /emotes and /say that folows  afterwards about lite skills  etc.....   If exileds are such elitests, give them  what they want. True FFA PvP. You're on your own kid. 

While I respect people's opinions, I have to say that I just don't understand your viewpoint on this subject. Do you not realize that SOE's new flagship game, Planetside 2, is a 3 faction game? So was the first one. History has shown that 3 faction PVP games have always been the better PVP games regarding balance. Most PVP MMO's that are being realeased have 3 factions. So to think that having Exiles in this games is "dumb" just shows how ignorant you are about any successful PVP that this game had in the past and is hoping to have after this update.

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Old 07-20-2012, 02:17 PM   #15
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Exile is a faction regardless of how many people complain, I don't agree with killing each other for updates in there but as a faction they should be able to group. It doesn't hurt anyone else's game play nor does it give them a advantage you can't have yourself. Some of you sound all angry in your post chill out. Not like they have different game mechanics when people go exile. They just get more targets, but with those targets comes a price to pay. So I don't see the rant issue needed at all.

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The three faction concept has always benefitted the pvp servers.  Very glad to see the devs are finally paying attention.

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Old 07-23-2012, 11:10 AM   #17
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Exile is a faction regardless of how many people complain, I don't agree with killing each other for updates in there but as a faction they should be able to group. It doesn't hurt anyone else's game play nor does it give them a advantage you can't have yourself. Some of you sound all angry in your post chill out. Not like they have different game mechanics when people go exile. They just get more targets, but with those targets comes a price to pay. So I don't see the rant issue needed at all.

Exiles have NEVER been able to get an update off of each other, and that wont be the case after the update. The only thing Exiles get from fighting each other is PVP practice. Or to settle a dispute like "you called my mom fat? Ok, lets settle this."

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Marsten wrote:

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choqeonit wrote:

There's a lot of anger in your post. Still, there is no need for the dev's to make an unnecessary change like the one you propose.

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Interesting how you "detect"  anger in text.  /shrug   I  have zero emotion so  your detection skills are slightly erroneous.   I do find it interesting that the people whose opinion differs from mine are the usual faction floppers ( another fail by making it so easy to do so ) that have some sort of warped idea that they are soley responsible for keeping pvp alive. LOL    Anyway, I came here to state an opinion  not to get into a pi$$ing match with specific individuals ( not much unlike the ones who troll  1 - flames channel on the opposite faction )  I stated my opinion and it remains.   The tactics I have witnessed time and time again by  exiled  groups is no different than  that of the typical  "wait until the group is engaged in a mob before jumping in".  The only difference is that it isn't a mob, it's another pvp group. Of course, the best part, is the /emotes and /say that folows  afterwards about lite skills  etc.....   If exileds are such elitests, give them  what they want. True FFA PvP. You're on your own kid. 

While I respect people's opinions, I have to say that I just don't understand your viewpoint on this subject. Do you not realize that SOE's new flagship game, Planetside 2, is a 3 faction game? So was the first one. History has shown that 3 faction PVP games have always been the better PVP games regarding balance. Most PVP MMO's that are being realeased have 3 factions. So to think that having Exiles in this games is "dumb" just shows how ignorant you are about any successful PVP that this game had in the past and is hoping to have after this update.

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Marsten wrote:

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Exile is a faction regardless of how many people complain, I don't agree with killing each other for updates in there but as a faction they should be able to group. It doesn't hurt anyone else's game play nor does it give them a advantage you can't have yourself. Some of you sound all angry in your post chill out. Not like they have different game mechanics when people go exile. They just get more targets, but with those targets comes a price to pay. So I don't see the rant issue needed at all.

Exiles have NEVER been able to get an update off of each other, and that wont be the case after the update. The only thing Exiles get from fighting each other is PVP practice. Or to settle a dispute like "you called my mom fat? Ok, lets settle this."

Sorry to break this to you but all the way up to eof you could kill your own guildmate and get credit

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Marsten wrote:

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Exile is a faction regardless of how many people complain, I don't agree with killing each other for updates in there but as a faction they should be able to group. It doesn't hurt anyone else's game play nor does it give them a advantage you can't have yourself. Some of you sound all angry in your post chill out. Not like they have different game mechanics when people go exile. They just get more targets, but with those targets comes a price to pay. So I don't see the rant issue needed at all.

Exiles have NEVER been able to get an update off of each other, and that wont be the case after the update. The only thing Exiles get from fighting each other is PVP practice. Or to settle a dispute like "you called my mom fat? Ok, lets settle this."

Sorry to break this to you but all the way up to eof you could kill your own guildmate and get credit

I do recall that back then there were a few exploits being widely abused by exiles, which eventually led to many pvp benefits being cut off to them, so hopefully the new rules closed up some of those loopholes.

Been seeing a few complaints in 1-9 claiming alt farming, but hopefully with luck that's as lame as it all will get.

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I'd bet my plat on melvis against most of you guys calling him bad.  just gonna be hard finding exiles out there alone.

Where's the limit on how many factions make pvp better ?

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I'd bet my plat on melvis against most of you guys calling him bad.  just gonna be hard finding exiles out there alone.

Where's the limit on how many factions make pvp better ?

Lol, He's a walking update. Don't pretend he's actually any good.

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I'd bet my plat on melvis against most of you guys calling him bad.  just gonna be hard finding exiles out there alone.

Where's the limit on how many factions make pvp better ?

Lol, He's a walking update. Don't pretend he's actually any good.

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So Since all the exile faction players and all the pvp players that like to flip flop side are so happy about Exiles getting to wear pvp armor and join in the fun at war fields. Why not Make a third set of Towers for the exiles to guard so Not only does Freeport or Qeynos have to take out ther others towers they also have to take out an Exile Tower to win War Fields, And The Exiles have to take out 2 Qeynos and one Freeport tower or Vice Versa to win War Fields. Not like it is Right now With an x4 of Displaced guarding the southern Tower that the Fr4eeports tear down while letting the Qeynosians Tear down the tower they need to to win and then after both Qeynosians and Exiles Ripping the Freeporters apart before they engage each other. As it is Right now Freeport is FIghting 2 factions first and then the exiles and Qeynosians fight after the Freeports are dead.

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I have a better idea. People actually stick around and fight regardless of an active warfield or not. Battlegrounds are killing this server. People zone into WF's, burn the towers (raided up), and then ignore PvP and either run/call out. KP/Skyshrine/Withered Lands have all been dead when WF's are not active. It's truely sad that this update is being wasted because we have the majority of Nagafen members hugging Battlegrounds all day.

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So Since all the exile faction players and all the pvp players that like to flip flop side are so happy about Exiles getting to wear pvp armor and join in the fun at war fields. Why not Make a third set of Towers for the exiles to guard so Not only does Freeport or Qeynos have to take out ther others towers they also have to take out an Exile Tower to win War Fields, And The Exiles have to take out 2 Qeynos and one Freeport tower or Vice Versa to win War Fields. Not like it is Right now With an x4 of Displaced guarding the southern Tower that the Fr4eeports tear down while letting the Qeynosians Tear down the tower they need to to win and then after both Qeynosians and Exiles Ripping the Freeporters apart before they engage each other. As it is Right now Freeport is FIghting 2 factions first and then the exiles and Qeynosians fight after the Freeports are dead.

Weird, because yesterday we killed Illuminati first since their were rocking a full x4 and then worked on Freeps till Illuminati zerged back. Normally it's Heroes of War rocking a full raid so they are the biggest threat so they would die first, It's not like any faction is getting favored treatment in fights.

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I have a better idea. People actually stick around and fight regardless of an active warfield or not. Battlegrounds are killing this server. People zone into WF's, burn the towers (raided up), and then ignore PvP and either run/call out. KP/Skyshrine/Withered Lands have all been dead when WF's are not active. It's truely sad that this update is being wasted because we have the majority of Nagafen members hugging Battlegrounds all day.

says the guy hugging his 23 guild members. you pathetic exiles only ever come out of the woodwork when there's some sort of advantage. For a long time it was just plain gear advantage, up to TSO.

In SF with the revamped pvp gear and more equality, there was far less exileds pvp'ing. Maybe it was also because there's was nothing to get from pvp as exile, altho i thought you just enjoyed the pvp for the sake of it. guess i was wrong, seing how entire guilds flopped to Qeynos or Freeport.

And now history repeats itself. suddenly raid gear is ruling pvp, and look how the vermin comes crawling out, pretending to be so awesome, when in fact you roll with a x4, have 0 objective in WF other then disrupt the factions, and think you're in anyway competent fighting random pick up raids.

Should there be no incentive anymore for you to remain exiled, you and your buttbuddies will flock to either faction in the blink of an eye. having more pvp targets will suddenly not be a reason to stay exiled, exactly how all you exileds have proven in the past years.

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Proud_Silence wrote:

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I have a better idea. People actually stick around and fight regardless of an active warfield or not. Battlegrounds are killing this server. People zone into WF's, burn the towers (raided up), and then ignore PvP and either run/call out. KP/Skyshrine/Withered Lands have all been dead when WF's are not active. It's truely sad that this update is being wasted because we have the majority of Nagafen members hugging Battlegrounds all day.

says the guy hugging his 23 guild members. you pathetic exiles only ever come out of the woodwork when there's some sort of advantage. For a long time it was just plain gear advantage, up to TSO.

In SF with the revamped pvp gear and more equality, there was far less exileds pvp'ing. Maybe it was also because there's was nothing to get from pvp as exile, altho i thought you just enjoyed the pvp for the sake of it. guess i was wrong, seing how entire guilds flopped to Qeynos or Freeport.

And now history repeats itself. suddenly raid gear is ruling pvp, and look how the vermin comes crawling out, pretending to be so awesome, when in fact you roll with a x4, have 0 objective in WF other then disrupt the factions, and think you're in anyway competent fighting random pick up raids.

Should there be no incentive anymore for you to remain exiled, you and your buttbuddies will flock to either faction in the blink of an eye. having more pvp targets will suddenly not be a reason to stay exiled, exactly how all you exileds have proven in the past years.

Like clockwork, Proud_Silence, who since 2008 has hated exiles, comes out to play. The last few WF's we have brought raids, correct. So have factions. It's absolutely pathetic to watch x4's, x3's, and x2's dodge us on purpose and beeline straight for the tower, zerging it until one falls. Immediately after the WF ends, everybody leaves. I go out solo/duo/trio and there is absolutely nothing, anywhere. I zone into Champion's Respite and the amount of Nagafen players on track constantly is sad. And you know what happens because of it? We get forced into doing those very same BG's due to lack of population. It's a vicious cycle that needs to be fixed. There is no healthy openworld pvp on this server outside of WF's and I don't care what kind of biased exile hate you have, you see it too. Battlegrounds are ruining this server, and this little bonus weekend for tokens is not helping either.

And as far as your little gem about raid gear goes, I believe only 2-3 members of Displaced have raid gear. The rest are rocking Skyshrine heroic gear. So quit whining that you're outgeared. You're not.

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Old 07-28-2012, 02:29 AM   #29
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Pvp is nonexistent outside WF's. Limit BG tokens, PVP will revive itself. Takes 5 seconds to patch it, do it SOE.

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Old 07-29-2012, 03:08 PM   #30
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Pvp is nonexistent outside WF's. Limit BG tokens, PVP will revive itself. Takes 5 seconds to patch it, do it SOE.

Sorry bro, but you say this as if SOE isn't doing exactly what is intended.  Face it, our server is on it's way out the door. It has been for over a year. Even if there was a BG token limit, it will still be farmed, as it is STILL the most guaranteed form of success.  The creation of BG's was the first and the last nail in our servers coffin. There is ZERO incentive for anyone to play on a PvP server.  Even the PvE aspects of it and raiding portion are sub par due to lack of competitive population.  Why should anyone play our server when they can do exactly what we are doing?   PvP in BG's.   They can then successfully raid progression mobs because they have the population to do so.   It's win win  for the Bluebies and  /fail for us reds. 

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