Thalumbra quests - feedback & bugs - Page 8

11-13-2015, 07:23 AM

Quest: Lore and Legend: Cepholex is level 80 instead of level 100. Is that intentional?

Chrol · 11-13-2015, 04:47 PM

Sigrdrifa said: ↑

“I finally, barely, managed to actually complete Swimming for Shrooms just now. The shrooms are still very hard to see. If they can't be made bigger, or higher contrast, maybe put more of them out there?

Also, it's just purely sadistic to put a school of young flesh rippers right at the natural point where one would jump into the water from the abandoned cart. Less geared or lower DPS folks might have a problem with those.

EDIT: I turned in the mushrooms and got my reward:

(1447381528)[Thu Nov 12 20:25:28 2015] You receive 1 Platinum, 53 Gold, 9 Silver for completing Swimming For Shrooms.

Then I went and ran all over Thalumbra with Tyshgwyn hunting aberrants. Then, finally, just as I arrived at the gates of Maldura I got these messages:

(1447382120)[Thu Nov 12 20:35:20 2015] #FFFF00The crate falls apart!
(1447382120)[Thu Nov 12 20:35:20 2015] #FFFF00Oh no! You couldn't save all the mushroom caps before they dissolved!

I'd done the crate quest not quite an hour earlier:

(1447379350)[Thu Nov 12 19:49:10 2015] #F781F3Deliver the crate to the platform above before it falls apart!

Edit 2: This quest should run a counter, much like the seagull and truffle hunt quests in AoM. The quest text showing in the journal has a 0/10, but never increments it. To know how many shrooms I've picked up, I drag one to a hotbar so I can see the number of them.”

Very strange that you'd receive those failure messages after already completing those quests. And the time you received them doesn't add up. I'll take a look at them.

I'll also see about editing the messaging on Swimming For Shrooms so it's easier to keep track of how many you collected. The quest is different than Seagull Slaying and The Great Truffle Hunt in that it has two steps within one part, whereas the latter two have just one step for each (kill seagulls and collect truffles, respectively).

Kaitheel · 11-13-2015, 05:11 PM

Nope! Thank you.

~ Kaitheel

Kaitheel · 11-13-2015, 05:13 PM

No, there is not. Thank you for your diligence though!

~ Kaitheel

Mogrim · 11-13-2015, 05:21 PM

Kaitheel - for those who want to be Diligent on that specific quest, could you have some sort of title fun for those who DO decide to pound their head into the wall? Tongue

Kaitheel · 11-13-2015, 05:22 PM

Not for Beta.

~ Kaitheel

Xianthia · 11-13-2015, 05:23 PM

Are the lore and legend items like prior ones, drops from mobs? I've killed over 150 cepholex today and have not looted any L&L items. I've not looked at the slayer numbers for the rest of the L&Ls that Sigrdrifa has listed, but I've not looted any for them either.

11-13-2015, 05:28 PM

So far, I have found cephoplex, fathomlurker, and poxfiend L&L parts. The extras I have gotten are on the broker for 10c. (Seriously, what is it with the silly people charging thousands of plat for ANYTHING on Beta?)

Aberrant and immolated might also have L&L, I haven't killed enough yet since the L&L bits started dropping to know. The "Slayer" achievements are for sentient races, though, and aren't necessarily a guide to what gets L&L collections.

Xianthia · 11-13-2015, 05:32 PM

Hmm they seem to be ultra rare drops to you? I've been in beta since day one and only after your post did I actually know there were any new L&Ls Tongue

Maybe they only started dropping recently? So far, drop rate seems abysmal. Off I go to slaughter stuffs! Smile

Kaitheel · 11-13-2015, 05:41 PM

Correct. They started dropping on Beta yesterday.

~ Kaitheel

Xianthia · 11-13-2015, 05:44 PM

Ok, thanks! phew, was already "stressing" about drop rates Tongue

Chrol · 11-13-2015, 06:19 PM

Swimming For Shrooms update - Quest will apply a spell called "An Eye For Mushrooms" which tracks the number of mushroom caps you have in your inventory (displayed in increments). It also grants fish vision so hopefully the mushroom caps will be a bit more visible underwater. The spell will display in your detrimental spell effects window.

11-14-2015, 02:50 AM

I tried the quest Crate Courier on a new toon, and died. I decided to stop at that point and get dinner, camped to desktop, etc. When I came back, some while later, this is what's now showing:

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11-14-2015, 04:02 AM

I really wish there was some way to negotiate a mutually beneficial treaty between the Ironblood Myconids and the Maldurans.

Kaitheel · 11-14-2015, 06:16 AM

"As chief negotiator, I speak for all of Maldura when I mourn the regrettable loss of the Myconid young. We share your pain. [He reaches into a box and eats an Ironblood mushroom.] Mmm. [chewing] If we could undo the damage-- [He eats some more.] These would be great with quack-a-mole."
"Stop eating our young! And it's pronounced guacamole!"

Chrol · 11-14-2015, 06:50 AM

Kaitheel's been drinking.

Kuulei · 11-14-2015, 06:55 AM

mead and mushrooms go so well together...

11-14-2015, 07:14 AM

Quest: Swimming for Shrooms.The increments do show the number of shrooms, and having the water cleared up helped with visibility. However, the displayed text shown below needs to be tweaked.... we're conditioned to expect (0/10) to be an incrementing count. I'd suggest:

"Collect 10 mushrooms from The Silent Deep before they dissolve, then return them to the empty cart."

I'm doing this round of quests on my paladin, and she flat doesn't have enough DPS to get the shrooms collected due to having to fight the pop-up shrooms. I bet one of my conjy clones could manage now. Would you consider adding 60 seconds to the timer and making it 5 minutes instead of 4?

11-14-2015, 07:28 AM

I dunno. I some days think Swift's ideas of eating some babies would be beneficial to us as a race. That 2 year old hanging on her mother's arm throwing the whing-ding tantrum in the grocery store line, she'd make a great roast, I just know it.

Are the myconid sentient very young? I mean, Verna had me over there kicking over shrooms gone bad. I don't really believe they're sentient until they start walking around. Maybe Maldura could trade composted waste from the water treatment plant for culled, unpromising sprouts?

And I want mine deep fried, with remolaude.

11-14-2015, 09:03 AM

Doing Verna Amanita's quests at the Abandoned Fungus Farm is a lot different on my paladin that it was on my three run-throughs on my triply-copied conjy. I did the whole set of repeat quests.

The cepholex numbers seem pretty good, I was competing with at least three other people/groups for them and I got through the 10 Still Thin Around the Gills repeats with no real delays. The Lore and Legend: Cepholex drops seemed a bit low: I killed 66 or so for the questline, plus the ones I blundered into, so maybe 80? I have all but the tail, and only one extra piece beyond the ones I consumed.

The numbers of rancid spores for Still a Fun Guy are perfect. I always had enough to progress at a good clip through the quests.

More Briny Shell Smell was a problem. On the conjy, I could just go out with my pet and merc and blow the umbrine terrors away. Not so much on my paladin. I was getting slaughtered by blundering into schools of young deep rippers (typo confirmed fixed there!). The umbrine terrors were being snatched up by high-DPS types, and it was taking me forever to kill them (okay, I checked my logs, I was averaging 60 seconds per umbrine terror). I suspect that a few more of the umbrine ripper would be helpful, or maybe have them be just 103 instead of 103^? Or mix in a few groups of three linked non-heroic 103s?

For More Spore Sport, I think there may need to be either more spores or a faster repop rate. Tonight I'm competing with a couple of groups for these, and here just seem to be slightly too few. I need 8 for each repetition, so 80 just for me, over the course of ten trips.

Even Oozier Food is satisfied by a giant bay full of oozes.

Elowith · 11-14-2015, 02:26 PM

Poxfiend L&L - the quest wants you to study poxfiend fangs; I have over a dozen looted that are not marked L&L components. If there are two types of fangs, perhaps one should be renamed.

11-14-2015, 05:17 PM

It's confusing, because there are collections of bodyparts acquired via fishing that have similar names.

Kaitheel · 11-15-2015, 03:44 AM

I've submitted a fix to resolve that confusion. The poxfiend L&L item will now be a horn, instead of a fang.

~ Kaitheel

11-15-2015, 09:30 AM

ok i completed the sig quest the 27 overland quests and the 11 quests inside maldura got the box on the screen saying i had got the beta reward,went to live as before on other char and no reward in claim sent petition in waited 3 days for any update nothing so logged back onto beta found a quest had disappeared from my quest journal defensive measures which was also part of the sigline so had done before,went and picked up again and completed, still no sign of beta reward on live

Kuulei · 11-15-2015, 10:30 AM

There is only a beta reward you can /claim on live (beta tab NOT veteran or other tabs) for completing the Malduran (11) and Thalumbra (27). There is nothing to claim on live for the signature line. Also are you claiming the reward on the same account?

11-15-2015, 03:47 PM

yes i am claiming on same account different toon though as everyone else who has done on multiple toons same account has got the beta reward each toon

11-15-2015, 04:59 PM

Quest:Fury Road
I was in a group and i started attacking the fury and talked him him, then my channeler did the same thing. Only thing i nocited was that i saw 3 Fury's at the same time. 2 on the floor and 1 standing and all 3 with a quest update flag above there head.

11-15-2015, 07:29 PM

Quest: Rite of Growth. The ooyogs are non-aggro and not attackable. Plus they're browsing leaves in the trees. This is blocking progress on this quest.

EDIT: This ooyog is at (-449.81, 216.22, 331.02), another's at (-433.62, 201.77, 249.53), with two more in the pond at (-483.23, 186.16, 75.42). I just spotted an aggro one in the Stygian Threshold area, and I've found more in Luminous Peaks.

[IMG]

11-16-2015, 01:23 AM

Quest: Maldura Hath a Fury. I am able to pick up ore gorgelets from other people slaying crag gorgers in Stoneheart Yards. Was this intended? I have 5/12 so far and haven't killed one gorger myself.

Gelenor · 11-16-2015, 12:53 PM

1) Zou'Lidelas faction, maxed to 50k and despite being told by Zou'Lidelas npc's like Lamari that "I heard the news! You found Tylwyth Alwenielle!" Tylwyth is not appearing in her hut. So unlike the schroom faction, no follow-up quest(s) available.

2) Who is Priest/Priestess of Brell in the middle of map that you can track but cannot get to?

3) The "map" collection in Contested zone is not functioning as a collection, cannot scribe them.

Gelenor - VVV - Halls of Horrible Server Name.

11-13-2015, 04:47 PM	#212
Chrol Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “I finally, barely, managed to actually complete Swimming for Shrooms just now. The shrooms are still very hard to see. If they can't be made bigger, or higher contrast, maybe put more of them out there? Also, it's just purely sadistic to put a school of young flesh rippers right at the natural point where one would jump into the water from the abandoned cart. Less geared or lower DPS folks might have a problem with those. EDIT: I turned in the mushrooms and got my reward: (1447381528)[Thu Nov 12 20:25:28 2015] You receive 1 Platinum, 53 Gold, 9 Silver for completing Swimming For Shrooms. Then I went and ran all over Thalumbra with Tyshgwyn hunting aberrants. Then, finally, just as I arrived at the gates of Maldura I got these messages: (1447382120)[Thu Nov 12 20:35:20 2015] #FFFF00The crate falls apart! (1447382120)[Thu Nov 12 20:35:20 2015] #FFFF00Oh no! You couldn't save all the mushroom caps before they dissolved! I'd done the crate quest not quite an hour earlier: (1447379350)[Thu Nov 12 19:49:10 2015] #F781F3Deliver the crate to the platform above before it falls apart! Edit 2: This quest should run a counter, much like the seagull and truffle hunt quests in AoM. The quest text showing in the journal has a 0/10, but never increments it. To know how many shrooms I've picked up, I drag one to a hotbar so I can see the number of them.” Very strange that you'd receive those failure messages after already completing those quests. And the time you received them doesn't add up. I'll take a look at them. I'll also see about editing the messaging on Swimming For Shrooms so it's easier to keep track of how many you collected. The quest is different than Seagull Slaying and The Great Truffle Hunt in that it has two steps within one part, whereas the latter two have just one step for each (kill seagulls and collect truffles, respectively).

11-13-2015, 05:11 PM	#213
Kaitheel Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “Quest: Lore and Legend: Poxfiend is level 80 instead of level 100. Is that intentional?” Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “Quest: Lore and Legend: Cepholex is level 80 instead of level 100. Is that intentional?” Nope! Thank you. ~ Kaitheel

11-13-2015, 05:13 PM	#214
Kaitheel Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “Quest: Culling the Time Away. Before I spend a lot of time repeating this quest... (does math)... 51 more times to get my Zou'Lidelas faction to 40K, is there any point in doing so for Beta?” No, there is not. Thank you for your diligence though! ~ Kaitheel

11-13-2015, 05:22 PM	#216
Kaitheel Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Mogrim said: ↑ “Kaitheel - for those who want to be Diligent on that specific quest, could you have some sort of title fun for those who DO decide to pound their head into the wall? ” Not for Beta. ~ Kaitheel

11-13-2015, 05:28 PM	#218
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Xianthia said: ↑ “Are the lore and legend items like prior ones, drops from mobs? I've killed over 150 cepholex today and have not looted any L&L items. I've not looked at the slayer numbers for the rest of the L&Ls that Sigrdrifa has listed, but I've not looted any for them either.” So far, I have found cephoplex, fathomlurker, and poxfiend L&L parts. The extras I have gotten are on the broker for 10c. (Seriously, what is it with the silly people charging thousands of plat for ANYTHING on Beta?) Aberrant and immolated might also have L&L, I haven't killed enough yet since the L&L bits started dropping to know. The "Slayer" achievements are for sentient races, though, and aren't necessarily a guide to what gets L&L collections.

11-13-2015, 07:23 AM	#211
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Quest: Lore and Legend: Cepholex is level 80 instead of level 100. Is that intentional?

11-13-2015, 05:21 PM	#215
Mogrim Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 1	Kaitheel - for those who want to be Diligent on that specific quest, could you have some sort of title fun for those who DO decide to pound their head into the wall?

11-13-2015, 05:23 PM	#217
Xianthia Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Are the lore and legend items like prior ones, drops from mobs? I've killed over 150 cepholex today and have not looted any L&L items. I've not looked at the slayer numbers for the rest of the L&Ls that Sigrdrifa has listed, but I've not looted any for them either.

11-13-2015, 05:32 PM	#219
Xianthia Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “So far, I have found cephoplex, fathomlurker, and poxfiend L&L parts. The extras I have gotten are on the broker for 10c. (Seriously, what is it with the silly people charging thousands of plat for ANYTHING on Beta?) Aberrant and immolated might also have L&L, I haven't killed enough yet since the L&L bits started dropping to know. The "Slayer" achievements are for sentient races, though, and aren't necessarily a guide to what gets L&L collections.” Hmm they seem to be ultra rare drops to you? I've been in beta since day one and only after your post did I actually know there were any new L&Ls Maybe they only started dropping recently? So far, drop rate seems abysmal. Off I go to slaughter stuffs!

11-13-2015, 05:41 PM	#220
Kaitheel Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Xianthia said: ↑ “Maybe they only started dropping recently?” Correct. They started dropping on Beta yesterday. ~ Kaitheel

11-13-2015, 05:44 PM	#221
Xianthia Active Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Kaitheel said: ↑ “Correct. They started dropping on Beta yesterday. ~ Kaitheel” Ok, thanks! phew, was already "stressing" about drop rates

11-13-2015, 06:19 PM	#222
Chrol Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Swimming For Shrooms update - Quest will apply a spell called "An Eye For Mushrooms" which tracks the number of mushroom caps you have in your inventory (displayed in increments). It also grants fish vision so hopefully the mushroom caps will be a bit more visible underwater. The spell will display in your detrimental spell effects window.

11-14-2015, 02:50 AM	#223
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	I tried the quest Crate Courier on a new toon, and died. I decided to stop at that point and get dinner, camped to desktop, etc. When I came back, some while later, this is what's now showing:

11-14-2015, 04:02 AM	#224
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	I really wish there was some way to negotiate a mutually beneficial treaty between the Ironblood Myconids and the Maldurans.

11-14-2015, 06:16 AM	#225
Kaitheel Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “I really wish there was some way to negotiate a mutually beneficial treaty between the Ironblood Myconids and the Maldurans.” "As chief negotiator, I speak for all of Maldura when I mourn the regrettable loss of the Myconid young. We share your pain. [He reaches into a box and eats an Ironblood mushroom.] Mmm. [chewing] If we could undo the damage-- [He eats some more.] These would be great with quack-a-mole." "Stop eating our young! And it's pronounced guacamole!"

11-14-2015, 06:50 AM	#226
Chrol Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Kaitheel's been drinking.

11-14-2015, 06:55 AM	#227
Kuulei Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Chrol said: ↑ “Kaitheel's been drinking.” mead and mushrooms go so well together...

11-14-2015, 07:14 AM	#228
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Quest: Swimming for Shrooms.The increments do show the number of shrooms, and having the water cleared up helped with visibility. However, the displayed text shown below needs to be tweaked.... we're conditioned to expect (0/10) to be an incrementing count. I'd suggest: "Collect 10 mushrooms from The Silent Deep before they dissolve, then return them to the empty cart." I'm doing this round of quests on my paladin, and she flat doesn't have enough DPS to get the shrooms collected due to having to fight the pop-up shrooms. I bet one of my conjy clones could manage now. Would you consider adding 60 seconds to the timer and making it 5 minutes instead of 4?

11-14-2015, 07:28 AM	#229
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Kaitheel said: ↑ “"As chief negotiator, I speak for all of Maldura when I mourn the regrettable loss of the Myconid young. We share your pain. [He reaches into a box and eats an Ironblood mushroom.] Mmm. [chewing] If we could undo the damage-- [He eats some more.] These would be great with quack-a-mole." "Stop eating our young! And it's pronounced guacamole!"” I dunno. I some days think Swift's ideas of eating some babies would be beneficial to us as a race. That 2 year old hanging on her mother's arm throwing the whing-ding tantrum in the grocery store line, she'd make a great roast, I just know it. Are the myconid sentient very young? I mean, Verna had me over there kicking over shrooms gone bad. I don't really believe they're sentient until they start walking around. Maybe Maldura could trade composted waste from the water treatment plant for culled, unpromising sprouts? And I want mine deep fried, with remolaude.

11-14-2015, 09:03 AM	#230
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Doing Verna Amanita's quests at the Abandoned Fungus Farm is a lot different on my paladin that it was on my three run-throughs on my triply-copied conjy. I did the whole set of repeat quests. The cepholex numbers seem pretty good, I was competing with at least three other people/groups for them and I got through the 10 Still Thin Around the Gills repeats with no real delays. The Lore and Legend: Cepholex drops seemed a bit low: I killed 66 or so for the questline, plus the ones I blundered into, so maybe 80? I have all but the tail, and only one extra piece beyond the ones I consumed. The numbers of rancid spores for Still a Fun Guy are perfect. I always had enough to progress at a good clip through the quests. More Briny Shell Smell was a problem. On the conjy, I could just go out with my pet and merc and blow the umbrine terrors away. Not so much on my paladin. I was getting slaughtered by blundering into schools of young deep rippers (typo confirmed fixed there!). The umbrine terrors were being snatched up by high-DPS types, and it was taking me forever to kill them (okay, I checked my logs, I was averaging 60 seconds per umbrine terror). I suspect that a few more of the umbrine ripper would be helpful, or maybe have them be just 103 instead of 103^? Or mix in a few groups of three linked non-heroic 103s? For More Spore Sport, I think there may need to be either more spores or a faster repop rate. Tonight I'm competing with a couple of groups for these, and here just seem to be slightly too few. I need 8 for each repetition, so 80 just for me, over the course of ten trips. Even Oozier Food is satisfied by a giant bay full of oozes.

11-14-2015, 02:26 PM	#231
Elowith Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Poxfiend L&L - the quest wants you to study poxfiend fangs; I have over a dozen looted that are not marked L&L components. If there are two types of fangs, perhaps one should be renamed.

11-14-2015, 05:17 PM	#232
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Elowith said: ↑ “Poxfiend L&L - the quest wants you to study poxfiend fangs; I have over a dozen looted that are not marked L&L components. If there are two types of fangs, perhaps one should be renamed.” It's confusing, because there are collections of bodyparts acquired via fishing that have similar names.

11-15-2015, 03:44 AM	#233
Kaitheel Developer Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	Sigrdrifa said: ↑ “It's confusing, because there are collections of bodyparts acquired via fishing that have similar names.” I've submitted a fix to resolve that confusion. The poxfiend L&L item will now be a horn, instead of a fang. ~ Kaitheel

11-15-2015, 09:30 AM	#234
woolfman3000 New Member Posts: n/a	ok i completed the sig quest the 27 overland quests and the 11 quests inside maldura got the box on the screen saying i had got the beta reward,went to live as before on other char and no reward in claim sent petition in waited 3 days for any update nothing so logged back onto beta found a quest had disappeared from my quest journal defensive measures which was also part of the sigline so had done before,went and picked up again and completed, still no sign of beta reward on live

11-15-2015, 10:30 AM	#235
Kuulei Well-Known Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	woolfman3000 said: ↑ “ok i completed the sig quest the 27 overland quests and the 11 quests inside maldura got the box on the screen saying i had got the beta reward,went to live as before on other char and no reward in claim sent petition in waited 3 days for any update nothing so logged back onto beta found a quest had disappeared from my quest journal defensive measures which was also part of the sigline so had done before,went and picked up again and completed, still no sign of beta reward on live” There is only a beta reward you can /claim on live (beta tab NOT veteran or other tabs) for completing the Malduran (11) and Thalumbra (27). There is nothing to claim on live for the signature line. Also are you claiming the reward on the same account?

11-15-2015, 03:47 PM	#236
woolfman3000 New Member Posts: n/a	yes i am claiming on same account different toon though as everyone else who has done on multiple toons same account has got the beta reward each toon

11-15-2015, 04:59 PM	#237
Chillispike Member Posts: n/a	Quest:Fury Road I was in a group and i started attacking the fury and talked him him, then my channeler did the same thing. Only thing i nocited was that i saw 3 Fury's at the same time. 2 on the floor and 1 standing and all 3 with a quest update flag above there head.

11-15-2015, 07:29 PM	#238
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Quest: Rite of Growth. The ooyogs are non-aggro and not attackable. Plus they're browsing leaves in the trees. This is blocking progress on this quest. EDIT: This ooyog is at (-449.81, 216.22, 331.02), another's at (-433.62, 201.77, 249.53), with two more in the pond at (-483.23, 186.16, 75.42). I just spotted an aggro one in the Stygian Threshold area, and I've found more in Luminous Peaks.

11-16-2015, 01:23 AM	#239
Sigrdrifa Well-Known Member Posts: n/a	Quest: Maldura Hath a Fury. I am able to pick up ore gorgelets from other people slaying crag gorgers in Stoneheart Yards. Was this intended? I have 5/12 so far and haven't killed one gorger myself.

11-16-2015, 12:53 PM	#240
Gelenor Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 0	1) Zou'Lidelas faction, maxed to 50k and despite being told by Zou'Lidelas npc's like Lamari that "I heard the news! You found Tylwyth Alwenielle!" Tylwyth is not appearing in her hut. So unlike the schroom faction, no follow-up quest(s) available. 2) Who is Priest/Priestess of Brell in the middle of map that you can track but cannot get to? 3) The "map" collection in Contested zone is not functioning as a collection, cannot scribe them. Gelenor - VVV - Halls of Horrible Server Name.