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Old 07-19-2012, 02:18 PM   #1
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First off, if you don't want to see ANYTHING about the Qeynos revamp ahead of time, stop reading now.

Secondly, I haven't run any of the Qeynos quests, but was running Tinkerfest on Test today and caught the entire oration speech. So maybe I'm missing something from the quests so far (I have been filled in with the generic lore behind what's going on with the city), but I really don't understand why Kyle and Antonia both mention Drinal. Also asked a few people who have run a bunch of the quests and they're not sure why, either.

I logged everything but the first line of the oration, which was:Kyle Antihilus Bayle says, "Citizens! The might of the Bayle line guides me!"

[Thu Jul 19 12:53:09 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "In the dark times we see ahead, only I can bring you triumphs as my ancestors did."[Thu Jul 19 12:53:19 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "My knowledge of the foul pretenders, our enemies Lucan D`Lere and Drinal, is needed for us to prevail."[Thu Jul 19 12:53:29 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "It is not luck that I have returned now, the firstborn son of Antonius Bayle III, to take my rightful place on the throne."[Thu Jul 19 12:53:39 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "I laid down my life to be reborn to serve and save you from ruin."[Thu Jul 19 12:53:45 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "I suffer in this immortal form for you willingly, my fellow people of Qeynos. I've come to lead you out of the darkness and into the light of victory."[Thu Jul 19 12:53:55 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "You are soft in the hands of Antonia. Discipline is weak amongst you."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:03 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "Uniting with the scourge of Freeport is unforgiveable. We must fortify our walls and protect who and what we are."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:13 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "No more will your pride be tarnished by an alignment with evil."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:20 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "With the throne, I vow to strengthen you as I have so many others."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:28 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "You will become unshakeable and undefeated as all Bayles before me."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:36 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "No compromise."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:38 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "No failure."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:40 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "Only victory and dominion over Norrath."[Thu Jul 19 12:54:53 2012] aNPC 1202999 an onlooking citizen:an onlooking citizen/a says, "Look! It is Queen Antonia Byle!"[Thu Jul 19 12:54:54 2012] #FF0000Queen Antonia Bayle has appeared to address the public![Thu Jul 19 12:55:18 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "I did not know you had such wavering confidence in my leadership, Kyle Antihilus Bayle."[Thu Jul 19 12:55:23 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "As rightful queen, I have something to enlighten the good citizens of Qeynos as well."[Thu Jul 19 12:55:35 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "My most gracious citizens."[Thu Jul 19 12:55:40 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "We are not weakened nor compromised in our endeavors."[Thu Jul 19 12:55:47 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "In my time as Queen, we have overcome great threats and tyranny to find ourselves in an era of unity and prosperity."[Thu Jul 19 12:55:55 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "All of us, here and abroad, wish to live free! And our combined power has seen us triumph time and again."[Thu Jul 19 12:56:05 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "I implore you all to keep your aim true on the righteous path. Our power is in this united purpose."[Thu Jul 19 12:56:13 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "Do not be lured astray by the false promises of Kyle Bayle and his kind."[Thu Jul 19 12:56:22 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "If his heart was with the people he would share his knowledge, not use it as a threat to deliver my throne to him!"[Thu Jul 19 12:56:30 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "And I am flesh and blood. Kyle, in his now-immortal form, is as great a pretender as Sir Lucan and Drinal!"[Thu Jul 19 12:56:40 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "We are the ones whose blood will spill. Not his. He bears no sacrifice or suffering."[Thu Jul 19 12:56:48 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "Our past is proven! Do not be swayed! Divided we splinter, grow brittle and crumble."[Thu Jul 19 12:56:58 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "Together, we are stronger than the heart of the Ironwood tree."[Thu Jul 19 12:57:03 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "Together, we are the unshakable might and will of the entire forest."[Thu Jul 19 12:57:26 2012] aNPC 1203054 Kyle Antihilus Bayle:Kyle Antihilus Bayle/a says, "We shall see, false Queen."[Thu Jul 19 12:57:44 2012] aNPC 1211110 Queen Antonia Bayle:Queen Antonia Bayle/a says, "Be brave, fellow citizens, and do not panic.  Qeynos needs you to stay informed and ready to act."

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:33 PM   #2
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*sigh* Guess I should've looked around better before posting, Whilhelmina already posted her speculation on the Test forum: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...=520289#5775937

So, I apologize for repeating an already asked question, but would appreciate any further speculation. SMILEY From what Whilhelmina showed, it wouldn't be surprising for Kyle to mention Drinal.. but then why does Antonia, as well?

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Old 07-19-2012, 07:38 PM   #3
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Given the information on that post and the log you posted here, I can think of a current Norrathian power that would likely see Drinal as an enemy - Anashti Sul.   Her gig now is undeath, which would deny Drinal the souls he would otherwise usher into Ethermere.  Sul and Kyle also have a link through the Void and Theer, and certainly Anashti would love to see the folks who support the upstart Rodcet taken down.  So I could see this tarring of Drinal as being a lead-in to promising eternal life to the good people of Qeynos, allowing Kyle (and his supporting diety) greater leverage to take over the city.

Except, of course, Kyle also says that he suffers in his eternal form for the sake of the people.  Which would make the promise of eternal life a little less attractive, I think.

Now, why Antonia would also consider Drinal an enemy, I haven't the foggiest.  It sounds like we've missed info somewhere.  And I can't imagine it's a live event plan, since a live event that would lead into the Qeynos revamp would have to be active now and tested months ago.

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Old 07-20-2012, 04:26 PM   #4
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Interesting.

I'll comment more on this later, but...who out there remembers the final phase of the world event that led into TSO?

I think that's about to come back to haunt us.  In more ways than one.

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Old 07-20-2012, 08:16 PM   #5
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I was informed that the text I posted is NOT the final text, so something in there is likely messed up. SMILEY

Yeah I remember the TSO prelude! I'm glad they're finally bringing Kyle back, not because I like his style but because it always felt like a loose end.

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I'd like to see how you can pain Drinal as a bad guy to the people of Qeynos. I can hear the street conversations.

"Did you hear that? We're being threatened by Drinal."

"The moon?"

"No, no. The god the moon is named for."

"Oh...what does he do again?"

"He sends dead spirits on."

"Awful lot of undead around, shouldn't he take care of that?"

"He doesn't really do anything on Norrath."

"Oh. Somehow I'm not worried."

"Yeah, me too."

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Old 07-22-2012, 11:09 AM   #7
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Meirril wrote:

I'd like to see how you can pain Drinal as a bad guy to the people of Qeynos. I can hear the street conversations.

"Did you hear that? We're being threatened by Drinal."

"The moon?"

"No, no. The god the moon is named for."

"Oh...what does he do again?"

"He sends dead spirits on."

"Awful lot of undead around, shouldn't he take care of that?"

"He doesn't really do anything on Norrath."

"Oh. Somehow I'm not worried."

"Yeah, me too."

Hah! I almost spit my coffee out, nice. SMILEY

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heh though I bet Drinal is awful darn busy guy. I mean...with us mass killing gnolls and orcs and droags and such...not to mention natural deaths..yep, he's busy. that why he has the Steward.

but I can also see that conversation going like this:

"Did you hear what Kyle said? Drinal is acting against us!"

"the moon is going to crash? again?!"

"No, not the moon...the guy it's named after."

"and he does...?"

"He's the silver reaper. runs ethernere..Death incarnate."

"Right. So Kyle Bayle, the undead, is tell us that Death himself is our enemy. The guy who died and came back."

"Yep."

"That means Drinal let him come back, right? he's not a necromancer pet or something?"

"Possibly."

"So his plan is...?"

"Fight death...oh and lucan."

"Lucan I get. but that other one. fight death. he wants us to take up arms against the incarnation of Death. the very being that says how long you live."

"That's the plan if he gets the throne, yes."

"I'm voting Antonia."

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OK, following up from earlier.

I think Kyle's core base of support is that Anashti cult glimpsed in the final world event running up to Shadow Odyssey.  You know, the one that was never spoken of again?

The one that's been running loose without much hindrance?

The one that probably supported his previous hijinks, just prior to Odus opening up?

The one that probably arranged for the Freeblood presence in Qeynos?

The one that the five rebel members of the Ten are probably members of...?

Interesting days for the Temple of Light.

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[email protected] wrote:

OK, following up from earlier.

I think Kyle's core base of support is that Anashti cult glimpsed in the final world event running up to Shadow Odyssey.  You know, the one that was never spoken of again?

The one that's been running loose without much hindrance?

The one that probably supported his previous hijinks, just prior to Odus opening up?

The one that probably arranged for the Freeblood presence in Qeynos?

The one that the five rebel members of the Ten are probably members of...?

Interesting days for the Temple of Light.

Just for the record, the whole Anashti Sul diety quest line is about that cult, so they're not exactly "never spoken of again."  Every worshipper of Anashti Sul is part of it.

The Freebloods are not directly related to the cult, unless a Freeblood chooses to worship Sul.  And the presence of Freebloods (and Ratonga) in Qeynos are among the things the dissidents are claiming as proof that Antonia's no longer looking into the best interests of Qeynos.  So I doubt the Freeblood presence is part of either Kyle or Anashti's plan (if, indeed, Anashti is supporting Kyle).

I am a bit confused how the Freeblood and Ratonga citizens can do some of the quests concerning Kyle and the dissidents, considering they are very up front about not wanting them around...

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none of the 'dissident' members of the circle are anashti followers.

most of the issue the dissident members have is Antonia's executive decision to join the Combine(aligned Qeynos with freeport/neriak/gorowyn) , her decision to send folks to rescue Lucan (rather then leave him and conquer/raze freeport) on the whole. some of them yes have particular barbs about the Freebloods and Ratonga, but not all of them.

Basically the Circle of Ten was running Qeynos until Antonia took the throne. and slowly but surely, she's been curbing thier power. they are beoming less a ruling body and more a council of advisors that don't have to be listened to. Some are looking to boost thier own political power/personal power.

Bellengere and Ironforge are examples of that.

Marik just thinks Antonia's gone soft against Lucan.

so they all got thier own reasons for dissenting. and Kyle has no connection to Anashti. his only dealings were with Theer...andhis deal was aparantly escape from the oblivion in return from bringing Theer Exonus.

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Ah.  Knew I was missing something.

In any event, the live version doesn't mention Drinal at all.  Guess it changed before it went out.

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[email protected] wrote:

Ah.  Knew I was missing something.

In any event, the live version doesn't mention Drinal at all.  Guess it changed before it went out.

Must have! I need to catch that speech soon, was too busy running around questing. SMILEY I wonder what possessed them to add that in in the first place though?

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Ah.  Knew I was missing something.

In any event, the live version doesn't mention Drinal at all.  Guess it changed before it went out.

Actually Kyle mentions Drinal as an enemy of Qeynos along with Lucan. Antonia doesn't mention Drinal. I can see why Kyle would want to convince the people to consider Drinal as an enemy, as Drinal is the most likely diety to take his existance as offensive and do something about it.

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