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08-03-2006, 08:11 AM
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lol. the easiest way to really prove where you're at and compare it between another wizard that is on the same raid. You cannot compare my raids against your raids, I don't know how your group setups are and which classes are available on the raid. I've been on pickup raids where i'm the top dps ALL the time, but I've also been on guild raids in which I'm not on the top all the time. This is the variable at which we stand at. Remember that we have NO dps modifier. Aside from the innate intelligence which is our primary attribute.. I could give a crap if i have 10 strength, 10 agility. These does not increase our powerpool or our dps at all. We max this attribute easily it's not even funny. There's no group buff that increases our min/max spell damage, no casting haste spells, no spells that have a perma buff for a 10%/30% proc for each spell we cast, we are crippled by the max damage of our spells(if we ever roll a dice that could actually make us hit our max.) -- Don't you hate it when u drop catalyst + Freehand + Fusion and you nuke for less than the max damage of the original spell?
 :smileymad:That said, the rest of your dps really rely on the player's skills behind the character, how often he/she casts a specific spell **hint** (Ball of Lava) as often as he can so that he can increase the dps. Remember scouts/melee have poisons, weapon procs, spell procs, haste, dps modifier, intelligence modifier, strength modifier and weapon dmg rating to increase their dps. This is the reason why we end up below a melee's on most occasions.keep dropping those 1k+ parses. If you can't, either you suck or your raid does. Either or both of these factors fall into the incompetence of being a wizard not putting up max dps.  my 2cp.
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08-03-2006, 08:38 AM
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if you were referring to no wizard group buffs then yes. if you referring to any class then no, palys can take an aa line that gives us 1% more base spell dmg. (like brainstorm) only it gives it to the whole group, along with 1% more healing, and a bunch of other stuff at 1%(cant remember them all because i just care about the 1% spell dmg bonus)
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08-03-2006, 09:43 AM
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Also, a Brigand in the raid is very important. The debuffs alone increase my dps by 25% or sometimes more. If you don't have a brigand and a troub (for agro), then you are not hitting max dps.
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08-03-2006, 08:41 PM
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clerics have a casting speed / recast timer buff dont they? its an aa choice not sure if its just recast timers, thought it was both tho
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08-03-2006, 09:12 PM
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Yeah you're right. Aswell shamans have the same spell but it's single target, not group. Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 08-03-2006 09:13 PM |
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08-04-2006, 10:14 AM
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Here's our lyceum run today. Had amends up to the essence of fear. also had for the zone, 5.4% allegro, Dont kill the messenger (7.5% crit chance), alins (40% hate reduc), aria (500pt proc from troub), harmonious link from coercer
Zone Parse Allies: (01:34:4
essence of fear Allies: (03:39) 2182392 | 9965.26 [HH Illu-Fusion-14282] Gnillaw the demented Allies: (04:22) 2832599 | 10811.45 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-14409]
some random parses.... Allies: (02:05) 1462016 | 11696.13 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-18158] Allies: (02:05) 1478809 | 11830.47 [HH Illu-Fusion-26309] Allies: (01:32) 948565 | 10310.49 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15444]
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08-04-2006, 07:07 PM
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Hey Illu (et al) Sorry I could not make it last night, sounds like you guys had fun in there! How were the drops?
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08-04-2006, 07:59 PM
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two relic drops, leather vest and cloth cuffs, gnillaw dropped another falbed 2hndr, forgot what the essence of fear dropped.
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08-04-2006, 11:03 PM
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Fabled Sash.
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08-05-2006, 12:37 AM
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time to nerf the wizards, they've been at the top for more than a month now. who should get max dps next? first it was necros, then wizards. let's go something fun - furies! there's almost as many of them as wizards and they should be just as adept at whining as wizards |
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08-05-2006, 01:00 AM
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the necro with undead tide litterally makes me look like a pea shooter when he uses that ability against singles. If we get a well geared assasin to start comming along with us I'm sure they'll be up at the top as well. We need a brigand or three badly though. all these #'s have been without a brig.
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08-05-2006, 01:21 AM
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Yeah, and the MT without the threat procs that he so dearly wants, lol. It really matters who's getting the hate reduction. You can have all the DPS in the world, but if you can't use it because the MT can't hold aggro, then all you'll get yourself is dead. You'll parse pretty good DPS while alive, and tank on the extDPS.
Really, it's the way the whole raid force is set up that matters. A tank that holds more aggro will mean that others can DPS more. If you have more hate reduction, same thing. If you have enough mana regen (hearts/shards, enchanters/bards), to handle the 2 minutes fights at full burn. All the tier 1 classes can do a heckuva lot of DPS given the right situation. It's just as important (if not moreso) to get that right situation, as to improve your own abilities. I wouldn't feel personally responsible or feel bad about low parses. Unless you are doing something really wrong, it's most likely factors outside of the individual's control that determine what damage he can parse. |
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08-05-2006, 01:45 AM
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Don't remind me =(
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08-05-2006, 02:46 AM
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Interesting.From our recent LoA run, DPS is listed with EXTDPS.Essence of FearRaid: 02:57 | 2352884 | 13293Conjuror 250251 | 1414Berserker 186987 | 1056Wizard 181676 | 1026Brigand 163715 | 925Guardian(MT) 157874 | 892Warlock 153978 | 870Assassin 131385 | 742Assassin 127962 | 723Swashbuckler 126916 | 717Bruiser 121201 | 685Assassin 118727 | 671Bruiser 118551 | 670Ranger 92188 | 521Dirge 74396 | 420Monk 73613 | 416Coercer 63646 | 360Dirge 62736 | 354Troubador 60534 | 342Gnorbl the PlayfulRaid: 03:25 | 2251214 | 10982Wizard 274911 | 1341Warlock 204746 | 999Conjuror 187325 | 914Assassin 148162 | 723Brigand 140823 | 687Assassin 134517 | 656Assassin 128058 | 625Swashbuckler 127729 | 623Ranger 126889 | 619Berserker 126646 | 618Bruiser 111750 | 545Monk 100101 | 488Guardian(MT) 85514 | 417Bruiser 69881 | 341Dirge 62764 | 306Coercer 45306 | 221Dirge 36912 | 180Troubador 28840 | 141Combined Zone ParseRaid: 57:50 | 37314878 | 10754Conjuror 3735241 | 1076Wizard 3634970 | 1048Warlock 2986815 | 861Berserker 2594341 | 748Guardian(MT) 2296367 | 662Bruiser 2119918 | 611Assassin 2068356 | 596Brigand 1966217 | 567Swashbuckler 1952877 | 563Assassin 1928623 | 556Assassin 1918791 | 553Ranger 1906282 | 549Monk 1634082 | 471Bruiser 1430166 | 412Dirge 1330415 | 383Dirge 1012865 | 292Troubador 865076 | 249Coercer 676114 | 195
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08-05-2006, 03:24 AM
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if you parse my ext dps for the zone i come in at 1305 I wonder if the difference is less hate reduction for you? (i also had amends up to essence of fear) so potentially I had 62% more hate reduction. if you did have harmonious link, then I bet our differences was amends?
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08-05-2006, 03:47 AM
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I had Harmonious Link yes.There's a fair few variables to the parses, but yeah I didn't have Amends, and our raid seemed to have a bit higher DPS then yours did, which would naturally lower my DPS as others are doing more on average then your raid.But that isn't really the interesting bit, the bit I pay notice to is how much lower some of the other classes are in comparison to you in your parses, and visa versa for mine.
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08-05-2006, 03:59 AM
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Are you in a guild that raids consistantly? Namely a high end raiding guild or in a guild that just raids a time or 2 a week? That may be the difference. The raid that Illu is refering to is a raid set-up by the guild that I am a member of and a lot of the members do not raid with us on every single raid and we do not raid every single night. The difference may be in gear/spell quality between our raid and yours. =D
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08-05-2006, 04:37 AM
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we also have been lacking a brigand(for about 2 months), and our conj who usually matches me on parses wasn't there this time, and the other wizzie who can do about 90-95% of my dps too.
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08-05-2006, 04:45 AM
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The difference for me most of the time is if I get a troub + coercer + amends. with that combo I usually can go full burn and only sometimes kill the paly, without it I have to wait till the first mob is nearly dead before using fusion, and I cant do fun stuff like put surging tempest on an off target and protoferno on another, then switch back to the ma target and continue burning it down. Even with all that hate reduction I still dont see it as enough (since the paly is still getting agro, and without amends I get the agro) I'm wondering If I should try a guardian and get moderate (33% hate reduc) instead of amending the paly. Although now that I think about it, this raid the paly was doing anywhere from 800-900 dps, so me giving him 800ish dps of hate may have been what was getting him killed.
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08-05-2006, 05:24 PM
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Illu... based on your parses.. i must say that your conjurer, necro, monk and scouts do lack dps
.. just to point that out... I can barely keep up with a conjurer. or unless you're just posting parses in which you're at the top. 80% of the time I raid.. i'm usually under a summoner, or a predator.Message Edited by Admhel on 08-05-2006 09:25 AM |
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08-05-2006, 07:50 PM
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hehe ! nope IT is not posting only the good parses, would be cheating, and I don't think he's the kind of guy who cheats.Now it is true that I can't think of a way to have 30% or more damages than the best conjurers of Synergy. I'm allways under 1 or 2 of them when I merge all fights of a raid (and one scout as well). Maybe I got one raid a month where I beat them. Harla Dar being an example.I would say IT is very good AND his fellow conjurers needs to upgrade their stuff
 now as far as I'm concerned, I learnt a lot of things about my own DPS/casting order/agro managing in this board with him, and that the important thing. IMO. (no H)
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08-05-2006, 09:30 PM
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I tend to have more support than him (troub buffs + harmonious link ect), and he's not fully aa'd yet (37 last i was told). when he does go full out he can pull agro and die usually around 2k dps, where when im raid buffed I can usually max out and still not pull agro. I also post the zone parses every time I post a parse of our last raids, I cant fudge those #'s, and the zone parses dont always tell the whole story, like who was there the whole time, who left early, (the necro has been 2 boxing lately--mystic--, and is parsing in the top 4--so i'd say he's definately not slacking the monk is in my guild and is 3 masters shy of being fully mastered, finally won one of the twin calamities, and has been doing 1k dps pretty consistantly when he tries. the bruiser has done 2k dps before but tends to pull agro too much so he usually drops his dps down pretty low. our ranger can do 1-1.4k pretty consistantly but needs a fabled bow, he picked up a fabled 1hndr and gained another 150 dps on the zone parses from 750is to almost 900. so he's getting up there too.
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08-05-2006, 11:29 PM
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IllusiveThoughts or others when do u start to aoe? looks like with the dps the tank is putting out and any kinda of hate generation and/or reducer you guys can start to aoe early? about how long untill u guys aoe? and did i c someone say 2 ap a week with raids? ps Thanks all, for the posts. |
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08-06-2006, 12:15 AM
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*edit* although without at least a troub and harmonious link, i get conservative on aoe's and do not use fusion until the first mob is nearly dead, and have it macro'ed to let people know i'm going to die. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 08-05-2006 01:16 PM
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08-06-2006, 12:32 AM
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Yeah, I see that every fight O_O.
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08-06-2006, 12:38 AM
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I need the Paladin to soak me if I'm going to fusion trash. As for regular AoEs I use them pretty early then settle down for single target spells, too much AoE is a bit iffy when I have both of them mastered, I try to alternate between AoE and single target spells.Fusion generaly only come out for named.
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08-06-2006, 02:37 AM
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I'am not parsing myself so I cant post single fight parses here. This is our last HoS run: -Dps Parse- (01:15:00) 55281427 | 12262.96 Fomka (me) 5034202 | 1116.73 Assassin 4472864 | 992.21 Wiz 4075856 | 904.14 Ranger 4039678 | 896.11 Assassin 3711898 | 823.40 Necro 3536783 | 784.56 Warlock 3493235 | 774.90 Assassin 3425172 | 759.80 Conj 3289709 | 729.75 Ranger 3060370 | 678.88 Conj 2839577 | 629.90 Bruiser 2460841 | 545.88 Bers 2044307 | 453.48 Guard 1949725 | 432.50 Others imho dont matter. I was afk for 2 or 3 firsr encounters and because of my slack I was in grp without troub (and any other usefull buffs) for like 30 mins. After this I was moved to the grp with troub. But I dont think it makes very much difference, mb my dps could be between 1.2-1.3k. Also I think our necro was slacking, coz usually he hits more dps than this.
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08-06-2006, 06:58 PM
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Wizards Tend to parse higher on HOS . i think the mobs have a lower heat/cold resist base. and your necro Freind wasnt slacking , all the mobs in that zone have a nasty close range AOE's so necro pets dont last long enough to do any real DPS. |
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08-06-2006, 08:37 PM
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As far as i know summoners can choose AA line with aoe immune to their pet. So aoe is not a problem.
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08-06-2006, 08:53 PM
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we tend to parse higher because of our ranged dps and that the mobs have mele range aoe's. so while other classes are getting beat on / killed by the aoe we can kick back and crank out some dps.
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