Reckless Stance

Bastis · 07-26-2012, 09:42 PM

SOE why in the world make a new stance, why not just increase dps on offensive stance. The -Hate on Reckless stance means nothing, dps = hate and tanks are doing absurd numbers now 2 million plus, it's the new tanking stance. Was this intended?

DarkelfOften · 07-27-2012, 12:48 AM

What is Reckless Stance and when will my bezerker get it? Whatever it is it sounds great from what I'm hearing.

Landiin · 07-27-2012, 03:28 AM

You already have it Dark. It went live the 24th of this month.

UnderToad · 07-27-2012, 07:20 AM

To be fair, I'm pretty sure they also incur +100% damage.

Landiin · 07-27-2012, 11:49 AM

UnderToad wrote:

To be fair, I'm pretty sure they also incur +100% damage.

IIRC it is 50% more but that is easly healed through by most healers in heroic settings.

Gilasil · 07-27-2012, 12:11 PM

So a fighter in reckless can still tank in heroic because the healer can handle it?

My beastlord can tank in most heroic instances with good healing. I've heard healers boast they could keep a wizard up for tanking. In PUGs we've had all sorts of scout tanking. Pretty much anyone can tank a lot of heroic content as long as they have good healing and generate enough hate to hold aggro.

hansomepete · 07-27-2012, 06:17 PM

Reckless stance is a joke.

Who in their right mind would take a stance that gives you 50% more damage?? even with the 50% potency I did not notice better damage. I did notice that My health was down to almost nothing with the mit changes and my self healing nerfed to all heck.

So they take away your mit, take away your self heal, don't know about you, but I use to have 114% now it's 53%, they give you a 5% damage reduction, and a stance that increases your damage taken by 50% yea that's fair!!

It's a slap in the face is what it is.

Neiloch · 07-27-2012, 08:41 PM

Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness.

DarkelfOften · 07-28-2012, 04:08 AM

hansomepete wrote:

Reckless stance is a joke.
Who in their right mind would take a stance that gives you 50% more damage??

Anyone, for some situations.

Davngr1 · 07-28-2012, 04:24 AM

hansomepete wrote:

Reckless stance is a joke.
Who in their right mind would take a stance that gives you 50% more damage?? even with the 50% potency I did not notice better damage. I did notice that My health was down to almost nothing with the mit changes and my self healing nerfed to all heck.
So they take away your mit, take away your self heal, don't know about you, but I use to have 114% now it's 53%, they give you a 5% damage reduction, and a stance that increases your damage taken by 50% yea that's fair!!
It's a slap in the face is what it is.

crusaders = broken. warlock with plate, deathsaves, stoneskins and heals. lol

brawlers = ok boost vs. squish

warrior = useless

Slittherss · 07-28-2012, 09:40 AM

[email protected] wrote:

Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness.

#2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks SMILEY

Slittherss · 07-28-2012, 09:43 AM

though on a serious note....lol grats sony for further screwing the Wizard, Ranger and Assassin, Necro, Conj. If it wasn't for the debuffs from the swash/brig we'd be on the chopping block as well. Cause any player with half a brain can roll up a Crusader or Brawler and just Lolerskate all over those DPS classes with their dmg.

Yimway · 07-30-2012, 05:51 PM

Slittherss wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness.
#2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks

I'm quite surprised just how much I can tank in this stance.

Not something I'm using on HM fights, but almost all EM I can do this as long as I pay attention and block the important bits.

Also, there isn't remotely enough of a hate penalty, as its still very easy to hold agro while in the stance.

Much like good healers can heal thru the revised coop strike, good heals can heal thru reckless.

ratbast · 07-30-2012, 06:25 PM

Slittherss wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness.
#2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks

its not about the content, its about how geared they are in relation to it.

this is a claim of ppl tanking in reckless in content they are evenly geared for. obviously pow geared groups could heal a reckless tank thru heroic UD. thats not a question since they are way overgeared.

evenly-matched geared end-game content can be tanked in reckless?

i was thinking it was a problem if fighters could tank in reckless for their easier farm mobs. stuff they are overgeared for. not final zone of current content.

Rasttan · 07-30-2012, 06:27 PM

[email protected] wrote:

Slittherss wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness.
#2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks
I'm quite surprised just how much I can tank in this stance.
Not something I'm using on HM fights, but almost all EM I can do this as long as I pay attention and block the important bits.
Also, there isn't remotely enough of a hate penalty, as its still very easy to hold agro while in the stance.
Much like good healers can heal thru the revised coop strike, good heals can heal thru reckless.

You can equip a shield in this stance and get all your block chance all plates can, brawlers cant id imagine thats a huge plus in your favor. Speaking of block didnt plates just pass brawlers in base block chance with the recent increase in shield ratings.

Tekadeo · 07-30-2012, 06:33 PM

They should add a -2 threat priority component when attacked as well as not allow anyone to use a shield while it's up.

Yimway · 07-30-2012, 07:33 PM

Tekadeo wrote:

They should add a -2 threat priority component when attacked as well as not allow anyone to use a shield while it's up.

-2 priority means you'd never get aggro, I'm not sure that is fair to true dps classes.

I do agree that being able to use a shield with it on is sorta broken. If I couldn't use the shield, I wouldn't be able to tank raid mobs in reckless.

Neiloch · 07-30-2012, 09:33 PM

[email protected] wrote:

Tekadeo wrote:
They should add a -2 threat priority component when attacked as well as not allow anyone to use a shield while it's up.
-2 priority means you'd never get aggro, I'm not sure that is fair to true dps classes.
I do agree that being able to use a shield with it on is sorta broken. If I couldn't use the shield, I wouldn't be able to tank raid mobs in reckless.

They could put a block removal on it similar to singular focus. I can think of at least one fight where constantly depositioning while being able to DPS would be EXTREMELY op.

malachaio · 07-31-2012, 12:48 AM

I don't like this stance, it doesn't have the same effect for every fighter. Some fighters benefit a lot for potency and some don't. I can't believe this was intended.

Yimway · 07-31-2012, 01:42 PM

malachaio wrote:

I don't like this stance, it doesn't have the same effect for every fighter. Some fighters benefit a lot for potency and some don't. I can't believe this was intended.

It was intended, but with many broad strokes they do, poorly thought out.

The very idea that a single stance could be applied evenly to all fighters was pretty much bogus out the gate.

I'm waiting for someone to accuse Xelgad of playing an SK in some raid guild....

/me reminisces on past class devs

Oh wait, for that to be true, devs would actually still play this game... nevermind.

07-27-2012, 03:28 AM	#3
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	You already have it Dark. It went live the 24th of this month. __________________

07-27-2012, 11:49 AM	#5
Landiin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,749	UnderToad wrote: To be fair, I'm pretty sure they also incur +100% damage. IIRC it is 50% more but that is easly healed through by most healers in heroic settings. __________________

07-27-2012, 08:41 PM	#8
Neiloch Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,430	Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness. __________________

07-28-2012, 04:08 AM	#9
DarkelfOften Defender Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 158	hansomepete wrote: Reckless stance is a joke. Who in their right mind would take a stance that gives you 50% more damage?? Anyone, for some situations. __________________ MARRY A NPC! http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=520433

07-28-2012, 04:24 AM	#10
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	hansomepete wrote: Reckless stance is a joke. Who in their right mind would take a stance that gives you 50% more damage?? even with the 50% potency I did not notice better damage. I did notice that My health was down to almost nothing with the mit changes and my self healing nerfed to all heck. So they take away your mit, take away your self heal, don't know about you, but I use to have 114% now it's 53%, they give you a 5% damage reduction, and a stance that increases your damage taken by 50% yea that's fair!! It's a slap in the face is what it is. crusaders = broken. warlock with plate, deathsaves, stoneskins and heals. lol brawlers = ok boost vs. squish warrior = useless __________________

07-26-2012, 09:42 PM	#1
Bastis Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 23	SOE why in the world make a new stance, why not just increase dps on offensive stance. The -Hate on Reckless stance means nothing, dps = hate and tanks are doing absurd numbers now 2 million plus, it's the new tanking stance. Was this intended?

07-27-2012, 12:48 AM	#2
DarkelfOften Defender Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 158	What is Reckless Stance and when will my bezerker get it? Whatever it is it sounds great from what I'm hearing. __________________ MARRY A NPC! http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=520433

07-27-2012, 07:20 AM	#4
UnderToad Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 120	To be fair, I'm pretty sure they also incur +100% damage.

07-27-2012, 12:11 PM	#6
Gilasil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 907	So a fighter in reckless can still tank in heroic because the healer can handle it? My beastlord can tank in most heroic instances with good healing. I've heard healers boast they could keep a wizard up for tanking. In PUGs we've had all sorts of scout tanking. Pretty much anyone can tank a lot of heroic content as long as they have good healing and generate enough hate to hold aggro.

07-27-2012, 06:17 PM	#7
hansomepete Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 229	Reckless stance is a joke. Who in their right mind would take a stance that gives you 50% more damage?? even with the 50% potency I did not notice better damage. I did notice that My health was down to almost nothing with the mit changes and my self healing nerfed to all heck. So they take away your mit, take away your self heal, don't know about you, but I use to have 114% now it's 53%, they give you a 5% damage reduction, and a stance that increases your damage taken by 50% yea that's fair!! It's a slap in the face is what it is.

07-28-2012, 09:40 AM	#11
Slittherss Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11	[email protected] wrote: Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness. #2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks __________________ Kharnage - 92 Berserker Unrest Grumice - 92 Brigand Unrest Salizzaarr - 92 Warden Unrest Marekiz - 92 Conjurer Unrest Making mediocrity work in MMO's since 1999.

07-28-2012, 09:43 AM	#12
Slittherss Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11	though on a serious note....lol grats sony for further screwing the Wizard, Ranger and Assassin, Necro, Conj. If it wasn't for the debuffs from the swash/brig we'd be on the chopping block as well. Cause any player with half a brain can roll up a Crusader or Brawler and just Lolerskate all over those DPS classes with their dmg. __________________ Kharnage - 92 Berserker Unrest Grumice - 92 Brigand Unrest Salizzaarr - 92 Warden Unrest Marekiz - 92 Conjurer Unrest Making mediocrity work in MMO's since 1999.

07-30-2012, 05:51 PM	#13
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Slittherss wrote: [email protected] wrote: Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness. #2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks I'm quite surprised just how much I can tank in this stance. Not something I'm using on HM fights, but almost all EM I can do this as long as I pay attention and block the important bits. Also, there isn't remotely enough of a hate penalty, as its still very easy to hold agro while in the stance. Much like good healers can heal thru the revised coop strike, good heals can heal thru reckless. __________________

07-30-2012, 06:25 PM	#14
ratbast Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 365	Slittherss wrote: [email protected] wrote: Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness. #2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks its not about the content, its about how geared they are in relation to it. this is a claim of ppl tanking in reckless in content they are evenly geared for. obviously pow geared groups could heal a reckless tank thru heroic UD. thats not a question since they are way overgeared. evenly-matched geared end-game content can be tanked in reckless? i was thinking it was a problem if fighters could tank in reckless for their easier farm mobs. stuff they are overgeared for. not final zone of current content.

07-30-2012, 06:27 PM	#15
Rasttan Server: Unrest Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 160	[email protected] wrote: Slittherss wrote: [email protected] wrote: Our tanks can tank PoW trash in recklessness. #2 guild WW i sure hope he/she can...lol now how about the other oh 90% of all non raid main top 10 guilds WW tanks I'm quite surprised just how much I can tank in this stance. Not something I'm using on HM fights, but almost all EM I can do this as long as I pay attention and block the important bits. Also, there isn't remotely enough of a hate penalty, as its still very easy to hold agro while in the stance. Much like good healers can heal thru the revised coop strike, good heals can heal thru reckless. You can equip a shield in this stance and get all your block chance all plates can, brawlers cant id imagine thats a huge plus in your favor. Speaking of block didnt plates just pass brawlers in base block chance with the recent increase in shield ratings.

07-30-2012, 06:33 PM	#16
Tekadeo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 364	They should add a -2 threat priority component when attacked as well as not allow anyone to use a shield while it's up. __________________

07-30-2012, 07:33 PM	#17
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Tekadeo wrote: They should add a -2 threat priority component when attacked as well as not allow anyone to use a shield while it's up. -2 priority means you'd never get aggro, I'm not sure that is fair to true dps classes. I do agree that being able to use a shield with it on is sorta broken. If I couldn't use the shield, I wouldn't be able to tank raid mobs in reckless. __________________

07-30-2012, 09:33 PM	#18
Neiloch Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,430	[email protected] wrote: Tekadeo wrote: They should add a -2 threat priority component when attacked as well as not allow anyone to use a shield while it's up. -2 priority means you'd never get aggro, I'm not sure that is fair to true dps classes. I do agree that being able to use a shield with it on is sorta broken. If I couldn't use the shield, I wouldn't be able to tank raid mobs in reckless. They could put a block removal on it similar to singular focus. I can think of at least one fight where constantly depositioning while being able to DPS would be EXTREMELY op. __________________

07-31-2012, 12:48 AM	#19
malachaio Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	I don't like this stance, it doesn't have the same effect for every fighter. Some fighters benefit a lot for potency and some don't. I can't believe this was intended.

07-31-2012, 01:42 PM	#20
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	malachaio wrote: I don't like this stance, it doesn't have the same effect for every fighter. Some fighters benefit a lot for potency and some don't. I can't believe this was intended. It was intended, but with many broad strokes they do, poorly thought out. The very idea that a single stance could be applied evenly to all fighters was pretty much bogus out the gate. I'm waiting for someone to accuse Xelgad of playing an SK in some raid guild.... /me reminisces on past class devs Oh wait, for that to be true, devs would actually still play this game... nevermind. __________________