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Old 01-13-2005, 12:04 AM   #31
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The Illusionist is the key to your success, whether he knows it or not.  A mob with no specials is completely at the mercy of our debuffs.
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Old 01-13-2005, 01:31 AM   #32
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Yeah I think Selnar needs to try playing solo healer with no chanter. I think youll find your debuffs(besides slow)are garbage, and all wards need to be boosted badly. Do you really think that we should have to land FOUR debuffs just to make our special heal practical? ROFL come on dude you need someone dedicated to stripping the power off a mob AND a Templar doing most of the healing work to make them feasible. It's the chanter making it work not you.
 
Face the facts, we cannot be the solo healer in a group in instances where druids and clerics can because of the weaknesses inherent in the implementation of wards. This flies in the face of what SOE has said from the beginning,"All healing classes will be of equal value.". If they would just do something about it we could end this stupid debate. However I am giving up on getting anything accomplished on the message board here. In fact the recent nerf of our busted ward(5 second timer) is because some IDIOT 32 monk and a few mystics took out Doomsquall by chain warding the monk for half an hour. Then they posted the logs on the official monk board and bragged about it getting monks and us nerfed. If anything I would think a gang of templars or druids could accomplish that even better than we can, but now we are even further below them. I could live with the 5 second timer if they would just fix the stupid thing and put it in line with the other classes specials. As of now I dont even touch single target wards, too mana inefficient vs decent monsters(white and higher) who take it off in one shot when my tank has 2600 AC and can mitigate most of that damage. Pretty sad that our class defining ability is useless(at least at level 35).
 
Im going to slink back into the shadows I think, coming on here and complaining doesnt seem to accomplish anything. On the bright side I get serpent form in half a level =)
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Old 01-13-2005, 02:01 AM   #33
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I didn't even notice it was two healers PLUS a chanter.  Yikes, I see why it works now for sure.
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Old 01-13-2005, 03:01 AM   #34
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In fact the recent nerf of our busted ward(5 second timer) is because some IDIOT 32 monk and a few mystics took out Doomsquall by chain warding the monk for half an hour. Then they posted the logs on the official monk board and bragged about it getting monks and us nerfed.


LOL!  Sorry but you're dead wrong.  Assuming you're referring to THIS post:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=3099&highlight=doomsquall#M3099, you need to get your facts straight before you spew garbage like this.  That IDIOT 32 Monk is in my guild, and I was the only Mystic in that group.  The other 2 healers in the group were actually a Druid and a Cleric, which is stated quite clearly in his post.  And I FAR from chained Wards.  The fact is Doomsquall rarely landed a hit on the Monk.  Doing enough damage to Doomsquall before our power ran out was the biggest challange, which we overcame by chaining the Chalise HO.  Personally I still think Doomsquall's damage output was bugged for whatever reason.

I promise you, that Doomsquall kill had nothing to do with Ward recast timers getting linked.

 

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Old 01-13-2005, 08:40 AM   #35
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Lol Grape dont tell me i need something to make my class work, becuz you cant play yours.  Ive been in about every scenario imaginable on my mystic and have done fine in all of them.  Dont get me wrong a bad group is a bad group, but in a good group etc be it with one healer, or 2.  With a chanter type or not you adjust and play your class accordingly. 
 
Ive done the solo healer thing and i personally prefer not too, BUT if its that or nothing i do it and amazingly enough if you dont play with stupid people ti works, as do most group setups nowadays, some are ezier than others but most groups can work
 
you just appear to hate your class man, use what you got to your advantage.  Yes im lucky enought to be in a great group set-up that allows me to use my abilities to their utmost.   Dont hate me cuz im lucky
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Old 01-13-2005, 02:08 PM   #36
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Selnar wrote:
...you just appear to hate your class man, use what you got to your advantage.  Yes im lucky enought to be in a great group set-up that allows me to use my abilities to their utmost.   Dont hate me cuz im lucky

I don't hate you because you're lucky, but I do discount your 'views' because you are not talking about the same thing we are.  With your regular group set up you simply aren't encountering the issue.  A paladin wouldn't have problems healing a party if he had a tank 3 levels higher, a second healer and a target with no power.
 
Well, duh.
 
I'm getting to the stage where I'm ready to do some desperate board trolling to get some attention to us mystics.  Has anyone ever seen a dev comment on wards?
 
I'm just getting sick of it not being worth casting my class-defining 'heal'.  Even when I'm soloing, It's pointless casting ward - by the time the target stops doing specials (is OOP), it's nearly dead and Slow takes care of the normal damage.
I'm not even sure Slow is effecting the specials.  In fact, thinking about when I've been slowed by a target, I think it doesn't.  This is just ridiculous.
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Old 01-13-2005, 02:48 PM   #37
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If you want to have fun as a mystic group with a second healer (not a shaman) or a enchanter.  Anything else is just too much work for an xp grind.  Grouping with a good enchanter is a thing to behold but that takes a lot of work on their part.
 
I'm not sure anybody at Sony that could understand the issues even reads these boards.   I don't know of any other way to get real information from them either.  Even without a promise of a change, an explaintion of intent  would go a long way to setting expectations and let customers enjoy the game a lot more.  I know  it been rough for designers to poke their heads out on public boards because people tend to come at them with claws sharpened.  Just look at all the "Moorguard you have to read this" and "fix my pet issue or I quit"  posts that I'm sure get ignored.
 
As to our solo healing, our group with a pick up tank, a bit low (44 or 45 think) did a level 50 name + 2 friends with the templar afk on follow, the fight was trivial.  Came back after the templar camped and almost couldn't keep the tank alive for the single roamer, we had to leave the named up.  The shaman and templer buffs when stacked are like adding 3 or more levels to the tank.  Bottom line was even though we could function with just a mystic healer it wasn't nearly as effective and there were things we just had to skip.
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Old 01-13-2005, 11:51 PM   #38
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If you really want to have fun as the only healer in a group, then group with both a Troubador and a Dirge. Insane damage and awesome buffs = mobs die so fast you barely need to heal.
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Old 01-14-2005, 12:27 AM   #39
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No matter which way people try to cut it.Our Debuff+Debuff+Debuff+Ward = Cleric 1 healing spell / Druid 1 healing spell.Seems alittle out of balance to me.
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Old 01-14-2005, 12:56 AM   #40
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OK Selnar I didn't insult you but you feel the need to insult me so go [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] yourself. There's a reason you "dont prefer" to play solo healer, ITS BECAUSE YOU CANT AGAINST ANYTHING HIGHER THAN GROUP WHITE. I have given up on trying to play solo healer in any challenging situation. I only group with guildies now like you and like you I HAVE to be with a real healer/enchanter/both to be of any real value to a group, the difference is I am man enough to admit it, you on the other hand are delusional if you think you can be a solo healer in lets say Runnyeye or EL or EF or RV or zek or any mid30s+ zone without a chanter pumping you full of power and draining the mobs dry or a templar doing all the heavy work. We are not primary healers. Period. We are damage preventers and back up healers and backup DPS when the group is dps light. This would be fine with me if SOE would have come out and said this from the beginning but the official line is something entirely different. If you play mystic so much better than me go out tonight and be solo healer with no chanter/bard past the bridge in RE and let us know how far you get with no deaths. Lets see some logs too Mr.Supermystic. Make sure you fight some named mobs too so you can REALLY shine. I bet the clay insurgent wipes you let alone the butcher or a real mob. Or if you "dont prefer" runnyeye go kill some group class rats in rivervale, watch how fast your group dies because you cant do jack [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] as solo healer vs anything with real dps. I can see it now "OMG that rat just took my ancestral ward off and my tank down to half health in one round! How can I have time to stack 4 debuffs on it when I actually have to heal!?" followed by "Oh no I dont have any power left and that rat's health is still yellow! Evac evac evac evac evac". You are a counter productive jerkoff who must enjoy [Removed for Content] into the wind because "It's not pee its warm rain! Don't hate me because I like warm rain!".
 
As far as the "IDIOT monk" is concerned I heard about that second hand from the monks in my guild who watch the message boards, and the level 50 monk in my guild as well as the level 35 I always group with were both livid about that situation after the nerfs came down. I also heard that several monks bashed the hell out of your friend both here and on nonofficial message boards so it appears you are in the miniority on that viewpoint. I should have put "IDIOT monk" in quotes because thats how Ive always seen him referred to by other people. My bad. If it's true he's responsible for the nerfs(which I cant say for sure as I don't work for SOE) then he really is stupid for doing something cool/borderline exploitive in game and then bragging about it on official boards. I mean he must be doing something wrong when everyone I know in his community refers to him as IDIOT or [Removed for Content] or [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] or [Removed for Content] or etc.... instead of by whatever his name is. Sorry I don't care enough to look at the threads and post all the nasty things said about that monk but I have bigger problems than showing you how much everyone hates you and your friend for what you accomplished. Like our pathetic wards and our communities own IDIOTS like Selnar for example.
 
 
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Old 01-14-2005, 12:59 AM   #41
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I think it's telling that you can go to the Fury forum and see long threads [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing about their ability to heal.  You can then move on to the Warden site and see the same thing.  We all know that the Mystic and Defiler sites are similar.  Then you move on to the Templar site and they are discussing which of their reactive heals stack.  No issues with their ability to heal.  Not feeling under-powered.  Just trying to flesh out their strategies.  It must be nice. :smileyindifferent:
 
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:42 AM   #42
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BD:  I can tell you for a fact, Slow does not affect Specials.  Those work just like they do for players.  They have a re-use timer that must expire before the mob can use it again and Slow does nothing to re-use timers.
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Old 01-14-2005, 03:26 AM   #43
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grapenutz wrote:
 
As far as the "IDIOT monk" is concerned I heard about that second hand from the monks in my guild who watch the message boards, and the level 50 monk in my guild as well as the level 35 I always group with were both livid about that situation after the nerfs came down. I also heard that several monks bashed the hell out of your friend both here and on nonofficial message boards so it appears you are in the miniority on that viewpoint. I should have put "IDIOT monk" in quotes because thats how Ive always seen him referred to by other people. My bad. If it's true he's responsible for the nerfs(which I cant say for sure as I don't work for SOE) then he really is stupid for doing something cool/borderline exploitive in game and then bragging about it on official boards. I mean he must be doing something wrong when everyone I know in his community refers to him as IDIOT or [Removed for Content] or [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] or [Removed for Content] or etc.... instead of by whatever his name is. Sorry I don't care enough to look at the threads and post all the nasty things said about that monk but I have bigger problems than showing you how much everyone hates you and your friend for what you accomplished. Like our pathetic wards and our communities own IDIOTS like Selnar for example.
 
 


If you read that thread nobody is bashing anybody.  There's like 8 posts total in the thread and all of them say "cool nice job".  I did a seach of Doomsquall on these Monk forums and the EQ2 forum on Monkly Business and nothing came up ... besides my guildmate's thread and the recent patch notes.  Either we're talking about two different things or your guild's Monks are spoon feeding you 100% Grade A BullS***.

Speaking of which, how exactly were Monks nerfed?  I looked all over the Monk forum and couldn't find a single post referring to a nerf.

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Old 01-14-2005, 04:50 AM   #44
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First, Grape your post to me seemed condescending so i responded in an insulting way, if i was mistaken, i apologize. 
 
2ndly i have grouped as the only healer in RE np with no  chanter, pure dps group and it worked.  I can also say that we didnt just run around pulling anything a lil more caution is needed but i would never join a group with the intentions of killing grouped white con mobs, its a waste of time.  i dont know i really dont seem to have the complaints other people do.  I take my class as it is and i work with it. 
 
I like my class, in general im happy with my performance. I do not care about DPS or this would be a huge complaint as my dots with app3 cold fire and adept1 Miasma, combined do around 120 per-tick, Touch of the Grey hits for around low 100's.  Not really good dps for the level we are looking at.  But i didnt start a mystic with the intentions of adding DPS so no complaint on my part.
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Kalamos wrote:

If you read that thread nobody is bashing anybody.  There's like 8 posts total in the thread and all of them say "cool nice job".  I did a seach of Doomsquall on these Monk forums and the EQ2 forum on Monkly Business and nothing came up ... besides my guildmate's thread and the recent patch notes.  Either we're talking about two different things or your guild's Monks are spoon feeding you 100% Grade A BullS***.

Speaking of which, how exactly were Monks nerfed?  I looked all over the Monk forum and couldn't find a single post referring to a nerf.

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just becuase its not on the monk thread doesnt mean they werent nerfed...it just means it wasnt to a point where people really cared about it
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